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[NSW, QLD] Australian Honey 1kg $8.99 (Save $4) Pickup @ Harris Farm

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  • No love for SA!

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    This is a great price for Australian honey. Especially in NSW given the current mite infestation issue & attempted containment which is resulting in loss of hives.

  • +2

    Sweet!

  • -1

    Minimum order for delivery is $50, that is 6kg, pass.

    • +4

      but it wont spoil

      • but the container will

    • +1

      Actually would not mind buying six but $15 delivery fee kills it for me.

    • They do sell food other than just honey..

  • +1

    good read

    tl:dr low water amount in honey makes it impossible for bacterial growth, i still recommend reading the article though

  • +3

    Any idea if it is raw or processed honey?

  • +4

    What percentage of this is honey and how could anyone who doesn't work for the company know?

    • +1

      Edit: Thought I'd add a link of someone's review of labeling requirements, a pretty good article: https://oraravalleyhoney.com.au/honey-labelling/

      100% honey, you can tell by the big writing on the front of the label that says 100% pure Australian Honey. So you could get the honey tested to confirm its not been blended with other non-bee sugars but you might as well do that for any other product.

      I mean how do you know milk isn't just paint mixed in water?

      Realistically the intensive for people to lie and provide a fake product is risk vs reward: How much more money do I make by doing this, how long could I do it before I get caught and what happens when I get caught. A lot of the worry about honey not being pure was from the imports out of China. The probability of getting caught is pretty low even in Australia but if you do get caught your brand gets trashed, you get sued and probably up on fraud charges. Oh and you're still stuck with all the infrastructure+ hives. If you're overseas then you just sell to another market, or rebrand. Risk is lower overall.

      I don't know why you would cheat, especially now when NSW can't export any of their honey or bee products domestically, and I don't think they can compete internationally.

      • I mean how do you know milk isn't just paint mixed in water?

        Reminds me of why Australian baby powder is/was popular in China - supposedly their local supply was contaminated (with melamine?) - supposedly intentionally (bulk out the product to sell more for less proper input).

        • +1

          Nah that was ages ago, an unethical company which was quite major player in the market tried to maximize profits without regard of their customers, and now several of those responsible are in jail or executed.
          Meanwhile those in US are getting away scot free.
          https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/06/10/baby-form…

      • +2

        So you could get the honey tested to confirm

        honey guy: Do you want Manuka Honey , Alfalfa Honey , Eucalyptus Honey , Acacia Honey · , Buckwheat Honey, Clover Honey ·,Sage Honey ·, Lavender Honey., blended sugar , pure honey, nz honey, australian honey, local co-op honey…

        me: ' i just want honey that tastes like real honey '

        • +5

          depending on where you grew up and where you got your honey that taste is very different and individual so "real honey taste" is everyone of what the honey guy listed. For me real honey is yellow box honey, it is what I grew up with and what tastes the best to me.

        • honey guy: Do you want Manuka Honey , Alfalfa Honey , Eucalyptus Honey , Acacia Honey · , Buckwheat Honey, Clover Honey ·,Sage Honey ·, Lavender Honey., blended sugar , pure honey, nz honey, australian honey, local co-op honey…

          me: ' i just want honey that tastes like real honey '

          To add to that, unprocessed raw honey from hives taste slightly different to one another, because different flowers' nectar will have different tastes
          Glenugie Peak @ Harris Farm
          Personally I like Wildflower from Glenugie Peaks, though I do appreciate each and every batch of honey will be slightly different because of seasonal conditions.

          Not all unprocessed honey will crystallize (as easily) as it depends on the glucose/fructose content.

          There are also other "infused"/flavoured honey where the manufacturer themselves will put chillies, vanilla bean, lavender into the honey to force it to taste like something else

          If you do a taste test side by side, Capilano vs anything from a farmers market (Manuka Honey is just well marketed by NZ, GREAT honey is everywhere, Malfroys Gold is exceptionally intense and well known from Blue Mountains), you'll be able to recognise the bland only-sugar-syrup taste from Capilano/Supermarket honey vs other very fragrant honeys.

          In saying that, I've never tried Harris Farm Honey, so can't vote for or against it.

