R U OK OzBargainers? (2023)

R U OK?

R U OK? Day is an annual day in September (today, 14/9) dedicated to remind people to ask family, friends and colleagues the question, "R U OK?", in a meaningful way, because connecting regularly and meaningfully is one thing everyone can do to make a difference and even save lives.

We do this every year and are now focussing our donations to mental health charities. The last few years have been a struggle for many of us. I'm sure I am not alone in having numerous conversations over the past few months checking on the well-being of others (and on myself) in a meaningful way.


Hot Tip: Medicare provides free (or subsidised) sessions with a psychologist after a referral from a GP. It's free/cheap so you have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Most mental health issues are very much treatable with professional help. Trouble is that most of us are too scared, embarrassed, or lack self awareness to seek professional help. If you have a broken foot, most people will have no hesitation in seeking a doctor because we know it can be fixed but for mental health issues (which can be just as well treated) we quietly carry on even though the pain and harm may be 1000 times worse. (credit: Bluberry)


The comments and PMs we received last year are part of why we are proud to support R U OK? Day by changing our colours and promoting their cause.

One of the biggest challenges to OzBargain and other online social media sites (e.g. Instagram, Twitter) is promoting an environment where everyone feels comfortable commenting and discussing issues (or deals). We should all recognise that our comments have consequences both positive and negative. People don't participate on a discussion site to be attacked or bullied. While some people may say 'suck it up' and that people should not be so sensitive, we should be aware that we don't truly know the people behind these accounts. Some are young, some may come to here to escape a tough reality, be mentally unbalanced, or they possibly could have thick skin. We just don't know.

On the flip side, a simple gesture such as thanking someone or sending a friendly PM can go a long way. We made a post about contributing to a more positive OzBargain environment and we've had some great results changing some users behaviour by thinking about the impacts of their words.


Over the years of running this initiative on OzBargain (and offline) we've also received some comments making jokes about RUOK? Day. That's fine and jokes are a great way to break the ice. While those people may be OK, many times they are not both in real life and on OzBargain. Keep asking, be meaningful in the way you have your conversation and don't ask just today but any day.

We have forums where you can discuss relationships or anything else off-topic. Also, if you see any comments where you think the person may be struggling, please report to us and we'll get in touch.

You can also feel free to chat with us in the private Talk with a Moderator forum if you have any OzBargain related issues. Or send me a PM about whatever you want (except moderation issues). Please see our Mental Health Page if you need to speak to someone including live chat.

For confidential advice and support call a crisis support line – such as Lifeline on 13 11 14 or Suicide Call Back Service on 1300 659 467.

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ASK R U OK?
  • Be relaxed, friendly and concerned in your approach.
  • Help them open up by asking questions like "How are you going?" or "What’s been happening?"
  • Mention specific things that have made you concerned for them, like "You seem less chatty than usual. How are you going?"

IF

  • If they don’t want to talk, don’t criticise them.
  • Tell them you’re still concerned about changes in their behaviour and you care about them.
  • Avoid a confrontation.
  • You could say: “Please call me if you ever want to chat” or “Is there someone else you’d rather talk to?”
LISTEN WITH AN OPEN MIND
  • Take what they say seriously and don't interrupt or rush the conversation.
  • Don’t judge their experiences or reactions but acknowledge that things seem tough for them.
  • If they need time to think, sit patiently with the silence.
  • Encourage them to explain: "How are you feeling about that?" or "How long have you felt that way?"
  • Show that you've listened by repeating back what you’ve heard (in your own words) and ask if you have understood them properly.
ENCOURAGE ACTION
  • Ask: “What have you done in the past to manage similar situations?”
  • Ask: “How would you like me to support you?"
  • Ask: “What’s something you can do for yourself right now? Something that’s enjoyable or relaxing?”
  • You could say: "When I was going through a difficult time, I tried this… You might find it useful too."
  • If they've been feeling really down for more than 2 weeks, encourage them to see a health professional. You could say, "It might be useful to link in with someone who can support you. I'm happy to assist you to find the right person to talk to.”
  • Be positive about the role of professionals in getting through tough times.
IF THEY NEED EXPERT HELP
  • Some conversations are too big for family and friends to take on alone. If someone’s been really low for more than 2 weeks - or is at risk - please contact a professional as soon as you can.
CHECK IN
  • Pop a reminder in your diary to call them in a couple of weeks. If they're really struggling, follow up with them sooner.
  • You could say: "I've been thinking of you and wanted to know how you've been going since we last chatted."
  • Ask if they've found a better way to manage the situation. If they haven't done anything, don't judge them. They might just need someone to listen to them for the moment.
  • Stay in touch and be there for them. Genuine care and concern can make a real difference.

