Very good price!
Portability meets power. We partnered with AMD to create Steam Deck's custom APU, optimized for handheld gaming. It is a Zen 2 + RDNA 2 powerhouse, delivering more than enough performance to run the latest AAA games in a very efficient power envelope.
Enjoy!
It's all from China…………
+1 for your username.
Look at me. 我们现在是中国人
There's no such thing as an Aussie Steam Deck, if that's what you're asking. All of the Steam Deck deals posted on Ozbargain are technically "Overseas" models.
There is no geo-restriction on Steam Decks (it's just a console shaped Linux computer) but there are implications for warranty and product returns. ]I.e need to look with each specific retailer what their policy is given that these are obviously international units.
No i'm asking if this stock is here or do i have to wait for it to ship from china
This is an eBay Plus item and for me the Australia Post Express Parcel shipping is estimated at 2 working days, and it's apparently located in Brisbane.
Note the eBay Plus criteria is that the item must have the following:
So if you see an item that is marked with eBay Plus badge it's stocked here in Au.
@scrimshaw: Okay, thanks friend, i guess this is a risk investment in regards to warranty and having issues with it, i am sure it will be a pain to solve
@scrimshaw: I understand the confusion as well because rather dodgingly the eBay seller has this down the bottom - trying to somewhat circumvent the criteria they need to meet for eBay Plus
"Disclaimer. We can not guarantee that the information on this page is 100%correct
If we are out of stock in Australian warehouse then we will ship from Overseas warehouse"
If the steam deck was made in Australia I’d wonder if I can trust it at alow price like that. Stink brain.
There's no such thing as an Aussie Steam Deck
Not entirely true.
One time, I accidentally farted in a Steam room and a guy yell "do that again and I'll f***in deck ya!".
I'm glad you corrected him, Aussie steam decked
deck or d1ck?
the second this becomes a reliable replacement for my PC, i'm on it like flies on sh
Plug it into a dock w/ KB+M+monitor, use desktop mode and it's a (Linux) PC.
I even ran Windows on mine and docked you couldn't tell it was running on a handheld. Different story when gaming of course.
yeah it's the gaming part i value the most unfortunately.
Gotcha. I wouldn't want to be playing any games at >1080p on it, unless you're mainly into indies or retro emulation.
Proliferation of mid-tier powered gaming rigs means that the game dev market will make plenty of games to service it. Nintendo switch has outlasted by years what I thought it would do.
My use case for these devices is gaming on the toilet lol. It's a comfortable experience, I don't use my pc much nowadays thanks to the convenience.
It's basically the same thing as watching a video on tv vs on phone. You find yourself watching 20 min youtube videos on phone all the time.
And it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks.
Because you don't give a shit.
Wow, I sht multiple times a day so I need to be relatively quick lol
@Wonderfool: Haha, I’d be lucky to get the game loaded and then be done. Rinse repeat about three times a day lol. (Had some life saving surgery, so this is a fair compromise)
100% disagree. It's been the best PC related purchase I've ever done since the mid 90s.
Game developers don't make games for 4090 users. They make games for the masses hardware. Steak Deck is fast becoming that.
How would you like your Steak Deck done?
OMGWTFBBQ
Yep totally agree, they make games for consoles which this is basically one of them and as the user base grows so will the development for it, the switch shouldnt be able to run anything at this point but it still can because of the interest in reaching that user base.
Also considering this is based on AMD APU which has been very good, the next iteration which is the 7800U is based on RDNA3 that can very well give you decent low 1080p and run as a desktop (assuming Steamdeck upgrades to it or the next iteration of it at some point).
i think some 2023 games and beyond are going to not to be that great on steam deck, no matter what you wish..
just the nature of hardware and you can only do so much as it ages
unless the graphics gets dial really low and it won't look as good or performance will not be great (if visuals not lowered).
Steak Deck market share is still not that big compared to other GPUs or consoles sold
Game developers don't make games for 4090 users
game devs make games for the biggest market ie consoles (ps5, ps4, xbox)
even then they can only do so much for aging hardware of the older consoles..
PS4 is probably still the biggest market share right now but the games made for next gen and ported on it aren't doing as good unfortunately..
This is will be the steam deck future as well
since it is more like a ps4/pro (not ps5) in terms of power
@pinkybrain: And I'll 100% disagree, the market is heading in a big way towards portable gaming PCs right now, Steam Deck will always likely be the best in that field thanks to their ability to subsidise the cost.
