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If it were the size and weight and price of an OLED Switch I'd buy it.
Also the battery life of the Nintendo DS and as powerful as an RTX 4090 desktop
steam deck is said to be about the power of last gen console ie PS4..
but it mainly plays at 720p 30fps for AAA titles so probably more like weaker than PS4.
PS5 GPU power is similar to RX 5700 XT or RTX 2070 Super…
So maybe in 10 or more years.
Get the Steam Deck 3000 model or something like that.
As for battery life
wait for the arc reactor to be invented.
@pinkybrain: I had a steam deck, I would say some games run better than PS4 and some games fall short. Only recent AAA games struggle on deck. Older games can easily get 45 tp 60 fps at 720p
@ChadHominem: Got rid of it cause I wanted something a bit more powerful. Eyeing the Rog ally but the price is a bit high
@RetroMetro: but the key is you playing it at 720p and most AAA games target 30fps
PS4 running at 1080p 60fps and some at 4k
@pinkybrain: AAA games on ps4 more often 30fps, and often at like 900p upscaled
1080p60 and 4K on the pro, yes, if you’re lucky, but that’s more powerful than base ps4
ps4 more often 30fps, and often at like 900p upscaled
so is ps4 running at 900p or 720p 30fps or 1080p?
this shows a game running at 1080p on ps4 vs steam deck
e.g.
https://i.redd.it/kfh3926aw4k81.png
Also this
Steam Deck vs Playstation 4 - Red Dead Redemption 2 = 720p FSR vs 1080p
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kydP0AdJ3GA
don't really know what mean 900p upscaled, from what original resolution?
so is ps4 running at 900p or 720p 30fps or 1080p?
Usually 1080p, sometimes 900p for 3rd party AAA titles. From memory cyberpunk 2077 would vary between 720p and 900p, 30fps if lucky.
this shows a game running at 1080p on ps4 vs steam deck
Yes, I believe that god of war and RDR 2 run at 1080p 30fps.
don't really know what mean 900p upscaled, from what original resolution?
Upscaled from native 900p resolution to a 1080p output signal
Usually 1080p, sometimes 900p for 3rd party AAA titles. From memory cyberpunk 2077 would vary between 720p and 900p, 30fps if lucky.
yeah cyberpunk 2077 ran poorly on most/all the last gen consoles especially when first came out.
not sure if the patch has made it even playable on PS4 pro.
Yes, I believe that god of war and RDR 2 run at 1080p 30fps.
with the 720p FSR for RDR2?
does it mean steam deck also upscale from some other lower resolution to 720p?
from the video comparison seems like the graphics looks steam deck look similar to ps4 but PS4 slightly more detailed and maybe bit sharper.
Does this mean if steam deck tried run at 1080p 30fps natively it would not be powerful enough to do this unlike the PS4 which did natively?
Also since steam deck is using FSR to output 720p resolution, is the actual resolution lower e.g. 600p or whatever
and it is actually weaker than PS4 which is outputting 1080p natively in RDR2?
@pinkybrain: I've played RDR2 on the deck at 900p using console settings then upscaled to 1080p. The game performs at a steady 30fps for the most part.
with the 720p FSR for RDR2?
does it mean steam deck also upscale from some other lower resolution to 720p?
I believe so
Does this mean if steam deck tried run at 1080p 30fps natively it would not be powerful enough to do this unlike the PS4 which did natively?
Correct
Also since steam deck is using FSR to output 720p resolution, is the actual resolution lower e.g. 600p or whatever
and it is actually weaker than PS4 which is outputting 1080p natively in RDR2?
Yep. Though the creator of the video you linked to doesn’t mention which FSR mode they’re using so it’s hard to know what resolution they’re upscaling from
@pinkybrain: I've run tons of games at 1080p on the deck. the most extreme game that the deck performs better than PS4 is alien isolation. All settings maxed out @1080p with a smooth 60fps vs 30 fps PS4.
@RetroMetro: compare it with a well known and more popular AAA title says it all
Steam Deck vs Playstation 4 - Red Dead Redemption 2 = 720p FSR vs 1080p
@RetroMetro: Im not sure why people are comparing steam deck vs ps4 as they are separate products. Compare it to ome of the windows handhelds, its really good value (though I wont buy one myself, I dont use my Vita at all pretty much so no use case)
Im not sure why people are comparing steam deck vs ps4 as they are separate products
because that is what the steam deck is comparable to in power ie a weak PS4.
And once you upgrade the base model to 1TB SSD, it cost more than PS5,
so paying more for essentially a last gen console power.