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Comments

  • +18

    This is a heartwarming initiative, thanks all. How is everybody else coping - R U OK?

      • +3

        It's not bright, it's a dark yellow.

        • Could be one or more of:

          • RAL 1017 "Saffron Yellow"
          • Windows "Gold"
          • OSX "Lemon"
          • X11 "Gold"
          • HTML "Gold"
          • xkcd "Macaroni and Cheese"
          • Wikipedia "Sunglow"
          • ISCC-NBS "Brilliant Orange Yellow"

          Source: https://colornamer.robertcooper.me/

      • Are you OK in 2023?

    • +3

      I'm doing well kinda worried about job market, feel like I need to learn a whole bunch of new stuff lmao…r you ok?

    • +3

      I'm a little gassy today. Too much junk food. Thanks for asking 👍

    • Nope

      • Alright. What seems to be troubling you?

        • Sorry, Not going to share that on an open forum.

          • @Iluvfreebies: More than welcome to dm me if you want to chat about it. Not going to promise anything other than be a listener.

    • +2

      You came in, asked everybody if they R UK, a few people answered they weren't but by then you had not even checked back… What was the point of asking? Might as well yell it out the window to people on the street as you drive right on past.

      Just proves the R U OK campaign is really a new way for a bunch of corporates "RUOK? Limited " to make careers off of getting normal people to advertise their new 'day' by repeating their marketing slogan.

      The brilliant marketing move is that people are repeating their slogan so often (insincerely), that the organisation will use this they will then use this to target individuals/government for donationsS$$$. I guess the people from "RUOK? Limited" R very VERY VERY OK, but not everyone else.

      You can take a look at the trademark register exactly how they are making their $$$…

      • +4

        BS tokenism day to make corporations feel like they’re socially responsible for a day, whilst neglecting the wellbeing of most employees for the other 364 days of the year.

      • +5

        RUOK day has always been and always will be about tokenism.

        Employer: Are you ok?
        Employee: No. I have mortgage stress and you didn't give me a payrise. I can't afford groceries.
        Employer: So anyway here's some cupcakes for today.

        It doesn't solve anything. and a random chat to a person online won't either.

        I actually think RUOK does more harm than good. It belittles the amount of effort required to solve these complex problems by thinking it can be done with a single question from someone you've never met.

        It's like the usual office crap of "how's it going" and you just say "good" even though you are far from good.

  • +5

    Can't believe it's been 1 year already.

  • +15

    Are you ok JV ?

  • +3

    RU ok?

    Don't forget many companies offer employee assistance programs (eap) and have mental first aiders that you can reach out too.

    • -3

      Mental first aid? That only works if you have a padded room available, and can wait it out until the professionals arrive with bazookas loaded with silly string

      • Wait, professionals with silly string? How do I sign up?

        • professionals with silly string

          Shut up and take my money.

  • Black dog

  • +13

    As much as i dislike Rektrading comments, i wonder what happened to them and hope they are okay

    • @rektrading is u alive

    • +1

      Ozbargain: R U OK?

      Also Ozbargain: bullies rektrading into going offline

      Lol

    • who?

  • +1

    "Most mental health issues are very much treatable with professional help." I would strongly disagree with this statement. It is much harder to fix a "broken brain" than a broken foot. Broken bones are clearly visible on XRays, but there still isn't an objective test to diagnose psychiatric ailments. Meta studies of antidepressants find them to be only slightly better than placebo. SSRI's don't make you happy, they don't cure anxiety, they won't solve all of your problems. Antipsychotics are frequently prescribed for non-schizophrenic conditions but they have an aweful array of side effects including tuning you into a zombie. Psychology works on the assumption that our misery is caused by irrational ways of thinking, but the truth is depression and anxiety are often perfectly reasonably responses to a disappointing and worry inducing world. Being poor in a world where everything in inflating at a much higher rate than one's income, is extremely depressing and anxiogenic. Psychotherapy and pharmaceutical therapies don't change negative environmental circumstances.