Developers will continue to develop for it. Even Valve doesn't wanna release a follow-up in a hurry as they don't wanna split the market.
As above too, Switch is proof.
Power isn't anywhere near as important when it's a tiny low resolution screen. Many have adjusted and quite love the look already.
Also, factor in the huge rising costs of developing AAA games these days, and the LOOOOONG lead in times, in many cases well over 5 years of development…. all these things point towards Steam Deck excelling.
The difference between the last 2 console generations has also shown how little people really care about the visuals side of it too…. the SSD improvements have far outweighed any visual fidelity bumps so far.
And I'll 100% disagree, the market is heading in a big way towards portable gaming PCs right now, Steam Deck will always likely be the best in that field thanks to their ability to subsidise the cost.
do you have proof of this statement.. " the market is heading in a big way towards portable gaming PCs"
portable gaming handheld e.g.switch is not the same as portable gaming pc ..
portability gaming has always had a market share (3DS, switch, psp, nds, gameboy)
portable gaming pc is still a niche market
the biggest market right now is still
-consoles
also if a kid was at ebgames, the mother more likely to get the kid a switch than steam deck (which is not available and if it was, switch would still be cheaper and more portable and also has more child friendly games)
Developers will continue to develop for it. Even Valve doesn't wanna release a follow-up in a hurry as they don't wanna split the market.
well it is not quite right what you are saying.
devs develop for consoles and ports to pc.
and some pc only games..
steam deck is consider a portable pc so there is nothing that should stop those games working on it except for
performance issues and valve needs to make it compatible for the steam deck.
just because it can run on the steam deck does not mean it will run well (future games) unless the visuals get dial down to really low.
also remember games develop for switch and pc gaming (also steam deck) are different.
switch = nintendo knows the switch limitation, so most of the games they make will suit their specs (to get their best performance and visuals)
ports from other consoles will not look as great to get more performance.
Power isn't anywhere near as important when it's a tiny low resolution screen. Many have adjusted and quite love the look already.
it is ..
if you want to run the latest games at best performance (60fps) and highest visuals settings and resolution.
this is a funny ironic statement since many are praising the steam deck because of how much more powerful it is compared to the switch.
they are saying games like doom eternal visuals and performance is so much better on the steam deck compared to the switch version (which had to be compromised down)
Many have adjusted and quite love the look already.
Of course you would have adjusted and love it
what other choice do you have?
But if you had a more powerful system that can run at 60 fps at 1080p, you wouldn't choose that?
Also, factor in the huge rising costs of developing AAA games these days, and the LOOOOONG lead in times, in many cases well over 5 years of development…. all these things point towards Steam Deck excelling.
statement is meaningless and does not point towards whether the steam deck excelling or not.
how you make that conclusion is questionable.
also you are forgetting we living in high inflation right now?
many people don't have disposable income to buy these machines
and or need to make choice between handheld (ps4/ps4 pro like power) or ps5
The difference between the last 2 console generations has also shown how little people really care about the visuals side of it too…. the SSD improvements have far outweighed any visual fidelity bumps so far.
how you know people don't care about visuals?
alot of people choose ps5 is because of the visual improvement (4k, 60fps, ray tracing) not because of the SSD loading times..
SSD loading times is just one of the best benefit of the next gen features which people are enjoying.
Sadly though many people are now realizing that you can enable all three (4k, 60fps, ray tracing) at the same time.
So you need to choose between visuals or performance.
Most people don't really care if a games loads in 1 min vs 10 seconds… this is the reality.
Most people aren't in shops going oh wow, the ps5 loading time is like 5 seconds
this is the reason why I must have it.
They are buying because of the visuals and the games.
Visuals is what people can see immediately and can compare to their last console.
Fast loading times is what you can feel, but not the main reason why people would buy PS5 or Xbox Series X etc..
This also going to be proven when Microsoft release their DirectStorage feature for PC gaming.
If people had to choose between getting new GPU or NVMe storage for DirectStorage,
what do you think most people are likely to going to get?
@pinkybrain: Geez mate, I'm not reading an essay.
Why do you think there are dozens of portable machines coming out? It's the in thing now……
4k 60 with Ultra settings isn't something that the average Joe cares about. They just wanna have fun.
