Hi folks, for longevity and cost of running would you prefer the MG ZS EV or Corolla Cross Hybrid? Or if you have any other suggestions for around $45k (new car only please)
Thanks!
MG ZS EV Vs Corolla Cross Hybrid
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68 years and 11 months
Ok. I'll stick with the Toyota then still.
You'll be happy you're buying a new car but you'll probably never have to spend that money on it. Win win.
Absolutely not the MG
Definitely Corolla. Even if you have to wait for it.
As for a car that's $45K, guess you only want SUVs. If not, then Hyundai i30 N-Line.
I'll check that out thanks. Doesnt have to be SUV.
I went to look at and test drove some cars, including MGs (HS and ZS), Haval, Mazda, Kia, Toyota.
In my opinion, MG and Haval were nice, but not as nice as the rest.
I also felt the user interface (HVAC, driver instrumentation, etc) were cheaply and hastily put together.
Almost like an old cheap Android tablet with an underpowered CPU and not enough RAM. Was slow and clunky and left me wondering when it would freeze/crash.
Of course, you might consider it differently.Which one was your favorite?
I looked at PHEVs and EVs because of the FBT exemption.
Thats how I went out of my way to find an MG dealer. Whilst I was there, I also checked out the Haval H6.
I think the Haval is much better value for money than the MG HS.
If you're only keeping it for 5 years, I think these cars will be fine. Yes, I know they have 7 year warranty, but you'd ditch them whilst there is some factory warranty remaining. Also, note that I have no experience with any warranty claim with either company - if they don't back it and always blame the customer, the warranty is worthless (hint, this is what Kia try to do).
The resale might hurt a bit more at the end though.I think I would be perfectly fine to drive one, but my personal impression is that the MG is about 10-15k overpriced, and the Haval is closer to fair value (I think it was ~$40k for the Hybrid model?)
In reality, I was only looking because of the FBT exemption, and it didn't seem to stack up for me with the MG.
Ended up going for Mazda CX5.
I also felt the user interface (HVAC, driver instrumentation, etc) were cheaply and hastily put together.
Just like the rest of the car
Almost like an old cheap Android tablet with an underpowered CPU and not enough RAM
Probably because it is.
Look up any youtube video about the infotainment system and the comments from owners are hilarious.
MG had a bit of power to it. I couldn't figure out how to move the seat back and forth in my quick drive.
UI felt very unrefined.
BYD Atto 3.
I second this, ZS EV was never our option when we looked at Atto 3 vs Corolla Cross
Atto 3 is built on dedicated EV platform. It's way roomier than Corolla Cross inside and the Cross is bigger/roomier than ZS again.
Atto 3 interior has lots of soft touch material, compared to ZS or Corolla Cross it definitely feel more premium. Heck the top trim Atmos Cross has hard plastic on dashboard, whereas my cheaper RAV4 GXL has full soft touch dashboard. I think Corolla Cross is priced too close to the RAV4 to make it competitive.
We paid $48k D/A for Extended Range Atto 3 this year because we ordered just before price rise. With $3k rebate received it makes loads more sense the Corolla Cross Atmos Hybrid FWD. IMO the Corolla Cross should be 10% cheaper to justify, the RAV4 is so close in price and is a bigger car with better built/interior, only problem is it's also harder to get due to longer wait.Because soft touch dashboard is such an important addition to a car?
In a car costing over $50k and not even a medium SUV, yes. The Corolla Cross is not well packaged like the RAV4, choosing Hybrid AWD meaning you also lose spare tyre whereas even the RAV4 Prime with its bigger battery and AWD can still have spare tyre. You can see that the RAV4 was definitely built with Hybrid in mind whereas the Corolla Cross was more for ICE and it's true. The Corolla Cross was launched in South East Asia, they don't buy many Hybrid and most of the SEA countries don't have the RAV4 so Corolla Cross was the poor man's RAV4. Given the small price difference I would go with the RAV4 over the Corolla Cross.
@Bigboomboom: Corolla cross uses the new toyota hybrid system and rav4 is still on the previous system i believe?
@FrugalFrodo: Yes, with Lithium battery instead of NiMH which means it should be smaller and lighter. Somehow the Cross still loses out more room in the boot compared to the RAV4. For instance, the Cross Hybrid AWD loses the spare tyre and has less boot space. The RAV4 Prime which is a PHEV has spare tyre and almost untouched boot space. Don't get me wrong, the Corolla Cross is not bad but just not for the price, RAV4 is only $4k more for each similar trim. Why get Corolla Cross Atmos when RAV4 Cruiser is so close in price?
IMO it should have been similar to Corolla vs Camry, which is what they are based off too. Corolla Ascent Sport Sedan is $32k D/A, Camry Ascent Sport is $41k D/A, makes sense to buy Corolla because it's $9k difference. Corolla Cross vs RAV4 is only $4k. I get why Toyota price it like that though, because there's a huge wait on RAV4 they figure people would jump at the Cross.
I have tried the Corolla Cross Hybrid, overall it is a nice car at a nice price.
The one thing I noticed however was that the engine is quite weak, take offs won't be fast if you are used to a certain response.
Just chuck it in Power mode if you want to take off fast
VVT-i just kicked in yo!
