Do You Slow Down at an Intersection When The Lights Are Still Green?

Howdy.
On the back of a rather interesting poll , I have another question.

Q: Do You Slow down at an Intersection When The Lights Are Still Green?

I am generally a 'Yes' in this department but only under certain circumstances. The only reason why I say this is because I've done this with my wife who sits in the passenger seat to then get an earful of, "Stop slowing down at the traffic lights! It's dangerous as you can get rear-ended". I slow down probably at least 5kph. It's one of those things that I probably do subconsciously, like tapping the accelerator, which annoys her as well. I don't mean to do the latter, but the former statement is out of safety. But in saying this, I'd rather slow down and get rear-ended (their fault for not allowing proper braking distance) rather than sideswiped by an emergency vehicle or semi. If the rear vehicle is on the larger side, I may react differently depending on how close they are. What is worse would be running over a kid who is blindly walking a red crossing light.

Some caveats:
* "Slowing down" = reducing speed by lifting accelerator OR light pressure on the brakes at a 'reasonable' distance
* I don't do this at ALL traffic intersection types. Only the ones running perpendicular to each other, large or small, and when the situation is sketchy
* Every situation is different. Weather, traffic congestion, blind stops from cars/ojects obstructing views from either side, traffic light cycle time, etc
* My reaction is different depending on the previous point and how much I lift off the accelerator or apply brake force
* If there is a procession of cars in front, the most I would do is lift off the accelerator to prepare. If at all.

What's the point of this:
* I'm not showing this to my wife, regardless of what the outcome is. Not here to gather info to gloat. Regardless of what people say here, I probably won't ever change my stance on how I drive through intersections TBH. I'm not the safest driver in the world, I don't think anyone is. Maybe I'm just being paranoid but I've just seen enough intersection smashes to justify that what I'm doing is safer than choosing to not slow down because I run the risk of inconveniencing a driver behind me.
* To continue the momentum from the previous post, I want to create a discussion to see what people do or think about it. There will always be opposing views. Send them over.
* I like how these discussions pan out into something that I/others can benefit from. You'll get the usual negativity from time to time. This is the internet after all =)


EDIT:
Not like it matters much, but I am the one that voted for "Yes, Depends on the situation". The original post had some ambiguity that I do it at ALL intersections. Clearing up the confusion. Fire away folks!


FINAL THOUGHTS

This has been enlightening. The very conversation about it, coupled with my previous post, has made me reflect on road safety. So I do appreciate the responses.

Seems that most of you, at the time of writing, are in the 'NO' camp (~5:1). It's understandable that you think this way, as I've also had the same lovely discussions with my wife in the past. I'm probably not going to change her opinion. So why should I need to change yours. You do you. I'll do me.

The past few days have been insightful. I'm glad to have posted this to gain an unbiased and objective opinion from strangers on the internet on a website that mostly deal with cheapskates. Myself included. Just look at my username for Christ's sake! Though, I am more keen than before to improve how I am on the road, to have top peak situational awareness, with the consideration of others that share the tarmac with me. But, to repeat, I'm not consciously going to change my approach with intersections to stop slowing down under certain circumstances. But I'll remember some of the valid points made in the post. Sorry, not sorry.

Other than that, it's ok to be ignorant. We're all human. We'll learn from our mistakes as long as we acknowledge it. Keep treating others with respect. Just because you don't know them and you're behind a screen with some level of anonymity, I say, 'Just chill brah.'

Drive safe. I know I will (try).

TLDR: I'm still going to slow down when I think the situation requires it. Peace.

Poll Options expired

  • 8
    Yes, definitely. All the time.
  • 162
    Yes. It depends on the situation.
  • 5
    I don't know. Haven't really thought about it much.
  • 21
    Nah. I'm a safe enough driver and I think I can react quickly enough.
  • 383
    No. I think it's dangerous. Stop listening to trash music.

Comments

  • I don't slow down, but I do get ready to hit the brake in case some fool runs their red light, some idiot pedestrian dashes across the road, or a troglodyte turns when it isn't clear.

    • Regardless of what you voted, next time to you get into 'defensive' mode next time you're at a crossroads with lights (or without), try to see if you do lift the accelerator. Even by a fraction. If that's what you do, then that is effectively 'slowing down'.

      • I travel the speed limit. Sometimes that means lifting the accelerator, sometimes it means pressing the accelerator, sometimes it means not touching it if cruise is on.