You seriously overestimate how much people care about ultra high end. The first few years of this generation are the most underwhelming of all time, and it'll get worse next gen. Load times is about all most would notice. Not everyone watches digital foundry and compares PS4 pro and PS5 side by side on a $5k TV.
Gaming demographic is NOTHING like it was pre Wii/DS/Mobile.
Geez mate, I'm not reading an essay.
funny when people they say that just means
you just don't have an good counter arguments to what was said
since most of your first arguments were refuted.
4k 60 with Ultra settings isn't something that the average Joe cares about. They just wanna have fun.
and you think average joe cares more that are their game is loading in 10 seconds instead a minute
over the games looking better than the their last console?
You seriously overestimate how much people care about ultra high end. The first few years of this generation are the most underwhelming of all time, and it'll get worse next gen. Load times is about all most would notice.
worse next gen?
what are you smoking man?
visuals and performance is where most consoles doing most of the marketing
-4k
-60fps
-ray tracing
fast loading is great but not something average joe gives a crap about when deciding to buy a next gen console
ie whether it loads in 10 seconds or 1 minute etc
No one at ebgames or whatever store is buying a PS5 is saying " I am buying this cos it can load games in 10 seconds vs my old ps4 which takes 1 minute etc" LOL
they are buying it cos it looks much better than than their ps4
they want to see how great it looks on their OLED or 4k TV..ie visuals
if you say otherwise then you are just fooling yourself for the sake of maintaining your flawed argument.
As I have said
This also going to be proven when Microsoft release their DirectStorage feature for PC gaming.
If people had to choose between getting new GPU or NVMe storage for DirectStorage,
what do you think most people are likely to going to get?
@pinkybrain: Again with a long rant I'm not reading.
I get it, you care about graphics.
Good for you.
I'd rather play something fun. I'd rather my 6yo daughter plays with me. That's what Steam Deck is. Likewise Switch.
Lock yourself in a room, enjoy yourself, good for you. Up your settings, perdy Ray Tracing…..
New consoles don't look much better. The improvements are minuscule.
The only flawed argument is the guy ignoring the 100m plus Switch Sales and the Steam Deck being sold out for purchase for an eternity.
@pinkybrain: Games will still support lower tier hardware for quite a while. Lower specced hardware makes up a significant portion of what is out there - you can check this https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/.
@ihfree: never said game won't support lower tier hardware..
it just means those games will have lower/lowest settings for visuals etc.. for performance.
or leaving it high/best but performance suffers and it is not enjoyable experience.
even ps5 had market spec for
-4k
-60fps
-ray tracing..
but many are realizing now, it cannot be done all at once.
you need to choose visual or performance.
@pinkybrain: Games should still be fun with lower quality settings. Many games don't even experience the highest visual settings. Besides, the difference in quality isn't as big as you would expect.
You're always making some sort of trade-off between performance and quality with available GPU power. Once you add in the fact that you're on a portable device, battery life also becomes a consideration.
I've played HP legacy on both my desktop and Steam Deck and it is playable on both. That I can play the game with reduced quality on a train is pretty damn impressive. What will be interesting with HP legacy is that it will release on Switch so some sort of comparison can be made. Given my experience with the Switch and games like Overcooked 2 and Portal, I imagine it would be more pleasant on the Steam Deck.
Despite all your ranting against the Steam Deck as it is, it is one of the best portable solutions for portable gaming and arguably the next solution for portable PC gaming. There isn't anything on the horizon anytime soon. So, i you want 4K, 60Hz with ray tracing, you may as well HODL even with a desktop until the technology is more reasonably priced.
I've played HP legacy on both my desktop and Steam Deck and it is playable on both. That I can play the game with reduced quality on a train is pretty damn impressive. What will be interesting with HP legacy is that it will release on Switch so some sort of comparison can be made. Given my experience with the Switch and games like Overcooked 2 and Portal, I imagine it would be more pleasant on the Steam Deck.
it is struggling to run this now at 30 fps, dipping to 25 fps (not nice experience) according to this video
https://youtu.be/_vVhyPs49no?t=73
need to lower the settings to make it run stable
so not good prospect for the deck in 1 to 2 years..
