Labor Calls for Coal-Fired Power Stations to Come Back Online

Trying2SaveABuck on 07/06/2022 - 21:33
Last edited 07/06/2022 - 22:03 by 1 other user

An energy crisis gripping Australia’s east coast could trigger an emergency response to ease soaring demand and prices.

Coal-fired power plants have been begged to come back online as Australia’s east coast grapples with an energy crisis.

An urgent meeting of Commonwealth, state and territory energy ministers will be held on Wednesday to discuss solutions as the Albanese government weighs up measures to take pressure off prices.

A perfect storm of increased demand for Australian gas, unplanned outages at coal-fired power stations and a severe cold snap have stretched the electricity market.

Efforts to inject supply into the system by Resources Minister Madeleine King have been unfruitful as existing pipelines are operating at near capacity

Ms King said the short-term solution would be for coal-fired power plants to come online.

“What we really need to do is to have the coal power stations come back online, because that is the missing piece in the puzzle right now,” Ms King told ABC Radio.

“There‘s been unplanned outages for many reasons; many beyond the control of those operators and I do accept that, but I hope they are doing their level best to make sure this power source comes online as well.”

But she brushed off suggestions the government should intervene and support the maintenance of coal-fired power stations.

“To be honest, it is the coal companies themselves and the operators of the power stations that need to get these power stations back online,” she said.

I wonder how all the climate change warriors are feeling about this……………….So much for a 'greener future' under the ALP.

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Comments

brendanm on 07/06/2022 - 21:38

+20

Why am I getting bugger all for my solar feed in during an "energy crisis"?
- Trying2SaveABuck on 07/06/2022 - 22:01
  
  +9
  
  because the system always screws over the little guy
  - subywagon on 08/06/2022 - 09:51
    
    +1
    
    A shame the Coalition was too busy stuffing their pockets and rorting to attempt to rectify this during the decade + they were in power and instead destroying our energy security.
- knasty on 07/06/2022 - 22:56
  
  +3
  
  I was recently invited to participate in a program where for up to 5 days a year the distributor (endeavour Energy, Sydney) will prevent my inverter from exporting electricity to the grid when the grid is overloaded with power. They will pay me $200 for this…a no brainer given I only get 5c/kWhr anyway. One minute were short, next minute we're overloaded.
plmko on 07/06/2022 - 21:48

-7

No one cares mate
Synticulous on 07/06/2022 - 21:58

+2

We're about to see any and all green initiatives on energy melt away under recession scrutiny.

I hope it allows enough families to continue putting food on the table.
- Trying2SaveABuck on 07/06/2022 - 22:01
  
  +3
  
  i dont really have a problem with them firing up the old coal but a truck load of people voted them in on the promise they were going to be 'greener' this is the exact opposite of that….
  - Synticulous on 07/06/2022 - 22:09
    
    +5
    
    I mean, I voted greens knowing they'd never win the seat (wanted it to affect polling on greener stance), and that my vote would second preference labor anyway. Polls reflected a lot of votes doing this.
    
    It kind of does sting until you remember Labor also promised childcare, housing, medicine affordability, as well as aged care, 'made in australia' and a federal integrity commission. If coal coming back online, heck even begging China for economic handouts via bending the knee halfway would be OK in my books if they accomplish everything they promised.
    
    Middle aged, low-ish income, Sydney mortgage saddled. YMMV.
  - zoombie on 07/06/2022 - 22:57
    
    +12
    
    @Trying2saveabuck Honestly, did you expect them to conjure up fields of solar or wind power within 2 weeks of getting elected?? Or this is your typical unthought bias attacked towards Labor? People elected them to do something about climate change in the long term. This means setting ambitious target and move the country away from fossil in the long term. Any adult could understand that it takes yrs to move the country from one source of energy to another.
    - Trying2SaveABuck on 08/06/2022 - 06:29
      
      this is your typical unthought bias attacked towards Labor? People elected them to do something about climate change in the long term
      
      absolutely rubbish i no way am i attacking anyone, and in no way do i expect them to conjure up solar farms - i think you take politics too personally and your way to sensitive.
      
      as for bias perhaps you should check your own mate, this the exact opposite of what they were saying pre-election that isnt bias that is a fact. They had ago the lnp for supporting coal without looking at the facts - renewables are not ready to take on the Australian power demands. You cant TURN AROUND NOW AND SAY OH WELL LETS BURN SOME MORE COAL….
      
