Popular gaming CPU for AM4 systems back in stock at scorptec. Matching the previous PCCG deal: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/739379
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D Processor $499 Delivered ($0 MEL/SYD C&C) @ Scorptec
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the difference between ddr4 and ddr5 for gaming is so marginal its still a good proposition to hold onto am4 with this cpu, yes the intel 13600 beats it in many cases and is cheaper but this at least lets me hold onto my 64gb of ram and current motherboard for another generation or two and just upgrade the gfx card when rdna3 comes out.
Plus not giving money to intel out of spite
Nobody should be buying into AM4 and going a top tier CPU. This CPU is now purely for those with existing hardware who want the best the platform can offer.
Unless you're in the niches of games like modded Skyrim and MS Flight Sim where the 5800x3d cache just rockets past anything else.
The only other option is to wait for AM5 X3D CPUs in 2023.Let's face it - if you're in that niche, you already own a B550 or X570.
Haven't seen a 5950x deal for quite a while
How's the second hand market for those? Not many people bothering to upgrade (or sidegrade really) away from them yet?
But thats the only model I wanna upgrade from my 5800x ha.
5600 for 170 or less pls
Worth to get i5-13600KF for $460 > this?
Can just sell my current cpu + AM4 mobo for a Z690.
Just going to be a hassle to take the mobo out.
Only if this is at $400 mark :/Why would you switch to another platform that is going to be EOL in 2023 with no real tangible benefit! Intel already stated that they will be doing to something new after 13th gen.
AM4 is EOL too tho
HODL for Intel fight back! Its a cycle.
Been wondering how much of an upgrade the 5800X3D would be.
I currently have a 5600X, but overclocked to all-core 4.6GHz. Runs stable and cool, too, and probably has headroom for a bit more.The 5800X3D has an extra two CPU cores, and the big L3 cache, but it only boosts to ~4.3GHz in a multi-core load, and can't be overclocked.
So by my back-of-envelope maths, it'd be 22% faster in workloads that use all eight cores; but the same speed on six cores or less.
How many games fully utilise eight cores?I don't think many games use more than a few cores, let alone all available to it but it also depends greatly on the game.
I watch a vid today by gamers nexus looking at the 13700K and Intel is ahead in the vast majority of games benchmarked. The difference in most is quite small though, some just being a few fps across the top 5 CPU's.
For purely gaming you want a few fast cores. Productivity works better with many cores.
I watched that recent Gamers Nexus video as well and just want to add that while the 13th gen Intel CPUs do seem to have the advantage over AMD's offerings, the power draw is quite high, especially the 13700k and above CPUs.
This is something worth factoring in when considering the long term cost of running the CPU and the amount of heat it generates (but hey, it'll keep you warm in winter at least).
Oh yeah I think the 13600K pulled 50W on average more than the 5800X3D. Going with Intel definitely needs investment in a beefier cooler.
Im building a 13600K build and hope the 240mm AIO is enough.
Key difference between the 5800X3D and Intel 13th Gen, is that I can just drop the AMD CPU into my existing setup. So $500 and I'm done.
With Intel 13th Gen, I'd need a new motherboard, ram, cpu cooler as well, so no longer a bargain upgrade.Yeah people in your situation who are already on the platform are the target market for this and is where the greatest value is at.
Bit of a double edged sword for AMD though since that CPU is so good, there's not much reason for current AM4 users to upgrade to the much more expensive AM5 socket which currently has no budget friendly options.
Given the fierce competition in the CPU market currently, the 13600KF seems to be the best value for people like myself doing complete budget builds.
I think the 3d cache is the thing that makes the big difference.
Still for casual I don't think having 140 fps makes much of a difference compared to 110fps
hardy any, your main advantages are in the additional cache
The main speedup doesn't come from the cores, but from the cache, and the design of the game/scripts running.
In the best case scenarios, where the CPU is being smashed on only one or two important threads, and needs to access a real lot of memory to generate the next frame, the speedup can be about 50% in terms of frame times. The benchmarks people are using for this are often not really that great at showing what's being improved - so they'll do counterstrike at 1080p and show a result of frame rates no monitor can display, and 4k results of high end games that end up GPU limited. This is fundamentally not what it's for or why it's good. If you throw it DCS World, you get this:
One other thing that didn't really come out in the reviews - while overclocking is locked down in BIOS and doesn't do much, you can still use PBO2 to run the x3d at lower power states. Almost all of these seem to be golden sample chips to run cool with the cache next to them, and they can be run even cooler, and for me that means much better sustained boost performance (I'm on an EVGA CLC 360mm AIO also) which only further increases the gains on things that aren't interested in deeply multithreaded games.
https://github.com/PrimeO7/How-to-undervolt-AMD-RYZEN-5800X3…
Oh and, while this will very likely result in good gains at no loss under load, for this, your main stability test is not going to be performance at load but performance at low power/idle states, where it's possible for the undervolt to drop so low it's unstable.
Thanks - that youtube video comparing an overclocked 5600X to the 5800X3D in real-world scenario was extremely relevant.
I ordered one, I only use my system for games so it seemed like a good way to extend the life of my 4 year old X470 mainboard and DDR4. Hopefully it kicks the upgrade can down the road another 4 years.
Not the same processor my man. The 3d part is extremely relevant here. Its an extra bit of cache texhnology that can make a massive difference in some games.
I see. Thanks for explaining.
You are quite welcome.
Its an exciting glimpse into the future. If AMD can being that same tech into the current generation 7xxx series they'll absolutely slay.
As it is it elevates this chip to match or even beat the new ranges flagships in many games. Which is a bit silly for AMD in terms of timing, but hey. Ill take it.
Only con is this is probably the end of the road on the older series motherboard socket. Versus investing in the new platform that probably has another generation of two left on it.
Note this is all for gaming. If productivity is a main consideration it leans back in favour of the new generation.
@[Deactivated]: No wonder I just consider the clock speed as my PC isn't mainly for gaming. Different use case ah ha.
@solacens: Raw clock speeds are becoming only part of the equation now, with things like this cache type, "boost" speeds, total power draw and thus heat/throttling limits kicking in after a short time, etc etc.
The world is just getting more complex, when will it all end. Lol.
Got a 3700x and a x570 mobo. Is it worth an upgrade?
I went from a 3600 to the 5800x3D about 3 weeks ago and it was definitely worth it for me and it was just a drop in replacement in my x570 board. I was tossing up between this and the 5900x since you can't overclock the x3D, but ended up picking the x3D since it had better 1% lows in the games I play.
For gaming, it depends on lots of factors - what GPU you have, what resolution/refresh rate you play at, what games you play…
Certain types of games love the cache (simulators like Assetto Corsa Competitzione, MMOs, some strategy games like Stellaris), and some games see limited benefit. It's generally the fastest gaming CPU on AM4 by a reasonable margin, and gets you part or most of the way towards the performance of Intel 13th gen and Ryzen 7000. The extra cache can often help minimum/low frametimes a lot, resulting in a much smoother, less stuttery experience.
For productivity, in a lot of cases it's basically an underclocked 5800X. Some tasks benefit from having more cache but it's less common. There are better CPUs than the 5800X3D for 'work'.
Scorptec has free delivery on orders over $200 btw, so got mine for $499 delivered.
With 7600x now at $389 and AM5 boards & DDR5 dropping in price AM5 might become viable soon enough unless you’ve already got an AM4 board and DDR4.