Despite all your ranting against the Steam Deck as it is, it is one of the best portable solutions for portable gaming and arguably the next solution for portable PC gaming. There isn't anything on the horizon anytime soon. So, i you want 4K, 60Hz with ray tracing, you may as well HODL even with a desktop until the technology is more reasonably priced.
no ranting
just stating how I feel about the machine
it is a great portable gaming pc in terms of design and spec..
just concern about it's future in 1 to 2 years time
when current game like HP Legacy is barely able to run at 30 fps stable (25 fps dips not nice) according to this video
and need to dial down the settings or some steam deck settings to make it run stable at 30 fps..
It's performance is not great, its basically PS4 - PS4 Pro level power in a handheld.
PS4 to PS4 Pro level performance in a handheld? sounds great to me.
at this price, if power and visual is what you want
then PS5 would be better.
if you like portable gaming then this is better
though the battery life is not that great and is not pocketable so it is less portable (unless you carry it in a bag)
portable - adjective
defintion: able to be easily carried or moved, especially because being of a lighter and smaller version than usual.
Yep I think it's portable by definition.
So when you say "less portable" are you comparing it to a ps5?
When you say "battery life is not that great" is that also compared to a ps5?
So when you say "less portable" are you comparing it to a ps5?
no…
comparing to being able to pocket it without needing to carry a bag around with you.
this handheld will always need to have a bag to carry it around with you (either backpack or using the console carry case).
The console is alot more bulkier and heavier than most other handhelds.
so it is less portable compared to some other handhelds that can at least fit in your pants pocket (e.g. large cargo pants pocket can fit a switch etc).
Some people don't want to always carry a bag around with them when they are travelling.
When you say "battery life is not that great" is that also compared to a ps5?
again no..
just compare it to some other handhelds e.g. switch still has better battery life.
it's been reported by reviewers that you can expect 1.5 to 2hrs on a very intensive game on the steam deck..
so you will need to take a battery pack as well
which makes it even less portable.
===
these are comments are about portability and battery life of steam deck not power or visuals
@pinkybrain: You are right on size, though, I personally wouldn't consider a switch pocketable.
Battery life is dependent on what you play. For example, 83m to 7h 9m when tested by PC Gamer this article. The Switch also isn't as great as you think - some users report 2-3 hours at the low end of battery life with the original Switch.
The Switch can't even play a "very intensive game." There is obviously a trade-off of battery life running intensive PC games. There is also a much bigger range of games that you can play on the Steam Deck. Any game ported to the switch is massively cut down to run on what is essentially old mobile phone hardware.
You are right on size, though, I personally wouldn't consider a switch pocketable.
switch is more pocketable than a steam deck.
switch is lighter and thinner
and can fit in cargo pants..
steam deck pocketable?
fuhgeddaboudit
Battery life is dependent on what you play.
people here have said that getting 1.5 hrs is very likely on an intensive game on the deck
people have compare switch and steam battery and switch just always comes out on top by a few hours.
The Switch can't even play a "very intensive game." There is obviously a trade-off of battery life running intensive PC games. There is also a much bigger range of games that you can play on the Steam Deck. Any game ported to the switch is massively cut down to run on what is essentially old mobile phone hardware.
some people don't need intensive games and what is consider intensive?
some people also prefer fun games while on the move or on the train etc..
of course ports for switch will always be crap compare to the deck
cos it is not as powerful and aging hardware, not sure what is the point of that comment.
but the first party games on the switch will generally run good and look good on it.
There is also a much bigger range of games that you can play on the Steam Deck.
depends on how big your steam deck library is
people here have said that getting 1.5 hrs is very likely on an intensive game on the deck
people have compare switch and steam battery and switch just always comes out on top by a few hours.
Link?
some people don't need intensive games and what is consider intensive?
You used the term - what does it mean to you.
some people also prefer fun games while on the move or on the train etc..
yeah, the Steam deck caters for that.
but the first party games on the switch will generally run good and look good on it.
They do considering the hardware. The Steam Deck massively out performs the switch graphically, likely with any game that is ~10 years old or newer. It is easy to pick up good looking games cheaply.
depends on how big your steam deck library is
Yeah, that's not how it works. It's about the number of games that the console can run. The Steam Deck absolutely smashes the Switch. It can even stream games from a PS5 and technically includes the Switch Library.
I'm not really sure what your argument is. If it's an expectation of 4K/60hz/Ray tracing, that's not even available in a gaming laptop(on battery). By the time that is available in a handheld, the next big thing will be available and Handhelds will still be behind.
