Aren't we obsessed with SUVs?

A few recent comments on OzB got me thinking about what we see on our roads lately.. Even the narrow or single lane roads are usually full of giant SUVs and a handful of hatchbacks and sedans 'hidden' amidst them. This is fast becoming more common as car companies want us to buy bigger, more expensive cars. I am not sure if anyone else feels this but in my eyes, SUVs are inherently uglier (as f***!) than sedans and hatchbacks.. too bulky and heavy for my personal liking, especially considering our roads (case of the American roads could be arguably different). No matter which brand and how expensive really, they just don't look as attractive.

Also, I never understood why small families in our country (even in major cities) opt for less cost-effective, uglier and more expensive SUVs vs much nicer looking, cheaper and more cost-effective sedans or hatchbacks. Parking lots in Australia aren't even made for SUVs at the most places - sedans barely fit there. Not that everyone goes to camping every other weekend or all SUV owners need to fit in prams either. For a couple with no kids or a family with one kid, sedans (if not hatch) are perfect and so much better looking, ay! I was in Europe in last holidays and I didn't notice that many SUVs there. Beautiful hatchbacks and sedans on the roads was quite refreshing, honestly.. compared to our increasingly congested roads where all you see around you is giant SUVs driving past, all looking quite similar. Btw, I have owned SUV in the past for extended family needs and now own a hatch which I love driving around. If I don't have more space requirement, I would prefer hatch any day even for daily commuting or even reasonably long distance driving; so much easier to deal with driving and parking in our busy urban areas.

What do you all think?

Comments

  • +5

    Car dependency has been a disaster for urban planning, not to mention the impact of minimum parking requirements, some on-street parking and overall emissions. SUVs have only made it worse - while car safety has improved dramatically over the years, SUVs are still more prone to causing accidents and with much greater severity. Cars are designed to be "compatible" with eachother when they crash too, an SUV running into a smaller car is much more dangerous.

    All for what? 80% of SUV owners don't actually need the extra space, in fact, much of the time there is very little "extra space" to be had over a sedan/hatchback - they're usually worse than a traditional safer wagon design! Almost everyone driving around in cars are doing so with only 1-2 people in them. It's a travesty caused by automakers trying to push SUVs and consumers basically just liking their aesthetic value or fooling themselves into thinking they're safer or need extra space. That's not to say SUVs don't have their place in their market, they're a perfectly valid fit for many but they're utterly dominating new car sales!

    Everyone feels the increase in congestion over the years, we only have to look overseas to see what happens to every major city or suburban hub over time: congestion. Congestion, congestion, congestion. So many people are losing hours of their workday stuck in their traffic, exasperated by suburban sprawl and housing prices. Every hour in traffic is an hour you're not working, an hour away from family/friends, away from your hobbies, away for sleep, etc. And we're just blindly moving forward with this losing strategy like the rest of the world! SUVs aren't the cause but they're certainly part of the problem.

    If you think traffic is bad now wait another 10-20 years, most Australians are still blissfully unaware of how much worse it can get.

    • +3

      Strange of you to write all of that and not mention mass immigration.
      Suburbs were designed to handle 2 cars per house. When you suddenly have blocks halve in size, then have twice as many adults per house (due to immigration, and the fact houses are so expensive that children can't afford to move into their own home) that's when you have cars everywhere.

    • -1

      All for what? 80% of SUV owners don't actually need the extra space,

      Another one that thinks they know what other people want or need.

      How about you look after yourself and allow others to do the same.

  • If I was to buy a car these days, i'd want a bigger car as it would be something I could sleep in and use to "bugout" in an emergency.

    • +1

      Get a van. SUV's are shit to sleep in.

  • +1

    Sedan guy all the way over here, then again I don't have the need for the groceries, pram and multiple rugrats in the back.

  • +3

    Don't really care about SUVs and the arguments about carrying kids, we manage a couple kids in a Golf quite happily, but we're in the city most the time.

    My main concern with SUVs is that they're far more likely to kill if they ever hit a pedestrian. The death rates are insane compared to normal height cars.

    I do find it odd though that almost nobody thinks about, or mentions this.

    • +1

      Anecdotally, I also find that SUV drivers tend to be more careless and haphazard compared to a lot of other car drivers.

      • I've read a US study that backed that up, haven't been able to find the link again though. It was more to do with the A pillars creating larger blind spots than other cars, so there was a significant increase in collisions with pedestrians during turning.