Compare it to ome of the windows handhelds, its really good value
why?
we already know what those windows handheld offers
and there is so many windows handheld, which should we compare it to?
The only most recent handheld to compare it to is the Asus Ally.
and we already know that it is more powerful than steam deck (due to new CPU/GPU specs)
Price shouldn't really factor because Switch will gouge you hundreds if not thousands of dollars on software. I don't know about you, but I've got like 800 games on steam.
not cheapest..
just wait for another deal
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If it drops down to $500-$600 range its something I might consider it, overall, it seems to be a great product, it's just that It'll stay in a case without use.
There is a market for probably something like this, and Steam did a very good first shot at it - hopefully time will push the price down.
steam deck is quite expensive purchase and after you add in the cost of 1TB SSD upgrade etc.
It cost more than PS5.
but it's power is like PS4 and probably weaker PS4 (since it only games at 720p 30fps).
Long term wise, newer AAA titles most likely will struggle or won't be playable on steam deck.
This is true, but when you have a back catalogue of 1,000 games it’ll help you clear the more modest titles like dishonoured etc.
Also proton runs really well and even helps some older games become playable again when companies don’t update them for the latest windows
@Commodore64: sure if your main objective is you want to just clear out out all the back catalog of games then get it..
but don't have hope that the future AAA games will be playable.
also there are people playing lots of beautiful looking games e.g. Red Dead Redemption or whatever on the tiny screen at lower resolution of 720p 30fps at home while connecting their steam deck to the power plug (since it only last like approx 1.5hrs for AAA graphically intensive games e.g Spiderman)..
when they can play it on the bigger consoles or PC (running 4k or higher resolution with high fps than 720p 30fps) on a big screen 4K TV or PC..
It's like people watching these big blockbuster movies on their phones while they also got 4k TV in their homes..
And they paid total cost is more than PS5 (after 1TB SSD upgrade for base model).
Sure you can also bring it with you to play where ever you go..
but the biggest factor is the thing is quite big / bulkier than the other handhelds and only last like approx 1.5hrs for AAA titles
so it does limit how often you actually take it with you and how long you can game on it or the type of game you would be playing while you are travelling.
Also proton runs really well and even helps some older games become playable again when companies don’t update them for the latest windows
What games are you referring to that don't work on latest version of windows 10 or 11 that works on steam deck?
@pinkybrain: Off the top of my head LA Noire.
Crashes in windows 10/11 but as a compatibility layer runs on proton.
Playing games like ace attorney chronicles or thimbleweed park the steam deck gets like 5-6 hours
Off the top of my head LA Noire.
Crashes in windows 10/11 but as a compatibility layer runs on proton.
interesting.. isn't a there patch or run exe as compatible for windows 7 etc?
Playing games like ace attorney chronicles or thimbleweed park the steam deck gets like 5-6 hours
yeah no kidding.. those are not AAA intensive games
that is why I said AAA titles (e.g. spiderman) only last about 1.5hrs..
so it limits you playing indie games or less intensive games to last longer than approx 1.5 while travelling.
have you tested how long dishonour or RDR2 battery life last while playing?
@pinkybrain: You could buy a power bank to sort that problem. I got a really good cygnet one that is 27,000 mah which would roughly give the deck 4 charges
@RetroMetro: right so
the steam deck already bulky and heavier (than other handhelds)
and need to bring another powerbank with you..
then you gonna carry it in your backpack along with steam case
And as you are gaming, battery warning appears
then you plug the cable from powerbank to your steam deck while you playing as it charges
and the cord is hanging off the steam deck..
Yes I can picture it..
you looking really cool playing it dude.
just admit it..
the battery life sucks for AAA intensive games
and you just end up playing some low intensive game or indie games most of time if you ever do take it with you while travelling.
back catalogue of 1,000 games
do you actually own 1000 games in steam library?
most people don't..
they got some good games and also alot of junk freebies games..
and if you want to increase your library
you going to need to pay for each game that is essentially means paying money for all these old games now,
Try playing Zelda TotK on the PS4 or 5 though. Runs quite nicely on the Steam Deck. Also that backlog of 10 billion steam games.
10 billion steam games.
nice exaggeration..
it is actually mainly steam certified games that are considered playable which is much less..
then it comes back to how much games you actually own in the steam library that you can played which whittle it downs even further..
which ebay+ coupons? by default threesons offer is 876 (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/175568623978) given current deal is ebay+ only as well, would be interesing to compare
Get the SD while wait for Ally price to drop?
but if you get this why would you need to wait for the Ally to drop?
just wait for the Ally to see what prices are then.
Also the Ally power (new CPU/GPU) will allow it to play more AAA games than the steam deck.
