https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqJyvkY_MNg
and the nanny state just gets more worrying
how are these mobile phone cameras even calibrated? if I use the in-built radio in my car will it pick up on that?
if my car is in park and I use my mobile phone, will I get pinged by the camera?
New Cameras in Melbourne
speedingftw on 01/04/2023 - 10:51
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@speedingftw: Funny how you pick and choose what other countries do. Why not move there as you seem to paint that it's better over there.
@Aneurism: Because Australia is a nanny state
Everyone knows it
The government, the cops, the citizens, people who visit Australia (tourists, backpackers etc)
But no one wants to change the nanny state
Everyone in Australia seems happy with the government controlling us
Even during COVID, no other countries had it as bad as Australia@FocusRider: Can you help me with a visa?
Maybe the Voice can help relocate me when it takes over our parliament.
@speedingftw: He asked why you don't move to one of these other countries you keep alluding to and your reason is "Because Australia is a nanny state"?
@speedingftw: Maybe it's time you moved to a different country then and let the 99.5% of us who actually want these cameras and think they're a good idea allow them to be implemented and used.
@Morphio25: LOL, it could be a majority, but there's no way in hell that amount of people want them. I don't want them and I've never gotten a ticket.
@pizzaking: On what basis do you say that the 'world would be a better place' without cameras catching out people doing the wrong thing?
One would think it's a fairly simple concept. If your head is buried in your mobile phone you're not concentrating on the road and thus your potential to cause or be involved in a serious MVA is much higher. There have been countless studies done on this topic.
If we can install a few cameras around the place that are going to deter people from doing the wrong thing then I can only see how that would be a good thing.
@Morphio25: It's addressing a problem that we don't have. I'd rather enjoy what's left of our privacy without getting inspected by overhead cameras, for no tangible benefit.
@pizzaking: That's where you're wrong I'm afraid, mobile phone use behind the wheel is one of the big five for a reason.
The benefit of having the cameras is obviously to dissuade people from using their phones and contribute to lessening our road toll. To me those benefits alone far outweigh and potential privacy concerns, of which there are none given the photo is an overhead one which doesn't show much, if any, of your face.
@Morphio25: Camera coming to your bedroom, soon.
If you aren't doing anything wrong, you have absolutely nothing to worry about.
You could be committing all kinds of horrific crimes in there. Rape. Torture. Kiddie porn.
I consider them worse crimes than using a phone while driving.
This is not even close to being true. Firstly, most countries do not have a lower road toll than Australia, we are 16th lowest in the world for deaths per 100k cars. Of those with lower figures than us, The Netherlands and UK have rolled out such cameras and others will continue to do so. It's new tech and the evidence supports that mobile phone distractions cause death (plus it'll raise revenue).
It's much like seatbelts, 97% of people in Victoria wear them yet those who don't account for 25% of deaths. Usually in country areas where there are no cameras checking these things. As people start to get more fines they'll stop doing it and it'll reduce road deaths, simple as that.
You have no expectation of privacy in public. If police drive past you and see you on the phone they'll fine you. If you commit a crime and it's caught on CCTV they'll arrest you. They wear body cameras not only to protect the public interest but to capture evidence. If you don't like any of that, avoid going out in public and you'll be fine.
Drivers 'touching' a phone in a stationary vehicle account for 0% of all road deaths though.
@trapper: They're still bloody annoying when they're staring at their phone and haven't noticed the lights have changed.
But most drivers can touch a phone while stationary (or moving). It's different for those on their Ls and Ps because they really should be focusing on the road at all times. Don't want to focus on the road? Pull over.
Well if that's the case it seems to be drivers attitudes that are a problem.
Victoria has plenty…
100% this a very good move and they should look into cost effective ways to increase the number of these around the country. I've seen so many people not giving a $hit about safety while driving.
if I use the in-built radio in my car will it pick up on that?