        • Adaptive cruise control is the best

          • @ShouldIBuyIt: Yeah I love it too. But I only switch it on if I'm on a freeway at 100kph.

            • @Cheap Bastard: Oh really. Didn't know I needed it until I got a new car. I just set and "forget". Car detects automatically when car in front slows down - which is not always obvious to notice.

              • @ShouldIBuyIt: Yeah. It's crazy how much we can rely on these things. Then get used to it like rear view or 360deg cameras. Then once we get into a random car without any of these features, it's almost like we forgot how to drive.

  • In the good old days when I went for my licence test one of the things I got picked up on was not covering the brake approaching a cross road. One of a couple of things that I hadn’t been taught in how to pass a licence test (no lessons, just parents). Don’t remember the others, but that one stood out.

    Do I do it now? I don’t typically cover the brake but maybe subconsciously back off. definitely don’t drop 5km/h and it’s more like just looking in preparation rather than actually slowing down.

    Shouldn’t go through an intersection without at least making an effort to see what’s coming. You never know when some idiot is going to blow through a stop sign/traffic light.

    Then again, if I really think about it I probably do a lot of stuff subconsciously after driving since last century and covering over a million kms.

    • It's interesting here that people like to focus on the '5kph'. It's all relative depending on current speed/situation. Even if I posted, "all I do is lift from time to time and the speed decrease varies slightly", the reaction would be the same.

      The vast majority of people here that say "No, this is dangerous" is the exact same camp as my wife. Not surprised, but I wouldn't have posted this if I had a partner that was on the "Yes" camp, because obviously I wouldn't have known it to be such a big deal.

      It's great to get this convo started anyways to get us thinking.

  • +6

    This is almost as bad as those people who take off 6 seconds after the lights have gone green, because they can't keep their eyes off their fricken phone.

    • -1

      I agree with the phone statement. That is completely dangerous and is equivalent to being in control of a vehicle with your eyes closed.
      There is no way that slowing down when approaching a sketchy intersection is in the same ballpark. Prove me wrong. =)

      • -1

        Your intentional slow down means a car behind you might cop a red light. If everyone slowed down for an intersection, many more people will cop the red light, which will disrupt the flow of traffic.

        • +1

          My intention to slow by a small margin, lets say 80>75 means I get more time to assess a tricky situation ahead. If something does pop out in front, I'd have more control and braking distance. Why should I put someone else's convenience behind me over the safety of mine or others ahead?

          • +3

            @Cheap Bastard: Your opening post implies you slow down much more than 5km. This is just going to piss people off, who may in turn road rage you.

            But you do you and we'll all try to avoid your dangerous driving.

            Fun little story:

            One time I saw a man in a brand new camry slow down / brake at a green light and the dude behind him went right up his ass.
            He then proceeded to argue with the man about how green means go and red means stop.

            Personally I don't think it's safer to slow down.

  • +11

    Let your wife drive.

    • OP would be worse with the nag than his wife.

  • +13

    OP probably stops at roundabouts and give way signs before proceeding. Yes it's one of my pet peeves.

    • +1

      Believe it or not, I also stop in front of zebra crossings. Crazy!

      • +2

        But only if there's pedestrians right?

        • Of course, as long as they're within 20 meters of the zebra crossing ;P

    • +15

      People who slow down and stop at roundabouts because they don't bother to look early annoy me as well. It's like they come to a stop and then decide to look to see if there's any traffic.

      Same with people who come to a stop at a slip lane when the traffic is moving in a way that means it's clear for them to just go through the lane without stopping.

      Also people who leave massive gaps in turning lanes during peak hour so that the cars behind end up spilling onto the main road, and people who take off slowly at turning lanes when the light is short.

      Oh and since I drive manual, people who come to a stop two car lengths (or something silly) behind the car in front of them at a set of lights, and then decide to creep forward after cars have stopped behind them to close the stupidly large gap they left. And people who slow down 30-40 metres behind cars stopped at a set of light and then decide to creep at 1-2 kms when they should just come to a complete stop.

      • +3

        Spot on. Can't never understand the creepers.

        • +3

          I just chalk it down to sheer stupidity.

        • You understand creepers are those that can't drive properly. So basically I'm saying they can't judge distance and start stop. They'll press on the break way too early and to compensate they'll have to accelerate to the stopping position. I hate this because this induces wear and tear over the life of the car much quicker.

          When I see those people I normally leave a wider gap than usual or change lanes and get of them.