    • +20

      I don't think psychologists expect to fix problems. They shine different lights to problems, support someone to process things, and lead to actions that lead to changes.

      Because at the worst hours when people feel unsupported and the world is against them, (and often times they are), they need that kind of support.

      Sometimes the best thing that could be done is holding the space for the person in their worst time, so that they remain supported in their darkest hours.

      This is coming from a guy who was in ER 6 months ago because of safety concerns. The doctor couldn't fix my problems (outside of prescribing me with copious amount of valium and monitoring me), but that got me over that night. I am not OK, but I hope to get there.

      • +5

        Agreed. To be a little less alone in the darkest times, is of immense benefit to most. Recognising your struggle is half the healing. But I see life as constantly trying to undo the damage that the world around you causes. The struggle is ongoing for me and I believe many would feel that way. I don't really think of it as I am not ok but want to be. It just is and I support my health through this tricky world, in any way I can. Enjoy your day.

        • +4

          Hope you have a lovely day too.

    • +2

      Treatable. Yes. Curable. No. But I understand your point re societal/environmental contributors to mental health issues.

    • "Most mental health issues are very much treatable with professional help." means that it's possible, not that it's easy.

    • +1

      Every case is different. It can often be managed, but like physical fitness it needs constant attention to be managed well. My wife has struggled for many years but on the whole deals with it very well. Combination of meds and Dr visits (not that frequent these days). She also is very diligent in making sure she exercises regularly and eats well.

      • Every case is different

        Bloody oath. There is not a silver bullet that cures mental health issues. Its often a combination of things that can help.

        It can be as simple as talking to people. Going to the gym with them. Doing group activities. Like sports, fishing or camping.

        Meds and doctors visits too.

        I find if the going gets a little tough. Say from work. I take holiday. Visit family and friends overseas.

        TL;DR R U OK OZB?

  • +21

    90% of people use RUOK day to take the piss out of each other.

    • +8

      I can't help but laugh at this. It's true. As a guy, I think it's a way of sugar coating the question. Especially when asking a mate.

      But you know that they know that you know, there is good intention in the question. I still find it somewhat awkward to talk about it.

      Taking the piss is a segway. You take the piss and end with a "mate, seriously though, if you ever need anything, let me know"

      • +3

        It's the Aussie cultural way! I think that's a basis of good friendship in Australia, when you 'take the piss' and rip on each other in a playful way! I remember in university a group of mates doing this - didn't occur that the international students weren't aware of the light hearted friendly nature; two years in they told me that they thought I hated them and was a bully (which was totally the opposite) - I felt like a total jerk and apologized profusely, explaining myself in the process!

        We're still mates, and he is in on the rips now (lol), though I have to admit sometimes he throws me as sarcasm not naturally assist if his culture and his accent delivers the rips in a wired way!

        • Australian humour is far different from overseas. It can come across as being a total jerk or a bully.

          But taking the piss or the mickey or pranking someone is very Australian.

    • 100% agree, just like the ice bucket challenge

    • +5

      Nobody can take the piss out of you without your consent… or a catheter

    • +1

      Well, if we accept that conclusion, then 10% of people having a meaningful conversation to check up on each other is better than 0%. Every little bit helps IMO.

      • Indeed, every little bit helps. However, your conclusion from that statement makes the assumption is that 100% of people either take the piss out of each other OR have meaningful conversations to check up on each other — this doesn't account for people who do both or ignore it completely.

  • +7

    It's not just today, either. The intent of the question/information (especially this year's initiative) is to prepare people to be aware and conformable with asking the question 'RUOK' - on any day. It's not and checking in on The event, but pricing information, guidance and references that can be used by anyone is the notice something as being off or changed in people the engage with.

    It's changed my perception of the event; ironically I'm arranging the associated function at my workplace today, but would much rather be in bed. I'm not doing that ok but have a few supports close to me which are providing some reference and support. Warm coffee and remembering to breathe will get me through the day!