Link?
https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/764527/comments
you even said it yourself in thread, or did you forget?
for 1.5 to 2 hours
Your own quote
"That's for a more demanding game. There are games that achieve much better."
Yeah, that's not how it works. It's about the number of games that the console can run. The Steam Deck absolutely smashes the Switch. It can even stream games from a PS5 and technically includes the Switch Library.
in a way it is..
if your steam library is not big, then you going to have pay for more games to build up the library
else you only got what you have in the library to play with
unless you load emulators..
So you can only play what you got in your library, doesn't matter what it can play.
also most of those big library of games are old games…
if you talking about newer and unique games, then there are more games release for consoles and switch etc..
pc will need to wait for the port of the console unless it is a multi release game.
even then most of the most newer games will likely need to lower the settings in game or make some steam settings hacks to make it run at a decent 30 fps (which is nothing to be proud of)
I'm not really sure what your argument is. If it's an expectation of 4K/60hz/Ray tracing,
the point of my comments/arguments is that the steam deck is great portable gaming pc for NOW..
but there is concerns about how long this will last within 1 to 2 years time..
considering that some game/s e.g. HP Legacy is barely able to run at 30 fps NOW (with 25 fps dips)
and that requires running at low settings and doing some steam settings hacks (lower FSR+ refresh rate) to get it run stable at 30 fps
As a person (considering buying one, including myself) this is something to be concern about..
Also games built for consoles and switch,
devs know the limitation of those machines, so will make the games built for that console limitations..
and as the console gets older, devs will learn how to better develop for that machine..
hence why some of the best looking games came out near the consoles last years etc..
With PC gaming and steam deck
devs are either porting console games to PC
or with PC only games, they are building for the best GPU available (ie highest setting turn on, ray tracing, fps etc)
then adding lower quality settings so it can run on lowest most owned GPU (that support some feature) and have a cut off GPU (that will not run that game)..
If steam deck turns out to be lowest PC/GPU that devs will ensure their future games runs on,
it will have very low quality settings (look crap) just so it can run the games (at hopefully 30 fps, which is not something to be proud of)
At least with consoles and even a switch
you know that the first party game will be able to run and be playable
and looks pretty good even at the end of it's life (except for poor pc ports)
because the devs built the games for the device knowing their limitations..
ie. A first party game on consoles (ps5, xbox series X)
or first party nintendo game will still look good and run great or okay even at the end of it's life (by lowering some settings)
e.g. PS4 vs PS4 Pro version of the same game
With the steam deck, it will actually be the opposite due to the point I mention.. about the limitation is actually the highest quality setting for best GPU available then lower settings for the lowest GPU most used.
So therefore the games are not going to look or run great on steam in 1 to 2 years time
let alone now e.g. HP Legacy.
@pinkybrain: You have an extremely confused argument with mental gymnastics. You've already shown yourself to be dishonest with the Switch/SteamDeck battery life - optimal for the Switch/worst case for the Steam Deck.
All devices are good for their specific niches. The Steam Deck is a pretty damn good device for what it is and realistically, there isn't anything on the horizon. All your doing is speculating.
In my personal opinion, a gaming PC is still the best purchase for a value perspective(though I've seen a strong case made for Xbox with Gamepass) but that discussion or even discussion about a PS5 doesn't really belong on a deal for a Steam Deck.
Well it's a bit less than a Pro performance wise but it's not going to keep up with games in the near future, it can't even run some games now. Portability and gaming on the go is the number 1 reason you would buy this. If you are just at home, it would be ridiculous not to just spend the money on a PS5 or Series X etc. Unless you have money to burn but then why not just have a proper gaming PC if money is no issue? For most people's needs, it's really not needed.
@Justin9mm: I have all the consoles, including a Switch Lite.
I also have a 3080 gaming PC.
Gaming PC has never been touched since I got the Steam Deck. My wife and 6yo daughter wouldn't go near it… they absolutely love the Deck.
The sheer convenience of having everything on tap, wherever you are in the house or out and about, far outweighs the benefits of sitting in a Study, on a desk, isolated by yourself with pretty visuals IMO.