      Oz-bargain is full of ALP voters im just happy to debate with the simpleton's on here who have no idea what they are talking about like the bloke who thinks Scomo had the power to force the RBA to dropping interest rates 'to boost' house price LMAO
      
      you're a hypocrit mate and so far this government has been in 2 weeks and broken its flag ship promise less FF and greener energy
      
      im not anti ALP and im not saying i didnt vote for them but this is pretty p-poor 2 weeks in
      
      Labor also promised childcare, housing, medicine affordability, as well as aged care, 'made in australia' and a federal integrity commission
      
      i hope they deliver esp on the ICAC, still waiting for Albo to call out Dan Andrews in his IBAC investigations though….. I dont believe you can bring manufacturing back to Australia not if you are rising wages anyone dumb enough to believe that simply cannot be helped….why do you think we wont have manufacturing here in the 1st place….
      
      i support 'free' childcare, medicine affordability and i couldnt give a rats about aged care tbh the richest generation are the boomers i dont know why people support a policy that poors more money into that generation as there average wealth level is like 3m in that generation the LNP already put in 19bn to help aged care the ALP giving it more money doesnt make sense to me.
      - spal on 08/06/2022 - 08:32
        
        +1
        
        @Trying2SaveABuck: I think there is hope for bringing back manufacturing. There are circular economies where you produce to consume. Waste recycling for once. No one wants our waste, and our waste disposal costs are going up. So, this could be an opportunity. There are grants being made for small scale manufacturing in this space. Universities are assisting with technology and research. Probably wouldn't ever reach the scales to make a big difference, but need to start some where and every bit counts.
        
        Trying2SaveABuck on 09/06/2022 - 09:20
        
        @spal:
        
        I think there is hope for bringing back manufacturing. There are circular economies where you produce to consume.
        
        For what it is worth i hope you are right, i hope this Labor government can prove me wrong…..but i think they are betting on the wrong horse and i think they are wasting time/money and resources on bring back 'manufacturing'
        
        but common sense dictates you can't raise wages and worker conditions and bring back manufacturing i dont know how they are going to negotiate this fact….
    - Drakesy on 08/06/2022 - 09:36
      
      Shhhh
      Let the liberal voters sit on their high horse thinking they're all superior.
      Their ego is too fragile to come to terms that maybe 3 weeks isn't enough to do anything meaningful
      - Trying2SaveABuck on 09/06/2022 - 09:14
        
        +1
        
        @Drakesy:
        
        fragile to come to terms that maybe 3 weeks isn't enough to do anything meaningful
        
        fair call ….execpt for the fact they banged on for 2 months about being anti coal and pro-climate and 3 weeks into the job they have pushed for more coal…..i'd argue that is meaningful and although i dont disagree with them doing it if you voted for the ALP based on environmental reasons you should be pissed…
  - Drakesy on 08/06/2022 - 09:34
    
    +1
    
    When you're handed a turd of a situation economically and energy wise there's a very limited number of strings to pull.
    
    The long term goal of transitioning sooner is still there, just the shitstorm in the short term will require more coal and gas because the coalition decided to let it run itself into ruin rather than preparing for the future.
    - Trying2SaveABuck on 09/06/2022 - 09:39
      
      coalition decided to let it run itself into ruin rather than preparing for the future.
      
      Boss Coalition couldnt do anything as the Greens and ALP had control of the Senate…..but for what its worth i agree the LNP were in charge for 9 years and didnt do much in way energy/fuel security.
      
      But make no mistake this is a 'broken' promise from the ALP you can't bang on about Green energy and 3 weeks into the job open up a dozen Coal stations. If LNP did this i wonder if the media and left wingers would be so quite about it?
      
      Regardless to your surprise i agree with ALP opening more Coal stations to help energy costs…but i dont think a lot of people who voted ALP would be and i reckon a lot of Greens voters would be disappointing considering they gave full preference to ALP
      - Drakesy on 09/06/2022 - 09:42
        
        +1
        
        @Trying2SaveABuck:
        
        Boss Coalition couldnt do anything as the Greens and ALP had control of the Senate…..
        
        Well can't say the coalition didn't have an opportunity to transition earlier.
        Instead they chose to do nothing
        
        Trying2SaveABuck on 09/06/2022 - 11:10
        
        @Drakesy:
        
        Well can't say the coalition didn't have an opportunity to transition earlier.
        