Every Toyota I've ever driven has struggled going uphill at any speed.
eg. coming out of the M5 tunnel in sydney
can only imagine an AWD model would be slower.take offs won't be fast
It's not a jet plane or rocket ship. Generally you pull away in a road based vehicle.
it's like comparing an egg to a stone
Meh, I'm only here for the "mG/cHiNa cAr BaD" comments from people that have never seen one up close but claim they rented one for 18 weeks and that the wheels fell off it every day and the battery cooked itself and the gearbox fell out, and, and, and… Meanwhile a real owner turns up and says "Oh, I'm pretty happy with mine…" and gets downvoted to oblivion.
Don't downvote, me people!! … but I did a whole post about my MG PHEV.
No experience with the ZS EV so I'm not sure on significant differences between the HS and ZS chassis/engine/powertrain etc but my specific model is excellent. DO NOTE this doesn't apply to the whole MG range - I drove a petrol MG3 yesterday and it drives equal it it's low price… do not recommend.
Great post! What do you think of your PHEV vs a full hybrid like the corolla cross hybrid?
Biggest issue for you is availability - hybrids like the Rav4 and Corolla Cross might be great cars but with a two-year wait period it simply doesn't make sense. The savings I would make in two years of ownership would well offset the additional upfront expense of the PHEV that's in-stock.
When both cars are actually both in stock, then you can start comparing running economies. the PHEV gives you the much better efficiency of electricity since the mild hybrid of the Toyotas can only ideally get down to about 4L/100km. If you're mostly doing shorter/city driving then an EV or PHEV will work out cheaper since you don't need to use any petrol. If doing longer distances then the PHEV and mild hybrid will both become relatively similar in terms of cost per km.
Finally, build quality - my PHEV is based on the top-of-the-line model so I have all the bells and whistles which is fantastic, although this sentiment certainly doesn't apply to the whole MG range. Toyotas are almost always highly praised so that wouldn't really be a concern, but having to pay for a premium variant might well exceed your $45k budget.
TL;DR - both are good, only the MG PHEV can actually be purchased!
@Pegasx:I was behind a BYD the other day, does that count?
Oh yeah, feel free to bash on BYD because you were almost close enough to touch one…
Interesting looking things, have seen a few around now.Not for me though(not ‘allowed’ to look @ new cars anymore,‘apparently’ I have spent & wasted to much in the last 10 years or so).I have had my last new car I have been told!
LOL, Apples vs Oranges much OP?
Corolla no doubt especially if you want longevity.
Cost of running will be much lower for the EV. Sparks are much cheaper than juiced dinosaurs and services are pretty minimal.
Depends on your use pattern to which you’ve given absolutely no hints. City only and have off street parking you can charge at, just get the EV. Occasional short county drives? Really consider the EV but make sure you think about charging on your trips, not your aspirational trips, but what you have actually done in the last few years. Regularly (like monthly) travel more than 60% of stated MG range go the ‘rolls
OP do some research on Toyota reliability vs MG
Spolier: Toyota is the most reliable car brand and MG is shitI’d get whoever has been doing hybrid the longest as the quality and depth of engineering is really important for longevity - Toyota.
both? take whichever is available for immediate delivery, and place an order for the one with a 2 year wait.
In two years you have an upgrade option ready for you.Toyota would have a better resale value than a Modern Gentleman.
Depends what you want, if its mostly about running costs, EV all the way (especially if you can go novated). MG should have better wait times too (ordered mine in Jan, got to port in April- still not to me but that's not MG's fault). I will say that Toyota will be a 'nicer' car overall, but I am pretty happy to be going MG after driving Toyota for the last 10 years (Daewoo before that. I personally think the MGEV was a nice drive, but others prefer the Atto- I'd be choosing between those two and getting a good test drive in first.
Of course, there is also on option to wait for an MG4 if you want something a bit less SUV
There is a complete new Kona coming out at the end of the year and is bigger than the current one and very similar in size to the corolla cross. It comes in ICE, hybrid and ev and will give you the quality long lasting option in a good performing and driving car for about that money depending on what model you get. The Chinese cars are always going to be cheaper for the same equipment but are still not the same quality but that is a choice for you. Quality reporting put Hyundai right up near the top, well above MG and even above Toyota. Still not the same as a European car, especially with interior feel and touch points but a good value compromise. If you are interested in an EV (if you can salary sacrifice, stretch a bit further with an EV), I'd wait until a bit later this year and see what comes out of the VW group for Australia and what price they come at.
If you can afford an EV, you could save a lot in the long run, depending on your driving habits. I've been looking at EVs recently and was seriously considering buying a BYD Atto 3 (in spite of the awful, cheap tyres they put on them). Something made me reconsider: There's a potential problem with Chinese EVs like BYD and MG, which is the manufacturing standard. From reports I've seen, BYD may have a problem with corrosion (rust). Apparently, rust has been found on a couple of BYD Atto 3s that were just a few months old. It was on parts of the body that you won't see without removing bits. (It may also be inside channels and bodywork that's not accessible.) If this is a problem across all Atto 3s, it could be bad news in a few years. I don't know if it is. I am currently trying to find out if BYD gives the bodywork any corrosion protection at all. I've seen reports that cars made in China and India for their local markets don't have protection against corrosion, and it may be that some of those models imported to Australia have that problem too. As far as I know, all the well-known major brands sold in Australia (Toyota, Hyundai, Honda, Renault, Tesla, etc.) do have corrosion protection, which is why rust is rarely a problem with them these days.
What's the delivery time on the Toyota?