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13-inch MacBook Pro M1 8GB/ 512GB looks to be cheap (Silver colour only)
MacBook Pro 13.3" M1 8-Core CPU 8-Core GPU 8GB/512GB Silver $1597 + Delivery ($0 to Metro/ C&C/ in-Store) @ Officeworks
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Lrize2love on 20/10/2022 - 12:31 officeworks.com.au (3577 clicks)
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Tell them the price wayward sonnnn
There'll be cashback when you are done
Looks good.
Pro tip - I would get the 256GB version and just buy yourself a good 1/2TB external SSD that you can velcro to the lid if you like, cheaper then the 512GB version and works great. Obviously won't suit everyone as you miss out on some high end SSD speeds
The 256GB in silver is $50 more than the 512GB lol.
It's ~$1400 in "space grey" colour though so thats ~$200 cheaperYeah I only saw the space grey colour, funny that the prices are so different.
No where has stock and jb won't match it as these were old stock..Product code doesn't match.
What a terrible suggestion lol
Using external storage isn’t bad if it works for you but yeah wouldn’t ever attach it to the lid
I just print all my files on paper and duct tape a briefcase to my laptop with all my stuff. Much better than paying extra $50 for a bigger drive
Lol
You would also get some very odd looks.
16gb RAM is more important than 512gb storage.
I own multiple Apple silicon products, including an M1 MacBook Air. They're great products that are super fast, efficient, have great preformance and battery life, but can we please stop with the hyperbolic BS?
Couldn't be more wrong, this is not a PC.
Yes, it runs a different operating system and has a different architecture to most Windows laptops, but this is a personal computer, i.e. a PC.
Check out the reviews, Unified 8GB ram can run more then 32GB PC can…
This is also complete BS. "Unified" just refers to the fact that the RAM is shared between the CPU and graphics processor. There is nothing inherently "different" about the architecture that can magically turn 8GB of RAM into 32GB of RAM. Remember the ads from the 80s where you could "install" more RAM with software, this is the exact same BS, doesn't change that Apple is the one saying it.
I have an M1 iMac with 8GB RAM and an M1 MBA with 16GB RAM. When I open 60 Chrome tabs on the 8GB M1, it crashes and slows to a halt, doesn't happen on the 16GB M1. Simple monitoring software can show the difference in memory usage.
Again, I love my M1 products, but let's not buy into the snake oil.
Cmon man haha yes the unified ram is shared but its also right next to the CPU, which results in significantly faster processing. There is a lot of technical reasons it's structurally different.
What are the technical reasons? I have a computer science background so would love to learn.
Agreed on the point of the RAM being located on the same die leading to lower latency which improves performance when writing / reading from RAM, but that has nothing to do with "8GB being like 32GB". Being located on the same die is also not a "different architecture" or "structurally different", the way that the CPU interacts with the RAM (i.e. the architecture) is still the same as Intel / AMD / all other ARM CPUs.
@p1 ama: And this is just it. 8GB is 8GB. No matter how fast or slow this 8GB is. It is still only 8GB. It cannot hold more data concurrently.
Check out the reviews, Unified RAM is approx 3.9x faster then DDR4, hence 8GB = 32GB on PC.
Cool so since Apple's SSDs are also around 4x faster than my old SATA SSDs, should I take it that 256GB is the same capacity as my 1TB SSD? Can my two-seater MX-5 also carry the same number of people as a Kia Carnival because it's faster?
haha you clearly can't let it go
And you've still not provided any "technical reasons" which you promised. Do you actually know what you are saying, or just pulling together words and numbers you've heard from here and there to jump to conclusions that are convenient for you?
Please tell me more how an average person needs more then 8GB/M1 combo.
I agree the average person is likely fine with an M1 with 8GB RAM, it doesn't make 8GB equal to 32GB. That's like saying my Camry is as fast as a Ferrari, and when others disagree, saying "please tell me more how an average person needs more than a Camry", completely non-sequitur.
(FYI - I'm not negging you, just having a mature discussion - so let's not be children. As I said before, I have a background in this area, so would love to learn more about how you can turn 8GB of RAM into 32GB)
Can my two-seater MX-5 also carry the same number of people as a Kia Carnival because it's faster?
Going by @croseks logic, yes. Since your two seater can transport 8 people, it is an 8 seater. Just has to make 8 trips.
A Ferrari is also basically a bus.
