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It is 'Up to 25% off", so technically not wrong.
Also with the store exclusive code (GGPSAVE5 in this case), it pretty close to 25% (~24.5% in this case)
why is this so expansive still when 13600k outperforms this and is cheaper
Motherboards and ddr5 probably
I havent checked so maybe its just because people tend to over inflate the fastest cpu on a platform because it has added value as a drop in upgrade compared to the mobo+cpu upgradeso its only worth it if you got AMD already , I would have thought AMD wants new costumers too, ah well, they miss out I guess
If you think thats bad you should see how much 7700ks still go for used on ebay.
I saw one go for over $200 not long ago.
Meanwhile you can get a 12th gen quad for like $150New customers will want to upgrade to the 13000 or 7000 series but that will require a new motherboard + DDR5 ram.
This is more for people already on AM4 platforms looking to get the best gaming chip on that platform.
@lolcoaster: I got on to the AM4 platform when the AM5 was still new with the 5700X. Recently upgraded to the 5800X3D but found little to no difference since I mostly play at high resolutions. Should have known better but I bought into the 3D Cache hype.
@tonyamazing: It's why I ultimately decided to bite the bullet and go straight to AM5/7700X; I think the 3D cache CPU's make sense if you're a competitive gamer with super high refresh rate needing the fastest possible frames but for everyone else you're better served with the regular SKU's that can clock higher and perform better in everything else while being cheaper, just my humble opinion of course.
@lolcoaster: I'm th same atm, rocking a 3700x. How obvious is the difference? Note I game in 2k only due to monitor restrictions. And got a 3080. I'm debating to upgrade before they stop making these.
@starburstyellow: It's a decent upgrade on the 3700x.
At 2k on a 3080, you're going to start being gpu limited but the 5800x3d has much better 1%s.
I also sold my old 3700x for about $180ish so I managed to get some funds back that way.
@tonyamazing: 3D cache is very good for simulation games (which i play alot). I saw an fps increase in Assetto Corsa from ~100 fps to constant 180, still using the same gpu and everything. It is a massive upgrade if you make the most of it!
@tonyamazing: 5700X owner here daydreaming of 5800X3D.
I might forgo it after reading that and save up for new platform in a year.@TSH: Try running some perfomance monitoring software, like NZXT CAM or HWiNFO to see how hard your CPU is working.
Even if you don't currently have AM4, for gaming its a wash between these two once you factor in the cost of the platforms. AM4 is cheap to get into, and both platforms are end of life so no future upgrades either way. For most people productivity doesn't really matter, how often are 99% people doing any rendering or encoding?
AM5 might be the most cost effective if you factor in the ability to use the last chip in its life cycle.
What's the problem? I've had an X570 and 3600 running since 2020. Just popped in a 5800X3D. Huge upgrade. New consumers should just go AM5. This is help those of us on AM4 extend the life of the platform. But 13600k is never the answer for many of us who go AMD in the first place.
The top chip on any socket/platform will be multiples of its actual value after the EOL of that platform.
For e.g. i9-9900K's are going for like $400~$500, which is insanity considering that an i7-12700K will demolish it brutally for around that same price.( For perspective of how insane it is to pay $500 for an i9-9900K, there's an old thread on here where people were getting i7-10700K's - which is almost exactly the same chip as i9-9900K - for under $200: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/729905 )
But so many people have z370/z390 mobos and can't be f'd to buy a whole new platform, totally reinstall their OS, buy a new Windows Key, buy new RAM in many cases, etc, etc, etc. A drop in replacement for their current i5 or whatever is a whole lot more palatable, even though on an absolute basis, its a rip off.
Shouldn't need to reinstall windows if they're just using their old boot drive.
whilst keeping the old install can be done, with a few steps to make the transition cleanly there's risk of running into a bunch of conflicts which could be quite a hassle for general users to deal with/workaround.
Because it gives you one more big upgrade for an AM4 rig, and for actual CPU bound games like strategy/MMOs and the like, there's just no competition for it outside of other X3D chips.
i dont know about you guys but I dont upgrade my stuff every year, hence I make one 3-4 years for CPU and GPU
if i was upgrading now I would go DDR5 way and go all outThis is for people who upgrade every few years… Upgrading isn't just for people who do entire builds every upgrade. The best way is to upgrade as you need. Someone with a great AM4 motherboard (like X570 MEG Unify), doesn't need to chuck the whole system away just because AM5+DDR5 is here. That is where the 5800X3D comes in. Extends the life of the platform, and you can join the AM5 crew when that platform is more mature.