        For what is worth i agree, i think the LNP should of 'done more' - i dont judge them as harshly becuz we had a incredibly hard 3-years to lead a nation i think it is 'easy' to be a critic but overall i think Australia did 'ok' but regardless we are were we are prior to that i think emissions was still being debated as a 'science or a theory' personally i think we should of started building green solar farms 15 years ago.
        
        Regardless we have a ALP government now and we will how they go.
        
        Drakesy on 09/06/2022 - 11:13
        
        @Trying2SaveABuck:
        
        but regardless we are were we are prior to that i think emissions was still being debated as a 'science or a theory'
        
        You have to disassociate the two arguments. It's an economic argument, not one based on climate change. The coal plants are closing down because its not economically viable to keep them running with a plethora of solar plants out there generating cheaper electricity.
        
        This is what i feel the liberal supporters are too caught up on, they're too busy listening to Sky harking on about the 'pseudoscience' of climate change when the real driver is purely economic.
        
        Trying2SaveABuck on 09/06/2022 - 11:56
        
        @Drakesy:
        
        economically viable to keep them running with a plethora of solar plants out there generating cheaper electricity.
        
        Yes/No coal has become 'expensive' thus running a coal planet isnt worth it. - it is a bit of a 'chicken over the egg scenario'
        
        BUT the price of coal has only gone up because the ESG fillers in investing has made in almost impossible to start 'new' coal mines thus the existing companies and mines have a monopoly on the resource whilst it is still in demand.
        
        If you want proof look at the share price of companies like New Hope (NHC) and Whitehaven Coal (WHC) on the ASX over the past 18-24 months…..
        
        So yes Coal isnt 'cheap' but if there was no limits on investment like 5-10 years ago it would be…. if you want more proof look at the price of coal over the past 5 years it has gone from 90USD a tone to over 400 USD a Tone!
        
        https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/coal
        
        Thus although i supporter a "Greener future" this arguement that FF are expensive doesnt stand up in a 'free market' and i am a believer that people who have the facts and should be educated with bias and that is something the media in this country doesnt seem to do….
        
        Drakesy on 09/06/2022 - 12:10
        
        @Trying2SaveABuck:
        
        Thus although i supporter a "Greener future" this arguement that FF are expensive doesnt stand up in a 'free market' and i am a believer that people who have the facts and should be educated with bias and that is something the media in this country doesnt seem to do…
        
        But we're still skirting the issue that it's no longer a financially viable option given the plethora of solar and wind power out there, which has the added benefit of energy security and reducing Australia's reliance on external market forces which we're getting hammered with now. Really i'm struggling to see how not transitioning was better for the economy in the long run.
        
        The reasoning for not investing in coal mines is that the business cases don't stack up and banks aren't willing to inherit a white elephant if the miner goes bust. Yes there's a short term blip in the price of coal as a result of the war in Ukraine but the long term estimates are going backwards as it struggles to stay competitive with renewables.
        
        Trying2SaveABuck on 09/06/2022 - 12:14
        
        @Drakesy:
        
        Yes there's a short term blip in the price of coal as a result of the war in Ukraine but the long term estimates are going backwards as it struggles to stay competitive with renewables.
        
        once again this is the media's excuse but the facts are coal was over 300 USD a tone well before Russia Attacked Ukraine.
        
        I think Renewables will be a 'cheaper' but less reliable source of energy once the infastructure is in place however i am hit and miss on if i trust any Australian government to build something within a 'reasonable/set budget'
        
        Drakesy on 09/06/2022 - 12:17
        
        @Trying2SaveABuck: *It was $240 a tonne when the war started with the rest, similar to oil jumping up as a result.
        
        Trying2SaveABuck on 09/06/2022 - 14:42
        
        @Drakesy:
        
        It was $240 a tonne when the war
        
        fair point and fair to be called out i did think it was high regardless it was 'MUCH' high then the 20 year average which is like 1/3 of the 240USD - i only know this because all the fund managers were banging on the incredibly high margins the coal industry was getting as new players were u innable to getting into the market to meet demand….
        
        in the end of the day it is good for the planet so im not against it but it is important to stick to facts in a world of 'every idiot' virtue signalling and very little good reliable media all we have 'are the numbers' and the data
        
        As for oil that too was expensive 'prior to the war' but obviously the war isnt helping at 10% of oil comes from Russia but im pretty sure prior to the war it was over 90USD a BOE which is 'expensive' considering the long term average range is between 35-65USD a BOE
        
        I find it amazing Oil and Coal get shouted about the war but 'very few' people talk about the fact like 2-30% of the worlds fertiliser comes from Ukraine and that is why we have a world wide food shortage and sky-rocketing food costs
  - DoctorCalculon on 09/06/2022 - 01:00
    
    How do you propose they solve the energy crisis grappling our east coast given the current circumstances?
    
