Whole Earth & Sea Multi $17 (Was $30) + $8.95 Delivery ($0 QLD/NSW C&C/ $99 Order) @ Gr8 Health

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wisdomtooth on 07/05/2023 - 21:35 gr8health.com.au (245 clicks)
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This has been my wife's and mine multi of choice for a few years now. It's mostly all made from food concentrates, not synthetics. It turns out vitamin sceptics were right to say vitamin pills were just expensive pee, but only bc mostly all OTC vitamins were — and still are! — synthetic (Swisse, Blackmore's, Centrum, etc). Synthetic vitamins are, almost always, ineffective at best, and detrimental at worst, often blocking methylation of their organic counterparts from food (as is the case of folic acid vs actual folate). But vitamins from food concentrates (or at least organically produced by yeast, e.g. Vitamin Code) is a whole different ballgame. From all I looked into, I've found these branded as Whole Earth & Sea (owned by Natural Factors) to be both the cleanest and amongst the best deal amongst the cleaner ones (they grow the ingredients themselves in their own organic farms in Canada, says their website). First I used to buy them from iHerb, where it's generally sold for $45 (minus the usual discounts), then I found it in a local health food store for $30 discounted to $24 once a month, so this is the best price I've seen yet. Delivery is $10 but is waived for orders above $99, which a 6 month order easily does, even with the introductory 5% discount (NEWSTART).

They currently have the Men's and the 50+ Men's multi for this price, as well as the Women's, but the latter is OOS. I had never heard of this merchant before, so can't vouch for them, but the website seems minimally competent. I guess I'll see how my order turns out in a few days.

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  M00Cow on 07/05/2023 - 22:29

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  It's mostly all made from food concentrates, not synthetics

  Sounds like marketing guff.

  It turns out vitamin sceptics were right to say vitamin pills were just expensive pee, but only bc mostly all OTC vitamins were — and still are! — synthetic. Synthetic vitamins are, almost always, ineffective at best, and detrimental at worst,

  Yes vitamin tablets are regarded by those in the field as expensive wee. But not because they're synthetic or made from mysterious food concerntrates.

  Sometimes the synthetics are better,.such as vitamin E.

  https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S001457939…

  Other vitamins are synthesised by the body itself . OMG, your body is poisoning you with synthesised chemicals!

  The reason vitamin supplements are regarded as not doing much is because the body absorbs/uses vitamins from the food..most they are absorbed in the intestines. The food usually contains chemicals, vitamins, minerals, trace elements which assist in this absorption, This is why pills often dont work so well.

  Some people need vitamin pills. But the vast majority don't and are way better off using the cheaper, better alternative of actually eating food that contains the vitamins & minerals they need.

  Some light reading
  https://theconversation.com/the-sun-goes-down-on-vitamin-d-w…

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    wisdomtooth on 07/05/2023 - 23:36

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    The food usually contains chemicals, vitamins, minerals, trace elements which assist in this absorption, This is why pills often dont work so well.

    Hence why all vitamins are recommended to be taken with food. It's not so much that the food itself has chemicals that aid in the absorption, as these could easily be bundled with the vitamin, but that we need enzymes (in the case of amino acids) and bile (in the case of the fat-soluble vitamins A, D, E & K) to digest them. So, no, that's not why pills often dont work so well. It's synthetic vitamins that are not easily digested, absorbed and metabolised; they're false substitutes to the real deal.

    the vast majority don't [need vitamin pills] and are way better off using the cheaper, better alternative of actually eating food that contains the vitamins & minerals they need.

    That's a false dichotomy. No one — literally no one! — advocates replacing food with pills. Yet, nutrition deficiencies are widespread and rampant, even in rich countries, and even amongst affluent people with access to healthy produce and information about healthy eating. Why? Bc soils have been depleted of the plant nutrients needed to produce animal nutrients (most notably vit B12), not to mention the poor density of nutrients in factory farming and industrial food production.

    Yes vitamin tablets are regarded by those in the field as expensive wee.

    The field of medical doctors, you mean, i.e. "doctors" specialised in pushing medicine, i.e. drugs, rather than health. Yeah, sure, they regard supplements are expensive wee. They also think hydrogenated soybean oil spread, i.e. margarine, is healthier than butter (and not long ago they were adamant eggs raised cholesterol and that coconut oil caused heart disease, not to mention the more glaring fiasco of the tobacco years).

    mysterious food concerntrates

    Nothing "mysterious" about them; you can see which they are on the label: vit C from acerola, vit D3 from lichen, vit K2 from natto, etc.

    OMG, your body is poisoning you with synthesised chemicals!