    • -1

      What's more dangerous for pedestrians (or other cars for that matter)

      A gas powered SUV or an electric car that makes no (very little) noise, weighs significantly more and whose battery has a tendency to explode in an accident/collision?

      • +1

        Haven't seen any studies, but I would suspect that it depends on if the EV has a high, wall-like front end.

        Pedestrians don't get hit because they don't hear cars, they get hit because drivers don't see them.

        whose battery has a tendency to explode in an accident/collision?

        When's the last time there was a report of an EV exploding because it hit a pedestrian?

        • +1

          Pedestrians don't get hit because they don't hear cars, they get hit because drivers don't see them.

          You've under that rock way too long.

          https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/police-warning-for-distr…

          "Unfortunately we're seeing an increase in distraction with those on pushbikes, pedestrians using mobile phones, and in particular people wearing headsets whose auditory and cognitive ability and awareness are somewhat distracted."

          • @CurlCurl: Reminds me of that bicyclist that came up behind/alongside my blind spot and then shot in front of me, narrowly escaping going under my front driver's side wheel, I was really lucky I didn't run him over, some people are just incredibly stupid (or have very low survival instincts).

            • -2

              @Ultimate Gattai: @Ultimate Gattai aren't you responsible for checking your own blind spots?

              • @Bogusjimmy: I'm slowly moving into a car park and another driver almost hit the same rider as we're navigating around each other, there's no way you would have seen him nor reacted in time at the speed he was traveling at and with how tightly he hugged alongside my car. It was just sheer stupidity on the rider's part, he almost won the Darwin award that day (you don't willingly jump in front of a train or bus at the last second do you?).

  • +1

    people buy them because they are dumb, they see other dumb people buy them and follow suit.

    • And you have the award for the dumbest comment! Well done you!

    • people buy them because they are dumb, they see other dumb people buy them and follow suit.

      Welcome Dumb and Dumber.

  • I'm a big guy and need a big car!
    I feel safer and roomier with my SUV. Please note it is not a ute.

  • How did we all cope before the SUV? Maybe no one had a car that complimented their lifestyle and we werent able to self-actualise?

    • How did we all cope before the automobile. Maybe people just had a horse and cart that complimented their lifestyle.

      • At least the horse and cart had a nice tall seat height for a good view.

  • I always hated SUVs because it's so hard to see around them on the road or in parking lots, in smaller cars, you have to peak out quite far to see around them. I also don't get why most people have them in towns and cities when they just drive to/from work and drop Jenny/joe to/from school. Also, try watching some of these people trying to maneuver these things in a parking lot, lots of very slow, wide arcs in tight parking lots, makes me nervous watching them.

    The other day, I saw one of those massive American sized giant SUVs towing a camper van, it was so surreal because of how huge it bloody was, there's no way that thing would fit in a standard parking space even if it didn't have the camper van (it also dwarfed other cars). I also suspect SUV drivers tend to be more careless, especially when they have bull bars fitted, nothing like driving behind one and watching a kangaroo hop alongside the road until it inevitably jumps in front of the SUV driver who didn't slow down or stop despite having plenty of time to. It also looks really violent when you see the poor kangaroo snap it's neck and left twitching on the road.

    I really don't like SUVs on the road personally.

  • +2

    Why not just go with understanding that people buy what works best for them, their lifestyle and the budget. suv's provide more "car" for a similar price :)

    Also, car makers make more of what’s in demand and if people keep buying suvs they will make more of them.

    • suv's provide more "car" for a similar price :)

      They are more expensive than the equivalent car.
      Kona$ 30,600
      I30 $26,290

      Ands it not really more car, its the same car with different styling and slightly taller suspension.

      • These 2 aren’t really a fair comparison imo as they both are similar in size. Try with something like a tiguan vs passat with respect to space inside and other factors. (i did get a feel for both when i was in the market 2 years ago and sedans felt really claustrophobic compared to a suv)

        Sedans definitely provide better driving experience with low center of gravity and stability wise.

        • The VW are interesting because they are all based on the same MBQ platform. Even though built on the same platform the cars/SUVs can vary wildly. So you aren’t really comparing similar sized vehicles despite being on the same platform.

    • Why not just go with understanding that people buy what works best for them, their lifestyle and the budget. suv's provide more "car" for a similar price :)

      First time I've seen anyone consider $/kg value on a car purchase!

    • -3

      People dont buy what's best for them…they buy what everyone else is buying. It's called the herd mentality.

