Another Solar Quote Help VIC

dasher86 on 22/11/2022 - 15:51

So i got a few quotes for 6.6kwh system in VIC.
Prices exclude VIC rebate and Vic Loan

Quote 1 - ABN Active from 2019
16 × 415W Jinko Solar Tiger Pro - JKM415M-54HL4
1 × Solis S5-GR1P5K · 5000W
Subtotal = $8,790
STC = $2,590 (70^6 * 37)
Total $6,200

Quote 2 - ABN Active from 2020
16 x LONGi Solar Hi-MO 5m LR5-54HPH-415M (415W)
Sungrow Power Residential SG5K-D (5kW)
Subtotal $8,160
STC = $2,660 (70^1 x 38)
Total = $5,500

It's quite confusing understanding which panel / inverter is better - anyone care to provide some advice?

Thanks

Home & Garden Solar Energy System

Comments

    • try2bhelpful on 22/11/2022 - 16:41
      +2

      You might want to elaborate on that comment.

      • Mcuser on 22/11/2022 - 16:45
        -3

        not hard to figure out

        • askbargain on 22/11/2022 - 16:49
          +14

          can you elaborate tomorrow when your word quota resets?

        • try2bhelpful on 22/11/2022 - 17:04
          +3

          If you feel this then why not just lay out what your opinion is based on. Then it would be a helpful comment.

        • iDroid on 22/11/2022 - 20:37
          +1

          Yes it is, because everyone's situation is different.

          So, please elaborate.

  • baronorder on 22/11/2022 - 17:44

    I think the above is more complaining about it not being worth the money installing a solar system. Which can be true depending on what you want and how you plan to use it.

    Mcuser is probably thinking that you just throw a solar system up and go swimming in the pools of cash sent your way by the power company for your grid feed in - pretty much everyone did this for years and yes now the tarrif is so low that payoff will take forever / never happen and that warm fuzzy feeling of at least trying to do something to help is a lost point on some people.

    If you are planning on adapting your lifestyle and using the all of the power you create (so do washing, dishwasher, run cooling / heating all during peak solar hours in order to timeshift your power use as much as possible) in order to maximise your investment then you probably will see a return in less than 10 years with the way energy prices are going not to mention that previously stated warm fuzzy feeling.

    Or if you are planning on getting a battery then now would probably be the time to look at it and install a larger ~10kw system instead of a 6.6kw to prevent you having to redo things later on.

    • Mcuser on 22/11/2022 - 17:57
      -8

      The good days are gone, don’t be fooled by saving the environment lol
      You know our panels are made in China fueled by coal bought from us?
      Where do they go when have had it? Not recycled.

      10 years mine payed for itself in 2.

      • baronorder on 22/11/2022 - 18:02
        +6

        You must be confusing this with Twitter where short snappy replies of zero useful content are the goal.
        Its an easy mistake to make.

        • Mcuser on 22/11/2022 - 18:05
          -2

          Unlike you wouldn’t be seen dead on twitter lol

      • try2bhelpful on 22/11/2022 - 18:43
        +2

        The payback for the energy required to create the panels is 1 to 4 years. Presumably the timeframe is based on the conditions for generation and the efficiencies of the panels. Most people would be looking at an investment of 10 years plus. The panels we've been looking at, have an estimated working life of 40 years and are guaranteed for 40 years. However, you do pay extra for this technology and I, expect, there will be some electronics replacements during that timeframe.

        Perhaps early days but recycling of materials is under way. This will be an ongoing industry.
        https://www.re-alliance.org.au/solar_recovery_corp

        Panels are, often, made in China, probably, using coal; but China is, also, one of the leading solar generators. It is not unlikely that future panels will be made using energy from solar farms. Transitioning technology is, often, like that.

        Solar panels are not a get rich quick investment; the payback will be over many years. However, they will reduce your bills and, especially in summer, they will allow you to run the air con with a lot less guilt.

        Frankly, the issue we have is will solar generation at the "state" level get to the point where our home panels are, effectively, obsolete. Our other concern is we are, very, inner city so me might get built out so our panels can't get enough sunshine.

        If I lived out in the middle of nowhere, with lots of roofline, I would get a large array system and work towards getting a battery and being, mostly, off grid.

        • Mcuser on 22/11/2022 - 19:05
          -3

          Sure, I guess thinking like that that makes you sleep at night

      • iDroid on 22/11/2022 - 20:40
        +3

        If you have high daytime usage then panels are brilliant value.

        And with the cost of electricity going up and up, it's value is only increasing.

        I'm not sure I understand your point.

        • Mcuser on 22/11/2022 - 21:21

          So good for pensioners

          • iDroid on 22/11/2022 - 21:26
            +2

            @Mcuser: Are you so self absorbed that you think everyone is like you and lives like you?

            Anyone who works from home and has a large house will have reasonably high daytime energy use.

            Seems you don't, but heck - we're not YOU.

            • Mcuser on 22/11/2022 - 21:39
              -2

              @iDroid: I do work from home in a 40 square home with pool and ducted air

              • cookie2 on 22/11/2022 - 22:33

                @Mcuser: Ahhh a pensioner. I see.

              • iDroid on 23/11/2022 - 09:31
                +1

                @Mcuser: So you have issues with math?

                I'm still keen to hear why "not worth it anymore and will only get worse"

                Because everything I see indicates the opposite.

                If you're focused on feed-in then you're doing it wrong.