@scuderiarmani: Let me picture this, you are sitting or lying down at home holding the steam deck on a much smaller screen with inferior controls to a console controller, playing AAA games in lower resolution @ sub 60fps in comparison to sitting or laying on the couch looking at potentially a 65+ TV screen in 60+ fps in Dynamic 4K? Yeah I call utter BS! Sounds like if you have all those platforms and you prefer the deck, you either have a really bad setup/space for your PC and/or consoles, or you're not telling the whole truth, something doesn't add up. I get the portability of it, but trying to convince me that this is better than having all the consoles and a high end gaming PC at home is ridiculous lmao.
you are sitting or lying down at home holding the steam deck on a much smaller screen with inferior controls to a console controller, playing AAA games in lower resolution
I've done exactly that. I have a 3070 gaming PC and a PS5. There's also nothing wrong with my PC/PS5 setup. I also quite like the Steam Deck's controllers.
@Justin9mm: You say it like I should care less?
100 million people bought a Switch.
They don't give 2 fks about 4k 60fps. They care about games and having fun.
You lock yourself in a room, order Carl's Jr on uber, stock up on energy drinks and have the time of your life.
I have a LG C2 42 Monitor. I have a 65 C1 in my daughters games room.
The Switch on a 'lesser' 75 Non OLED Sony gets 1000 times more use. The Steam Deck is fast catching up.
Also all setups have VERY high end audio connected. All are comfortable. So yeah?
trying to convince me that this is better than having all the consoles and a high end gaming PC at home is ridiculous lmao.
I don't think anybody is doing this?
Personally as somebody who only really games on a PC and sometimes the switch while travelling for a specific game think this is the perfect compliment to my desktop. I don't get priority on the home TV's between kids and wife, this means I can lie in bed and play my steam library while the wife watches the latest reality TV series.
I would likely still play the AAA titles on my home machine, but if I look at some of my recent games - Inscryption, Manifold Garden, The Curse of the Golden Idol etc all indie titles that would play perfectly well on the steam deck and perfect for lying in bed.
@Justin9mm: yeah between choice between PS5 / Series X or steam deck (similar pricing bracket)
it would be better to choice PS5 etc for long term gaming performance..
As mention and seen,
steam deck is struggling to run HP legacy at 30 fps with dips to 25fps without needing lower the settings and do more adjustments
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vVhyPs49no
can't imagine what would be like within 1 to 2 years time.
At least with PS5, we know will run for a few more years more or to the end of it's life
even if there is a PS5 Pro etc.
it is only good if you do a lot of travelling on trains etc..
portability wise, you will always need to bring backpack or steam deck carry case
so it is much less portable than some other handhelds
@pinkybrain: I'll tell you what it'll be like in 2 years…. It'll still play 99.9% of compatible PC games ever made perfectly fine.
The trains argument is beyond rediculous. I use mine at home and have zero intentions to take it out on public transport. If anything, it'll more likely never leave my house. Like my Switch Lite.
I'll tell you what it'll be like in 2 years…. It'll still play 99.9% of compatible PC games ever made perfectly fine.
We are talking about newly release games in 1 to 2 years time, not talking about all the games ever released.
It can barely run HP Legacy at below 30 fps
and dips at 25 fps NOW..
https://youtu.be/_vVhyPs49no?t=117
But yes, just shut your eyes and keep telling yourself that..
https://a-z-animals.com/media/2022/09/shutterstock_281368427…
The trains argument is beyond rediculous If anything, it'll more likely never leave my house. Like my Switch Lite.
what is ridiculous about it?
if you never intend to use it as portable (take it out) then could just play the console (PS5) on big screen TV while lying on the couch..
Also why you bought 42" C2 OLED +3080 if you are not gaming on it?
Seems like you buying stuff just for the sake of buying (FOMO) rather than actually needing it.
@pinkybrain: Seems like you don't understand that people can buy what they want and use it how they want.
No one cares about how the Steam Deck runs HP. It's the best thing that's happened to PC gaming in years.
Clearly you have no interest in it, so wtf are you here for except to knock other people's purchases?
@scuderiarmani: No one's knocking your purchase, I think you are missing the point. The steam deck for the average person sitting at home 100% of the time is not the most practical purchase compared to other options. You obviously are well off but the average consumer is not in this situation.
@Justin9mm: Don't lie. You mocked it many times.
I'm not well off. I spend money on areas I like, I don't buy a Tesla every 2nd year… I don't go on overseas flights every year…
Everyone has choices.
