Whats The Real Life Petrol Usage of a Toyota Corolla Hybrid/Kia Pincato GT (for Food Delivery)

Aerith-Waifu on 17/09/2022 - 16:39

Made $24000 in driving for uber/doordash/menulog/panda in the last 5 months, putting on 30000km on my Golf which uses 98 petrol, ouch. Cost an arm and leg on the petrol alone, can still sell for around $10k at the moment as its still only on 100000km.

Looking to upgrade to either Kia Pincato GT at $21000 or the Toyota Corolla Hybrid at $31000, any drivers out there can give me a recommendation? Or other new car for mainly used for driving? Will consider demo but I am eyeing on the 2 above.

Can you kindly share:

1: Full tank of petrol on the corolla hybrid, how many kms can you get out of it and how much is a full tank using 91?
2: Full tank of petorl on the Kia Pincato GT, how many kms can you get out of and how much is a full tank using 91?

Thank you so much

Automotive Car Kia Toyota

Comments

  • pegaxs on 17/09/2022 - 17:09
    +2

    Wife owns a 2019 Corolla Hybrid and it gets about 6l/100km (16km/l) on average around town. So it gets around 750~800km/tank. Maybe more if it was pure stop/start city driving.

    Friend owns a Picanto GT-Line (non-turbo, auto) and says they get about 6.8/100km (14.7km/l) on average, (mostly town, residential and rural cycles) and says he gets about 450ish km from a tank.

    Corolla has a 50l tank compared to the Picanto's 35.

    Like anything, YMMV and this is a study of two very different drivers. 40+yo female in a Corolla vs 35yo (yet sensible) male in a Picanto.

    • kerfuffle on 17/09/2022 - 17:47
      +2

      It's actually 43L for the current Corolla hybrid

      • pegaxs on 17/09/2022 - 17:57

        Well, there you go, I got lied too… but that makes much more sense.

    • [Deactivated] on 17/09/2022 - 21:18
      +1

      Yup that is pretty accurate. Pretty much the same as the Camry Hybrid.

      Keep in mind that Hybrids have batteries that will eventually need to be replaced so be wary that you may need to fork out a few thousand when the time comes.

      Dad is a cabby and has been driving a Hybrid camry for work. Really fuel efficient for a large sedan. It currently has half a mil km's on it. Maintenance? Battery was replaced and that costed over $3000. Also the brakes on the car had completely stopped working at one point too but that wasn't an expensive fix.

      The battery replacement cost could possibly negate all the fuel savings but I'm not 100% sure on all the math.
      The Picanto is a great little car to have but it's small size might be the breaking point for some.

    • lgacb08 on 17/09/2022 - 21:34
      +1

      Geez, I thought hybrid has to do better than that, the Mazda 3 skyactiv can get that similar mileage without a battery in it.

      • 0FoxGiven on 17/09/2022 - 22:06

        Ye that doesnt sound right. I get 5.8-6l for 100km on my Rav4 Hybrid. I would imagine a sedan would give a much better mileage

        • pegaxs on 17/09/2022 - 22:20

          We have had it down to around 4.5l/100km, but it varies depending on where the wife drives it. 6km/100km was a conservative over estimate to err on the side of fairness.

          • The GM on 19/09/2022 - 13:23

            @pegaxs: I also find AC usage plays a big factor. I always run my AC so sit at 6L/100km for my RAV4 Hybrid. One week I tried without using the AC at all, and got it down to 5.2L/100km.

            I'll always choose comfortable AC over a couple dollars in fuel. I know - I'll turnover my OzB Badge and Gun and be on my way.

    • Aerith-Waifu on 18/09/2022 - 00:45

      Thanks for the information, really helps when putting into excel

    • Aerith-Waifu on 18/09/2022 - 01:02

      Thanks for sharing, I am actually a bit surprised its not more, as at the moment a full tank on my VW I can get 760km.

      • mulimulix on 18/09/2022 - 14:19
        +1

        I've owned a Picanto GT auto for over a year and can confidently say there is zero chance you'll get to 450kms on a tank driving in the city. I pretty much only do city driving and am lucky to get below 8l/100km and usually fill up after around 250km per tank but it'd probably last only a bit over 300km until empty most times.