                The price of electricity looks to be getting more expensive in the short/medium term. Solar is providing more value every day and it's already net positive.

                What am I missing?

  • baronorder on 22/11/2022 - 17:56
    +2

    To follow up on your original question those system are pretty similar as neither are using top of the range anything but that is not really a huge issue depending on what you want.

    The system is bang on for an "install it and lower my bills a bit" type of result, if you want to make best use of it you will need to look at some lifestyle (timeshifting) / other changes like using a couple of oil column heaters on smart switches during winter to heat the house up during peak production hours in winter and a heat pump hot water system down the road etc.

    Both quotes are in the realm of reasonable for a system of that size installed but I would probably lean toward quote 2 as the price is better and the equipment is decent quality.

  • Drakesy on 22/11/2022 - 18:36
    -1

    Oof That would be touch and go for me.

    I had my 6.6kwh installed for $2250 last year and its probably paying back around $500 a year at WA's crappy tariff rates. So around 5 years to break even

    At $6000 you're looking at closer to 12 years which i'd even contest may not be worth it. Mind you the way over east's electricity prices are going it'll probably pay off a lot sooner.

    I'd go quote 2, not sure about sungrow inverters but my Growatt one is going great.

    • dasher86 on 22/11/2022 - 18:43

      Thanks.

    • iDroid on 22/11/2022 - 20:47
      +3

      paying back around $500 a year at WA's crappy tariff rates.

      Is that taking into consideration the cost of the power consumed also?

      I'm using between 20 - 40kwh a day from my 6.6kw system, will be adding another 6.6kw as I can consume more. We're home most the time (work from home) so lots of daytime energy use.

      For our household, solar is a no brainer - feedin? who cares, I'm saving regardless.

      My system paid for itself in just over 1 year.

      • Drakesy on 22/11/2022 - 21:40

        Yeah found we were maybe cutting our bill in half during the winter and writing it off during the summer
        All in saving around $500 a year. 2c a kwh doesn't go far (pretty sure wa has the worst feed in tariff in australia)

        Admittedly we're a low usage household
        In the vicinity of 10-15kwh a day

  • KITT888 on 22/11/2022 - 19:00

    Check out Dual glass solar panels. They claim 30% extra gain and are fire rated. Also check out Fronius Gen24 inverter. It has a PV point. You’ll have 3kw of power during black out as long as sun is shining even without battery.

  • Jugganautx on 22/11/2022 - 19:14

    I got 16 x jinko tiger N Type - 25 year panel warranty P type has only 12 because they are mostly for commercial use.

    And Goodwe 5000-MS installed for $5228 a month ago.

  • netjock on 22/11/2022 - 21:09
    +2

    You could do better prices.

    Both budget conscious kits so not much between them.

    I installed in Sep and STC was $3k on a 6.6kw system (STC price will reduced if you don't install before 31st Dec 2022). Ended up paying $2k (after VIC rebate and loan). They installed within 2 weeks. Melbourne metro, single story, concrete tiles.

    Company with ABN from 2012 but they subcontract out. 5 years workmanship warranty (some offer 10) save your money and get an inspection at 3 years to make sure you get things fixed under warranty.

    PM me if you want to know.

    • Mcuser on 22/11/2022 - 21:22
      -2

      Warranty = 0

      • netjock on 23/11/2022 - 12:31

        Here is an undiscovered genius. Only answers not explanation required.

    • SJDR on 23/11/2022 - 16:51

      hi Netjock

      Can you let me know who you went with?
      We're looking for quotes at the moment

      ta

      • netjock on 23/11/2022 - 17:09

        PM me? I am on holidays right now and unless I VPN OzB doesn't let me message. Already PM OP back if you want to check I'm not a scammer :D

  • 2esc on 23/11/2022 - 12:34

    My solar install didnt make a huge difference to our bill but when we went from electric hot water to a heat pump for the hot water it made a dramatic drop in our bills.

  • resisting the urge on 23/11/2022 - 13:11
    +2

    Wholesale cost of those options with rails and inverter is $4200 to 4500 inc GST. Add wiring, connectors, glands and you add a couple of hundred depending. Installation probably about $2k, if simple (can be done in one day).

    Overall price is ~2k too high.

    • netjock on 23/11/2022 - 17:12

      Installation probably about $2k

      $2k is the number on my itemised bill (installed Sep 22).

      Those who didn't itemise their quotes (they just go these panels and this inverter installed). We making $4k - $6k for a half day job. It all sounds good for their 10 year labour warranty which is twice the CEC standard (5 years) but they are quoting for installing it twice without having to do the second round.

    • dasher86 on 23/11/2022 - 17:58

      Surprisingly or not surprisingly those are the cheapest quote I am getting.
      Remember these don't include the solar Vic rebate.
      Even other companies that people have recommended are are coming in only a few hundred dollars less if that.

  • unity1 on 24/11/2022 - 20:14

    Which area are you in? Anyone in Melbourne dealt with Amazing Solar?

    Anyone know how much the VIC rebates, STC's etc with be at the start of 2023? Just starting my search and don't want to make any rash decisions.

    • unity1 on 25/11/2022 - 17:49

      Decided to go ahead with an ~ 6.6kW system with Jinko panels Goodwe inverter $4K out of pocket.

      • dasher86 on 25/11/2022 - 18:09

        I ended up quote 2.

        • unity1 on 25/11/2022 - 18:21

          Nice. Hope it all goes well and saves you $$$

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