    • +5

      Sorry you're not feeling great, thanks for sharing and I hope you have a meaningful day. The best people to champion r u ok day and initiatives like this, imo are the ones like you. That recognise and are open about expressing their own struggles, not just others. Ozb post here has already outdone my own workplace!

    • +1

      Bah! I didn't read the post - sorry about the illegible and misplaced words! Autocorrect FTW! 🙄

      • +2

        Understandable. You haven't had your coffee yet :D

  • Ozb a great post with lots if useful tools. Honestly puts my own workplace to shame. I'd like to say that I see ruokday as championing not just mental health as a mental health illness but mental health as in a constant support of your general mental health and ensuring you maintain strong nonphysical health. Workplaces hta big part in that for most individuals and I think we should be pushing workplaces to contribute more to supporting the ongoing maintenance of everyone's mental health. Eg management training around flexibility, workers rights. Ongoing supports like Quiet rooms, group convos on topics, internal comms to maintain supports. Yoga or something similar. Just contracting out to EAP is a copout to me.

  • +7

    No. But who cares

    • +2

      Its sometimes ok to not be ok.

    • -1

      Don't worry the mods care, open a TWAM thread, they definitely won't ignore you and close the thread.

      I've been downvoted for this comment, I guess the mods don't care :(

  • +32

    R U OK OzBargainers?

    For someone who has stage 3a cancer I'm doing surprisingly well. Especially when I'm days away from surgery that has a good chance of messing everything up. And even then post OP the 5 year survival rate is low. A lot to take in when you're under 30.

    But hey enjoy a happy short life. Not a shitty long life.

    • +12

      Mate. Not one to usually post this. But I hope all goes and we see new posts from year in the years to come 🙏

    • +6

      Heres hoping all goes well.

    • +4

      You are in my prayers mate. Hope you make it through, you've got this! 💪

    • +4

      Dude, thank you for opening up. Im sure even to say this out publicly would have had lots of internal conflict.
      I just hope and wish for a successful recovery that defies those statistics.
      Keep your chin up and fight through.
      Take care champ

      • +6

        I think it's important for people to know if I was to… go offline. Despite all the cancer awareness being raised all the time there's so many things you don't realise until you actually have it.

        The hardest part is that in the real world people don't take it seriously since I look perfectly fine on the outside. I guess I'm unlucky, but lucky that chemo is not an option. It simply doesn't work against these kind of cancer cells so I'm saved from the horrible side effects of chemo and at the same time unlucky that an effective treatment option is unavailable.

        • +3

          I hope your surgery doesn't mess thins up for you. Cancer sucks. But you know that. I understand your point about chemo too. It strips so much from you. Be well, take pleasure wherever you can and have meaningful time with people who you care about and who care about you. Ever want to chat to someone anonymously, this wierdo is here :)

        • Wow. Been a year. R u ok @Clear

          • @xoom: Defied the odds and beat cancer… for now at least. It's incredible how well the body adapts when it's lost so much. Besides not being able to eat certain food I'm back to normal.

            • @Clear: Keep fighting. Its all you can really do.

              My auntie defied the odds too. But the fight is not over for her either.

    • +2

      Sending you love. Heal up for us.

    • +1

      Can relate. Something very rare. Similar treatment too by the sounds. Needing it soon again too. Diagnosed around 35. 40 next month.

      Not a fan of the day though, would find it offensive when people ignore every other day.

    • +1

      Similar story here, brain cancer, diagnosed at 19. I had surgery to remove one tumour, but there's just too many of them. I find out tomorrow if I will start chemo. It's been 9 years since my diagnosis and it never gets easier. I hope your surgery goes well!

      • +2

        Keep fighting buddy. I know it would be tough but hang in there.

  • Is there any free coffee giveaways today? I remember last year there was

    • +2

      I thought donuts and beer was more your thing

      • I take what ever is free….

  • +1

    I really appreciate the team here at OzB, and the fact they're happy to get behind initiatives like this. It's so important. Well done

  • +6

    We have our corporate tokenism morning tea this morning - so I'm looking forward to my free food…

    • +1

      We use to get cupcakes for this event but working from home. Negatory on the cupcakes this time around.

