How Much Do I Owe My Friend?

MrBarbs on 01/02/2023 - 16:56
Last edited 02/02/2023 - 15:55

I have a situation l don't know how to solve.

Me, a friend (and a third party) went on a holiday which costed us in total $1400.
The friend paid in full however we want to split the cost equally (the friend and l).
A third party involved paid my friend $400 for his share.
I thought that was too much and wanted him to pay $200 for his share so l gave him $200.
I've currently lost $200 and the friend gained $400.
How much do l owe my friend for us to be equal and knowing he gained $400 and I've lost $200 due to the third party?
The $200 paid by the third party is split equally between my friend and me.

Edit: Some of your guy's comments are the funniest things l ever heard, taking everything so seriously. Stop questioning the situation and take it for what it is. The money l gave to the third party was with the approval of the friend. Anything else you guys can think of was with consent from all parties involved. Plus with the comments about me being stingy, l gave more money to the friend than what actual cost of my share was.

Financial

Comments

  • AustriaBargain on 01/02/2023 - 17:00
    +39

    Half of $1400 is $700. So you should pay him $700.

    Three of you went though. So a third of $1400 is $466.66. So you should pay him $466.66.

    He gained $400, but a third of the trip he paid for that other guy was $466.66. So he actually lost $66.66 and that's up to him I suppose.

      • AustriaBargain on 01/02/2023 - 17:05
        +24

        Well you need to decide whether you are going to pay a third of 1400 or half of 1200. So $466.66 to pay a third of total cost, or $600 to pay half of total cost after poor friend's discount. Is $133.34 worth causing drama over? If you think you're sore about paying a bit more, how sore will the original friend feel paying a whole lot more?

        • MrBarbs on 01/02/2023 - 17:07
          -2

          Im paying now half of 1200 because the thrid party payment of 200 is split equally between us. So 600 but l gave the thrid party $200 and my friend now has $400.

          • AustriaBargain on 01/02/2023 - 17:20
            +3

            @MrBarbs: So third gay paid 200 himself? Then you gave third guy another 200 to give to original friend?

            Unless that was a $200 loan to third friend, then the math should be you and original guy pay $600 each. The $200 you gave to third friend should bring your total down to $400.

            Now if that $200 you gave was a loan, then third friend is now paying $400 instead of $200, so you then need to give original friend $500, or half the $1,000 left over. Which still leaves you ahead because you're going to get that $200 loan back one day.

            • kekw on 01/02/2023 - 17:28
              +63

              @AustriaBargain:

              So third gay paid 200 himself?

              Hodl up bruv…

            • Storm2022 on 02/02/2023 - 14:03
              +8

              @AustriaBargain: If the "third gay paid 200 himself" how much did the other 2 gays pay? Also, were the gays male or female? Asking for a mate.

          • freefall101 on 01/02/2023 - 20:56
            +3

            @MrBarbs: So you pay another $400. That way Friend one paid $1400 and got back $800 (I.e out of pocket $600), you paid $600, third party is out of pocket $200.

            Unless the person who paid upfront thought the third party was paying $400 of the total and you and them were in $500 each, in which case you’ve agreed to contribute $700 as you made the call to give $200 back to the third party.

      • Willy Beamish on 02/02/2023 - 08:24
        +21

        Maybe he has financial issues because he keeps spending on shit he can't afford…. like a holiday….

      • smartazz104 on 02/02/2023 - 08:30
        +6

        Sounds like he shouldn't be going on holiday then.

      • ribze1 on 02/02/2023 - 09:21
        +6

        Financial stress but went on holidays. Ok i see the problem here.

    • supersabroso on 02/02/2023 - 09:28
      +10

      How is there a debate??? ($1400-$200)/2=$600 total to be paid to your mate if you want to cover for your poor third friend equally. If the third friend is his problem, then you just need to pay $1400/3=$466.67 in total. Done, done and done. Problem solved, end of discussion, how much easier can it get???

      • King Taddy on 02/02/2023 - 10:40
        +1

        Just to be clear, you mean $600 total, so another $400 more to pay. Not $600 on top of the $200 already paid.