A 4-5 years old 300-series board Zen 1 or Zen Plus, or even Zen 2 system could drop this right in and have a fairly relevant CPU for another 3-4 years.
DDR5 is only worth it now for AM5 because you have to use it, even with the lowered price on higher end DDR5 kit its a marginal performance increase for LGA1700 compared to a dirt cheap CL18/3600 or CL16/3200 DDR4 kit, and "so I can reuse the RAM 3 years down the line" isn't an excuse when better DDR5 kits will be cheaper then.
The other thing is that it absolutely crushes the competitions, outside of the AM5 X3Ds in actual PC exclusive game genres like MMOs and strategy games, which are incredibly memory and cache bottlenecked. A 7800X3D + DDR5 + board would set you back ~1200, this is a $500 drop-in for any existing AM4 system, even one with terrible low end boards. 13600K is cheaper just comparing CPU prices, but it loses on overall platform cost because LGA1700 is significantly more demanding on the power delivery section compared to Zen 3. You can drop the 5800X3D into just about anything and it'd run, and on a new rig $150 gets you an Asrock B550M Pro4 which ticks basically every box on the connectivity front, while having a solid VRM Meanwhile most of the low end LGA1700 lineup has dogturd VRM, combined with the higher power requirement of LGA1700 they can barely handle the 12100/12400/13100/13400, and only thanks to the downdraft cooler providing additional airflow to the VRM. The cheapest board I'd even consider pairing a 13600K with is the Z690 UD DDR4 at ~$250.
@[Deactivated]: this is only relevant if you have AMD board already, if you are now looking to upgrade your old 8800k or so this is priced to high to be an option.
they are missing out on more of a market by holding onto unrealistic old gen valueI just upgraded my old 9600K and after selling old CPU,RAM and MB - it was only $500 out of pocket and I get a new gen DDR5 system now with better MB, RAM and CPU
@botchie: Again, the 5800X3D holds value because there's literally no competition for it other than other X3D CPUs in specific games categories, which also happens to be actual PC-exclusives that you can't play on consoles like Simulation games, Strategy games and MMOs (yes technically you can play FF14 on consoles, but at a bleeding edge raiding level no way you're on console). The next best option which is the 7800X3D cost twice as much. Nothing Intel offer comes close.
If all you plays are bloated AAA console ports, sure its not as good value. But neither is the 13600K and DDR5 RAM. DDR5 has terrible scaling on LGA1700, high end 6000 CL30 and higher kit barely outperforms lowly CL16 3200 kit half of its price, while also necessitating a more expensive board because cheap boards don't have the trace quality to handle DDR5 at higher than JEDEC speed, as well as the higher board requirement of LGA1700 in general due to power and heat. In that case you get a 12400 or a 5600 and DDR4 and put the extra $300 toward the GPU instead, that's a much bigger performance increase for those kinds of games.
For future proofing there's also AM5, a 7600 is $100 less and performs neck and neck with the 13600K with PBO turned on, while actually being an upgrade that's worth buying DDR5 for (well, because you need it for the platform) since you can just drop in a CPU in 3 years onto the exact same RAM and board, whereas LGA1700 is as dead as AM4 as far as upgrade goes.
Intel's value is in the mid-ranged productivity segment of the market, because you can get a lot of cores and a lot of dirt cheap DDR4 RAM for cheaper than what AMD provides in the equivalent price range, as well as content creators because of QSV. The 5800X3D is purely a gaming CPU, plain and simple, and the benefits it provides for games goes far beyond what's in benchmarks. In facts, benchmarks are kind of terrible for reviewing the X3D CPUs because FPS in AAA games are kind of irrelevant stat for them, yeah you get better 1% lows and what not but its not a huge difference over the alternative. What it really crushes is memory-bound simulation games like Stellaris and Factorio and Civ, or even WoW (the game is very CPU and memory bound for endgame contents), the 5800X3D's updates per seconds in Factorio is 25% higher than the 13900K, and that translate to having to wait less time for turn calculation, which makes up for the brunt of the delay in gameplay.
