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  mickeyjuiceman on 12/06/2023 - 18:59

  +7

  Was using mine this morning, love them

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  morphio on 12/06/2023 - 19:03

  My pads lasted about 2 years of wearing it every day.

  Have now swapped to lambskin ones which are very nice and soft.

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    qwijibo on 12/06/2023 - 20:11

    Any particular lambskin ones you'd recommend?

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      morphio on 12/06/2023 - 20:26

      +2

      I got these ones https://www.minidisc.com.au/zmf-hd6xx-pads (perforated).

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      Aildaris on 12/06/2023 - 21:50

      +2

      typically people dont recommend aftermarket pads for the HD5— or HD6— line up. From what I've heard almost all of them change the sound signature for the worse.

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        jasswolf on 12/06/2023 - 21:56

        +3

        ZMF 6XX+ Suede are the only ones I've seen consistently recommended outside of the stock pads, because they do little to alter the FR, add a little staging and improve bass texture a smidge.

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    Polska Kielbasa on 12/06/2023 - 22:16

    genuinely wondering how you managed this..? I've had mine3 years using them every day and the pads are still like new, albeit faded in colour.

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      ThatsCheap on 12/06/2023 - 23:34

      +3

      Then you must have forgot how they were when they were new. That's very unlikely.

      Also, unlike the person who swapped to lambskin, I do not recommend the sound changes that third party pads make to all the HD6—- series headphones.

      Highly recommend sticking with the originals for anyone seeing these comments. I have tried many and unless you are aware of the exact acoustic changes made by the pads you are buying and know that those changes are what you will like, then I do not recommend it.

      You can get the official ones directly from Sennheiser cheaper than anywhere else (currently out of stock), I change them every couple of years and I take great care of my HD660S; these past couple of years I only use them few hours a week and I know they're due changing soon.

      https://spares.sennheiser-hearing.com/en-au/catalog/sparepar…

      If you have spare change and end up buying them, do come back and let me know if you still feel the ones you are currently using after 3 years are anywhere near the quality of how they are brand new @Polska Kielbasa

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        Seltox on 13/06/2023 - 09:50

        I've been trying to replace my pads with originals for like 2 years now and have never ever seen them in stock. My headphones are not comfortable at all anymore and it's making me consider just getting a different pair altogether. I wish they at least had a way to be notified when they came in stock because as far as I'm concerned they haven't had any stock for years now.

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          ThatsCheap on 13/06/2023 - 09:58

          +1

          @Seltox: I've seen them come in stock twice and they usually stay there for around a week or so before going off stock, but they are available elsewhere:

          Store DJ where I've also purchased them from before has them for $59:

          https://www.storedj.com.au/sennheiser-hd600-hd650-replacemen…

          Addicted to Audio also used to stock them, probably still do, but they sell them for a higher price.

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            Seltox on 14/06/2023 - 19:46

            @ThatsCheap: Oh thanks for that link. I'm perfectly happy paying $59 for replacements. Have ordered new pads and headband - even if I have to wait for them to come in stock at least they're coming.

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          mudvin on 13/06/2023 - 15:10

          @Seltox: Yeah you have to stalk the senny store, last time they came in stock I stocked up on pads, headbands, extra cables (I shorten them to my prefered length) etc, probably why you couldn't get any.

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  lolsnarfsnarf on 12/06/2023 - 19:27

  Would anyone with experience or expertise be able to chime in if these are a worthy purchase if I have the AKG K712 Pro? I am using a Yamaha AG03 to run the AKG's and Equalizer APO doing its thing.

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    theadeptus1 on 12/06/2023 - 19:36

    -1

    if you're into using headphones with EQ I suggest just EQing to as close to what you personally prefer as possible. You are not going to gain any of the so-called "detail", "resolution", "sound-stage" that reviewers like to harp on about with buying any new set of cans. You can ascertain the sound of a device almost perfectly with just phase+magnitude response graph. If you don't have that, then the next best thing you can do is to play with EQ sliders until you are happy.

    TLDR use your ears and save some money. audiophile space is chock-full of marketing bs.