@p1 ama: I'll come in defence of croseks, he's technically wrong and wrong by margins, but the spirit of what he's saying is correct.
An 8GB M1 is not equal to an 8GB Intel, when talking macOS. Where an 8GB might be choked on an Intel system, you'll find a bit more breathing room on the M1. I wouldn't say it's more than 32GB like he did, if I were to make an equivalence it would be more like 14GBs. While a 16GB M1 closer to a 24GB Intel model, and a 32GB M1 closer to a 40GB Intel. At least that's what all the "Mac Experts" have been claiming this past year.
Where you see biggest impact is with iGPU and Graphics Rendering performance. But other tasks will show little to no gains. Indeed the system is unified (or closer as he said) and that does have an effect. On top of that, it's newer memory and it's more optimised hardware wise and software wise.
The same goes for the M1 Pro and M1 Max, but you see diminishing returns on the faster hardware and higher memory units.
An 8GB M1 is not equal to an 8GB Intel, when talking macOS. Where an 8GB might be choked on an Intel system, you'll find a bit more breathing room on the M1.
Except this is not quite true, and no official sources actually say this.
Have a look at the video Apple released to macOS developers: https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2020/10686/
What do they actually say about the unified memory architecture?
Now, the new Apple Silicon Macs combine all these components into a single system on a chip, or SoC. Building everything into one chip gives the system a unified memory architecture. This means that the GPU and CPU are working over the same memory. Graphics resources, such as textures, images and geometry data, can be shared between the CPU and GPU efficiently, with no overhead, as there's no need to copy data across a PCIe bus.
In simple language, this just means that there is lower latency as RAM is now on the same die as the CPU and GPU and there is no longer dependence on the PCIe bus. The net result is that performance in tasks with a lot of random reads and writes to memory (or IOPS) will see improved performance, which is exactly what we observe in the real world.
You can go through the rest of the video and see what they have to say, but never is it mentioned anywhere that unified memory behaves like higher capacity memory would.
On top of that, it's newer memory and it's more optimised hardware wise and software wise.
Except it's not newer memory, the M1 uses LP-DDR4X, and the M1 Pro / Max / Ultra use DDR5. They are literally the same chips coming off the same fabs as what goes into a stick of DDR4 or DDR5 that you would install in a desktop. Again, there is no "magic". But yes, agreed on the software optimisation.
Ultimately, this is all a moot point because speed = / = capacity. I use my M1 for a lot of large datasets and it handles them really well because of the fast read/write to memory. However, I cannot load a 6GB dataset on my 8GB RAM M1 because the capacity is just not there. However, it works perfectly on my 16GB RAM M1. Trying to suggest otherwise is literally selling snake oil.
@p1 ama: Yes, I agree, but when you're doing a task that churns through RAM constantly like rendering, the tighter latencies will accomplish that task similar to using a larger but slower memory.
Instead of the car analogy, think of it like you're trying to move a pile of rocks from one garden to another. You can have a big wheelbarrow with an older worker who is new to this job site, and he will accomplish the task going back and forth in a short amount of time. Or have a younger worker who knows this work site better and he is faster, but his wheelbarrow is small, it's actually half the size. And what you will see is that he won't accomplish the task in twice the length of period. In some instances, he will be faster (smaller rocks) and in some instances (larger rocks) he will be slower. But it's game over once you find a rock that fits on the large wheelbarrow but cannot fit in the small wheelbarrow.
So your "overall performance" is a balance between speed and capacity, only when talking about tasks that rely on memory. But there could be tasks too large to be held in small memory, making this moot.
….but yeah, to say 8GB=32GB is snake oil, a more modest x1.1-x1.6 figure would have been fine to proclaim.
but yeah, to say 8GB=32GB is snake oil, a more modest x1.1-x1.6 figure would have been fine to proclaim.
…or just say it's 8GB because it is. $8 isn't suddenly $10 in a discount supermarket. These hypothetical figures don't replace speccing out a machine for a task.
Swapping and fast swap probably means that things like web browsing, office apps and other apps used in review can be shuffled in and out of ram with minimal impact to the user due to fast swap speeds. Certain memory intensive workloads will suffer though and it will be an 8gb for them.
To use your wheel barrow and rock analogy, a wheel barrow with capacity of 8 might allow swapping smaller objects in more easily. For example a combination of rocks with size 1. It won't hold anything else with a rock of size 8 and two rocks with a size of 5 will be difficult to work with.