        • Aerith-Waifu on 19/09/2022 - 23:03

          Oh thats little, so $50 of petrol only last 300km? thats expensive……………

          • [Deactivated] on 21/09/2022 - 11:49

            @Aerith-Waifu: Yeah…fuel consumption has not improved at all much. Infact we found a 2004 Kia Rio to be slightly more efficient than a 2015 Toyota Yaris. And they also get fuelled up after 200-300kms.

  • askbargain on 17/09/2022 - 17:17

    Made $24000 in driving for uber/doordash/menulog/panda in the last 5 months

    and they say food delivery is expensive and that profits mainly go to the company lol

    • [Deactivated] on 17/09/2022 - 17:40
      +4

      it's not clear, but that figure is likely not including the petrol cost. as far as i'm aware, you pay for your own petrol when driving for those services. he probably spent around 6 grand on petrol

    • pegaxs on 17/09/2022 - 18:01
      +5

      Then you have to minus expenses, rego, insurance, fuel, servicing, wear and tear. It's not $24k straight in the pocket.

      • askbargain on 17/09/2022 - 18:13
        +1

        if it's not profitable, i doubt he would be making this forum post

        • [Deactivated] on 17/09/2022 - 18:42

          profitable in the short term, but if you are putting 30,000 KM's on your car every 5 months, your car is not going to last.

          long term profitability is not looking as good, you'll probably be looking at a new car every few years, out of necessity.

          • Aerith-Waifu on 18/09/2022 - 01:14

            @[Deactivated]: This is how I work it, I started with nothing, if on average I am averaging around $1 per km, as the 30000km including private usage as well. My food delivery i estimate is around 24000km per 5 months.

            If I can say get the car to 150000km without too much problem, I would have made around $75000 on the car before costs. Plus I got the car for $8000 before the covid and I work from home doing nothing on the car, which to me it really works out well.

            Just an example, a friend of mine have a Honda CRV which he bought new, cost around $40k at the time, because his workplace is on the other side of the town which he average around 130km return per day, his car is now on 120000km in 3 years. As I work from home, it makes a lot more sense for me to use this car for food delivery compares to someone who has to travel to and from work. If I am him and doing 120000km in 3 years, there is no way I would put another 24000km (food delivery only) on mine.

        • freefall101 on 17/09/2022 - 19:10
          +13

          30,000km travelled, lets say average speed of 30km/h (including time to pick up/drop off deliveries, traffic, waiting for orders to pop up), it works out at about 1,000 hours work.

          Now let's say the golf has efficiency of about 7L/100km doing that kind of stop/start driving all the time, 2,100 litres of fuel used. Let's be kind and say $1.80 a litre for 98 fuel. $3,780 in fuel costs. So we're about $20k after fuel costs in the pocket.

          1,000 hours, $20 an hour. Over 5 months that's 200 hours a month, any employee doing that many hours would be getting overtime pay. In comparison, the entry salary you can earn as a casual fast food worker in Australia is $29.23 + super (and that's level one, no weekend/late shit/holiday loading, ignoring allowances like meal allowances, $1.25 laundry allowance per shift, although aged 21 or older). "Profitable" isn't the right word, it's profitable, but they could have made more money by just getting a job. Even if they averaged 50km/h (in a city, with stop starts, that's very unlikely) we're talking $33 an hour.

          This is ignoring that 30,000km should add a service or two to the car and knocked probably a couple of grand off the price now OP is selling it. Depending on how OP drives, that's not getting too far off a new set of tyres either. Even if you're a fast food driver who's actually employed you get $0.48c per km plus the salary of $29.23 + super. 30,000km should have $14,400 just in allowances.

          • brendanm on 17/09/2022 - 20:05

            @freefall101: Great summary.

          • Aerith-Waifu on 18/09/2022 - 00:58

            @freefall101: You are almost on the dot there, my total costs including insurance and petrol at the moment since I started is around $4200.

            Usage on the car is 81% using a 3 month logbook.

            My average is actually $35 to $37 an hour as I avoid peak hour traffic, I jump between 4 different delivery apps, and only work if there is a surge or quest, like last night I had a quest from ubereats, which is doing 12 delivery between 5pm to 9pm, for every 3 delivery I get an extra $20, $24, $28, $32 on top of the normal delivery, on top of this quest there is another quest which if I complete 15 delivery from Friday to Sunday, I get an extra $80. I end up doing 15 trip during these 4 hours and got paid in total of $285 + $31 tips. Which works out to be around $75 an hour. If no quest available then I would most likely to get only around $90 + $31 tips.