    Such a rookie argument 🙄 No one calls synthetics substances organically synthesised; it obviously refers to those generated by inorganic chemical reactions in a lab (e.g. ascorbic acid from corn syrup, acetone and hydrochloric acid).

    Sounds like marketing guff.

    To someone who doesn't understand the difference, I'm sure it does. That much is clear from the reference you provided to say that "sometimes the synthetics are better,.such as vitamin E," which you evidently did not understand, and rather corroborates precisely what I said:

    Synthetic vitamin E (all rac-α-tocopherol), which contains 8 different stereoisomers resulting from 3 chiral centers in the phytyl tail, is less biologically potent than the naturally occurring form, RRR-α-tocopherol [14]. Because the α-CEHC metabolite arises from the truncation of the phytyl tail and its excretion increases in response to `excess' vitamin E, we hypothesized that all rac-α-tocopherol might be metabolized to α-CEHC more readily than the natural form.

    IOW, synthetic vit E is less potent than natural vit E bc it's less bioavailable, hence why our bodies more readily get rid of it as — you guessed it — expensive wee.

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  pacific on 07/05/2023 - 23:10

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  The Conversation is hardly a credible rebuttal source on any topic - it’s content is mostly lefty gibberish based on feelings not truths.

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    blackfrancis75 on 08/05/2023 - 00:07

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    *citation needed

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      pizzaguy on 08/05/2023 - 01:07

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      A tinfoil hat protects from citation spells!

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  wormarts on 08/05/2023 - 00:25

  The coredct form of vitamin. Is also important.

  I recommend Thorne. Expensive, but hard to criticise what they include in their tablets.

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    wisdomtooth on 08/05/2023 - 07:15

    True. No use taking magnesium oxide, for instance, which is what is sold in cheaper magnesium formulations, unless what one really wants is a laxative. Or calcium carbonate, which is not only not bioavailable, as it is mineral, instead of organic, calcium, but increases CVD risk. Or K1 instead of K2 (not to mention the whole MK4 vs MK7 debacle!).

    Indeed, I vaguely remember Thorne being good quality, from when I looked into it years ago, but definitely not the best deal.

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  Mr BoMBAStiG on 08/05/2023 - 06:22

  OP, any suggestions of brands with high quality DHA in Australia? Preferably not from fish.

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    wisdomtooth on 08/05/2023 - 06:59

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    How about krill? We're fortunate to be near where the krill is caught here, and it's fairly cheap at Chemist Warehouse. We generally buy Bioglan's but Microgenics' 60 x 1000mg is at $19 atm at CW.

    Unless you want a vegan option, then you'll have to buy algae ones, which I surprisingly found to be more expensive.

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      Mr BoMBAStiG on 08/05/2023 - 12:32

      I've been told that algae sources are less likely to suffer from oxidation.

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        wisdomtooth on 09/05/2023 - 08:47

        If that is true, then it's a negative, not a positive:

        The Omega-3s all have properties that they are easily oxidized and thus will go rancid quickly unless refrigerated to retard that process. It matters not if the Omega-3 come from algae, flax-seed, or marine animal.

        Just think about it for a minute, the reason why the Omega-3s go rancid so easily and quickly are that they are natural fatty acids untreated by man to extend storage properties. If they were rancid-resistant as many of the processed plant oils are that are found on the shelf with storage dates extending to months, if not years is simply the fact that even common microorganisms cannot easily utilize them or they are not easily oxidized when in contact with the atmospheric air. If they can’t easily be metabolized by common microorganism contamination like those man-processed oils, our physiology sure can’t use them either! I suppose what I am saying is that the quality of rancidity found in these valuable compounds is what makes them valuable to humans. (Douglas Ahart)

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  wisdomtooth on 10/05/2023 - 12:03

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  Independently of the whole supplementation discussion above, my experience with this store — a first — has been terrible so far. First, it turns out the vitamins were reduced bc they're about to expire, in less than 3 months (which is rather short for vitamins in general, when each bottle is tyoically meant to last 1-3 months), with no such info on their website. Then, as soon as I realise they sent it via Aramex, not Auspost, I msg'd them to deliver at my home instead of my parcel collect address at the LPO (Auspost doesn't take Aramex deliveries — do they? — though they own Aramex Australia, no?). They delivered to the PO anyway 🤦🏼‍♂️ All I got was an auto-reply saying "we haven't received it yet; we can't give an ETA" — not at all what I was asking — and then another saying "we delivered at PO anyway." Now, I'll have to chase it up to see whether it's still at the PO, to only then return it 🙄