Why would it pick this up? You're allowed to touch devices. The only thing these cameras look like they'll detect is people holding their phones, not the act of touching it when it's in a suitable cradle or fixed mount. i.e. that's why all the 'examples of people getting caught' are people holding their phones.
if my car is in park and I use my mobile phone
How do you plan to drive past the camera while in park?
How do you plan to drive past the camera while in park?
Like this: https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExMGFjNTI2ZjZ…
I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to touch your phone in a cradle either, though that may vary by state.
Only commenting on Victoria, but very much allowed:
A fully licensed driver can use a phone to make or receive a phone call, to use its audio/music functions or perform a navigational (GPS) or intelligent highway vehicle system (in vehicle warning system) function but only if the phone:
- is secured in a commercially designed holder fixed to the vehicle, or
- can be operated by the driver without touching any part of the phone, and the phone is not resting on any part of the driver's body.
I stand corrected. Turns out it's similar here in WA.
Installing a $650 Android Auto stereo in the old Prado has saved us many fines, I'm sure. Transformed the whole car to be honest.
Exactly what I did in my old car too, put my phone in my bag or keep it in my pocket and use voice control of music, calls and messages.
The first three months is a grace period, just get all your Tinder swiping in before then and you’ll be fine.
wait so no fine and points until july 1st?
Hmm I’m confused now. I watched a video on 9 News from four days ago and the guy said there’s a three month grace period, but it seems the cameras have been deployed for a couple of months now and your 7 news video is “new rules come into effect”, I might be wrong, can’t seem to find a date.
The Cameras Save Lives website says “As we roll-out the mobile phone and seatbelt detection cameras there is a 3-month advisory period.”
Maybe you can email them and check, the email is [email protected]
sweet, thanks
Or just assume you'll get an actual fine and stop using your phone while driving instead of planning on doing day until the last day of the grace period?
Australia in general is a nanny state
Spoken like someone who has never been outside of Australia
Wonder if OP has ever been to Singapore…….
yup, been there, and no, it's far more liberal than Australia
people drive watching the road, not the speedo, and the cops don't waste their time pulling people over for 5 km over the limit like they do here in Australia
the only rule that's a bit strange is no chewing gum, but then again gum tastes terribleFunny, I've never been pulled over for doing 5km/h over the limit. I was pulled over for speeding once at almost 3 a.m. doing 21km/h over (tired and not really paying attention). The cop said to me he would've let me go if I was 19km/h (the next tier down).
Another time I was picked up by a camera doing 11km/h over the limit and when I went and had a chat to the guy in the camera car he was nice enough to show me the photo which I guess he must've deleted because I never received that fine in the mail.
Cops aren't the bad people you make them out to be. Then again your username suggests you've probably had more than the average number of run ins with police during your time. Perhaps you ought to slow down a bit?
@Morphio25: the cop said he would'be let you go if it was 19 over?
was it a highway patrol cop?
or general duties
might make a difference
and did it happen recently in or in the 1990s?
if it happened in the 1990s it makes sense as Australia used to be like the rest of the world with regards to speeding etc
until the 21st century@speedingftw: No idea what section of police he worked for. If he told me I was too tired to retain that information. As for the year this occurred it would've been 2007.
@Morphio25: you got lucky then
i've heard of people in country towns in australia pulled over for even 1 km over the limit@speedingftw: Probably, and evidently I still didn't learn my lesson post that incident because I still had a couple of speeding fines. It actually took my vehicle being written off before I learned that I'm better off just keeping my eyes focused on the road in front of me.
My accident wasn't caused by me being on my mobile phone either, I was checking my blind spot to change lanes when the traffic came to a sudden stop in front of me.
I'm proud to say I haven't had a single infraction now in almost 7 years.
@Morphio25: It gets worse. You're a disaster.
7 years? Oh, how clever.
Do you run a driving school? Is there any chance you can stop lecturing others while admitting how badly you drive?
@Morphio25: Now I know you're full of shit.
I don't drive 21 over. Maybe you're the one who needs to slow down.
Which police commissioner's daughter are you banging?
@the wiz: How badly I USED to drive. My new vehicle has cruise control so I use that and stick to the speed limit.