        Another way to look at it is $1400 / 2 = $700. Minus $200 already paid = $500. Minus $100 from friend (half of his $200 contribution) = $400 more to pay.

  • Hybroid on 01/02/2023 - 17:03
    +12

    A third party involved paid my friend $400 for his share.

    What does this mean? So you and a friend and a third party went on a holiday that costs $1400?

    Or you and a friend went on a $1400 holiday and the friend decided to bring their own +1? Why did they pay $400? What share is this out of, the total or friend's half?

    Why would you pay the third party? None of this makes sense or we're missing some context.

    • MrBarbs on 01/02/2023 - 17:06
      -6

      I paid the third party because he gave too much money to my friend. He was surposed to give $200

      • Summoner on 01/02/2023 - 17:14
        +9

        So you went on a trip with friend A and B and spent $1400. And you agreed to spilit $1400 with friend A. Then, friend B decided to give $400 for the trip to friend A. Then you thought $400 was too much for friend B to pay, so you paid $200 to friend B. And now you are wondeing how much to pay to friend A. Is this the situation?

        • MrBarbs on 01/02/2023 - 17:15
          -5

          Yes exactly

          • Hybroid on 01/02/2023 - 17:22
            +4

            @MrBarbs: That makes a lot more sense. So either $400 or $500 depending on your agreement with friend on the repayment to third party.

          • Summoner on 01/02/2023 - 17:31
            +28

            @MrBarbs: lol this was confusing.

            Its nice of you to consider about friend B, but you should have discussed it with friend A before giving $200 to friend B.

            I would discuss about this with friend A and suggest $400 is the fair amount to be paid to friend A (half of $1400 less $600). If friend A does not agree with this, i would just pay $500 (half of $1400 less $400).

            Its nice of you to consider friend B's cercumstances, but you cannot make a decision that may involve friend A and expect friend A to be ok with it.

            • SF3 on 01/02/2023 - 18:50
              +2

              @Summoner:

              you cannot make a decision that may involve friend A and expect friend A to be ok with it.

              That’s why OP is seeking OzB’s collective opinions to show friend A.

              OP: see this is what OzB said.
              A: see you did it again!

            • CheapskateQueen on 01/02/2023 - 20:44
              +2

              @Summoner: this is as great response and as good as it gets.

              Either A agreed (or subsequently agrees) that B should only pay $200 or you unilaterally bear the cost of the $200 you paid to B.

  • dasher86 on 01/02/2023 - 17:03
    +9

    $500

    • MrBarbs on 01/02/2023 - 17:04
      -3

      Could you explain

      • Yummy on 01/02/2023 - 17:17
        +14

        He is your friend.

      • [Deactivated] on 01/02/2023 - 17:26
        +17

        total $1400
        minus $400 paid by third party
        balance $1000 divided by 2 = $500 each.

        providing it was your decision to give the third party $200 back and it wasn't agreed between you and your friend

      • geek001 on 01/02/2023 - 17:49
        +21

        I reckon $500 too. The trip is $1400. Your friend B paid $400 to friend A, that reduces the cost of the trip to be split between you and friend A to $1000. So you should split $1000 between you and friend A, so $500.

        The fact that you gave $200 to friend B without consulting friend A means that you should bear the cost of the $200 yourself. When you pay friend A $500, he might turn around and give you $100 back, or he may not, but you should try and pay friend A $500. That would be the right thing to do.

  • JimB on 01/02/2023 - 17:06
    +21

    Did the holiday costing $1400 include snacks purchased from another friend?

    • MrBarbs on 01/02/2023 - 17:08
      -1

      The holiday cost included everything

  • Nugs on 01/02/2023 - 17:07
    +5

    tree fiddy
    .

    • DashCam AKA Rolts on 01/02/2023 - 17:41
      +3

      Damn Loch Ness monster, tryin' to upset holiday plans.

      • LookAtMeow on 02/02/2023 - 17:18

        Nah nah nah, my imaginary friend Goo-Goo the dinosaur wants it

      • imurgod on 03/02/2023 - 10:12

        I gave him a dollar!

  • sam-1966 on 01/02/2023 - 17:08
    +59

    Is this a new NAPLAN question?