      • +1

        People who slow down and stop at roundabouts because they don't bother to look early annoy me as well. It's like they come to a stop and then decide to look to see if there's any traffic.

        It depends on the roundabout and whether your view is partially obstructed on approach. I agree if it's a roundabout with clear view in all directions however.

        • +2

          Yes, in this case it’s a clear view. If the view is obstructed I don’t mind people slowing down of course.

      • +1

        I bet that felt good :-) can relate

  • +14

    Two golden rules of driving:

    • be predictable
    • don't be unpredictable

    What you're doing is borderline brake checking.

    Obligatory 'we live in a society comment': imagine if everyone started slowing down at lights? I'm not a confrontational person, but I'd make an exception for you.

    • -3

      Interesting remarks.
      Imagining a world where everyone slows down at lights vs a world where everyone doesn't.

      Which one of those worlds do you think would have more road injuries/deaths?
      Which one would arrive to their destinations later than usual?

      • +10

        Which one of those worlds do you think would have more road injuries/deaths?

        You completely missed the very valid point about predictability. Something that keeps us all safe on the road.

        Your driving behaviours, in this post and previous ones, are not predictable. You are an outlier. You are the unpredictable (read: dangerous) driver.

        • I agree with the 2 brief points made above. And no, it's not brake checking.

          So you don't want to answer my question that you referenced?

          • +1

            @Cheap Bastard: It's simply much safer to have traffic flowing smoothly. Less chance of an accident if everyone is going at 60km/hr, than random dips to some arbitrary speed.

            • @ozbargainsam: Agreed. The same applies to crowd filtering — some people seem unable to manage to walk through a busy pedestrianized intersection (eg. Flinders / Swanston Streets) or shopping centre crossway (eg. Centre of Chadstone SC), without colliding or blocking multiple other people. This may be a cultural skill, which you can observe in NYC, Tokyo, or Saigon, thousands moving rapidly on foot or bikes, achieving this flawlessly and seemingly without looking or pausing.

  • As you approach, look at the pedestrian light man on the opposing side. If it's still green, or flashing red, you have plenty of time.

    • +10

      He's not doing it in anticipation of a yellow light, he's doing it because of the off chance a car will enter the intersection illegally and cause an accident.
      Imagine living like that. As if something bad might happen at every single intersection that you have a green light for. The mind boggles.

      • -1

        It's not every single intersection. Only under sketchy conditions. Either way, better to remain cautious at all times when on the road. But I even fail to do that at times.

        • +5

          Well that contradicts your initial statement:

          I am generally a 'Yes' in this department.

          If you do it only under sketchy conditions, then it should be generally a "No".

          • @leiiv: Did you read the entire post? I admit, it's quite wordy.
            I shall edit that line for those that skip everything else to come to the conclusion that I do it at ALL intersections. Sometimes, I just lift off which can reduce the speed by 1km. For some here, that is toooo much.
            Thanks for the correction tip.

            • @Cheap Bastard:

              I slow down probably at least 5kph

              Sometimes, I just lift off which can reduce the speed by 1km.

              Lol these numbers are meaningless… Again, there's no way you look down at your speedo instead of the road ahead. Don't even try to quote what you think you're washing off

              • @spackbace: You prob have not car thingy where number put on car window. What dat call again?

                Either way, I did say 'probably' 5kph. Remember, it varies and I don't generally monitor the speedo to figure out how much I wash 'wash off'. It's more of an instinctive behaviour to be cautious under tricky conditions. If I said 1kph? Would that be better for you? Doubt it.

  • +11

    OP is an insecure menace to other drivers and likely brakes when merging onto freeways - time to do an advanced driving course mate.

    • -1
      • +2

        The part you highlighted is for if you're turning at the intersection, not for going straight ahead.

        Are you also waiting for a gap when going straight ahead when you have right of way?

        • Maybe you should read it in its entirety rather than just focus what I highlight. Make your own judgement, do what you feel is best/safest.

  • +3

    Is it just me or is this thread feeling a bit attention seeking.

    • +3

      Nah. Just an attempt to disprove what everyone else is telling him, that he is shit driver. But he is getting the same here too, lol

    • +3

      Op is a sick freak who loves the negative attentions

  • +2

    I slow to 95% of the speed limit as I approach an intersection, so that I can divert attention for the safety checks you mention while reducing the possibility of getting done for speeding. But I don't brake. I just ease up a little on the accelerator. And unless its a tricky intersection those checks are mostly completed 10m before I cross the threshold.