Check out the reviews, Unified RAM is approx 3.9x faster then DDR4, hence 8GB = 32GB on PC.
LOL! That's not how RAM works. Oversimplifying things, the speed to swap and therefore SSD speed is the bottle neck if you go over 8GB.
Now, that might be OK depending on your workload. I had an Intel Mac with 32GB ram and 8gb M1 at one point. I wouldn't even bother trying to run certain tasks on the M1 with 8GB because it straight out wouldn't handle it. M1 Max on the other hand is amazing with the same workload.
@croseks: How the f does ram speed have anything to do with its capacity?!?!? Dumbest thing ive read today
@croseks: Lols ouch, dude you literally got schooled here 😂. If I were you, I'd leave the convo already.
Check out the reviews, Unified RAM is approx 3.9x faster then DDR4, hence 8GB = 32GB on PC.
This comment hurts my brain. I love watching people without any understanding of computer architecture arguing with the people who actually know how computer works.
The argument is like the Lamboghini is 4x faster than my Corolla, hence Lambo's boot is 4x my corolla's boot.
I have a 14’ MBP with M1 pro and 16gb ram. It handles everything I throw at it. It has much better cooling, faster charging and the build quality is far better to any MacBook/MacBook Pro I’ve used in the past 10 years.
I am someone that opens heaps of tabs and my previous 2019 MBP would become noticeable slow and freeze up with 40 tabs. Yet the M1 laptops handle it with ease. If you can afford it, definitely upgrade to 16gb of ram. You’ll have a lot more headroom and future proofing.
After 10 years of crappy laptop design. It’s great to see Apple return to functional products.
Do tell what david copperfield-esque magic apple manage to do to be able to run 32GB worth of 0s and 1s within the confines of 8GB?
Didn't you see? It's closer to the CPU!!!
haha.. Even apple make it 4GB, there still will be apple fans find excuses why it is more than enough.
I own M1 MacBook (16gb ram), and M1 Mac Mini(8gb ram), I definitely can see the difference when doing heavy duty editing.
If only doing web browsing, office data entry, entertainment stuff, or even photo editing, 8gb m1 is enough. But beyond that, 16gb is a much better choice.
Please don't confuse RAM speed with capacity.
To put it simply, your computer needs to load a program into RAM in order to be able to execute it. The RAM speed means it can effectively run it with less delay (also depending on the CPU cycles) but it doesn't mean it can load any more data into the same RAM amount. If you try to load more instructions/data in than you have available RAM, then the computer has to offload some of the instructions/data to your hard drive in order to make room. Because your hard drive is very slow compared to the speed of RAM this is where you notice a performance hit. So having more RAM means you can load more/bigger programs into RAM without having to 'swap' any of it out to your hard drive. This is why having an SSD instead of a platter hard drive gives you such a nice performance increase, because the SSD is far faster.Lmao…
Since it's the same having 16gb and 8gb RAM, why not go for a 4gb Mac or even 2gb? All the same, right?
you could be crucified by the internet for saying this a year ago, but now more and more come to their sense and be more realistic. i'm not against the m1 8gb mac, it is a great and powerful machine but all the nonsense that 8gb = 16gb or even 32gb has to stop.
Agreed, 8GB doesn't cut it nowadays. 16 should be the standard base model now.
Wow, Pro and 8GB are in the same sentence.
😂
Different with ARM and Unix regarding usage. Daily drove this at my IT job and had no worries.
8GB is 8GB and is definitely not pro.
Debate all you want but during actual business use with lots of tabs and apps, I never experienced an issue.
Apple RAM and HDD are stuck in 2012 levels.
Last MacBook I bought was in 2013 and it had a 512GB SSD and was the same price as this deal.
Yeah mine is 2016 and I'm not upgrading until I can get at least the same at the base level
No stock in WA.
No stock anywhere
8gb no thanks.
Came here for the 8gb only comments
The only legit comment with no reply
JUST TO SUMMERISE THE COMMENTS
- It might crash if you open 60 tabs in chrome
- 8 gb is not 32 gb
- people don't like the use of the word pro on models with 8 gb of ram despite the fact you might do some professional tasks on it like word processing or using web apps (with less than 60 tabs open of course)
- velrcoing ram to the back of your macbook is a way to save money and impress your friends.