    BTW, politicians can never be trusted to keep their promises - it doesn't matter which party. Surely, you would know this by now.
outlander on 07/06/2022 - 22:04

+16

Is it becoming rapidly clear to anyone else that this whole electricity crisis is being manufactured by the people who own the majority of the energy sector?
miwahni on 07/06/2022 - 22:08

+5

As the article says - "unplanned outages". The govt is asking for the outages to be rectified so the plants can resume their current place in the grid. Transition away from coal can't happen overnight; it will be phased out in stages I would think, as older plants reach their obsolescence and aren't replaced by newer coal-fired generators.
netjock on 07/06/2022 - 22:09

People should wear and extra layer and turn their heating down.
- Mechz on 07/06/2022 - 22:14
  
  +2
  
  I don't ever use a heater and live in Melbourne. Doing my bit for the planet lol
  - payton on 07/06/2022 - 22:37
    
    +2
    
    💩💩
    Doubtful
- dust on 08/06/2022 - 09:50
  
  +2
  
  Not sure why you're getting downvoted, this is a pretty valid suggestion!
  - netjock on 08/06/2022 - 11:50
    
    +1
    
    Probably get up voted if I told them to drink a 6 pack of beer to warm themselves up. Obviously a lot more expensive than turning up the heating.
    
    Votes don't matter, everyone has a closet of axes to grind.
    
    My central heating is on 16C at night. Off during the day when 1 person WFH. Turn on the single 4Kw reverse cycle at 18C if 2 people working from home in the one room.
    
    My 2Kw solar is generating 7kwh export on a sunny day while out energy use is like 4kwh (due to no solar at night time)
Brodo Faggins on 07/06/2022 - 22:42

+6

No matter which party one stands for, 4 years down the road, we will vote for the other party hoping for something "better" (not amazing or anything, just "better").
Gov'ts = Rort.
SF3 on 07/06/2022 - 22:48

+1

News . com? Right…
zoombie on 07/06/2022 - 23:10

+8

For anyone wondering why we have an energy crisis in this country despite Australia being one of the biggest natural gas exporters in the world. The simple answer is that we have dumba** politicians in this country that are scared of the big global energy companies. Instead of putting their foot down and demand a better deal, they often bend over backward to accomodate them. I have no idea why…it's not like these gas fields can just pop up anywhere, we have the advantage in negotiation but here we are.

Here's an article that goes into more details of how we got here.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-06/the-great-gas-rort-wh…
rektrading on 07/06/2022 - 23:26

Australia has plenty of cheap coal.

Why don't you guys use it?
- AustriaBargain on 08/06/2022 - 05:12
  
  +8
  
  We also have plenty of cheap uranium.
  - dust on 08/06/2022 - 09:51
    
    +5
    
    I'm down for some nuclear power plants in Australia.
- Trying2SaveABuck on 08/06/2022 - 06:41
  
  +6
  
  Australia has plenty of cheap coal.
  
  i would echo it is 'bad' for the environment argument but i would also say burning it here or selling it to china to burn makes Zero difference the emissions end up in the air regardless….. the average Australians i have realized esp the last election are incredibly stupid they dont understand climate change isnt just an 'Australia' problem it is a world problem.
  
  We also have plenty of cheap uranium.
  
  funny thing is nuclear is the cleanest form of energy, and despite there being over 200 nuclear plants on the planet Australians are too scared to use uranium as an energy source…..
  
  too many simpletons do not understand the issue and challenge of climate change and energy security including the last and current government
  - Loot N Plunder on 08/06/2022 - 07:17
    
    Lets look at the facts on the current energy crisis
    
    The inaction of the liberal nationals over the past 9 years has led to this problem
    9 years of nothing (gas led recovery?) where is the oil angus bought from USA? where is Australias 3 plus months reserves? Australia’s fuel security package?
    