      • +1

        But did you do a teams virtual morning tea? Coz it's almost the same… just more painful and without pros. Bhaha! Workplaces are secretly scheming to keep us all dopey with sugar and carbs.

        • They are fueling you up to make you work harder.

  • +5

    I think there are often signs of mental health issues on open display on internet forums such as this or social media platforms. Its easy to forget this and type triggered responses.

    Unfortunately it often takes days like this for us to think a bit more deeply on the subject.

  • +5

    This is a good reminder for everyone. Personally I've been going out of my way to talk to those that look like they could do with a friend or just someone to sit and listen. For the friends that I do have that are struggling I give them support and urge them to see a counsellor or a psychologist so they can help them help themselves.

    For those that are OK I still encourage you to look within and make sure there aren't any unresolved issues may come back to haunt you.

  • +12

    The promotion of R U OK on ozbargain is hilarious considering the amount of bullying and personal attacks that take place in this website if you don't support the 'current thing' narrative on anything. It's like reddit for Australia.

    • +10

      We have reddit in Australia, this place is much more hostile

      • +2

        The problem with Reddit (and a growing number of sites) is
        you will NOT know whether you're talking to a bot or not,
        ie. if any of discussions/posts are actually between human beings.

        The narratives during cvd (and anything else now, eg. Ukraine conflict) are being shaped by bots too,
        and any opinions / questions that is different is quickly shut down and in a hostile away,…which could be a bot itself.

        This was brought up recently with Elon Musk's purchase of Twitter,
        and revealed that the "users" on Twitter, may not always be a human being.

        Unfortunately this is the dynamic online now, ie. unable to confirm if it's a human,
        because of the 'natural, human-sounding' ways a bot can communicate
        but OzB has taken the approach recently of verifying users, using 2FA, etc.

        Imagine asking "R U OK" online, to a bot ? haha

      • +1

        The deals section isn't so bad, it's mainly the forums where people feel the need to bully and harass others.

    • +4

      Yea this website is like a toxic gaming lobby

      • -1

        No it's not. Those have unfiltered racism, sexism etc with no consequences. OzB isn't on that level and you know it.

        • -1

          the fact that you downvoted my above comment proves my point

        • -2

          bs, go onto any game server/lobby and see how long you last

        • Late response. Sorry to say, you're wrong.
          "the cringe" sent me a DM from nowhere

          Subject: Hopefully someone in your family dies of covid
          Message: Wear your mask and shut the (profanity) up
          (without censorship).

          Reported to staff… and guess what happened? ZEERRROO.

          They were a member for 2+ months longer, before someone with a brain finally did something about it.

    • What 'current thing' narratives are you talking about?

      • Oh look. Here's the fact checker, handing out downvoots for unapproved opinions

      • +2

        Whatever is decided by the 'top echelons' of society,
        and which is then trickled down to the lower levels,
        through repetitive messaging, "fact checks", brigading posts, etc.

        Alternative, curious minds are shut down.

    • +4

      Yep, People go pretty ham with personal attacks on others asking for genuine advice often and nothing is done.

      • We always act on personal attacks when reported so please ensure you hit the report link if you spot any. Feel free to chat with us on Talk with a Moderator forum.

        Also Commenting Guidelines

        • +1

          Had no response to a highly offensive PM from someone who had their related comment deleted.

          Still. Waiting. 6 days.

          • @scuderiarmani: I see no TWAMs (last 26/8) nor reports (only report within 6 days is from 04/09/2022 - 00:25, comment actioned & removed).

            Feel free to make another TWAM.

            In regards to PMs, moderators don't have access to those messages. Our advice is always to just hit the block button.

            • +1

              @neil: The users post was deleted for a very offensive remark. If the poster sends the same thing privately surely Moderators can show some judgement as to the value of such posters.

              • @scuderiarmani:

                If the poster sends the same thing privately surely Moderators can show some judgement as to the value of such posters.

                By blocking the user in your PM, you are permanently banning that user from sending messages to you. Also moderators don't have access to PMs and I don't think we want to be moderating private conversations between users other than mass spamming.

                • +2

                  @neil: Well he's here flogging up the post. Again. Same insults.

                  Only need to look at the posts he up voted.

                  But sure, mocking autistic people, repeatedly. No worries.

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