@[Deactivated]: Yep. I'm exclusively a WoW/XIV gamer generally and the 5800x3D is insane. 7800x3d is way too expensive at the moment (not to mention blowing up in some cases) so I'm happy on AM4. 13600k doesn't hold a candle to the 5800x3d in the majority of gaming events regardless, and if you're editing/rendering/whatever else you probably already know that use case and can purchase components based on those requirements.
@[Deactivated]: I think you need to check some benchmarks mate, 13600k betters this chip in all benchmarks but guess you know better
@botchie: I'm not sure how you're still not getting it. The 5800X3D loses to the 13600K in AAA games benchmark, but those benchmarks don't actually matter in this comparison because unless you're running a 4080/7900XTX or godforbid a 4090 you're always going to get more performance putting the money toward a better GPU and sticking with a 12400 or a 5600 instead, especially in 1440p and 4K, where CPU don't actually matter that much. Games where the 5800X3D and other X3D CPUs matters don't show up in benchmarks, that's a huge flaw in the current CPU review methods. Only Hardware Unboxed/Techspot tests Factorio, and as expected it completely crushes the competition by a landslide, being 25-30% faster in turn calculation count than the 13900K. CPU-dependent simulation games can take 10-15 minutes to calculate a turn in the endgame, its a huge performance boost, and the 7800X3D even more-so.
For AAA games, the 13600K is neck and neck with the 7600, with it being slightly ahead when PBO is turned off for AMD. But at that point the performance difference is marginal, and AMD wins out because with AM5 you can drop a new CPU in 4-5 years down the line, like first gen AM4 adopters are doing now with the 5800X3D, whereas Intel you have to replace the whole platform.
Its a $500 CPU that still manages to sell and keep the pricing because it gives a last-gen rig another 2-3 years of use (another GPU upgrade or two easily), while also being a viable option for new system in a certain budget range that needs performance in a subset of games that don't generally show up in the typical tech reviewer's benchmark suite. If you're a WoW/FF player that plays at the bleeding edge of content, or you play mainly simulation games like HoI, Factorio, Stellaris, Civ, etc… there's just no competition unless you're spending another $600-700 for a 7800X3D AM5 setup. The 13600K also is also at least $100 more expensive once you account for the rest of the platform price, because at minimum you're spending $250 on a good Z690 DDR4 board for it, more for DDR5, whereas the 5800X3D will happily run on the cheapest piece of shit AM4 board you can get your hand on. It will also do fine with any aftermarket cooler, while the 13600K requires a decently high end cooler even at stock settings just turning off the power limit. The 5800X3D is hot because it can't disperse heat due to the 3D Cache insulation layer, so a better cooler doesn't do much, whereas the 13600K and the rest of Alder/Raptor Lake are genuinely hot chips that require good power delivery and cooling.
@[Deactivated]: I can't read all the stuff you write and you lose me at the suggestion of getting 12400 which is a last gen chip and nowhere near 13600.
All the crappy games you talk about you don't need 600 fps , strategy and Sims , who even plays those
gaming / vr rig is a ryzen 3600 with a newer 6800 xt
upgrading the old ryzen to the 5800x3d boosts 1440p (oculus rift res) performance by ~50%
thats quite a good return on $, better than an new gen GPU upgrade
and it gives this old system a GPU upgrade path in the future too
GGPSAVE5 isn't on SB so might invalidate CB
oh but wouldn't PWE22 give the same discount?
Fair point on the GGPSAVE5
Just dont think youll get the $20 if you use it. Computer alliance may work out cheaper if you use SB and only PWE22.
This product should be priced lower honestly. The 5800x3d should be a bargain chip priced around $300 to $400 max for a previous gen product.
Agreed. Its just the hype.
Hype is always based on some truth/facts. 5800X3D's benchmarks are there for all to see. Its role as a final great upgrade for those with AM4 MOBO means it demands a higher price, and is well worth it.
hits those prices Im in.
Nah. It's fine. Just popped one of these in to replace my 3600 and it has absolutely given new life to my system. Well worth the money.
I'd argue the 5700x currently selling for $270 is the more bang for buck step in upgrade compared to the 5800x3d which costs $200 more. You're paying 74% more in price for an average increase of around 16.5% in performance.
A fellow user on here also mentioned that when they upgraded from a 5700x to 5800x3d they noticed little to no difference. Obviously both are a step up from a 3600 and the difference would clearly be noticeable.