Do you think word processing is a PROfessional task? If you want to open Word, Visio or Chrome with a couple of tabs, almost any laptop is up to the job. Calling it a "Pro" is obvious marketing bullshit, but either way it is up to the consumer to be informed about their requirements.
velrcoing ram to the back of your macbook is a way to save money and impress your friends.
That seems complicated when you can just download more RAM.
8 gb is not 32 gb
I just checked with a mathematician, can confirm 8 is not equal to 32
But a physicist debunks this. Stating that 8 could be 32. Just depends on a number of factors. Like which universe we are in. Etc. But it was over my head so could not grasp the concept.
How many excel sheets did it take to confirm that?
Would 8gb of ram be enough to open the excel?
Mathematician. What would they know?
Any expert in intersectional wokeness can authoritatively tell you that if the 8GB wants to identify as 32GB than you have to respect that and use their preferred pronouns at all times.
The 8GB is 8GB and wants to identify as 8GB. Open and shut case - no need to bring your wokeness here.
What would this be equal to in Intel terms 11th gen i5 or i7
If you wish to get technical it's closer to an android phone. It's just the software is optimised for the hardware! But yes i5, as it's 8 cores not dual threaded.
I don't own a MacBook and have for the most part always been windows (have a Dell xps right now).
with that said, apple is leagues ahead of any windows laptop in terms of performance/battery life/size
LOL. No it's nothing like an Android Phone. ARM is just an architecture - don't let its use in mobile devices confuse you. Processors can be optimised for any class of device.
It outperforms the top of the range processors in Android phones:
https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-qualcomm_snapdrago…It also does well against x86 CPUs in benchmarks:
https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/cpu-apple_m1
The critiques on the RAM are both valid and non-valid - 16GB+ is absolutely the smarter choice for future proofing, but really do want to echo how mindblowingly well the 8GB M1 Air/Pro handles pretty much everything I chuck at it, even in the audio / video production space, while going through a 4K 60 monitor. I'm not a power user by any means, but more-so than the regular person, and I can't fault it or get it to struggle.
There's some sweet magic going on, but yes, I agree that magic does not eliminate the shortcomings of low capacity RAM in many use cases.
That's mainly because of the unified architecture where the SSD is on the same die as the RAM which makes it fast and quick to respond so a lot of times you are swapping on the SSD without noticing. The issue with that is SSDs have a limited lifespan in terms of number of terrabytes written to them (TBW), so you are actually wearing your SSD if you do a lot of swaps. The bigger issue with that is since the SSD is part of the processor die, if it dies, your whole laptop dies with as it is not replaceable. The worst thing is Apple being Apple wont publish the maxuimum TBW of its M1 and M2 SSDs so you are betting on them being very durable because they are your most volnurable point of failure. The average Joe won't worry about this but if you are a pro, better get the 16GB model for this very reason. Alright Apple fanboys, bite me now!
Are you sure the ssd is on the die?
SSD definitely isn't on die and neither is the RAM. The RAM is part of the package.
Correct, I stand corrected on that one, BUT the proprietary way they have soldered the RAM and the SSD right next to the processor is definitely the reason for the low latency which makes it a brick if the SSD fails due to high swapping. So my point still stands: if your SSD fails, you need to change the entire motherboard which, in Apple world, means writing the poor lappy off.
@Rimas: actually in your defence im sure ssd controller may be on the die (just not the flash chips themselves), so you were partially correct
Efficient video and image handling is squarely in the architectures wheel house. If the apps you use take advantage of Apple's APIs, then yeah you're in a sweet spot with these machines. Those gains don't necessarily translate more generally though.
My Samsung Ultrabook is 11-12 years old with 8GB ram 🤣
It can handle 30-40 chrome tabs, but struggling to do anything else.
Due for an upgrade soon, looking at 32GB ram.
Barely see that other than gaming laptops
14" MBP/Dell XPS? or maybe it's time to change your browsing habits:
- Use tab search (ctr/cmdl+shift+a)
- Add-on to suspend tabs
omg limited 5 per customer
There goes my plans to buy 10 out the window. 😜
I remember the same thing were said about iPhone’s RAM. But no one is comparing the amount of cores and ram between an iPhone and a Galaxy nowadays.
8GB is enough if it works well. 32GB is not better if it doesn’t work. With Apple dumping Intel and going their own way both hardware and software wise it is becoming more and more meaningless to simply counting cores and gigs.
If one have doubt, I suggest buying it from Apple store and have 14 days to return or try it out in store and see for yourself if it is fast.
Tell em the price son. The price son.