          • +1

            @cwongtech: this was really just a play on the 'i just want milk that tastes like real milk ' meme…i didnt realise the Honey game was actually so deep.. sorry guys

            • +1

              @Jimothy Wongingtons:

              i didnt realise the Honey game was actually so deep.. sorry guys

              I hope one day you can develop an appreciation of the variety of honey available to us and bee's importance to our ecosystem :)

              • @cwongtech: i actually did take a look at setting up our own little backyard hive as we have quite a few locals in our area doing it (they do it off -site but sell the honey from their house). There is one who is able to almost exactly narrow down the rough area of where the bees collect the pollen which i thought was pretty damn cool!

                • +1

                  @Jimothy Wongingtons: Nice!

                  I guess that would be the theoretical flight distance for a honey bee can go away from their hive, very interesting!

              • @cwongtech: According to the recent video I watched, when people say that 'bee's are important to the ecosystem', that 'bee's are dying and need to be saved', it's not honey bee's.

                Turns out 'Bee' is a classification, and there are thousands of types of bee's. The one's that are most valuable to the ecosystem and that are dying out are the one's that are each specialized towards certain plants. While honey bee's can fertilize the same types of flowers in a general way, these specialized bee's can do it 1000x better. The fact these particular bee's are dying out is going to cause major problems. In fact, it's often competition from honey bee's that causes them to die out.

                But Honey bee's? They are doing just fine.

                Just something interesting I learned and thought worth spreading

                • @outlander:

                  According to the recent video I watched, when people say that 'bee's are important to the ecosystem', that 'bee's are dying and need to be saved', it's not honey bee's.

                  I didn't say anything about that but okay.

                  I hope one day you can develop an appreciation of the variety of honey available to us and bee's importance to our ecosystem :)
                  - Cwongtech

                  Do you have a source for the below? Interested in the "1000x better" bit.
                  For Australia it appears to be European honeybee vs Australian Native Bees.

                  I know Malfroy's Gold uses exclusively wild bee swarms for their apiaries
                  Their honey is famous for a reason (featured on Masterchef and fine dining restaurants), highly intense in flavour, best enjoyed as part of a dessert

                  While honey bee's can fertilize the same types of flowers in a general way, these specialized bee's can do it 1000x better.

                  The evidence for and against competition between the European honeybee and Australian native bees - CSIRO

                  Our review shows that it is premature to conclude that honeybees have either a benign influence or a net detrimental impact on Australian native bee abundance,species richness, or reproductive output. Because the effect of invasive species is likely to be strongly contextdependent and will vary upon the environmental and biotic
                  conditions in space and time (Pyšek et al. 2012), further robust experimental studies on the impact of honeybees on native plant–pollinator networks in Australia are essential. Indeed, significant negative impacts appear to be more likely to be revealed through controlled manipulative studies. A major conclusion from our review was that part of the variation in results stems from variation in species ecology and therefore, more detailed investigations into how particular native bee species or guilds are impacted is needed rather than coarse approaches which may obscure the impacts of this introduced bee on vulnerable species. Future studies should focus on the areas we identified above with the aim of managing honeybees in such a way that does not jeopardise the conservation of native bees.

  • Nice Exhibition Case Back on these.

    What's the calibers in these?

  • -2

    costco 3kg pack honey is cheaper unit price tho

    • +1

      which pack is that?

  • Thanks for the article link OP.
    Informative and well written.

  • [ABC.net.au] 'Fake' honey allegations subject of 'high priority' ACCC investigation (05 SEP 2018)
    - https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-05/accc-launches-investi…

    [ACCC.gov.au] Honey investigation concludes due to testing uncertainty (17 NOV 2018)
    https://www.accc.gov.au/media-release/honey-investigation-co…

  • The ACCC is advised NMR testing is not yet reliable enough to determine whether honey is adulterated and therefore should not be used as a basis to support legal action. This is consistent with the approach of regulators in the UK, US and the EU.

    Sad to think we would never know because it can't be tested effectively.

    • -1

      If a product can be counterfeited so well it's indistinguishable from the real thing.. is that really that bad?

      • Nutrition.

      • +2

        The claims were that, IIRC, the honey was being mixed with a syrup derivative that not only diluted the honey content, but had a similar effect as fructose on the body.
        Because of this tactic, they were able to sell cheaper and force the little businesses out of the market.

        Is that bad ?
        Depends on your personal perspective and moral flexibility, but generally people don't like being ripped off.

  • +1

    I went and got the honey from my local Harris Farm. I can also recommend the "imperfect" pink lady apples @ $2.29/kg. They taste amazing.

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