For productivity, the 5800X3D is a worse 5700X, same 8C/16T setup without the PBO overclocking headroom of the 5700X. For gaming, different story, but you wouldn't be buying the 5800X3D in the first place. If you're not playing games that necessitate the 5800X3D upgrade, you don't really need to upgrade from a 3600 either, since at higher resolution its GPU bound rather than CPU anyway.
@[Deactivated]: Yes that's correct, however in regards to gaming the 5700x is still a noticeable upgrade from 3600 as higher end gpu's start to get bottlenecked. Definite increase in fps, stability, better 1% lows, less stuttering and overall smoother performance.
The 5800x3d further improves on this but it's not worth the extra money over 5700x.
5700x is a nice upgrade right now.. but it would be the last upgrade on your am4 system
with a 5800x3d it opens up 1 gpu upgrade in the future, say a used 4080/90 some time down the road - the 5700x is really going to limit you in that scenario
also worth noting that your ddr4 ram isn't going to be as important on a 5800x3d, for example running 3200mhz ddr4 isn't going to cap your performance like it would on a 5700x
in the end it comes down to your specific situation
for me with a ryzen 3600 who plays at 1440 for in both VR (oculus rift s) and non-VR and with just 3200mhz ram and a 6800xt it makes sense paying the extra $200 bucks here
@desync: Depends on specific situation, for me 5700x and rtx3080 would be final on this am4 platform. In the future a 5800x3d and 4080 may be cheap used, but I would rather have an entirely new system at that point, most likely Intel as they are just more reliable in all areas (optimised for all kinds of games, work, software etc). Especially as most developers use Intel for programming etc.
although lower would be nice if your in a situation where you have say at 3600 or worse and play exclusively at 1440p then it's a no brainer, especially if you've recently upgraded your gpu to a 6800xt or 3080/70ti or greater
you are looking at a 40% performance boost just for a CPU and it gives your am4 platform another GPU upgrade path in the future
$480 for a 40% FPS increase at both the 1% and max is pretty amazing value in 2023
Again the increase is very subjective depending on use case and what games you play. The 5700x is better overall for computing tasks and games at a price/performance ratio while running cooler than its bigger brothers.
All depends if you want the very best for gaming or the best value for money upgrade on existing platform.
For me it's worth an upgrade over my 3700x as I bought the 5700x for $257. Should fetch $120~$150 for selling 3700x.
yeah the 5700x is probably fine if you aren't doing VR
the loss in smoothness (1% lows) isn't all that critical when you are sitting a couple of feet away from your monitor but when the LCD is mm away from your eyeballs it'll destroy you, headaches, eyestrain, etc - not enjoyable at all
5600x is doing me fine at 1440p and 4k
This is just for 1080p 240hz monitor refresh brahs
Even though the 5800X3D runs circles around your 5600X (and is useful in other ways, such as if you use your machine like a server, etc, like me, with its extra cores), it is not just for 5000 series owners. I upgraded from a 3600. Huge boost in FPS in the main game I play (War Thunder).
i still can't decide between 5900x vs 5800x3d.
5900x https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/174819188604 $490 here.
Do you need those extra cores for productivity? Are you mainly looking to game? Two choices, two CPU options.
if you need to ask, go for 5800x3d.
most ppl wouldn't ever need that many cores.If you need extra cores for productivity, go Intel, you get way more bang for bucks. 13500 and 13600K are 14 cores 20 threads
Still waiting for a cracking deal on a 5600g
Think most of any deal involving that will be for budget bundles, i.e. https://www.pcbyte.com.au/p/5600gb550m-matx-bundle-amd-r5-56…
Yeah. Sadly there's almost never budget bundles for mini itx motherboards.
Thanks OP! Got 5700x with plus and shopback perks.
Currently 5800x but would like 20-30% more fps. Is there anymore hope for an AM4 rig upgrade (5950x?) or will I have to upgrade motherboards?
Exact same boat as you with a 5800x and I took the plunge on the 5800x3d.
In my current setup, my CPU is the limiting factor and for $486 (I ordered mine last week), it seemed like the cheapest short-medium term option for some extra fps.Long term, I'll end up going AM5 but this gives me at least an extra year to 18 months with AM4.
If it's purely for gaming performance, there really is no other option within AM4 if you're currently on a 5800x.