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      jasswolf on 12/06/2023 - 20:47

      +8

      You can ascertain the sound of a device almost perfectly with just phase+magnitude response graph. If you don't have that, then the next best thing you can do is to play with EQ sliders until you are happy.

      This is not true, and that's because you're almost never listening to individual tones. EQ doesn't fix everything, you can nudge things around but you're beholden to distortion characteristics of the driver performance and enclosure engineering.

      These audiophile terms exist because we can't really measure performance beyond test tones, and anyone who attests otherwise is either ignorant or trying to hoodwink you. It's better than nothing, but it's not everything.

      You can't even target FR curves for a given headphone because the physical characteristics of the headphone and the performance of the driver will have quirks to be considered that you don't want to accentuate. That's just fundamental physics, materials engineering and acoustics.

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        theadeptus1 on 12/06/2023 - 22:49

        -5

        EQ doesn't fix everything, you can nudge things around but you're beholden to distortion characteristics of the driver performance and enclosure engineering.

        Distortion in most modern headphones is insignificant/inaudible.

        These audiophile terms exist because we can't really measure performance beyond test tones, and anyone who attests otherwise is either ignorant or trying to hoodwink you. It's better than nothing, but it's not everything.

        There's no substance in this statement.

        You can't even target FR curves for a given headphone because the physical characteristics of the headphone and the performance of the driver will have quirks to be considered that you don't want to accentuate.

        More true than anything you've said thus far. Over-head headphones are more susceptible to response deviations as compared to in-ears as there is the entire shape of the ear and head to take into account for how the final sound will be perceived.

        That's just fundamental physics, materials engineering and acoustics.

        hiding behind your physics-doctorate daddy?
        Refer to my other comment.

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          jasswolf on 12/06/2023 - 22:57

          +4

          @theadeptus1:

          Distortion in most modern headphones is insignificant/inaudible.

          That's completely inaccurate, particularly in the bass if you're trying to chase Harman sub-bass shelves on an open back.

          There's no substance in this statement.

          Here's Dr. Sean Olive - your personal deity - telling you otherwise.

          More true than anything you've said thus far. Over-head headphones are more susceptible to response deviations as compared to in-ears as there is the entire shape of the ear and head to take into account for how the final sound will be perceived.

          So you'll consider HRTF, but have zero regard for the materials and the production of the sound wave? I'm speechless as to how you can make that logical leap and call yourself learned.

          hiding behind your physics-doctorate daddy?

          Wow, and no. Try leaving the house, and stop bothering people with your pseudoscience.

          EDIT: you negged my post in seconds, without even reading it? Incredible.

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            theadeptus1 on 12/06/2023 - 23:04

            -3

            @jasswolf:

            Here's Dr. Sean Olive - your personal deity - telling you otherwise

            I don't remember having a deity of any kind. If anything my personal deity would be yourself and your highly scientific and based takes on audio science :O

            I'm speechless as to how you can make that logical leap and call yourself learned.

            ha! I never claimed to be learned in this field. Kindly read again, but carefully this time.

            Wow, and no. Leave the house, and stop bothering people with your pseudoscience.

            I'm terribly sorry if I bothered you with my non-scientific reply to your reply!

            EDIT: I negged your post right after reading it. Try again.

            

            theadeptus1 on 12/06/2023 - 23:04 (Collapsed - Offtopic. Show)
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              jasswolf on 12/06/2023 - 23:14

              -5

              @theadeptus1: My page reloaded after posting to show it already had a negative vote registered. You're clearly in an extremely disturbed mood and not thinking clearly, you need to take a break.

              Please don't bother me or anyone else in here again.

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                theadeptus1 on 12/06/2023 - 23:14

                @jasswolf: I think you're the disturbed one here lol, trying to shoo me out and all. I was having a good time chatting with someone else online who might also know something!

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                  jasswolf on 12/06/2023 - 23:31

                  @theadeptus1: Quick check back through your posts suggests you're referring to Sharur, who is widely regarded as a pseudoscientific loon, second only to that bloke who used to scream in his YouTube videos about how BeyerDynamic has the perfect frequency response and every other company is effectively staging a global conspiracy to make you think otherwise because they can't make a competing product for the same or less money. In his defence, he's obviously a distant second.

