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Kingston NV2 M.2 PCIe 4.0 NVMe 1TB, Solid State Drive $81.91 Delivered @ Amazon UK via AU
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While $17 is not much in the scheme of things, it's quite a difference as a percentage of the base price.
You're both right.
Yup, 90%+ endurance boost for less than 20% more expensive.
It really depends on what you want to use the SSD for.
- If you intend to put it in a PCIe gen 4 x4 m.2 slot, SN770 is the way to go for sure. NV2, you are simply wasting your PCIe gen 4 x4 m.2 slot.
- SN770 has 5 years warranty, NV2 has 3 years. SN770's controller is better.
If we really want to talk about percentages, there are 2 tests which really make NV2 look bad (P.S. NV2 1TB TLC version tested, NOT QLC version tested).
NV2 in gaming benchmark chart (SN770 is there also) - SN770 is 66% better than NV2 in that test.
NV2 in consistency benchmark chart (SN770 is there also) - SN770 is 79% better than NV2 in that test.Kingston really marketed NV2 quite well. However, the reality is that NV2, long term, is NV1 replacement. The most recent trend of what Kingston is doing has shown that's the case. The controller has been swapped from decent one to cheapest Kingston can get. QLC versions have already started.
I have multiple NV2 SSDs. It's just I can no longer recommend NV2 unless budget is a key factor in your SSD purchase decision making AND you simply don't trust WD will give you $20 e-Gift card if you were to purchase SN570 now from an eligible retailer.
SN570 (WD Blue) is comparably priced to the NV2 right now because of a $20 redemption from WD, and you still get 600 TBW if that's what you're worried about: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/754435
I don't think it's that reasonable for anyone buying an entry-level drive to then go and slap it with 320 TBW though. It's not easy to "accidentally" have a large sustained workload on a drive for a prolonged period of time.
320TBW means you can write well over 80GB per day, every single day, for the next 10 years.
Write endurance is way more than you're ever going to need, it's just not a number you need to care about.
I just have no idea why it's brought up so often 🤷🏼♂️
Well, I am guessing people want to clone 1TB worth of data every day, so only 320 days.
TBW is overrated. If all my failed SSDs even reached 50% of their TBW, I would be thrilled. Majority of my SSDs which failed were hardly used.
To be fair the more it can handle, the more sure I feel of its strength and lasting power. Even if it only makes it halfway. And SSD's I've gone off completely. Half of mine seem be dying and I rarely use them too. My HDDs and M2 drives however, used and abused and still go strong.
@vlahka: Majority of SSDs are less reliable if hardly used. I think this whole discussion on TBW is replying only to part of the original comment.
The full context should have been SN770 1TB is also discounted, and it is a better SSD in many aspects, nearly double TBW is one of them. Another NV2's TBW issue is that, based on what Tom's Hardware has indicated, there are at least 3 controller versions of NV2, and we know there are TLC and QLC variants. So technically, there could be 6 different versions of NV2 (though so far, only 4 versions are commonly circulating at the moment). All 4 versions have the same TBW? Really?
@vlahka: Precisely.
The drives need to be powered on to run their cell refresh cycles and clean up activities etc. They can die if you leave them unpowered for long periods.
@Nom: Well thats pretty useless.. Does this go for M2 drives as well? I'm guessing it shouldnt. I mean USB thumb drives dont have this.
If you copy & edit (multi-write) 8K videos & 200MP photos (Galaxy S23 Ultra) as hobby or profession then it will not last that long.
Sounds like an intense user or content creator. Not sure if S23'ssd can last long if it is the case.
Pretty sure NV2 is a budget SSD designed for everyday users not for heavy users. But still human can't feel much different anyways
This SSD isn't designed for professionals or high-end enthusiasts.
If you're doing those things, you aren't doing them on a piddly 1TB drive - so the point is moot 🤷🏼♂️
@Nom: If you run a file, print and torrent server it's not hard to end up chewing through your drive's lifetime in 5-10 years of regular usage.
@syousef: As nom said, you're not going to be using a 1TB drive for any of these functions. And file servers are mostly read versus write.