    • This… ^^ Probably the most sensible answer so far yet no one is liking it for some reason.

  • +3

    I'm not the safest driver in the world, I don't think anyone is

    Someone has to be

  • +4

    Are you also one of those who slows down when there’s a fixed speed camera even though you’re doing the speed limit?!

    • -5

      Actually, you know what? I am! If I am going the speed limit, I probably would ease off the accelerator a tad.

      • +4

        I think I should teach you how to drive.

        • -2

          I thought most people slowed down at any sort of speed camera to avoid getting fined. Even if I get a flash from a car to warn me that there is one on the side of the road, the check my speedo, and gently lift if it's close to the speed limit. If I don't know what the speed limit is for the stretch of road, I react the same.

          Anyways, I'll start here:
          https://mylearners.vic.gov.au/Stages/Stage2/LD-intersections….

          • +1

            @Cheap Bastard: If you're doing the speed limit you really don't need to worry about getting pinged at a speed camera, in Vic you get a 1-2 km/hr leeway over the posted speed. If the coppers were pinging everyone doing 1 km/hr over the limit they'd be raking it in.

            If you don't know what the limit is it might make sense to slow down a bit, but most of the time you should know what it is.

            Anyways, I'll start here:

            Lol I don't think you need to go that far back.

            • @Ghost47: On a serious note, I'm starting to be more curious about what has changed since I did my learners ~20 years ago. I'm sure driving rules evolve over time, otherwise it would still be that ugly a$$ handbook. I might actually consider revisiting it for fun.

              • +1

                @Cheap Bastard: I wouldn't say revisiting it for fun, I'd say revisiting it out of necessity

  • +7

    OMG you're one of those

  • Anyways, I think I've spent enough time on this. See my edit for my final thoughts. Add more comments. I'll check back from time to time if I feels like it. Take care and peace out. ✌️

    But a final question for those that said 'NO'.

    Q: Apart from the obvious, what potential hazard would you deem it being ok to slow down or lift when the traffic light is green at an intersection?

    • Distracted pedestrians waiting to cross - standing right at the edge. This is the bad-normal behaviour of pedestrians/meat-bags in the city. For some reason they doesn't stand a pace back from the edge - in Sydney these imbecilles ocassionally get squished by turning busses.

      I will also back off the accelerator if someone is tailgaiting me. Greater stopping distance is needed if you will be rammed from behind.

      If all is clear, full steam ahead.

      • +1

        So change your vote to, "Yes, depends on the situation"?

        Also if someone is behind tailgating me, I'd prefer to not aggrevate them by slowing. I just change lanes and carry on with my day driving next to semis 😏

  • You should perhaps slow down and be cautious during peak hours as soon as your light turns green. Plenty of times I’ve seen cars still in the way or about to be in the way - they keep going past the intersection on yellow even though there is not enough room to enter the new lane after turning.

  • +2

    Bikies!!!
    But this time PROPERLY!!!
    Use the bus from now!!

  • What is most annoying and dangerous is when motorists are doing 60 on 80kmh zones especially on springvale road southbound! I have seen drivers on phone and chatting and not paying attention to speed

  • How would I know there's an intersection if I am looking at my phone?

    • Turn the camera on and point it at the intersection. Thank me later.

  • +1

    At traffic lights no but people who approach the road im on from a side road at speed then jam on the brakes last second make me nervous. It that case i have slowed ready to stop as ive had quite a few pull out without looking.

  • +1

    Reducing speed 5kph doesn't really extend your reaction window and reduce brake distance. So I think it is safe to keep the speed you normally drive and just always be alert.

    • I've seen these studies from time to time.
      Obviously, the tires/tread and road conditions make a huge difference as well. In a perfect world, I like to think that those that dedicate their time and energy to creating these reports are not total dimwits and hopefully know what they're doing. Even 1 meter can mean the difference between life and death for any party. But that's generally done with hindsight.

  • +1

    I think its a mindset and posture of road use. For me when going throught intersections, without a clear view of both sides.
    Its become 2nd nature to feather the brakes or at least not blast through green lights at the legal speed limit.
    I've done this ever since riding motor bikes and road cycling. This defensive habit has crossed over to my driving of cars/vans.

  • -2

    100% I will slow down. Too many idiots on the road. Almost got rammed into by a few.

  • You should add a poll option for: yes, I slow down when I'm riding a motorcycle but not in a car.