Let's wait and see what AAA games the Ally can play that the steam deck can't (or performance is bad that makes it unplayable).
And this is not cheapest price so far.
This was the lowest price 1 month ago.
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Yeah go ahead and provide some examples then.
Umm.. Steam Deck.. der
Best Value to Good Value x86 Handhelds:
11/10: USD $700 ~$1,200 AUD - ASUS ROG Ally Pro
8/10: USD $600 ~$1,000 AUD - ASUS ROG Ally
7/10: USD $400 ~$650 AUD - Valve SteamDeck
4/10: USD $1000 ~1,700 AUD - GPD Win Max-2022
The Valve SteamDeck is a great device, but it should've been released in 2019. It feels underpowered for 2023. But due to its custom hardware and custom software, it's the battery life king when running light applications (5W-11W). Valve deserves a lot of profits and success, they invigorated a market that wasn't. If you buy one of these, you're getting a "console" which can also become a PC if you want it to. You'll also be supporting Linux and better future for gaming, out of the monopoly from Microsoft.
GPD also deserves lots of money. They made these consoles when no-one would. It was the likes of GPD XD that lead to seeing the Retroid Pocket 3+, and the GPD Win-1 which lead to the SteamDeck. If you buy one of these, you'll be getting a full-fledged PC with a great keyboard. It'll be buggy and clunky, but you'll be getting all the features.
ASUS is one of the better computer sellers. The ROG Ally is the best on the market. ASUS is basically losing money with each sale, or at best not-making anything. They don't own Steam to leverage software sales like Sony does with the PS5. If you buy one of these, you'll be getting the most performance (almost Xbox Series S level) whilst at the lowest price. You won't get a keyboard and it'll be clunky, but that price and features won't be matched anytime soon by any other competitor, for at least the next 13 months.
Any thoughts on AOKZOE A1 PRO?
I feel like if I'm on a budget I'll get a 64gb steam deck, but if I'm looking at a ROG ally, the high-end one seems well worth the extra cost, and then the AOKZOE looks better other than maybe customer support.
It's ugly, has no support, and is more expensive.
So personally I don't recommend it. However, looking at it in a vacuum/alone, it does not have any glaring issues. It's got the right chipset (7840u), screen (1080p), battery (65Whr) and software (Windows 11). But I would seriously hesitate paying the ~$2k rough asking price. The ones I listed above are really the best ones to look out for.
Thanks. I get a little lost in the ram and processor specs. The indiegogo preorder price is only $800 usd (same or cheaper than the $1300 ROG) for the entry model which still out does ROG ally for battery, has more ram, faster charging, bigger screen and hall joysticks.
Still people seem a bit wary of Asus support which is probably going to be better than Aokzoe. Anyway, thanks for the opinion.
@Canuck: If you are wary about Asus support, I wouldnt be looking at an indigogo campaign as an alternative!
@Canuck: https://youtu.be/XaLQaDUCbHU
Just know that the USD $800 is the "early bird" price. It might even be over. They are actually selling it for USD $1000 and more for the true pricing. And if you managed to get the pre-order, you might not get the best experience. Sometimes they ship you the early batches which have known faults. Other times they will ship you the full-retail version but will de-prioritise your order because they're fulfilling orders first for other people who paid higher price.
In the chance that everything goes right, yes, it seems to be a good contender. That 8inch screen with 16:10 ratio is what I've asked these companies. It's also got a 65W battery. And despite its size and features it's not unbareably heavy. As you said Hall Sticks. Lastly it has a fast and healthy 32GB DDR5 RAM, and the full m.2 slot for cheap upgrades. So you'll definitely get a compelling experience.
Where it's lacking is the controls are not the best in comfort. It's not very good in the dark, has somewhat low brightness, average gamut/accuracy, and is only 60Hz. But it's a decent screen. The speakers are quiet. The fans are a little loud/average. And that bottom USB-C port is dumb.
No quick suspend on RoG Ally is a pretty important factor to be honest. I do agree that spec wise the ROG Ally is pretty impressive for the price
No quick suspend no deal!
One thing needs to be clarified, the steam deck isn't the battery king. Yes, on tdp to tdp comparison, the steam deck perform better, but in total system package, the steam deck draws up to 4w more than competition. So in order to be truly battery comparable, the SD running at 5w vs other devices at 9w.
Source: the phawx have 2 videos about this, check out his steam deck vs ally, or deck vs win max 2 (2022). He suspected that it's cause the SD has a different tdp measurement standard.
Damn just pre ordered the Asus ROG Ally
how much and where?
also which model??