    • PopCounty on 02/02/2023 - 11:12
      +20

      Looks more like No-Plan question.

      • kiitos on 02/02/2023 - 15:29
        +2

        Lol, that response is a band 10.

    • stumo on 02/02/2023 - 12:43
      +3

      It certainly has all the poorly worded hallmarks of an exam question.

    • blorx on 03/02/2023 - 09:54
      +1

      Seems quite a few people have failed it. lol.

  • lewislardboy on 01/02/2023 - 17:09
    +15

    Assuming you still want it 50/50: The current ledger is…

    Friend: -$1400+400 = -$1000
    You: $0-$200 = -$200.

    If you are splitting the costs equally, he owes you $100 to split your debt, you owe him $500 split his debt.

    $500 minus the $100 he owes you = you owe him $400.

    • MrBarbs on 01/02/2023 - 17:11
      -6

      If l give him $400. His current $400 plus 400 lm giving him now adds up to 800 which is more than half of 1400 e.i 700

      • lewislardboy on 01/02/2023 - 17:16
        +6

        His $400 from the 3rd party is accounted for in the -$1400+400. You can't count it twice.

      • samyall on 02/02/2023 - 10:12
        +3

        You and your friend each agree to pay half minus the contribution by friend 3: ($1400/2) - ($200/2) = $700 - $100 = $600

        Your friend's contribution after you pay him $400: $1400 - $800 = $600

        Your contribution after you pay him $400: $200 + $400 = $600

      • blorx on 03/02/2023 - 09:53

        He's already paid $1400 so getting $800 means he's paid $600. You give $400 to friend, $200 to old mate (you spent $600 too) and old mate has chipped in $200.

  • spackbace on 01/02/2023 - 17:10
    +57

    I'm currently 21 years old and graduated with a Bachelor of Advance Science (Pre-med).

    Yet can't work this out…

    Makes you wonder about our tertiary system…

      • spackbace on 01/02/2023 - 17:14
        +40

        Can you solve it?

        Yes

        • borrisz0r on 02/02/2023 - 11:08
          +9

          This is insane. How can anyone with a high school level of education not work out this math? Freaking scary…

          • kiitos on 02/02/2023 - 15:36

            @borrisz0r: Only scary if there's a chance they'll be doing something like operating on you…oh wait…

          • Antikythera on 02/02/2023 - 17:52

            @borrisz0r: this isn't a math question. its an ethics question.

            • trapper on 03/02/2023 - 19:44

              @Antikythera:

              this isn't a math question. its an ethics question.

              That's what we all thought… but apparently not. It was just a basic math question all along.

              Mind boggling…. :/

      • garetz on 01/02/2023 - 21:43
        +2

        Its simple mathematics, anyone with a modicum of mathematical skill can

      • john_conner on 04/02/2023 - 11:24

        Better start rethinking your career choice if you can’t solve this problem yourself. Pretty soon people will be looking to you to solve their problems.

      • ChatCPT on 04/02/2023 - 13:41

        Do yourself a favour and go back to year 7!
        We need a re enrolment program for high school failures

      • Jono05 on 07/02/2023 - 03:00

        Primary school maths. You pay your friend $400. You've paid a total of $400 + $200= $600. Your friend has paid $1400 - $400 - $400= $600. Extra friend has paid $400 - $200= $200. Total amount $600+$600+$200= $1400. Simples.

    • Ocker on 01/02/2023 - 17:26
      +3

      Obviously English grammar was not his strong subject - "Me and a friend"

      • askbargain on 01/02/2023 - 17:50
        +3

        OP doesn't even know what equally means so…

    • rumblytangara on 01/02/2023 - 18:09
      +1

      The OP did read like some weird high school exam question… early high school.

    • Save Medicare on 01/02/2023 - 22:31

      Maths isn't used so much in clinical medicine

      The limit of maths that I do on a daily basis is multiplying a guy's weight by 25 (vancomycin) or 5-7 (gentamicin)

      Or working out [Na] - [Cl] - [HCO3]

      • Munki on 02/02/2023 - 10:19

        This should have been maths you learnt in primary school though.