Regarding the 21 over incident, I'm not sure why you think I'd lie about that but that is what the officer said to me. Perhaps it had something to do with the fact it was 3am and he didn't really want to fill out the paperwork?
@Morphio25: So you downvoted both of my comments. I cant imagine anyone else did. I didn't downvote yours. I'm just here for the discussion.
All I was saying is you don't sound like the type of driver who should be giving driving advice.
It's in your own words.
@the wiz: I don't bother handing out downvotes, I do upvote those who manage to make me laugh. Perhaps someone else took issue with your comments which do come across as rather rude and abrasive.
In actual fact those who have life changing experiences are exactly the right type of people to give advice because they have first hand experience of how certain actions effect not only themselves but others.
@Morphio25: Why would somebody waste downvotes when comments are free? I believe you anyway so it doesn't matter. Just a very odd coincidence.
Life is rude and abrasive. Every kid doesn't win a prize. You can't just identify as an astronaut.
I totally agree with your last statement. But you are not in that category.
@the wiz: Life is rude and abrasive only if people choose to make it that way. Do you talk to people that way in person, or only when you're hiding behind a keyboard?
Why is it you think I'm not in that category? The accident I had in which my car was written off didn't hurt my physically but it certainly hurt me financially. I had to extend my mortgage in order to buy a new car not to mention the insurance excess I had to pay, I'd say I'm in a good position to inform others exactly why they should keep their eyes on the road and not on their mobile phones.
If you don't agree then that's fine but it's just your opinion and one not necessarily shared by others.
Or switzerland…
even if switzerland is strict, they have 120-130km/h speed limit on freeways
I don't mind strict enforcement if the speed limits are sensible to begin with
Ok, next..
wait until you hear about the fines drivers receive when the passenger is using a phone.
unless passenger brings mobile in front of driver inside a moving car, which normally is the right driver side in Australia, there is nothing to worry about.
OP just don't use your phone while driving okay????? Then you don't have to worry about these scenarios that may not even happen!!
Here's a crazy idea. Just wear your seatbelt and don't use your phone while driving.
You are trash if you use your phone whilst driving.
These cameras are on roads and highways visually looking inside the car to detect mobile use. If you have stopped on the service road you have nothing to worry about. Service roads and streets are not areas of interest to capture vehicles. Even in list published by vic pol locations are roads and highways.
The overhead positioning of the cameras ensures that the camera can get a clear view of the car’s front cabin, while the infrared flash is designed to penetrate the windscreen and ensure the camera can take clear photos, day or night,
In operation, the system constantly takes photos of traffic passing by. Each image is then processed by an AI (artificial intelligence) trained to detect mobile phone use in the car. If the AI detects a possible offence, the photo is sent onwards for human review. If no mobile phone use is detected, the photo is deleted.
What if we're driving on the freeway and pull into the emergency lane and make a phone call?
Will the camera detect this?It only captures image when you pass through camera threshold just like speed camera, just like crossing a virtual line. if you are stopped in an emergency lane unless you have stopped exactly on the spot where camera takes photos, it won't capture anything and even if you happen to be in exact same location it will know that you are not in driving lane. Just like red light camera which doesn't go off, when you are passing green light in different lane even though turning right light is red.
All I have to do is get some hyper watts bright IR LED that blasts upwards. Place them all on my dash then no cameras can see me.
IR don't work? fine, get a large hood that covers the phone.
So does it mean you are allowed to fondle with the bigass screen that comes preinstalled on some cars while you are not allowed to play with the phone? I need to poke the screen to adjust my Aircon on my American car but I can't poke my phone? So how does the human viewing the captures on the other end know what I am poking when I have a hood covering my phone?
I don't see the problem. Don't use your phone when driving. The only reason you get a nanny state is because morons don't follow the law.
other countries don't have strict rules like australia and a lower road toll
so no, it's just revenue raisingNegative. Compare deaths per 1,000,000km driven.