Only available @ JB and I think they’ve only got the expensive one. $1299, and if you pre order in store you can just pay a deposit and then pay the rest with discounted gift cards.
Can't pre order in store apparently. Only online, and full payment required.
@Bozman: It must depend on the store because I know someone who’s pre ordered in store and they showed me the receipt that shows that they only did a deposit.
As above, pre-ordered from jb hifi site…
Would this and a large SD card be enough or is a ssd upgrade needed
most people do the SSD upgrade with base model.
probably more for the better loading time and installation time
It depends what you’re playing, if it’s mostly games from 2010 or earlier (EG Xbox 360 or ps3 games) or indie/VN titles then SD card is fine.
That being said, the SD card is limited to 100MB/s on steam deck, so it’s equivalent to 2.5” drive in terms of transfer speeds minus seek time.
Nothings stopping you running newer games like prey, just be prepared for a bit more load time.
I tried alien isolation from SD and it did run.
I suppose it’s not different to the switch in that regard
Ssd is not needed. There are games that can heavily benefit from it, but if you owned a ps4, you're no stranger to loading screen.
True
You know the rules and so do i
SD card is just fine but upgrading 2230 ssd is cheaper now and much faster and it takes couple of minutes to change.
You can get by with 64GB but the Steam Deck needs to download shaders and that can take a lot of storage. My 64GB was full of shaders for the games on my 500GB SD card.
Would be enough. My buddy runs the 64GB and a couple SD cards.
I nabbed a 256GB SSD for like $20 on ebay, and a few SD cards. If youre happy to open it up that's what I'd do.
Pfft not even oled screen like the Nintendo switch
You can download plugins such as vibrant deck to adjust such settings.
You can’t reasonably emulate displays by adjusting settings, unfortunately. If you boost the vibrancy of colours to look like switch OLED you screw up colour accuracy, and if you increase the contrast to look even remotely like switch OLED you lose heaps of detail
if only hardware displays could easily be fixed by adjusting software plugins..
we all would have OLED like screen on our non OLED PC monitors.
@pinkybrain: The average consumer doesn't care about RGB accuracy, they like nice vibrant colours when they consume media. VibrantDeck plugin lets you tweak the saturation, games definitely pop a lot more than the washed out default configuration.
average consumer doesn't care about RGB accuracy, they like nice vibrant colours when they consume media.
the average consume actually only use the default settings.
Only the tech enthusiast would bother to install this plugin to try make their display look better.
Just recently someone put a 1200p display on the deck.
https://steamdeckhq.com/news/a-1200p-screen-for-your-steam-d…
Average consumer also most likely to be just playing on their switch or gaming console.
@pinkybrain: I actually meant to reply to Chad above you, but in reponse to your comment I'd say you're right except my point stands. If someone walks into a store and sees 2 LCD panels - one with 99% RGB accuracy and one with boosted saturation, they will almost always pick the one with boosted saturation.
Not based on 2015 tech like the Switch either.
I've been using the deck mainly as a streaming platform at home (PC/PS5), it pretty much got me back into gaming after having a child. On the go I play games like elden ring which works flawlessly. Would recommend buying base version then upgrading SSD.
how long is battery life while playing elden ring?
This or the Asus one
This.
ASUS
Depends how much money you want to spend really. Both good options.
Wow didn’t even know this and the ASUS machine existed. Good thread. Might cost me. ASUS is another level cost wise but some good gear. This looks good too.
Edit. Just looked up as I’m now interested. But found this article on the ASUS. Steam deck looks the pick.
Wow 3/10? That's not really what the consensus is out there, definitely valid points that others also mention in reviews. I'd check out some other reviews too …get a bit more even view.
Do people only play triple A games?
I swear every comment here is as if 90% of your game library is filled with only games you need a 4090 to play.
If you ask the internet, then Yes.
But then again the internet is full of vocal American Gamers. Each generation the GPUs get more expensive and games get less optimised, so it's actually becoming a bad experience.
Those same gamers enable that happenstance by voting with their wallet. We're talking i7-13700k with RTX 4080. Then they ask for the latest games, that aren't optimised, using Ultra Max Settings, getting 2160p resolution, and trying to get over 60fps. And when they can't get their way, they'll go on the internet and complain.
Yet if they were smarter, they would've gone with something more modest. For example, an r7-5800x3D with RX 6800, which is a big price and hardware difference. Then you simply dial those settings down to High, go for 1800p resolution, upscaled using FSR2, you can easily enjoy 60fps. We're talking imperceptible difference or negligible decrease in graphical fidelity. And if you wait for games to age a little, they'll get patches and optimised, will lose their DRM problem systems, will be discounted, etc etc. And then even older titles will run flawlessly. I guess there's people out there but they're too busy enjoying their games to go and complain on the interwebs.