            Same with doordash, everyday in my area there is an additional pay per delivery, at night time its normally around $5 - $6 per delivery extra + whatever they pay you. On a good night I can make around $150 in 3.5 hours there also.

            Basically if there is no surge or quest, I dont do it at all. Interestingly because I jump between apps all the time, I always get quests, all the time from different apps. Which is why its good pay, at least in my mind.

        • brendanm on 17/09/2022 - 20:02
          +6

          People on here jump through 247 hoops, taking 4.6 hours, to save 23 cents.

  • SBOB on 17/09/2022 - 17:39
    +6

    Made $24000 in driving for uber/doordash/menulog/panda in the last 5 months, putting on 30000km

    ~80c/km
    Barely above the ATO vehicle allowance rate of 78c/km

    You didn't make $24k though.
    You wrote off/paid for a vehicle doing food deliveries. You work out of that's a worthwhile time/benefit ratio :)

    • coffeeinmyveins on 18/09/2022 - 18:52

      You didn't make $24k though.

      Yeah he's in for a nice tax bill and people conveniently forget the hidden costs like wear and tear etc

  • Hvrd on 17/09/2022 - 17:43

    Get an electric scooter/bike like londoneats on youtube

  • kerfuffle on 17/09/2022 - 17:45

    If you're thinking of brand new, good luck getting a Hybrid Corolla before the end of the year. 12 month wait.

    I had one as a rental; full tank is about 900km.

    Also I hope you adjusted your insurance (if you even have insurance) to allow coverage for food delivery …

    • randomusername2017 on 17/09/2022 - 18:00

      Hybrid Corolla before the end of the year. 12 month wait.

      Happily wait that long for 31k new.

      • kerfuffle on 17/09/2022 - 18:07
        +2

        But it's not $31K new any more. New ones are being made this month with better tech and safety stuff (and updates announced goodness knows when) and there's going to be a price increase of about $3000-$3500 depending on the grade.

        And it could be longer than 12 months too. I was told six for my petrol one when I ordered it at Easter. It's definitely not six; I'd add another four months to my order (especially since I plan to change to Hybrid)

        • ol mate on 18/09/2022 - 07:40

          Another general price increase (on top of the tech change) from 1/1/23 of $500 too, and it isn't price protected for existing orders made after 23/5/22 (and not delivered by 1/1/23).

          • kerfuffle on 18/09/2022 - 08:46

            @ol mate: What? Where did you hear the general price increase from?

            I ordered my petrol ZR sedan at Easter. Even if I wasn’t going to swap, very unlikely it’ll be delivered by New Year’s Day

            • ol mate on 18/09/2022 - 08:50
              +1

              @kerfuffle: You should be price protected - you ordered before 23/5/22.

              Toyota sent out a bulletin to dealers last friday (9th) and a dealer posted it onto a Facebook group.

              • kerfuffle on 18/09/2022 - 08:52

                @ol mate: Even if I swap from a petrol ZR sedan to a hybrid ZR sedan?

                You wouldn't happen to know if the hybrid ZR sedan comes with a sunroof, do you? Or when Toyota are going to announce the bloody updates considering two weeks' worth of new updated ones have been made?

                • spackbace on 18/09/2022 - 08:58
                  +3

                  @kerfuffle: If you swap it'll be a fresh order and you'll cop the January price increase

                  Yep ZR hybrid sedan has a sunroof

                  Not sure why you haven't swapped your order already? We already have the new model codes to order them, just not accurate pricing

                  • kerfuffle on 18/09/2022 - 08:59

                    @spackbace: You do? Great! I guess I’m contacting my dealer later this week then!

    • Aerith-Waifu on 18/09/2022 - 01:00

      12 months wait???? Really?????? Yes have full insurance for food delivery, I have copy of 2 online chat confirmation from 2 different agent.

  • apsilon on 17/09/2022 - 18:12

    I probably average about 8l/100 in my Picanto GT BUT I don't do much driving (car is 1 year old in about 3 weeks and I'll be around 3500km at that time) so when I do drive, I have a tendency to have a heavy right foot and enjoy it up to the speed limit. You could do much better if you wanted to (you could do worse also) but it is a small tank so you'll be filling frequently anyway.