      • You would be very much wrong in that department.

  • +2

    These Stupid Trucks are Literally Killing Us
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN7mSXMruEo

    From the US but same issues apply here.
    Also, the Dodge Ram, Chevrolet Silvarado and Ford F1500 are all available in Australia.

    7 of the top 10 selling cars in Australia to date have been SUVs.
    https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/top-10-best-selling-cars-au…

  • -3

    Def. prefer SUV, the bigger the better as safer in a crash.

    Also better able to deal with crap roads e.g. potholes and traffic "calming".

    • +1

      Safer for who?

      I worry about their propensity to flip even in little fender benders.

      • Not really a problem with upcoming ev as its all full on bottom heavy.

  • +4

    I wanted an SUV so I can see over the SUV in front of me.

    • Lol this is gold.

      Reminds me of the local advertisements of apartments in my city. "Highest one in the city", then another one is being built in front of it which is higher. Blocking the view to the ocean, so another one comes up. The first one in blocked the view of everyone behind it anyway so they're all in the same boat.

    • +1

      Did it come with a periscope?

  • +4

    SUV doesn't necessarily mean huge car. 50% of SUVs are just hatch backs with bigger tyres
    While I currently own a sedan sports car… all of my future vehicles will be SUV or utility.
    Storage space
    Large tyres (for shitty roads that apparently my massive rego, stamp duty and income tax isn't enough to fix)
    Power & handling is equivalent to sedans

    There's definitely an element of people using massive flashy cars as a status symbol, but that has always been there. Ironically, this happens mostly with women when traditionally it was a male space

  • +1

    I've got an SUV because of accessibility issues, it's far easier for me to get in and out of than a sedan. But I've also got a smaller one, other than height it's no larger than my old car.

  • +1

    SUVs and Utes, utes are related to tax incentives (inflated number imo compared to how many jobs require them).

    SUVs are a height thing imo. They're also not gendered in the same way 4x4s are so many families have the "family" car as an SUV.

    Imo the lights on them suck if you're in a smaller car. But regardless they're pretty bad for the environment (use more fuel than equiv sedan) they're heavier and have more wind resistance. More likely to tip over in a crash and take up more physical room in the lane and in car parks.

    Not attacking anyone that owns one. They're super popular.

  • +2

    Large SUVs should definitely be banned from the CBD. Its so dangerous for what is essentially is a truck to be driving next to large numbers of pedestrians.

    • +1

      imaging all tradies arrive at the worksites in tiny little sedans with all their gear

  • +1

    Our current car is our first SUV,

    Wife and I are old and retired so getting in and out of a SUV is a lot easier than a lower to ground vehicle would be.

    Plus our SUV is large enough to be able to take my electric wheelchair in the boot area, even a large sedan would not be praticle to use due to the weight of the wheelchair and vehicle with drop in boot.

    Perfect for our hospital appointments in the city.

    Another reason not to ban SUVs.

  • I am 6'2 100kg, and honestly not even a 'big' human to other people getting around. I am in my mid 30s now, earning decent money and want to upgrade on my hatchback - all I have driven my whole life is a hatchback of some sorts. Why shouldn't I get something I feel more comfortable in? Always back, shoulder and knee pain driving in a small car where the seat doesn't fit me. Like I said I'm not even THAT big.

    Happy to take a suggestion on something that is 'small' but has plenty of body and leg space. But unless there genuinely is something I have missed I might be inclined to take the slight flip over risk with a 4wd and prevent niggles developing into chronic ailments. Genuinely if you have an alternate suggestion do let me know.

    • Toyota Camry, Skoda Octavia, VW Passat, Mazda 6.

      In terms of proper 'small' cars from what I heard the Kia Cerato is the roomiest.

  • +1

    SUV are another American stupidity that we've adopted.

    My wife loves them and we have one but they're rubbish. I just can't seem to change her mind.
    It seems people who don't know much about cars love them.

    Far too heavy, higher maintenance costs, high centre of gravity, terrible handling (Porsche Macan excluded).

    They are categorically not safer vehicles despite the illusions people have about it.

  • +2

    I don't have a huge issue with the current range of SUVs and Utes that are dominating our streets.

    It's the rise of American TRUCKS that I am concerned about. Absolutely monstrous. Ram, Silverado, F1500 and the Canyonero.

  • I like my old Mazda 6, it's about to hit 20 years. But I'm looking at a Subaru outback to replace it.
    I like the height, tall enough that I can sit in it without having to squat and then just slide out without having to climb out of a lower car.
    I hope the height also helps with being blinded by all the poorly adjusted suv headlights.