    As for nuclear
    takes to long to get online, costs to much to make a power plant, limited supply of uranium, storage of waste for thousands of years, shit load of carbon for digging it up and refining it and storing waste
    in the mean time we could have built it faster cheaper cleaner using pumped hydro, wind, solar, tidal offshore wind.
    
    just ask england about their Hinkley Point C nuclear power station
    - Trying2SaveABuck on 08/06/2022 - 07:20
      
      takes to long to get online, costs to much to make a power plant, limited supply of uranium
      
      this is so incorrect but ill give u the facts Australia has around 80 percent of the worlds Uranium it is cheaper then renewable energy and more reliable - it is the future as it produces no emissions
      
      The inaction of the liberal nationals over the past 9 years has led to this problem
      
      i dont 'disagree' with this but ALP seems to be happy to do the same thing….. when they literally promised the opposite…..
      
      just ask england about their Hinkley Point C nuclear power station
      
      if Russia, North Korea and japan can run a nuclear power planet so can we….why do we always look at usa and the uk i will never understand
      - Loot N Plunder on 08/06/2022 - 07:33
        
        +1
        
        @Trying2SaveABuck: it produces no emissions
        
        Bull crap
        
        All that steel all that cement all that digging all that processing even before 1 shovel of soil turned on the sight
        thousands of years to store the waste and containers need constant replacing nuclear is far from green.
        
        tomorrow we can install solar tomorrow we can install wind tomorrow we can start pumped hydro how many years do we need for nuclear? the design will be years and then the build will be years.
        
        there is a limited supply of uranium and then we have this highly toxic power station at the end of life to worry about
        
        solar, wind, pumped hydro to make hydrogen would be better than nuclear and much faster with lower emissions and we can start it today
        
        Trying2SaveABuck on 08/06/2022 - 11:27
        
        +2
        
        @Loot N Plunder:
        
        All that steel all that cement all that digging all that processing even before 1 shovel of soil turned on the sight
        thousands of years to store the waste and containers need constant replacing nuclear is far from green.
        
        Now back to the facts
        https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/nuclear/nuclear-power-an….
        "Unlike fossil fuel-fired power plants, nuclear reactors do not produce air pollution or carbon dioxide while operating"
        
        as for 1000s of years if Humanity doesnt change its ways we wont be here in 500 years let alone a 1000
        
        as for the 'cost' of building the planets welll slap me silly, if you think building solar panels etc dont produce waste and emissions, perhaps look at the old lithium batteries and what we do with them and how they go for environment….
        
        Loot N Plunder on 08/06/2022 - 11:51
        
        @Trying2SaveABuck: Now back to the facts
        
        co2 is produced in the manufacturing of the plant /fuel, transportation, decommissioning and storage of waste
        there isn't an unlimited supply
        it takes years to plan and many more years to build
        we need it now not some time in the future we need to reduce co2 yesterday not in 10-15 years
        should have done nuclear in the past now its to slow/expensive to come online
        
        Trying2SaveABuck on 08/06/2022 - 11:54
        
        +3
        
        @Loot N Plunder:
        
        co2 is produced in the manufacturing of the plant /fuel, transportation, decommissioning and storage of waste
        there isn't an unlimited supply
        
        Based on you argument i'd simply ask you this: Shipping Solar Panels and other materials form China is that carbon Free?
        
        The guy driving to repair broken wind turbines is that Carbon Free?
        
        When Solar Panels have defaults and catch fire like some have sure that must be Carbon Free
        
        The idea is to be Carbon Neutral it is impossible to be 100% Carbon 'free' Nuclear does a better job then most renewable when it comes to power produced, reliability of energy source, costs and impact on the planet
        
        i dont know why people put their head in the sand about this…
        
        Loot N Plunder on 08/06/2022 - 12:03
        
        -1
        
        @Trying2SaveABuck: Based on you argument i'd simply ask you this: Shipping Solar Panels and other materials form China is that carbon Free?
        
        NO is that what you wanted to hear?
        
        Its about reducing carbon NOW as in yesterday last year many years ago, sooner rather than later by doing it today
        Nuclear is what 10 plus years so we burn coal for another 10 years just for it to come online to save co2? or we build today for the future and also reduce burning coal at the same time?
        
        We don't have the time for nuclear its as simple as that
        the future rests on today not in 10 years
        
        A question for the nuclear fanbois
        Do you think we should wait or do something now?
        
        Trying2SaveABuck on 08/06/2022 - 12:07
        
        +4
        
        @Loot N Plunder:
        
        ts about reducing carbon NOW as in yesterday last year many years ago, sooner rather than later by doing it today
        Nuclear is what 10 plus years so we burn coal for another 10 years just for it to come online to save co2? or we build today for the future and also reduce burning coal at the same time?
        
