Same Work Same Pay Policy

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  lddv04 on 15/06/2023 - 17:08

  +1

  My workplace agreement now has different pay scales for different years experience. So if you start today, whilst you will be on the same grade as an experienced worker, you will be paid less as you don't have the experience.

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  Danno666 on 15/06/2023 - 20:19

  +5

  I saw the ads on YouTube by the minerals council. I worked in Underground Coal mining for 30 years. When I started 95% of employees were employed by the company. Now that same mine has greater than 60% contract labour. These contractors get a lot less money and lesser conditions than full time company employees. Many are casual and afraid to speak up about safety for fear of the sack. Some were given full time jobs but with the contract companies in recent years due to labour shortages. Still on less pay than full time company employees.

  BHP even started its own contracting company paying workers less money for the same job. Many workers have been employed as casual contractor for decades, earning less than the full time guy beside him.

  Same job, same pay I say.

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    us3rnam3tak3n on 16/06/2023 - 00:28

    My experience has been quite different. In WA contractors are almost always on better rates, after taking all staff entitlements into account. Job security is virtually identical - project over, nothing on the books, on your bike.

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      Danno666 on 16/06/2023 - 05:48

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      The jobs I’m talking about are long term ongoing full time positions. Over the years these have been filled with labour hire employees. They do get a casual loading but are on low hourly rates. And don’t get the same production bonuses as full time company employees. Mining is notorious for the dodgy Labour hire companies. Many set up their own sub standard EBAs.
      South 32 at a local mine just kept cycling through labour hire companies getting the cheapest price for labour. It was a race to the bottom.

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        supersabroso on 16/06/2023 - 14:03

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        Can you blame them if people are willing to do your job for less money? If the company is satisfied with their performance and they are satisfied with their pay, then what's the issue?

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    MementoMori on 16/06/2023 - 01:12

    It's interesting because in IT this situation is the opposite.

    If you want to get paid (20%) more you become a temp worker.

    If it's used to get labours cheaper and avoid permanent employment benefits, then I agree, that sucks

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      Danno666 on 16/06/2023 - 05:43

      +1

      Mining contractor workers generally do get a casual worker rate but are on lower hourly rates and don’t receive the same production bonuses as company employees. Contract companies set up shoddy EBAs which are sub standard.

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  Bargain4Days on 15/06/2023 - 20:23

  +4

  Currently in a EBA agreement. If you see who sponsored the advertisement, its a no brainer. Construction/ mining companies are notorious for subbie/ labour hire. Great way to bypass the EBA and responsibilities/ liabilities. Its very common here to in infrastructure NSW, alot of the big companies bypass the ETU EBA by just simply hiring a sub contractor that does not hold an EBA, its a major problem within the construction industry.

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  Something Darkside on 15/06/2023 - 21:39

  +5

  I feel bad for the people abused by certain types of labour hire companies particularly immigrants, those trapped in the poverty/debt cycle. They treat them like cannon fodder.

  Best case is they get made to feel they are expendable, worst case they are victims of modern slavery with wage theft or some 'debt' they need to repay / get exposed to life threatening risks on the job.

  Relevant link on modern slavery and labour hire…https://www.accr.org.au/research/labour-hire-contracting-across-the-asx100/labour-hire-business-operational-and-workforce-risks/

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    tonka on 16/06/2023 - 09:32

    +4

    Not just the labour hire companies but the companies that use them do it deliberately to avoid an employee's entitlements. And they still expect the employee to offer the same loyalty and reliability as a permanent.

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  Hvrd on 16/06/2023 - 09:32

  +1

  I worked for adecco and was getting paid 30% less doing the same job for a government role. I'm now directly employed and am getting paid the same as others that have been there for 5 years and not gone up classification.

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  chiuy on 16/06/2023 - 16:39

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  The idea of "Same work, same pay" like you've got in the title is good and makes sense.
  This "Same job, same pay" policy is over simplistic and will be bad for everyone except slackers who get carried by their workmates.

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    SpainKing on 16/06/2023 - 18:34

    The way I've originally presented it is inaccurate I believe

    The policy is about people getting paid the same amount even if they're sourced from labour hire companies (as opposed to being directly hired and employed by the company)

    From what I've gathered if you're a good worker you can still get a raise or a bonus because you're doing a good job

    A slacker isn't going to be recognised as a productive worker and won't get the opportunities they could otherwise. They wouldn't be the first to get a raise, bonus or keep their job in times of economic hardship either

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