                  He's regurgitating a lot of info from ASR and wikipedia without really understanding the many reasons why some targets exceed human hearing and perception, which is reasonable considering that most of the staff don't either. There are much better resources on this, but if you're this deep into the Sharur conspiracy hole, you're already aware and are actively ignoring them.

                  FR and phase response matter quite a bit, but they are simply indicators of a competent headphone, they are not the beginning and the end of audio production (subject to HRTF vs individual head & ear shape). I really hope your journey takes a better turn, good luck.

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                    theadeptus1 on 12/06/2023 - 23:35

                    @jasswolf: Wow, you really went in deep didn't you? I don't think I mentioned sharur in this thread at all, or anything that could have related to whatever he has said. Although I don't have an inkling of doubt he covered these topics at some point.
                    Regardless, if you want to resort to reducing the credibility of what I've said in this thread because sHaRUr then you do you lol.

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                      jasswolf on 12/06/2023 - 23:41

                      @theadeptus1: I just went to your profile and checked for audio deals where you commented heavily, it took very little time. Wandered off, then came back and took a quick look to see where that guy's channel is at.

                      Upskill with the video I linked, don't disregard the related channels. There's also previous technical discussions on The Headphone Show that relate to many of the topics that Sharur covers poorly (as does ASR).

                      Anyway, I'm not involving myself in this further, please don't spam the comments section here with this stuff.

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      zeomega on 12/06/2023 - 22:18

      +2

      Try on a pair HD800s as an example of wide soundstage that no EQ or such can ever replicate.

      Then realise how wrong you are with your statement.

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        theadeptus1 on 12/06/2023 - 22:43

        over-exaggeration in particular frequency ranges in the response give the false impression of "sound-stage". sound-stage or "feeling of space" can be given by the formula R = Level of diffuse minus Level of direct sound, where increasing R increases the "feeling of space". In a mimimum phase system such as headphones, the level of diffuse sound (reflected sound) is insignificant, if existent at all. Therefore the feeling of space that loudspeakers in a room can achieve is non-evident in headphones. It's all about the frequency response.
        Don't get me started on treble peak masking on the HD800s.
        Go and read before you call someone wrong.

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          jasswolf on 12/06/2023 - 23:12

          @theadeptus1: You've completely overlooked that the HD 800S heavily angles the driver, and takes a different direction with its HRTF as a result, but again none of this accounts for how a given driver technology and implementation (dampening, enclosure, materials including pads), and how these conduct sound and influence the raw response of the driver.

          You're oversimplifying this, using an approximate head measurement no less. This isn't an absolute process, it's just the most rigourous one we had up until about 5 years ago. Update your knowledge, and do better to understand fundamentally what the measurements are seeking to learn and you'll see where things need to improve.

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          zeomega on 13/06/2023 - 09:19

          @theadeptus1: So what you're saying is you can replicate the HD800s soundstage signature with any headphones?

          Simple question. Yes or No.

          If yes. I'd like to personally listen to one that you have tuned with correction. Where are you based out of, happy to travel interstate for you to prove your point.

          If not it's just gibberish and talking smack, using big words as a misdirect.

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        rumblytangara on 13/06/2023 - 10:46

        -1

        I had the 800 S.

        Wasn't impressed with the supposed soundstage. If you want soundstage, my opinion is don't half arse it and just use speakers.

        I was impressed with the crazy amount of detail of the 800 S though.

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          zeomega on 13/06/2023 - 21:43

          @rumblytangara: Agreed, nothing beats speakers for sound staging. In a properly treated room, you can get 3D surround sound with just 2 speakers.

          However, not everyone has a room dedicated for music and time. When kids are sleeping is when I can enjoy slapping on some Pink Floyd or Yo-Yo Ma.

          HD800s has a unique signature that's not for everybody. I personally love it but don't daily use it as it is too technical to for easy listening.

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            rumblytangara on 14/06/2023 - 11:42

            -1

            @zeomega: Yeah, too detailed for me TBH. I could appreciate them for what they were though, but don't have the inclination to sit and purely listen for hours which is what these really deserve.