  • leelemon on 17/09/2022 - 18:52
    +1

    My mum has a 2019 corolla, but not a hybrid. She's a good driver (doesn't accelerate to get to the red light or gun it lol) and she gets around 5-6 L/100km.

    I know when she was looking before, a lot of her friends (mechanics) mentioned something about hybrid cars having batteries that need to be replaced every couple/few years. Maybe things have changed, or gotten better - but it might be something you want to look into, because apparently they can be quite expensive.

    • hugamuga on 19/09/2022 - 13:11
      +2

      Yeah that's not accurate, batteries in hybrids very rarely need replacing, I have 11 years and 320000km on mine and I expect the battery will outlast the car.

      • leelemon on 19/09/2022 - 20:03

        Good to know ~ cheers

  • TEER3X on 17/09/2022 - 19:21
    +3

    Unless you love that job, consider getting a full time job, plenty out there at $30/hr

    The 30,000 you put on that car are hard KMs, much much worse for the car.

    I don't understand why people drive for these companies. Maybe the weekends including bonuses works out to somewhat decent pay, but I think most drivers aren't factoring in that their car will die sooner/have major repairs required earlier.

    • Matt P on 17/09/2022 - 23:28
      +1

      A vast majority of the drivers aren't driving late-ish model VW Golfs. The guys sitting at my local shopping center carpark waiting for jobs are usually driving 20-ish year old 4 cylinder cars that probably aren't roadworthy.

    • Aerith-Waifu on 18/09/2022 - 00:48

      I actually work from home doing 5am to 1:30pm finishing. The VW just sits home doing absolutely nothing at the moment hence the driving for food delivery, which is fine as all I do is listening to podcast when doing so. I also work 8 hours per week however since they wont let me take holiday I have now finished with that job.

  • Euphemistic on 17/09/2022 - 19:35

    Go back and do some real sums. $24k in 5months isn’t great money plus you’ve smashed your resale value on the car.

    Don’t get a new car. But something used of you must continue to be exploited by these companies.

    • Mokr on 17/09/2022 - 20:31
      +3

      Put a camera in and do videos.

      Also moon light as a fixer.

  • Keplaffintech on 17/09/2022 - 20:25
    -1

    Rather than throwing all your earnings away on a new car, just put E10 in your Golf. It's 94 octane so it will run fine on it.

    Before you downvote do a bit of research on it, ethanol is perfectly fine in any car built this century.

    • Matt P on 17/09/2022 - 23:30
      +1

      Terrible advice. Do this in a 118TSI Mk6 Golf and you WILL be up for an engine before too long. Heck, put 98 in it and you've got half a chance too.

      • Keplaffintech on 18/09/2022 - 10:52

        Got any specifics to justify that? What exactly will ethanol do to accelerate failure of the engine?

        As I said in my comment, before you downvote, do some research. Most people think 'E10 bad' but have no idea why, if you look into it you'll realise it will make no difference to the life of a modern car.

  • JimmyF on 17/09/2022 - 21:04

    Made $24000 in driving

    Grossed I think you mean…. What had been your costs?

  • Hardlyworkin on 18/09/2022 - 00:16
    +2

    Invest the extra 20k in yourself and look at doing something more interesting/rewarding for work. Unless you're already a student as per why you're doing this work.

  • Aerith-Waifu on 18/09/2022 - 01:18

    See above. Already working full time from home.

    • spackbace on 18/09/2022 - 01:28
      +2

      Telephone customer service though yeah?

      Commenter above still has a point. Telephone customer service plus food delivery aren't 'career' choices. You could do far better in the current economy

      • Aerith-Waifu on 18/09/2022 - 01:44
        -1

        Oh please do share? I am paid $76k a year at the moment so I dont know how I can be paid better?

        • spackbace on 18/09/2022 - 20:36
          +2

          Oh hi brick wall, how you going?

  • iTzTeFish on 18/09/2022 - 08:20

    I went to order a corolla last week and they have to provision an extra $3300 on the price due to the September updates. They didn't know what the final price would be

  • Mattttttty on 18/09/2022 - 22:46

    6 months ago my aging Holden Astra started being not reliable and I needed a new car in a hurry, I did the rounds for car yards, I ended up getting a Kia Cerato as the wait time was only 2 weeks, Toyota said a Corolla was going to take 6-12 months…

    • Aerith-Waifu on 19/09/2022 - 23:02
      -1

      Any discount given on the Kia Cerato?

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