You keep saying this but it's just not true looking at the stats.
even if they have a higher road toll, it's only marginally higher (compared to the vast difference in enforcement from them to us)
@ezekiel181: sure, but several other countries are only marginally higher than us for road deaths
and speeding is a norm in all those countries
We have laws for every minutiae and morons that expect the law to handle everything
I came here to neg speedingftw and chew bubblegum.
And I'm all out of bubblegum.
And I'm all out of negs </3
I reckon downvoting certain users shouldn't add towards your neg count
BTW OP you got AmiGo installed yet ??? (thanks to the guy who referred me to AmiGo)
If not you are missing out Amigo.
IMO that's a good way to prevent $$ skimming too
Do fixed and mobile speed cameras change with roadworks?
Yes
That's odd considering no one else slows down and I almost got rear ended
Yes it does.
The irony is simply amazing.
Just tell your gf or wife or mistress not to wear inappropriate uniforms while driving thank you.
why 7 news?
pro tip OP; dont use your phone while driving. simples
how do you know the camera is accurate?
what if I touch my wallet when driving and I get a fine from the camera?Let us know when it happens.
Otherwise you're worring about something that has not occurred, if it does. Great way to build anxiety over what is currently just your imagination.
Just chill, don't speed, don't use your phone.
Every single one of the photos will be reviewed by a human. You can contest the fine if you wish.
You can always challenge the fine if you think there is an error. Relax, take a deep breath, exhale…..
I got pulled over once by the cops because I was looking for a receipt in my wallet at the lights and they thought I was on my phone. They even looked through messages to see if I was lying, and they let me off with a warning, even though I was telling them I hadn't touched my phone (and they had no evidence to prove it). Such bs.
This is why no one likes cops
Cops in other countries are way better
about time…shocking the amount of people who text or do whatever on their phones while waiting at signals….they are so engrossed that they fail to see signal turn green….i only wish there was a way to to record these offenders and fine them…oh wait, that's what this is about
Reading some of the comments clearly OP is really frustrated with the system and can't employ a complex thinking process. Whatever idea/thought comes first sticks, just like my 10yo.
If you like rules or regulations move to Africa, little to none there.
I'm not for more restrictions and these new regulations certainly pose more questions than answers for me, but none for the reasons you provide. What I'm thinking is that there are other, better alternatives, to achieving better "desired results" than what is implemented here.
yes there is
cameras are always for revenue, not safety
australia is the only country in the world with mobile phone and seatbelt camerasDo those cameras in other countries issue demerit points though?
Getting fined is one thing, losing your license
is another thing
It's like the Australian government actively want people to lose their license
Every thing carries demerit points these days
Biggest nanny state ever@speedingftw: The question is largely irrelevant. They can take your licence away in both Spain and Germany for road offences. Spain has a points based system, Germany seems to be if you do something bad enough you lose it for a few months
I would like you to lose your licence as it doesn't seem like you can be trusted to follow basic road rules/respect and contribute to the safety of your community
Biggest whinger ever
@SpainKing: Lol
You realize in Spain freeways are set to 120 and you don't get demerit loins until you drive 150+?
And Spain is very lax with it's rules in general too
It's road roll is similar to Australia@speedingftw: Go live in Spain if Australia's so intolerable with all its "rules" (laws) to keep people safe. You'll love it there, apparently the freeways go up to 120 so you can feel like you're speeding, but really you're travelling at the speed limit!
Just hope they can understand you with such poor English and accept you even with your insistence that you should be using your phone while driving. Seems like in Australia that sort of thing would make you a pariah
I like how Australia is safe.
Wow this is new in Vic? I got fined for using my phone while driving (cancelling a ringing call while stopped at the lights, apparently listening to the constant ringing is less distracting, but I digress) must have been 15 years ago now. Vic is slow on the up take.
you got fines 15 years ago from a phone camera?
pretty sure they didn't exist until a few years ago?Speeding again
How long does this thread have to go for….
wow…speedingftw…so many neg for so many comments
Almost everytime he comments, he is negged. OP is very neg-trractive.
@KSMLJ: Or China or North Korea