            Aahaha, I just realised this little side conversation came off someone who seems to be saying that you can EQ all headphones to be the same.

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      Kinjiru on 13/06/2023 - 11:02

      This is a wild assertion. Sure you can get similar tonality by using EQ, but each headphone responds differently to EQ. You can't just buy a crap headphone and tune it so that it is amazing!

      A very simple way to test this is to purchase a very cheap pair of iems tuned to Harman, and then purchase one of the more highly regarded (and more expensive) iems also tuned to the Harman target. If what you say is true, then you will detect no difference in detail, resolution etc. I mention iems because they are the cheaper way to prove this, and there are quite a few these days that are tuned to Harman, although you could do the same with Headphones.

      My experience is that there is a world of difference between low end and high ($500+) end iems. I will note that diminishing returns occurs after that. You will hear things you have not detected before with the higher end iems.

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      Ryphon on 13/06/2023 - 12:46

      Hahahhaha, oh god, you're serious

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    rosebank on 12/06/2023 - 20:20

    +1

    I have both. Prob not worth it. These have "legendary… vocal timbre" especially female vocals (why is it always female vocals?). AKG has a much wider soundstage. But I'm not an "audiophile" that looks at graphs and shit, I just buy a lot of stuff.

    I wouldn't pay over $300 for these, and they always go on sale.

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      lolsnarfsnarf on 12/06/2023 - 20:25

      Hmm, I paid $340 AU for the AKG's and my Peace looks almost linear, that's how much I like their natural sound. Just getting FOMO over not having a pair of 6XX's that I've been eyeing for the past 3 years. I believe you made up my mind in keeping the AKG's.

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        rosebank on 12/06/2023 - 20:28

        The 6XX is not going away. I think I paid $250 when it was still Massdrop

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          jasswolf on 12/06/2023 - 20:51

          @rosebank: Exchange rate and GST are in effect these days, best case scenario is maybe $295.

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            rosebank on 12/06/2023 - 20:57

            @jasswolf: I can't remember man. Ok $295, I still wouldn't pay over $300 for these.

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          Menzoberranzan on 13/06/2023 - 11:12

          +1

          @rosebank: Can confirm. I got mine off Massdrop years ago when it was newly designed and released. They will be around for a long time

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            rosebank on 13/06/2023 - 11:29

            @Menzoberranzan: They haven't released anything interesting since the Koss electrostatics. Now it's the same shit over and over. But lots of keyboards and keycaps!

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      mudvin on 12/06/2023 - 21:57

      +1

      It's female vocals because these cans are heavily mid bass focused, right where female vocals typically sit.

      Very few open headphones (any) do huge bass, also male vocals tend to work with a wider range of cans, also this ( well really the hd600, but this is close enough, are about the only "neutral" cans on the market.

      Sound stage is a thing (if you are playing fortnite), but really when you are at a concert you could be sitting front row, middle or back. A better way of saying this is wearing these cans is like sitting front row.

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        rosebank on 12/06/2023 - 22:03

        Thank you for the detailed explanation, but I was just taking the piss. These are great when I listen to Taylor Swift on vinyl (much warmer sounding with my tube phono preamp, a lot more intimate too)

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      Sxio on 13/06/2023 - 08:24

      I agree. I had the akg k7xx's and then for a lark also got the hd6xx's.

      What you say was exactly my experience. Even though the AKGs were my first, to me the senny's had a nicer, warmer sound. I sold the AKGs. Kept the HD6xx's and use them almost every day. They're great.

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  AFM7 on 12/06/2023 - 19:33

  Worth it if you have Phillips X2HRs? I'm using the Evo 4 to drive them…

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    Budju on 12/06/2023 - 19:37

    +2

    I reckon you'd want a better headphone amp if you bought these.

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      AFM7 on 12/06/2023 - 19:57

      Yeah fair point. What would you suggest?

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        Budju on 12/06/2023 - 20:08

        I was eyeing a THX headphone amp from drop a while back in combination with the hd6xx's. Ended up deciding it was too much of a cost and stuck with my Phillips X2HR and Topping DX3 Pro. It's possible however that the Topping DX3 Pro could be a good pair with the hd6xx. Others here may be able to advise.