        You do realise you can bring in renewable energy and build a Nuclear planet at the same time all whilst transition from FF
        
        Im not saying renewable energy does not have a place but to say it can replace FF on its own is insane.
        
        A question for the nuclear fanbois
        Do you think we should wait or do something now?
        
        We should be doing our bit but the 10 ten polluters USA, China, Japan, Russia, India, Iran etc should be doing ALOT MORE 80% of CO emissions come for 10 countries boss less then 1% of CO comes from Australia even if we cut all carbon tomorrow it would make NO difference to climate change dont get it twisted
        
        People need to stop listening to idiots and looking at the fact climate change is a world wide issue it needs a world wide solution
        
        Loot N Plunder on 08/06/2022 - 16:48
        
        -3
        
        @Trying2SaveABuck: People need to stop listening to idiots and looking at the fact
        
        So people talking about nuclear as an asset to our energy challenges right now are literally chasing unicorns
        https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/08/chasi…
        
        Australians are one of the highest co2 emitters per capita
        0.33% of the worlds population making 3.6% of the emissions
        lets face it Australians are pigs when it comes to the well being of the world
        
        Trying2SaveABuck on 08/06/2022 - 17:04
        
        +2
        
        @Loot N Plunder:
        
        Australians are one of the highest co2 emitters per capita
        0.33% of the worlds population making 3.6% of the emissions
        lets face it Australians are pigs when it comes to the well being of the world
        
        got any evidence to back up that we make 3.6% of CO2 - or did you make that number up? becuz im pretty sure that is a load of crap
        
        anyway ill 'give you facts' these are the top 5 biggest polluters
        
        https://www.activesustainability.com/environment/top-5-most-…
        
        Japan is 5th with 4% of world emissions
        
        This is a list of the top 10 polluters
        
        https://climatetrade.com/which-countries-are-the-worlds-bigg…
        
        non of which are Australia….. matter of fact Australia produce less 1.2 % of emissions on the planet
        https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/australia-…
        
        So please 'stop' being one of those 'idiots' who spreads misinformation - Australia isnt prefect and 'could' do better but isn't the problem if we stopped all CO2 tomorrow it would have no real impact on climate change these are FACTS
        
        Loot N Plunder on 08/06/2022 - 18:55
        
        -1
        
        @Trying2SaveABuck: got any evidence to back up that we make 3.6%
        
        https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-20/fact-check-australia-…
        This represents roughly 3.6 per cent of total global emissions for that year
        
        Trying2SaveABuck on 08/06/2022 - 20:07
        
        +3
        
        @Loot N Plunder:
        
        This represents roughly 3.6 per cent of total global emissions for that year
        
        funny how you pull this number out that isnt backed by anything but you ignore this line just under it backed by data 'PIK also publishes comparable data for individual countries……This suggests Australia's domestic emissions made up roughly 1.2 per cent of the global total in 2016'
        
        just remember this is YOUR SOURCE in addition this source is from 2016 which means the data is probably from 2015/2014 which is hitting almost a decade old….Australias emissions have dropped compared to the 'big 10' in terms of global output but once again dont let the facts get in the way of a 'good story' - but as i said we are less then 1.2 percent and this article that YOU provided backs that claim….
        
        as i said simpletons spending misinformation like the ' Adam Bandt' are more dangerous then helpful when it comes to battling climate change.
        
        please stop listening to politicians, Journalist and celebrities and listen to scientists because Australia is not really the issue, although i fully support us doing better we should be putting pressure on the BIG 10 to save the planet - China, Russia and USA Inparticular should be PAYING THE REST OF THE WORLD FOR THE DAMAGE THEY ARE DOING TO THE PLANET WE ALL SHARE
    - BobD on 08/06/2022 - 07:41
      
      +4
      
      The inaction of the liberal nationals over the past 9 years has led to this problem
      
      Not entirely the fault of the Libs. Back when Julia Gillard was Prime Minister all the QLD gas exports were starting up. An expert panel recommended to the government that they should reserve some gas for domestic use. The government declined to do that. Note that the then government included many in the current government including Anthony Albanese.
      