If you run a file, print and torrent server it's not hard to end up chewing through your drive's lifetime in 5-10 years of regular usage.
Can you log on to your server right now and look at the wear-out indicator of one of the SSDs ?
In 1287 days of power-on time, the two SSDs in one of mine have written 18.33TB (2TB drive, 97% of lifespan still remains - this drive will last decades at this rate) and 23.76TB (256GB drive, 79% of lifespan still remains - this drive will also last decades at this rate).
This particular server is doing a whole bunch of tasks…
I unpublished my last reponse since I'd forgotten I replaced a spinning disk that died on this server about a year ago.
My 500GB Crucial MX500 is down to 78% and 7.87TB written in 8885 hours (Just over 1 year) so yeah if I drove it down to 0% I'd probably get around 5 years out of it using it this way, if the NUC it's installed in lasts that long.
You'd be crazy to use a drive with under 50% lifespan in anything critical, but as I said I'm not serving anything critical off this drive, and besides I have backups. There are definitely people doing things that aren't too extreme with their drives that can tank the lifespan. Bigger drives help as they have better endurance.
Mind you it isn't used to store any of the files being served or for torrents and I'm not a heavy torrenter. It's just OS, apps and temp files being written to it. If it were used for heavy torrenting or some of the main files being servered I reckon I'd be eating through that in maybe 3 years. Anyway it still matters and you don't have to abuse the drive for it to matter.
TBW is literally irrelevant these days, probably the dumbest metric that keeps getting repeated. WD Black is a little faster though that also has 0 impact on general software performance (games/pro work) other than moving large files constantly which 99% of people here won't be doing. Applications can't even saturate gen 3 speeds and direct storage is still pretty much nowhere.
I wouldn't say it was irrelevant, given that drive manufacturers declare their warranty as "X Years" or "Y TBW", whichever occurs first. So, for those of us who push their drives hard (myself included) it does matter.
It's irrelevant for 99% of the people reading this - it's just pointless information that makes them think some drives "wear out" - but in fact, you need to be doing bonkers levels of writes before endurance becomes an issue.
X years will occur first for 99% of people here. I don't think you realise how much 320tb is. That'd be almost 100gb written on to the ssd every day for nearly 10 whole years straight. Pcie gen 10 will be a thing by then. Your mobo+cpu+gpu will die before then.
NV2 has a 3 year warranty. You'd have to write 350gb to it everyday to match the warranty. For standard '''high speed''' internet that most have (100 mbit) that's downloading at max speeds for almost half the day doing nothing else with the internet assuming it isn't even shared with others. You'd also have to be emptying the ssd every 3 days for whatever reason just to fill it back up again. TBW is just a dick measuring contest at this point.
Got 2 for $149.08
How?
Buy 2 and 9% off will automatically be applied at checkout.
Invoice shows $135.52 before GST was added. Fack you Gerry
did not apply discount for me
This or SN570 (~$75 after $20 voucher).
the WD blue
I think the 570 is abit better and you can buy it locally here in Australia, don’t see the reason to grab the kingston.
While NV2 does slightly better in sequential read/write test in PCIe gen 4 mode (by a bit), it doesn't seem to translate well when up against SN570 in real gaming and constant application usage.
NV2 Storage Gaming Benchmark
NV2 Consistency TestThe consistency test shows a common issue for most DRAMless SSDs. Competition still cannot quite figure out how SN570 does it (but PCIe gen 4 SSDs with DRAM still is a class above). Even SN770 doesn't beat SN570 in that test (which is a bit weird). To be fair though, that test isn't something general public is interested in, and the result is quite different to other tests.
NV2 is fine for general usage (light usage). Just don't expect it to be a workhorse. Gaming is fine. With Amazon UK, you will most likely get the SMI controller version.
I don't need it
I don't need it
I don't need it,
but I bought 2!Only 2?
Is thsi okay for a boot drive where I'll nearly have it full?