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          qwijibo on 12/06/2023 - 20:18

          @Budju: I'm driving mine with a Topping DX3 Pro. It's plenty good enough, and will drive them to ear-damaging levels of loudness.

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            mit on 12/06/2023 - 21:41

            @qwijibo: Can I get away with a Qudelix 5k? Trying not to get more gear.

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              Budju on 13/06/2023 - 11:15

              @mit: Just check the headphone impedance against what your amp is capable of driving. Also maybe check how efficient the HD6xx to ensure it isn't poor. Some headphones have poor efficiency so impedance isn't the only metric

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        Budju on 13/06/2023 - 11:13

        +1

        I mean to start you'd be fine with your current setup but i just mean you might end up wanting another. It's a costly business this headphone game.

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          AFM7 on 14/06/2023 - 17:51

          @Budju: I agree. I got the Truthears x Crinacle IEM sometime last year. They are fun to listen to but i've had ear problems so trying not to put anything in my ears for now.

          If you had to choose between X2HRs and 6XX (provided you had a good amp to drive both), which would you choose?

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            Budju on 14/06/2023 - 18:10

            +1

            @AFM7: The HD6XX would be the superior headphones, for sure. The X2HR's are nice sounding, but their strength is that you can basically drive them on anything, and they can also be bought quite cheaply. Can be bought for around $180 AUD on Amazon. I think I tested the X2HRs straight out of my phone headphone jack at one point, they seemed to sound completely fine.

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              AFM7 on 14/06/2023 - 20:00

              @Budju: Thanks, it will be an early birthday present!

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      Sxio on 13/06/2023 - 08:26

      +1

      I have them and to me they sound good on almost everything. Including straight from my phone. $18 DAC enhances it a little.

      I DON'T think you need to spend hundreds on amps. But you can if you want.

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    rosebank on 12/06/2023 - 20:20

    +2

    Nah, the Philips are fine

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      dukeGR4 on 13/06/2023 - 07:40

      especially for those contemplating between X2HR and this one right now. Almost DOUBLE the price, i doubt it's even twice as good. i would be surprised if it's even like 25% better

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  BargainHunterJohnnyB on 12/06/2023 - 19:38

  these or HD560s

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    rosebank on 12/06/2023 - 20:24

    I have the OG 580s, if the 560s are similar then not really worth it

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    jasswolf on 12/06/2023 - 20:54

    560S is more studio reference in a way, but they have too much mid-treble, and what improved imaging they have has some slight caveats.

    Wider soundstage, easier to drive, better bass extension. Timbre and detail better on these when driven properly.

    If you're competitive gaming focus, I would say go the HD 560S, otherwise you'll probably prefer the 6XX assuming you plan to buy gear to drive it over time.

• MagnamoniousRex on 12/06/2023 - 19:44 Comment score below threshold.
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    Oztx on 12/06/2023 - 19:48

    +3

    Hard to explain without trying. But there is a difference between sound beaming INTO your ear while enclosed vs AROUND your ear.

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      Sporange on 13/06/2023 - 17:06

      This. this this this this.

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    367 on 12/06/2023 - 19:49

    +6

    They sound a lot better than $200 speakers

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      rumblytangara on 15/06/2023 - 10:01

      ^^^ This.

      $200 speakers will… make sound, I guess.

      $200 open back headphones will give you an idea as to how good music can get. There's stuff that suddenly appears in generic pop music tracks that you simply never hear on cheap speakers.

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    Sporange on 12/06/2023 - 19:55

    +6

    Different tools for different jobs. I work in a mostly quiet space in my home. If there are no other people around me and I don't have to worry about my own noise, I let my speakers go.

    If it's late at night, or I need to listen to something personally, I use my open-back headphones.

    If I'm out in public and need headphones I use my closed back headphones or my wireless ear buds (depending on the context).

    My open-back headphones (Sennheiser HD58X Jubilee) are my favourite pair of headphones to use. They sound absolutely incredible and are so comfy I can wear them for hours without even realizing (they barely even 'leak' sound like you'd think an open-back would so I can also share a space without issue using them.