      • trapper on 03/02/2023 - 19:46

        The limit of maths that I do on a daily basis is multiplying a guy's weight by 25 (vancomycin) or 5-7 (gentamicin)

        By the looks of it there is very little chance OP could do this.

  • Sweet Berry on 01/02/2023 - 17:14

    Be a hero and pay all of it. ;-)

    • MrBarbs on 01/02/2023 - 17:17
      -1

      I'm going to give my friend more than what l owe him it but l would still like to know the real answer

      • AustriaBargain on 01/02/2023 - 17:22

        You're gonna be a rich doctor one day, the real answer shouldn't matter. Or at least you should pretend to the friends it doesn't matter how much more than your share you paid.

      • smartazz104 on 02/02/2023 - 08:32
        +1

        Well obviously the answer mus be less than what you plan to give him…

  • Barca123 on 01/02/2023 - 17:16
    +23

    Give your friend $400. That way:
    - You have stumped up $600 all up ($400 (to your friend) + $200 (to other person);
    - Your friend spent $600 ($1400 - $400 (from you) - $400 (from other person);
    - The other person spent $200.

    • MrBarbs on 01/02/2023 - 17:18

      Oh, that makes sense. Thanks for your help

      • DashCam AKA Rolts on 01/02/2023 - 17:46

        Oh, that makes sense. Thanks for your help Cheers FTFY

        • MS Paint on 01/02/2023 - 20:29
          +1

          I see what you did there

      • gromit on 02/02/2023 - 09:49
        +5

        It makes sense mathematically. Whether it makes sense in reality is entirely up to your relationships with the other parties and the agreement you had with the second party about returning the $200.

      • leiiv on 03/02/2023 - 09:05

        You said this in previous comment when other said $400 as the answer:

        If l give him $400. His current $400 plus 400 lm giving him now adds up to 800 which is more than half of 1400 e.i 700

        Were you initially trying to trick your friend with bad math or are you just honestly bad with math?

    • spackbace on 01/02/2023 - 17:19
      +6

      I thought that was too much and wanted him to pay $200 for his share

      If the friend wasn't on this same page, then the friend should only be $466.67 out of pocket, not $600. I would hope that all 3 parties were happy with a $200/$600/$600 split. Otherwise would be a $200/$733.33/$466.67 split

      • Barca123 on 01/02/2023 - 17:34
        +2

        True, but I'm only going by what OP wrote:

        How much do l owe my friend for us to be equal

        *Edit - too many variables here for a definitive outcome I think!

      • Sweet Berry on 01/02/2023 - 17:57

        That's wrong.

        Hilarious.

        • spackbace on 01/02/2023 - 17:58

          Please show your working

          • Sweet Berry on 01/02/2023 - 18:32

            @spackbace: $1400 total - $200 paid by C

            Shares
            A = $600
            B = $600
            C = $200

            Independent events.

            • spackbace on 01/02/2023 - 18:36

              @Sweet Berry: Insert this conversation

              • Sweet Berry on 01/02/2023 - 18:38

                @spackbace: The question is wrong. Guaranteed…

                How does the friend end up with $400? It's clearly not the original question, even the current facts make no sense!

                This is why I suspect it is an exam question!!! The facts of what occurred did not happen!

                C pays $200 for B's share. He was willing to pay $400, but instead of that he only pays $200, A gives him an extra $200. So how does the friend end up with $400!!!

                My original answer was correct. The question is how do you treat that $400 given to B… Do you treat it as $400 paid by C or is it $200 paid by C?

      • bobbified on 01/02/2023 - 18:48

        Otherwise would be a $200/$733.33/$466.67 split

        That's not right. $466.67 x 3 = $1,400.01, not $1,400.00 exact! Why should whoever pays $466.67 pay 1/3 of a cent more? It's not fair!

        (Sorry, but it's OzB here!)

  • Debt Free on 01/02/2023 - 17:21
    +5

    You owe your friend $600 because it was not your business to give the 3rd party $200 back before you asked your friend if he agreed with you. Don’t make decisions on behalf of others.

    • Debt Free on 01/02/2023 - 18:26
      +2

      sorry, made a mistake:
      You actually owe $700
      1400-400= 1000
      divided by 2 = 500
      + the extra 200 you owe your mate after you refunded 200 to the extra person without coming to an agreement with your mate first.