The 5800x3d is considerably better for gaming than the 5950x and also considerably cheaper.Exactly, some games benefit more from CPU upgrades than GPU upgrades that's for sure. Not to mention the cache of the 5800X3D, that makes it an X3D.
Buy a better GPU. 5800X3D would be a performance boost, but for the most part it helps tightening your 1% lows, its not a huge upgrade in AAA games, and you wouldn't get a 30% boost from it anyway unless you're playing Tarkov or WoW or something horribly CPU bound.
5900X and 5950X are productivity CPUs, the gaming performance difference between it and a 5800X, or hell even a 5600 is marginal at best. It also has a much higher cooling and motherboard requirement due to the heat generated and power delivery required.
I am planning to upgrade it for CPU bound games, and I have a high-end 360mm AIO. Will it give a 30% boost for CPU bound games?
I have a rtx 3080 that I will probably upgrade when the 5000 series comes out
Depends on the game really, its a case by case basis, its better to do your research for the specific game, because they interact with the cache differently.
The 5800X3D isn't a powerful CPU per-se, the performance boost comes from the extra cache compensating for games that are memory-bottlenecked because there's a lot of little calculations that needs to be done, the CPU isn't really taxed the same way encoding a video does, rather it spends a lot of time waiting while swapping data between cache and memory, and there's a huge difference in access time between the two. Having a bigger cache means that it can store everything in the cache, so it finishes the calcs faster
Without you mentioning your GPU earlier, I said I also had a 5800x and was in the same boat as you contemplating upgrading to a 5800x3d.
But it seems we have the same GPU also!I upgraded to a 7900 XTX last week and while it was definitely an improvement, I probably didn't get the biggest boost I expected on certain games, mostly because they were CPU intensive.
The likes of Warzone, for example (possibly a badly optimised, console port type of problem) was not taxing the new GPU much at all, but was hammering the CPU.
That game definitely improves drastically between a 5800X and a 5800x3d.But tatsulotto has provided some great technical details on things here which shows the decision may be very game-oriented on whether you see any major improvements on upgrading the CPU.
@Deviner: Going from 5800X to a 5800X3D on a 7900XTX, you are literally throwing money away
IF you play at 1080p then going from 300fps to 330fps won't mean anything
At 1440p and 4k there's virtually no difference between the 2 cpus.Total waste of $470 you could put to a ssd/hdd/speaker/headphone/monitor/etc…but if the plecebo is what your after go for it! :)
@netsev: ^^ I already have sad and high end headphone/monitor etc. looking for the best performance possible
@exit: If you are after such a big increase, you won't see it with the 5800x3d from the 5800x. You will need to go with one of the latest platforms from Intel or Amd. I recommend waiting for the latest Intel release.
@netsev: That's literally contrary to almost every review and benchmark I've seen so far.
I'm mostly playing Warzone @ 1440p at the moment and there's benchmarks showing 10-30% fps increases from the 5800X to the 5800X3D.
That's roughly 100-120fps up to 150-170fps with much, much better 1% lows which is pretty key.With the ingame telemetry crap, you can see your GPU time and CPU time.
My GPU time is about 3ms, while my CPU is between 8-10ms - indicating the CPU is the weak point.
I'm sure some games are going to benefit more than others - Warzone is particularly badly made and CPU-bound.Obviously AM5 would future proof me much, much more, but I don't have the time, patience or need at the moment to do it.
I don't need anything else, the CPU was the only downside, so it was the only potential upgrade without going all out AM5 and spending around $1200.
Next game I play is probably Diablo so I'm sure the change of CPU will help somewhat there as well.
@netsev: My CPU arrived there yesterday and I gave it a shot today.
Absolutely night and day difference between the FPS on the 5800X compared to the 5800X3D.
On 1440p (3440x1440 ultra-wide), I get 140fps which is what I've capped it at and it literally never drops even with a lot of stuff going on in either the big map with 150 players, or as a test on Ground War which has 64 players and a couple dozen vehicles.
This is coming from a mix of 100-140fps previously, which is a big disparity and makes it feel way worse than 100fps when it's jumping that much.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw97hj18OUE is a pretty good reference point game-by-game.
As I mentioned, some games are notably better than others (like Apex, which doesn't show much improvements).
I just bought the 5700X for $256.62 at the same store with the voucher and the code. 5 left.
Thanks OP!
I do notice some sellers forgot to edit their graphics down to 22%