    I personally hate that pressure you get from noise-cancelling headphones or just the claustrophobic nature of closed-back in general. There are certain use-cases for those functions, but in general I like having as natural a hearing experience as possible and cutting off my hearing to the rest of my environment affects me negatively generally.

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      dukeGR4 on 13/06/2023 - 07:47

      I personally hate that pressure you get from noise-cancelling headphones or just the claustrophobic nature of closed-back in general. There are certain use-cases for those functions, but in general I like having as natural a hearing experience as possible and cutting off my hearing to the rest of my environment affects me negatively generally.

      When was the last time you tried or owned one?

      I have owned Sony XMs, Bose QC35, Airpods, Airpods Pro 2.. that pressure is non-existent these days. It plays like a soft white noise when idle which is also partially cancelled out by the ambient noise. My current car has ANC too and there's no pressure either.

      I had 2 pairs of Bose QC20i, that however had a very strong pressure which took a while to adjust. Out of all my NC headphones, that had the best NC performance.

      i take that you must live in a nice environment lol, because not being cut off from my environment affects me negatively. dogs barking, next-door neighbours pumping trash music, stomping from upstairs, trucks, cars etc…

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        Sporange on 13/06/2023 - 17:22

        I used to have a pair of Bose wireless NC headphones maybe like 5 years ago, and I currently use a pair of soundcore a40 wireless buds for my 'noise cancelling' needs. The old Bose sounded nice, but the noise cancellation would just do my head in. I have a bit of tinnitus from audio work / gigs / unsafe listening practices over the years, and feel I'm very sensitive to pressures and sounds in my hears. The white noise sound tends to just add to the cacophony for me, and the pressure just made them impossible to bear for more than a few minutes.
        I own two yappy dogs, so barking doesn't bother me much, nor do environmental sounds, I just personally value having as full range of hearing available to me as possible (important when living in a shitty neighbourhood too lol). The neighbours being so overbearing I've needed noise cancelling headphones on has come up maybe once in my life lol.

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    doobey1231 on 13/06/2023 - 08:22

    My home where I use these is pretty quiet most of the time, I also have sound deadening on the walls too. But I buy them mainly because I don't like the feeling that you can get from wearing closed or ANC headphones. These don't change the pressure around your ear which for some can be quite discomforting.

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  arst on 12/06/2023 - 19:53

  Do I need an amp? If I use it to watch anime? I currently have my 12 years old HD 598.

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    vaskothefrog on 12/06/2023 - 20:05

    Likely not

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    tabz on 12/06/2023 - 20:07

    I think you'd need an amp. The impedance of the the 6XX is 300ohm so needs a bit of power to drive them.

    Looks like the HD 58X Jubilee's are also on sale and are only 150ohm which you could drive easily without an amp.

    edit: Did a quick search online and seems like others have used the 6XX without an amp without issues. You'd probably get the most out of these headphones with an amp though.

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      rumblytangara on 12/06/2023 - 20:20

      +3

      To watch anime though?

      I think not.

      I have the 6xx, the 58X, a slew of other headphones and have owned half a dozen amps ranging from cheep an cheerful internet FOTM to out of production unobanium amps.

      I have a 6XX attached to the PC just for casual gaming and Youtube. I do not have the urge to attach any of my amps to it for this.

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        Agret on 13/06/2023 - 01:08

        Some anime have really amazing soundtracks, depends what he watches and at what volume and background environment for if an amp is warranted. I use my headphones with a PC and the motherboard already has headphone amp as part of the chipset and I don't have any problem with 350ohm headphones.

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          rumblytangara on 13/06/2023 - 12:53

          @Agret: Yes, some anime has great soundtracks, but my point (which I didn't expand on) was that someone watching a screen is less likely to be doing critical listening for audio quality at the same time.

          I only notice the strengths and flaws of my audio gear when I am doing pure listening.