  • I felt the same but the smaller SUV trend makes sense as my knees get worse with age. I don't like how they feel to drive though. If we want to get onto bizarre trends, why does every bloke who proudly changed their oil that one time own a ute for going to and from their office job? Utes in general really. Awful type of car if you're not carting tools in general, and even then i'd lean more towards a large van personally.

  • +1
    • For family who loading younger kids (newborn to toddler), it make it much easier, saving the pain on the knee, the back and also from banging the head, when kids wrestle and refuse to be buckled up just because they forgot to press the lift button on the way down to carpark.
    • For those with motion sickness, SUV being higher is giving better vantage point which help in reducing the tendency of being sick. Less side by side shake, from passing cars in highway or high wind area, due to SUV mass, also helps.
    • For those who have family abroad who often visit Australia too see their grandkids, where they bring several big luggages + couple boxes of items/delicacy not available here, SUV is a lifesafer!
  • +1

    I drive a Mazda 6. Rented an SUV on a recent holiday to see what all the fuss is about.

    They feel big when driving and they handle like shit. You feel every bump on the road and it makes me feel car sick because its so bumpy. The boot and legroom is not bigger than my sedan. I found no difference in loading my child in or getting into the car.

    It's really interesting to me how many people say they struggle to get into a car. No more difficult than sitting on a kitchen chair.

    Personally I will be sticking to a sedan because they handle so much better and the ride is so much more comfortable, and so much more fuel efficient.

    I think the real reason SUVs are taking over is because the people who buy the NEW cars are older and they don't do enough exercise so they struggle to do something as physically taxing as sitting down.

    The young buyers are buying used cars these days so they don't really get a choice. The entire used car market is basically SUVs at this point.

    • That sounds like an awful SUV experience. Which SUV did you rent?

      I agree with you on fuel efficiency on smaller size car and the handling.

      • It was a 2022 or 2023 Mitsubishi outlander.

    • -2

      No more difficult than sitting on a kitchen chair.

      Well to be fair I'm sure those people sit on high stools at home and their dining table must also be high. I'm sure all their countertops are 1.4 m or 1.5 m high so they don't have to bend down either lol.

      I think the real reason SUVs are taking over is because the people who buy the NEW cars are older and they don't do enough exercise so they struggle to do something as physically taxing as sitting down.

      I agree completely, I was going to make this comment in reply to one of the several going on about how it's hard for them to get in and out of the car. My aunt is in her 60s and extremely fit and spry because she gardens all day long so her mobility is good. If she sat around doing nothing all day I'm sure she'd have the same problem of having a hard time getting in and out of a sedan. People's bodies get worse because they don't use them, it's that simple.

      Although honestly I can't believe it's even an argument, are people so soft these days they can't handle getting in and out of a sedan so need to justify buying a new SUV to help with that?

      • Although honestly I can't believe it's even an argument, are people so soft these days they can't handle getting in and out of a sedan so need to justify buying a new SUV to help with that?

        I think its a minor reason among others. Its a bonus to other stronger reasons such as prestige (people may feel having suv model, which is more expensive than the sedan model of the same brand, give them more prestige). The boot size or the driving power (towing, offroad) would be another stronger reason based on each needs.

        Having said that, if someone have the money and it practically help them better, even just if it is solely for a convenince of climbing up the car then why not? Similar to if someone have the money and they want to pay a bit more for heated seat, then why not? Each to their own.

        In the age of consumerism and digital ads media, people are led to believe that they can have "better" life for having facility that they can access to, where many others cant, by paying a bit more.

    • Not sure you can argue the kitchen chair comment- one is straight down and one is twisting. Also as you get older even chairs can also be a struggle- my parents- mum especially- rarely sit on couches anymore cause they struggle to get up, and my Prius seat would be the same or lower than my couch. But also if you have back, hip, knee etc issues it can be a pain (literally) to bend and twist. At least with a higher car you can sit and swivel.

      Though on the other hand, mum has trouble with cars that are too high cause she can't hoist herself up any more that easily, so they have a small and a .
      mid sized SUV.

      I agree there are more of the larger SUVs around than are probably necessary, but the small SUVs (read tall hatches) have their place.

  • +1

    i had a rich friend at school and whenever his family hosted a party it looked like a Range Rover owners club with all their rich friends parked out the front. life is different when you're rich, less obsession and more like keeping up with joneses, they take it for granted.