Far from ideal. Maybe go for a cheap 2tb model
SSD performance decreases if they are nearly full. Best to try to always keep around 15% free if you can so it can properly run the background tasks.
How can I check if my Dell 7050 USFF supports this? Also, the dell came with 128 gb SSD, which is running out of storage. Is there any way to upgrade without going through the re-installation of every software? bit noob with upgrades
Yes, it supports NVMe. You can use a cloning software to clone OS to a new SSD. I use EaseUS Todo Backup Home.
Look up the specs for it and see if it has a m.2 slot. The 3050 has a slot…
If it does, you can just add this in and either keep it as a secondary drive or use a cloning software like Acronis true image to clone you primary drive to this new one and change the boot order in the bios to boot off this new drive.
I need one
I need one
I need one badly,
but I have no money :(
Everything has been gone up in price except the salary!Wut? Your situation changed 180 degrees over 2 hrs…
My rich vs poor mindset does change from time to time.
My boss said that if you want a pay raise, all you need to do is overtime.
Think both NV2 and SN570 are not suitable for system drive. Need to upgrade my Dell notebooks both of whom came with 500GB SSDs.
Have a look at this test:
Check out the position of SN570 in the test. It manages to beat quite a few low cost PCIe gen 4 x4 SSDs. You need a flagship class PCIe gen 4 x4 SSDs to beat it in that test. Obviously, there are a couple of true flagship DRAM PCIe gen 3 x4 SSDs not in the list. Anyway, compared to NV2, it actually got beaten by 870 Evo (SATA3) in that test.
Sure, SN570 is probably not ideal as a server SSD, but for home use, it is generally good enough. Obviously, if you really want to hammer DRAMless SSDs, there are other tests that can expose SN570. However, is that kind of workload feasible for you?
Alternatively, if you want it sooner and guarantee its arrival (have had a mixed experience buying via Amazon UK), JW Computers has them for $85 plus postage. Total came to only $90 for me, beats waiting a couple of weeks.
Not a bad deal if you are buying one but poor value if you are buying two.
You will most likely be getting the SMI version (that seems to be the version circulating in Europe nowadays). It might not be a good idea to stock up on NV2. The price has been trending downwards. Also, there had been a few WD deals lately. I know Centrecom was basically enticing people to visit their Clayton store by selling WD 240GB Green for $10 and they had the 500GB Gigabyte cheap NVMe for $25 (which sold out quite quickly).
SN570 currently not only has the $20 e-gift card, it comes with 1 month of Adobe Creative Cloud. Most people probably don't need that, but if you do have some use of that, it is quite handy, even if it is only just for a month.
here is my benchmark result, not great compared to my crucial
root@ubuntu01:~# nvme list
Node SN Model Namespace Usage Format FW Rev
/dev/nvme0n1 50026B7686267D72 KINGSTON SNV2S1000G 1 1.00 TB / 1.00 TB 512 B + 0 B SBM02103
root@ubuntu01:~# dd if=/dev/zero of=./test.img count=5000000 bs=1024 status=progress
4873558016 bytes (4.9 GB, 4.5 GiB) copied, 11 s, 443 MB/s
5000000+0 records in
5000000+0 records out
5120000000 bytes (5.1 GB, 4.8 GiB) copied, 11.5553 s, 443 MB/sI am guessing you have the SMI SM2267XT version of NV2. Did you get yours from Amazon US or Amazon UK (via Amazon AU)? I know the Phison E21 version does cheat in zero fill test (in Windows at least). FYI, Phison E21 version, zero fill @ PCIe gen 3 x4 - massive cheating. So for Phison E21 version, to test its write performance properly, I cannot use a software that does zero fill. NV2 Phison E21 verison's true write performance is about the same as the SM2267XT version (except it can really cheat in zero fill test).
Anyway, for that type of usage, yes, NV2 isn't a great choice.
Bought from Amazon UK (via Amazon AU) from this same listing a couple of weeks ago.
Discount for 2 is now 11%
ANGERY
A good price but the WD Black is just over $17 more (from Amazon) and has nearly twice the endurance (600 vs 320TBW).