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      Pacify on 12/06/2023 - 20:44

      I can run them from my pc, they aren't anywhere as loud or as good than through my thx 789, but perfectly listenable

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    allegiance86 on 12/06/2023 - 20:16

    In my experience yes you do. My PC couldn't drive them well, too quiet

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    Dumb Dog on 12/06/2023 - 20:18

    Apple dongle should be fine depending on what volume you are normally comfortable with. If you know you usually kill your ears, then you will likely need an amp.

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    jasswolf on 12/06/2023 - 20:28

    You should be able to get it to a decent volume, but amp will help control mid-bass so it sounds clean without boom, and to bring back the upper treble extension of the headphone.

    This is due to the variable impedance of this headphone, necessitating not just extra voltage at these points, but well controlled swings in that voltage.

    But for that exact use case? You wouldn't notice it most of the time, and you can buy that down the line.

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    rosebank on 12/06/2023 - 20:31

    +2

    I think your 598s are fine for watching anime

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    doobey1231 on 13/06/2023 - 08:23

    Yeah if you want to achieve the full range of these headphones an amp is preferable, however they will work without.

• mogley on 12/06/2023 - 19:57 Comment score below threshold.
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    Sxio on 13/06/2023 - 08:50

    It's expensive but you get what you pay for. If you like music, it's definitely next level.

    If I'm having trouble sleeping i slip them on and just… It's very impressive. Great sound. If you do ever have the money spare, it's not a bad option at all.

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  smartadam on 12/06/2023 - 20:11

  +1

  Great buy used it for a few years now still holding strong, best headphone I ever bought

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  kungfuman on 12/06/2023 - 20:13

  -4

  does it do lossless?

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    jasswolf on 12/06/2023 - 20:26

    +3

    It's not wireless, so it doesn't use any form of bluetooth compression. Lossless audio would be subject to the source files/service.

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      kungfuman on 13/06/2023 - 07:56

      -5

      ok had a look yeah these don't support lossless audio, shame.

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        mickeyjuiceman on 13/06/2023 - 08:03

        +4

        Wherever you looked, you need to stop looking there

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          kungfuman on 13/06/2023 - 08:35

          -1

          @mickeyjuiceman: I haven't found a site claiming this does lossless audio well.

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            mickeyjuiceman on 13/06/2023 - 09:00

            @kungfuman: How could there be? It's like dissing cars because you can't find a site saying they're great on the moon.

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              kungfuman on 13/06/2023 - 09:58

              @mickeyjuiceman: well if u think it can then show me a review or spec sheet that tell you it supports lossless audio.

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                mickeyjuiceman on 13/06/2023 - 11:20

                @kungfuman: When you clearly know this little about it, these aren't for you.

                There ya go, sorted.

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                  kungfuman on 13/06/2023 - 11:29

                  @mickeyjuiceman: ok sence please? I have no idea what you're saying. But clearly you can't show me that this supports it or not either.

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                  rumblytangara on 15/06/2023 - 09:58

                  @mickeyjuiceman: This was the funniest sidetrack I've read on OzB for a while, thanks :)

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                Laserface on 13/06/2023 - 11:38

                +2

                @kungfuman: Headphones are analog devices. lossless audio refers to digital audio formats and if they discard information in the process of compressing the file. WAV and FLAC are both lossless, but one is larger because it does not compress. MP3 compresses and discards information. it is a lossy format.

                you can listen to literally any file format with headphones.

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                  kungfuman on 13/06/2023 - 11:48

                  @Laserface: ok thank you someone actually gave me an answer thanks.

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                mctubster on 13/06/2023 - 11:42

                @kungfuman: rotflmao … it's the ultimate in lossless … because it's analogue!

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    Larsson on 12/06/2023 - 21:14

    +3

    I think if you are asking this question you really need to do much more research or ask someone who knows and willing to put in the work for you to find you a right pair.

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    smartadam on 13/06/2023 - 09:38

    these are wired headphones….

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  mearkat7 on 12/06/2023 - 20:22

  Tossing up between these and HD58X? I've currently got SHP9500 as more of a budget option but now with wearing them more and more often looking to get something a bit better. Driving off of an audient evo 4.

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    jasswolf on 12/06/2023 - 20:25

    6XX are vastly better, but Evo 4's headphone out is not the greatest source.

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