Meanwhile, people with a PS5 won't complain, they will just enjoy their games. Unless they did a no-no and preordered something based on hype. Or someone flamebaited them into a console war.
For the owners of the ASUS ROG Ally Pro, things are even more constrained hardware wise. They should opt for 720p, Low Settings, and try to get 30fps locked. Anything extra, like 45-60fps, 900p-1080p, Custom-Medium Settings will be a bonus. Hopefully that's achievable with at least 2.0 hours of game time/battery life. There's three big thermal profiles for handheld systems; 8W Low, 13W Medium, and 18W High. Anything lower is only useful for very old titles or indie games. Anything higher has a very sharp negative effect on battery life (dropping steeply to 1.5h - 1.0h battery life).
Anyone with a Valve SteamDeck cannot really complain. They're on even more constrained hardware, and it's not an issue about quality, but rather if the game is supported in the first place (Linux vs Windows).
Don't bother with the deck, its out dated unless its $500. You get no warranty and no consumer law even of its an Aus seller.
Just spend abit more for the ROG ally, ur covered by warranty and if it breaks you know it will get fixed. Or theyll just srraigjt up exchange it.
The hardware is powerful almost like a current gen console and the software will get better with updates over time and improve battery life. U can also install Steam OS. Dual boot, do whatever u want
I don't think the statement that steam deck is outdated is fair, it performs as good with better battery at the same power rating (15w for instance - it's actually better at 10w). The OS is better optimised and in general the reviewers all agree the Ally has made some good moves but the steam deck as an overall package is better.
Warranty wise/less hassle/risk I agree with you. And also in my case another thing I need to consider is games library. I have gamepads ultimate and bunch of other games across other launchers and not many on Steam… Which means Ally would make more sense if I can get it with gift cards or on special etc.
What’s the go with the warranty? I though if you have an invoice from an Aussie abn you would be fine with normal claims?
Steam deck wouldnt be covered with warranty since they're mainly grey imports and resellers.
ROG ally is pretty much just every other Australian devices like iphones or consoles. Just jeepvthe receipt, You will be covered cuz of consumer laws
that is weird and crap that steam deck is unable to sell in Australia officially (despite been released since February 25, 2022)
while ASUS has enough stock to sell here upon release..
@pinkybrain: Valve probably still upset ACCC yanked their chain about refunds. They've always taken years to release their hardware here.
what if people want a console handheld and not a Laptop replacement….?
You think Steam Deck's hardware is the only thing it has going for it? Lmao
I pre ordered and you pay upfront or afterpay to secure it. There wasn't an option of leaving a deposit and paying the rest after with gift cards. Since its onlone exclusive.
Does anyone know how to get the discounted gift card and how to use it when it comes to pre orders please let us know 🙏 🙂
It needs to be priced the same as Switch to have an edge
It's already got an edge being much more powerful and user customisable.
Valve has already sold an estimated 3 million units so they're not having any trouble moving them
Maybe if the Switch could play the games the Steam Deck can play…
Is the pricing in this post correct? It seems to be suggesting you can combine two vouchers at checkout (which isn't possible with ebay)..
https://files.ozbargain.com.au/upload/104162/103783/screensh…
I tried SAVB8 on the 64gb and this was the result
I think topic starter forgot to mention that PWESNS coupon is for ebay+ only, and SAVB8 is expired in April ( ref - https://www.decentdeals.com.au/2023/ebay-com-au-savb8-code-8…)
SAVB8 was working fine yesterday when I checked, and a few people have already made purchases.
Got my steam deck about a few months ago for $870 based on 256gb version (Kogan), and already it is the most played device, way beyond switch, PC and PS5. Quick pause is absolutely a killer feature. Highly recommended this device. My only 2 recommendation for this device 1) better screen OLED perhaps 2) better battery. Graphic power is enough as it is. More graphical power will require shorten battery life or make it too bulky, not worth it.
yeah I still think they need to get the price down to what a switch OLED costs to really be a competitor against nintendo. 500 bucks for this model would be the sweet spot for this model.
With that logic, Nintendo needs to put the price down to AUD $100 to really be competitive. Since their hardware is 2014 technology, and even when docked it's way behind the Xbox One, let alone the PS5.
I think the Valve SteamDeck at AUD $600 is just fine where it is. But being a "grey import" it's tradition to see an extra AUD $200 added to the cost. Even the new ASUS ROG Ally Pro at an AUD $1,200 price isn't out of it's element. These things compete in different markets and different price brackets by design.
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