Is it illegal not to show full description about job details and payment for each work provided from the employee to contractors? As all information should be visible before accepting it am I correct?
Contractors Work Payment and Details
DEvok on 18/04/2022 - 07:05
Last edited 18/04/2022 - 09:51 by 1 other user
Last edited 18/04/2022 - 09:51 by 1 other user
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I drive for uber part time, each job provided has absolutely no details before accepting it, only aftwards when the offered contracted work is completed, there is no specific value, customer name or locations or any disclosure,I think which is not legal.
in the United states there was a lawsuit which finalised uber to show everything. is there any fine print on the ACCC justify into this? Cheers
Read your agreement with Uber. I have no doubt that will answer your questions.
Given the legal heat they have received in recent times re contractors I have no doubt that contractor agreement would be water tight and address your concerns
Maybe don't drive for Uber then?
whats lmgtfy? do you mean lgtbqa?
LMGTFY
Need some sort of bot to auto reply this to all ops posts.
I wish all major international lawsuits started with an initial mandatory Ozbargain consultation.
Which end?
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Can you elaborate what you mean by "employee to contractors"? employees are employed by a company. Contractors are hired by a company to do a job/work as specified by the company. employees do not hire contractors, companies do.
Ah, so you’re an Uber driver that doesn’t want to do trips that are not worth it for you.
Please just go and drive a taxi. That’s the game those guys play, and it’s why Uber is so good.
and it’s why Uber is so good.
I think you mean it’s how Uber keeps prices down for customers while keeping profits up and screwing drivers.
I don’t care about the price, I care about people who are close to me and severely mobility limited being able to get a trip 5 minutes up the road instead of rude cab drivers yelling at them that it’s not far enough and driving off on them. That shit happens regularly with cabs - never with Uber.
That's how a contractor relationship works, you do the work based on the contract you hold and you bill them for it. If you believe you're being underpaid by Uber then charge them for it, write up and invoice explaining the charges. Remember you need to itemise it though. But most likely Uber will point at your contract and go "you agreed to these specific rates for driving this amount of time/distance, you have no right to bill us extra".
Despite Uber's power in this situation, they're still the customer. If I go to the mechanic I don't need to provide them with a list of everything wrong with the car and how much they can charge me to fix it. They'd prefer I didn't so they could charge me to recharge the flux capacitor and refill the blinker fluid.
Not complaining about underpaying, just weird how the system has been manipulated and being the master of ddception, when you are offered any work, there is a price value for the payment regardless of the contract, the set amount is shown the passengers hence driver should be shown the same thing, I believe there is some loophole.
It’s not possible to have a contract stating that we will not tell you payment details for a assigned job, just wish someone on a legal perspective could confirm this.
Doesn't the contract with Uber state what percentage of the passengers fare you would receive along with all exceptions and other things like bonuses, etc, etc.
I do feel that if the payment details are shown upfront; many more drivers will reject short jobs like the taxis do. That is one of the big reasons Uber is more successful than other transport providers in that the driver cannot refuse a job. If you have any suggestions on how to prevent that; lets hear it.
I've had cases of drivers calling the passenger and asking. I always refuse to answer as that is just encouraging bad behaviour from the drivers.
Cancel it once you see the amount, that's entirely up to you.
I've worked as a contractor before, this is the norm. The company never tells me what they're onbilling me to the client. When they have a client that they've agreed to the pricing, they'll come to me and go "can you do this?", if I say no then it hurts the relationship and they won't come back to me.
This is what Uber is doing. You want to be able to say no without them knowing you're saying no, which is not a loophole. It's what every contractor has dealt with forever.
I mean not even the most basic principle details are shown, I thought for other contracting job you're given some find print what kind of client and an average amount you should be receiving and the hours and such. Just like contract jobs for accountants you've given a set amount before signing up for it, uber tells you the details on kilometres and everything what you get before you sign up so all this information should be displayed for the jobs correct?
How's is it right telling you to do a job and nothing about it, rocking up somewhere blind? It's even worse imagine accepting the job going there then knowing it's bad then refusing and declining it right?
@DEvok: You mean like a plumber, who comes out with no knowledge of what the job is until they get there? You can decline it once you find out.
That’s why plumbers charge call-out fees and such. Or when I was a contractor, built in wasted time into my hourly rate.
I don’t doubt your frustrations at all, but legally you signed the contract with them. It’s not a magic loophole that Uber is exploiting, this is just the life of being a contractor, read the contract closely and put in provisions to protect yourself.
Independent contractor with access to rideshare platform. I think you'll find you waived any rights when signing the agreement.
LMGTFY
Itemised bills for services
You have the right to ask a service provider for an itemised bill or account for up to 30 days after receiving the bill. This must be provided free of charge within seven days of the request.
An itemised account must show:
how the price was worked out
the number of labour hours and hourly rate, if relevant
a list of materials used and the amount charged for them, if relevant.
Source ACCC