Nothing wrong with someone using the Deck at home. Many here enjoy it in bed. Hell of alot better using it in a lounge instead of isolating yourself in a study…
@scuderiarmani: I'm arguing against its value vs performance, and you were the one who jumped into the comments about having everything and basically only using it at home. Majority of people are not in your situation with having all gaming platforms/devices.
You seem to also have a disconnect with the reality of what justifies being well off, having all the consoles and a higher end gaming PC, OLED TV's and purchasing a steam deck on top of all that is the very definition of living well. Not living well is not affording luxury items, not being able to afford your power bill, having to budget for a weekly shop because you may not have enough money before you get paid again. If you are not well off and you are purchasing these things, then you are financially not a smart person. So which one is it?
@Justin9mm: Wtf are you still responding? You don't like the Deck, you are here to shit on me and others who do. Now you are being personal.
You don't know my circumstances. They are very unique. I don't go out. I don't drink. I don't pig out on takeaway. I'm not justifying my position to you.
@Justin9mm: Honestly, it's not even that bad of a device for use at home. I use mine on public transport and occasionally out and about. My primary usage is at home and for the moment, it has replaced gaming on other devices. If it was my only device, it wouldn't be the worst thing.
As long as you know what you're buying, there's not really any issue with it. People need to stop banging on about desktops on tablet, console and laptop deals.
@ihfree: Yeah I get that but I can't get my head around the price vs a current gen console if you only had to have one. Yes, steam deck gives you more freedom but performance for the price really is lacking. Still, if people are happy with that then they are happy but it doesn't make sense to me if you are at home and can only have one gaming device. Your paying just as much money for an inferior experience. I guarantee you, in 3-4 years time, maybe less, the steam deck will be sitting in a draw while the Series X, PS5 and current higher performing gaming PC will still be relevant. It's just not powerful enough to justify the cost. But people can spend their money however they wish, in an economy, where majority are middle class, it's just not a smart financial purchase.
@Justin9mm: I don't really feel it is too hard a device to get your head around.
Even looking at the ROG Ally which is coming up - i'd speculate that it will have a significantly higher price and it also lacks touchpads, Steam OS.
I guarantee you, in 3-4 years time…
I wouldn't be so sure.
It's just not powerful enough to justify the cost
The Switch also exists and is a much less powerful option.
Series X, PS5 and current higher performing gaming PC
Once again. A desktop or device that connects to a wall has some big advantages. They don't have to worry about battery or space. You need to compare them to what else is in the Handheld space and in that regard the Steam Deck shines.
A high end gaming PC is going to cost at least double the Steam Deck, requires peripherals and space. Families may also be limited to a single TV so there are reasons beyond the portability that the steam deck may be wanted.
Hopefully, the average Ozbargainer is smart enough to understand that trade-off if they need to save space or need portability and if they're not, then, a fool and their money. It's redundant and annoying to compare every computing device to a desktop.
@ihfree: Switch is a different market, just because it's also a portable handheld gaming device does not mean they are comparable, majority of Switch owners are people who are fans of Nintendo and its games or kids. Steam Deck is technically completely different device for different needs other than portability. Also, I was not comparing to desktop, my main argument was basically, why this over a PS5 or Series X if you are just a home? And all the reasons stated by you and scuderiarmani as to why you would own one apart from portability are in the minority. Most people will be buying this because they just want one on top of everything else they have or they need the portability. People can do whatever they want that's fine but I will always believe that its a bad purchase if you are more than a casual gamer, you don't need the portability and you have the choice of other options for your money.
The fact that it has a "non user removable" battery makes its not very good as a desktop replacement. Leaving battery powered devices plugged in is not good for the wellness of the battery.
I thought this was a myth
It degrades the battery over time if you leave it constantly plugged in.
@xoom: By the time that happens there will be other issues, or it'll just be so damn old you wouldn't care less about the 10-20% capacity change..
@scuderiarmani: Much like phones if you swap phones constantly. You wont notice it happening. But if you are one to own a phone for at least 5 years or more. You will notice it.
@xoom: Yeah I noticed with my old Note 8, but that also has a reputation.
But I'd hardly consider it a deal breaker for the whole device.
I don't change the way I use my phones/devices at all to try preserve batteries. I am also of the belief that's not AS big an issue as it once was, pretty sure some of the big Tech Youtubers have tested it in recent times.
It's bad for a battery to be at 100% all the time.
My Nitro 5 laptop, which I use as a desktop replacement, gives me an option to keep the battery at 80%.