    • Do you think you subconsciously lift when in a car based on your driving habits when on a bike?

  • +2

    Op probably drives a gold 2004 camry

  • +4

    You appear to be a bad driver.

    • +5

      See their other post where they nearly got taken out by a truck because they don't know how to merge…

      • +1

        Correction, the op appears to be a very bad driver.

  • +2

    I don't necessarily slow down, however I witnessed a fatal accident a little over 10 years ago when I was approaching a set of lights travelling along a highway (100kmh) and had a green light, and a car came steaming through its red on the perpendicular road (80kmh) and T-Boned the car just ahead of me (I suspect the driver had fallen asleep at the wheel as it was about 4:30am). I was lucky that it missed me as my old car likely wouldn't have faired too well in such an accident at such a high speed. Luckily the driver of the car which got hit was able to walk away, but the driver that ran the red was not so lucky and was killed.

    Ever since I always look left and right even when going through a green, just in case someone is coming through.

    • +6

      This is the way

      Slowing down and watching the speedo rather than the intersection is not going to avert these kinds of accidents. Travel at a constant speed and place your attention on the intersection. Are there cars stopped at the lights perpendicular to you or is it open for a car to hoon though? Are there pedestrians and kids around and what are they doing? Travelling at 55 vs 60 while staring at your speedo isn't going to help anyone.

      The time to be cautious is just after the light has turned green where perpendiculat traffic might be speeding through a red. There is an intersection near my place where trucks will go so late through a red that I have had to stop as the second car going through the intersection to avoid being taken out.

      • -2

        Not sure where you got the notion that I always look at my speedo rather than the intersection. But ok.
        FWIW, my car has a HUD.

        Based on your story, seems like there's more reason for you to be cautious at an intersection. I.e. you can approach an intersection at a slow down speed just as it turns green. Then increasing to get up to the speed limit can mean that you are potentially in the path of that truck. Or miss it, swerve and ram over a pram on a footpath. This is obviously just a one in a billion chance and it will likely never happen to you or me. But it sucks to know that probably has happened to someone.

        • FYI, only the very centre of your retina has enough resolution to make out writing so looking at your HUD still takes your eyes off the road. Activating your brake lights when there is no hazard in front of you is also distracting the drivers behind you who are then focusing on keeping a distance from you rather than the approaching intersection.

          If your behaviour is annoying your wife I think your slowing down at intersections is less subtle than you think. It is good advice to take heed of your wife 😉

  • You do you buddy, drive to the speed limit and to the weather conditions

  • -2

    I drive like this too. I've seen too many cars getting T-boned at the intersection outside of work to not risk it. Unless I want to get t-boned and get insurance money ;)

  • There is often a highway patrol car parked in a long 50k Rd I travel regularly. I drive past it cruise control on set at 52k GPS speed. Never been booked. I have been stuck behind dumb arses doing 37.

  • +2

    Are you one of those annoying drivers who slows down and when the light turns amber you go through the intersection leaving everyone behind you at the lights?

    • What's the rush for you to want to drive through a yellow?

      • No issue with covering the brakes for a moment up to a green light before you’re on top of the intersection but I wouldn’t dawdle through an amber

        • +1

          When I lift to cover brakes, I wouldn’t dawdle either. If I’m past a point where I think it’s safe, I accelerate through whether that is before, on top, or after the intersection.

  • +2

    Is OP the person who is responsible for 80kmh limits on freeways and 40kmh in buildup areas???

  • +5

    Red is stop.
    Green is go fast.
    Amber is go very fast.

    • -3

      Red is stop.
      Green is go as long as it is safe to do so.
      Amber is stop unless it is unsafe to do so.

      • -1

        Curious to know what the downvoter of my comment does at traffic lights…

        • Lighten up buddy. There was no need to correct what was obviously tongue in cheek. (No, it wasn’t me who negged you).

          And if someone had acted on what I said, then they’re stupid. Cheer up mate.

  • +2

    There is no problem slowing down if the situation is unclear or potentially unsafe.

    Another car approaching a red doesn't seem to be slowing down for example.

    • +1

      Agreed. There are a million other examples. But each person will argue over which ones are deemed hazardous enough and how much % they will slow down based on another million set of variables. The 'No' voters have made their point clear that they maintain speed until the 'potential' becomes inevitable, then brake hard suddenly. That's how I see it.

      • -1

        Yup, it's called defensive driving. Everyone should be doing it.

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