      • Sweet Berry on 01/02/2023 - 18:33
        +1

        No wait, your original answer is correct. lol!

        Actually. Wait again, how does the friend end up with $400 then.. lol… C pays $200 for his share to B. The question is just totally wrong!

  • SBOB on 01/02/2023 - 17:21
    +27

    man, even ChatGPT wont answer this convoluted story :)

  • Donaldhump on 01/02/2023 - 17:32
    +1

    holiday cost = 1400

    A=OP, share = 600
    B=FRIEND, share = 600
    C=RANDOM OTHER PERSON, share = 200

    C has paid B 400
    A has paid C 200

    thus C has paid 200 and A has paid 200

    A owes B 400

    if you graduate uni and cant work this shit out, I am bemused.

    • askbargain on 01/02/2023 - 17:37
      +2

      they didn't teach me this at uni!

      • MrBarbs on 01/02/2023 - 17:39
        -5

        Same here lol

        • johnno07 on 02/02/2023 - 08:50
          +8

          That's because we learned it in school…

          • airtime on 03/02/2023 - 00:02

            @johnno07: Primary school to be more precise. I have seen grade 5 maths problems harder than this.

    • Sweet Berry on 01/02/2023 - 17:46
      +7

      Are you sure?

      The subsidising of the third party is an independent event. A Intervenes where he/she is not required to.

      $1400 total - $400 paid by C

      Shares
      A = $500
      B = $500
      C = $400

      A has in effect paid $200 of C but this was not required of him/her, and owes an additional $500. The actions of A cause them to overpay.

      PhD in Statistics & Mathematics. ;-)

      • askbargain on 01/02/2023 - 17:48
        +5

        replying so you can't edit your comment

      • spackbace on 01/02/2023 - 17:53
        +1

        however we want to split the cost equally.

        Friend 1 is now paying $500 out of a $1400 total, doesn't sound very equal to me

        Background - reading shitposts on the internet for years ;)

        • askbargain on 01/02/2023 - 17:54

          not a PhD in english

        • Sweet Berry on 01/02/2023 - 17:56
          +1

          Note the third party is now out of the question and you cannot recover further funds from them.

          The question is referring to splitting the cost between A and B.

          Fail.

          You don't expect party C to pay again do you? It's already been negotiated.

          • spackbace on 01/02/2023 - 17:58
            +1

            @Sweet Berry:

            It's already been negotiated.

            No, you're assuming that, yet it hasn't been written in any of the posts.

            I thought that was too much and wanted him to pay $200

            Note the use of "I", not "we"

            Data is flawed

            • Sweet Berry on 01/02/2023 - 17:58

              @spackbace: Yeah exactly, it's unilateral. Therefore, it should not be counted into B. B doesn't agree to it.

              A chooses to cross-subsidise C. I think that is where you misinterpreted it.

              • spackbace on 01/02/2023 - 18:00
                +1

                @Sweet Berry:

                B doesn't agree to it.

                Yet from a $1400 total, the friend is now up for paying $500 instead of $466.67, according to your comments

                A chooses to cross-subsidise C. I think that is where you misinterpreted it.

                No, because an even split is $1400/3 = $466.67. That's what they all should be paying, in theory. OP chose to help out the 3rd party

                • Sweet Berry on 01/02/2023 - 18:01

                  @spackbace: Yeah, because B accepts it once he takes that $400.
                  It is for "his share"

                  A third party involved paid my friend $400 for his share.

                  It's not to pay down A's share.

                  • spackbace on 01/02/2023 - 18:04
                    +1

                    @Sweet Berry:

                    Yeah, because B accepts it once he takes that $400.

                    Maybe he went to the same uni as OP and didn't realise that $400 isn't a third of $1400?

          • askbargain on 01/02/2023 - 17:58

            @Sweet Berry: why do you keep editing your comments

            Note the third party is now out of the question and you cannot recover further funds from them.

            where was it said?

            • Sweet Berry on 01/02/2023 - 18:01

              @askbargain: Are you seriously going to go back and ask him for further funds? That party has probably left the building.

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