  • I get the hate from a car enthusiast standpoint, but I love my midsize SUV as a dad. Spacious, can fit heaps of shit in it, tows well, AWD gets me down beaches and virtually any driveway from hell, as a tall bloke I appreciate the ease of entry and exit and easier time getting kiddo in and out, and yet it still drives 99% like a car instead of a truck like most proper 4x4s. And I got a mildly zippy one (2.0 turbo w/250hp) so it hammers down an overtaking lane too. All while drawing zero attention to myself by virtue of it being a midsize SUV. Great Jack of all trades and of course, master of none.

  • +1

    Wow, so much hate for SUV's in this thread!

    I have a station wagon now (3 kids), and have always had hatchbacks (so much more practical).
    My next family car is definitely going to be a larger SUV. Haters are gunna hate, and that's fine- everyone has their opinions on cars (always have always will), but there's a reason SUV's are the biggest selling segment in Australia right now. Australian's LOVE them!

    They are a terrific compromise/half way point between a proper full size 4WD (which I would never use to it's capability anyway, I'll never use low range, 4WD, locked diff for offroading etc), and a station wagon (which I own now, but is sits far too low, hates potholes, poor towing capacity, and doesn't have good visibility on the road). You can hate me all you like, but you're in the minority. Most larger families are going for SUV's, full stop. Rants here aren't going to change things. Do they handle worse than a car with lower center of gravity? Yes. Are they less aerodynamic? Yes. Do they consume more fuel? Yes. But I still want one- and that's my prerogative.

    I'm just waiting for an EV version to come on the market and I'll snap it up.

    Is it bigger on the road? Yes. But there are benefits to that. Extra mass = extra safety and extra towing capacity. And if I have to pick between increased safety for my loved ones, vs decreased safety to pedestrians too self absorbed to look up from their mobile phones… sorry, the former wins out every time. And that argument about rollovers is rubbish. Most accidents involving fatalities do not involve roll overs. They are head on collisions or T-bones. Physics is physics… a larger SUV is going to win against a punk in a VW golf, and stand a far better chance against your typical Ford Ranger driver. Rant and rave as much as you like… go speak to Newton if you disagree with his laws of motion. ANCAP ratings are per class of vehicle… a 5 star hatch back is safest in its class, but is NOT as safe as a 5 star SUV weighing twice as much.

    Too many lunatics on the road these days. An SUV "tank" WILL be safer than something smaller and lower. You want a Mazda or Toyota sedan? Cool. I think they are ugly as hell. But again, that's personal opinion. You don't like SUV's? Cool. But I do and can't wait to own one!

  • +1

    Wow, so much hate for SUV's in this thread!

    I see more love than hate. Glass more than half full..

  • Sharing my thoughts on SUV. We both have an SUV and hatchback at home. Both have their utilities.

    I like the SUV for the following:
    * My old folks enjoy not needing to crouch down into car when I take them out to shops or for a drive, I would say same with kids
    * I enjoy the wide glasshouse window views (Forester windows are great)
    * Sydney roads are atrocious! With all the building and construction (particularly west and south west), heavy trucks drive on small roads that were never meant for trucks, tearing up the roads and leaving potholes. It's like a war zone. Despite driving carefully, the hatch would scratch the bottom, while SUV can manoeuvre through these easily.
    * Large items, the odd furniture or appliance can easily fit in the SUV unlike the hatch.

  • +1

    We're getting a mid-sized SUV next month. My family is quite tall so getting in and out and being seated comfortably was a major factor in the decision to get one.

    • +1

      It’s all about in many ways the ingress & egress.I would never go back to a ‘normal’ car.They are so much more comfortable.

  • I have owned 8 sedans so far. I like the shape of it and how it handles corners. But I think my next car is gonna be suv (have my eyes on the new Mitsubishi eclipse cross). The one annoying thing is the shit drive way and speed bump everywhere in Australia where it's hard to avoid scraping the front bumper no matter how hard you try and how slow you go. I never even lower my car, but 3 of my cars has a front lip

  • For the mid and large size SUV, I get it. They have their places.
    What I don't get is those small size SUV like CX3. GLA etc

  • Co-incidentally when driving today I was looking at all the cars parked and on road trying to something that wasn't a small SUV (used to be hatchbacks I think). All of them were every single one. No sedans, no larger SUVs it was a bit weird to be honest. I only traveled about 5 km though.

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