They got pass through charging. So when battery doesn't need to be charged it will get it's power directly from plug
Yes but the battery always gets trickle charged. That's why it's always at 100% when you unplug it.
When the 2nd iteration with OLED and better battery comes along, it'll be my first PC in a decade.
Not a bad price, would be at most 50 bucks more than what it'll officially launch in Australia as. Hard pressed to find alternative too, gpd win 4 and aya neo geek base models all sold out.
what it'll officially launch in Australia as
Is there a solid rrp now? (I dont follow pricing news anymore as already have a 256 model)
Australians prob need lube for the official price. I wouldn’t expect it any less, more likely more.
Nah, I'm just basing on the usual 15-20% electronics mark up
you can pre-order it at Big W for a $1699 … lol
Holy shit Aya sure is ripping us a new one.
Worth paying more for the 256gb model just for the matte screen? Or just snap up 64gb with a 1tb SD?
Matte is 512? Fwiw, I did.
Though I'll still upgrade storage one day.
Get the base model. Thanks to steam deck selling over a million units, 2230 ssds would see massive competition in the next year or so.
get the 64gb and put a 512/1tb drive in it for +$100AUD. much cheaper. also it's personal preference but I like the look of the gloss screen more.
gloss screen has bad reflection
it has sharper image but the colours is not as vibrant as the 512GB
still the screen needs to be an OLED for bigger improvement
steam deck 2 would likely be able to do
-60fps 1080p or 4k playing on the screen
-OLED screen
-improve battery life ? (1.5 to 2 hrs is bad for some intensive games)
unfortunately need to wait, possibly 4 years or more if they treat this like a console
would good if they treated it like a phone (yearly cycle) or pc (upgradeable parts besides ssd)
I think you’re missing the point of the Steam Deck. The built in screen is relatively high DPI, and given its small size, quality settings don’t matter as much. It uses ~15W peak - even laptop GPUs are at least double that.
Sure, technology will progress in the next couple of years, but the Deck is great as it is. Personally, I’ve found myself playing a lot more indie/Metroidvania games that I wouldn’t have on my gaming PC.
I think you’re missing the point of the Steam Deck. The built in screen is relatively high DPI, and given its small size, quality settings don’t matter as much. It uses ~15W peak - even laptop GPUs are at least double that.
some people still want to game at 1080 or 4k at 60fps
hence why people were disappointed when switch only upgrade the screen to OLED.
you say that it is good enough now cos you own it already
people who don't own one might wish for it to have it now
and you will want it too if they release it (since the visuals would significantly look much better)
this is the same with pc gaming,
if you can only do low settings gaming then it is good enough, until you upgrade you GPU and realize what you were missing.
Sure, technology will progress in the next couple of years, but the Deck is great as it is. Personally, I’ve found myself playing a lot more indie/Metroidvania games that I wouldn’t have on my gaming PC.
some tech already exists e.g. OLED screens (ie switch OLED)
but valve won't release an OLED model until (4 years later) if they are treating this like console..
Some people want OLED model now,
else they need to compromise and buy it as it is
or wait 4 years till there an OLED model.
An OLED model would significantly improve the visual quality of the screen
without needing to up the resolutions
You sure have spent a lot of time arguing in this thread lol. No one wants nor needs 4K at 7 inches that is stupid.
@JandersC: That's not what people said when they wanted switch 2 / pro
and disappointed it was just an OLED screen upgrade…
Some people actually do want 1080 @ 60 fps and OLED..
only people who don't say it
are the people that bought the steam deck already
and just accepted it as it is and don't want to feel FOMO or buyers remorse
if a newer model with those improvements was released.
@pinkybrain: Why did you space this like you were writing a poem? Notice how I said No one wants 4K I didn't say anything about 1080p being a bad upgrade. I don't own a steam deck so not sure what you mean by that either lol.
Why did you space this like you were writing a poem?
LOL
wasn't intentional
but reading it now it does sound like a poem
No one wants 4K I didn't say anything about 1080p being a bad upgrade.
there might still be some that want 4k ( based on the switch 2 / pro disappointments that were posted)
most would be happy for NOW if updated steam deck has
-1080 @ 60 fps
-OLED screen
-improvement in battery life
These guys are the same as Skyphonez right? Myphonez has pretty bad feedback while their Skyphonez store is a bit better
Are these guys trusted? Is this stock here or from china?