      The cure for the current gas supply problems would be for the NSW and VIC governments to urgently get some gas out of the ground. VIC has almost banned this for years and NSW has frustrated the development which amounts to a de facto ban.
      - Loot N Plunder on 08/06/2022 - 07:44
        
        -4
        
        @BobD: Not entirely the fault of the Libs. Back when Julia Gillard was Prime Minister
        
        what a joke
        
        that was 10+ years ago and the liberal nationals did nothing in 9 year they could have changed the outcome but didn't.
        
        nice try
        
        BobD on 08/06/2022 - 07:46
        
        +3
        
        @Loot N Plunder: The Libs didn't control the Senate and the Labs and the Greens were in mega frustrate mode. More coal and gas weren't allowed. Try again.
        
        Loot N Plunder on 08/06/2022 - 07:59
        
        @BobD: Try again.
        
        so in the past 9 years what did the liberal nationals do for power security for Australia?
        
        They couldn't even work out Australia's submarines
        How good is that
        
        payless69 on 08/06/2022 - 07:58
        
        @Loot N Plunder: The Greens who helped the ALP to even getting a proper grip will now pollute the earth.
        India is close to stop coal imports so there is plenty to burn from leftovers. They have plenty of engineers to go nuclear.
        
        Loot N Plunder on 08/06/2022 - 08:02
        
        @payless69: The problem is we need the power NOW not in 10-15-20 years time.
        things should have happened in their 9 years we got ZIP
        We reap what the liberal nationals have sowed in the past 9 years absolutely nothing for our future
        How good is that
        
        payless69 on 08/06/2022 - 08:12
        
        +1
        
        @Loot N Plunder: Queensland is producing the dirtiest power under forever labor according to the electricityMap app.
        Outages are way too common and their website has practically zero correlation.
        It is mostly organised by the states and while you guys got the Tesla battery we need generators in the most corrosive part of the country!
        Btw: there is no generating shortage, just greenies promising clean air and making it dirtier!
        
        Loot N Plunder on 08/06/2022 - 08:26
        
        +1
        
        @payless69: Queensland is producing the dirtiest power under forever labor according to the electricityMap app
        
        Section 122
        9 years to have done something anything for the good of Australians not multinationals
        pollution to hard
        energy security to hard
        submarines to hard
        wages to hard
        covid to hard
        quarantine to hard
        fire floods drought to hard
        rape sexual assaults dicks on desks sex in chapel to hard
        
        Hey sheeple look over there a boat
        How good is that
        
        payless69 on 08/06/2022 - 10:00
        
        +3
        
        @Loot N Plunder: it is wonderful,
        Labor has reduced private sector by 30%
        Public sector by 300%
        crime up 700%
        rapes go up as people loose work
        they created jobs for mates, 100s of teachers who get paid for never showing up
        how great is this??
  - AustriaBargain on 08/06/2022 - 10:06
    
    We could sell it to china and tax the heck out of it and use those taxes to transition to green energy sooner. Maybe the ends would justify the means.
spal on 08/06/2022 - 08:37

+1

I think desperate times call for desperate measures. That in no way means that the government is abandoning its green policies. It is good that we are encountering these challenges upfront. Because these real life scenarios will contribute to future policy development, have options built in to recourse to options of last resort.
Seraphin7 on 08/06/2022 - 09:07

+4

You mean these unavailable, untested, and unreliable alternative energy sources may not deliver the Green utopia we've been promised?
subywagon on 08/06/2022 - 10:03

+2

I wonder how all the climate change warriors are feeling about this……………….So much for a 'greener future' under the ALP.

Pretty lame and unintelligent analysis of the current situation which has been caused by over a decade of no real energy policy or direction.

Maybe if the Coalition hadn't been so busy stuffing their pockets and rorting we'd be in a better position across a whole range of issues.

Seems to me you are suffering from a massive case of "skynewsitis" and sour grapes. Love watching you Qanon guys "snowflake" and cry. Watching the election outcomes on Skynews was gold lol

Now that Dulton is the Liberal leader it looks like we get at least a decade of Labor, and hopefully more Greens at the next election.

I'm actually looking forward to a more diversified energy system under real leadership. Great times ahead!
Flying Ace on 08/06/2022 - 10:16

+3

Looks like years of little investment in renewables under an LNP government has meant that there is not enough power now and there is no choice but to use fossil fuels. Labor has inherited a country in the shitter, they've only been in power a few weeks, what else are they meant to do?
- subywagon on 08/06/2022 - 13:56
  
  They've been more active and achieved more in some areas in a couple of weeks than the Coalition did in a decade. It's great to finally have an adult government in control.

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