Citilink city outbound towards Pascoe Vale.
Seemed like car day today. This prick got extra close, not sure who he is trying to race in a red Corolla because no chance in hell he would beat that Audi RS3 that came after.
Police should just have a video link page for submission.
Yes. Speeding, insufficient indicator notice, passing on left, failing to give way when changing lanes, not indicating correctly on right lane change. At least the rego was paid.
For the Audi, speeding and driving an Audi (not sure of that last one, but it should be an offence.)
I agree with most of those points raised with the exception of 'passing on left' - it is allowed. (note - it does say 'safely')
ROAD SAFETY ROAD RULES 2017 - REG 141
No overtaking etc. to the left of a vehicleRule 141(1) amended by S.R. No. 135/2021 rule 50(1).
(1) A driver (except the rider of a bicycle or an electric scooter) must not overtake a vehicle to the left of the vehicle unless—
(a) the driver is driving on a multi-lane road and the vehicle can be safely overtaken in a marked lane to the left of the vehicle;
Well underspeeders (and those who aren't overtaking) should not be on the right lane in 80km/hr or higher speed zone, to begin with
Well, considering the fact that the speeding driver appears to come across from the 2nd lane from the left of a four lane road I fail to see what your comment adds to this thread.
The only drivers doing as you describe are the ones in the rightmost lane and they do not seem to be the ones he veers around.
By the way, there is no such thing as 'underspeeding'. I know many here like to think the speed limit is the exact speed everyone must drive at but the Aust Road Rules do not agree with them.
Note point 2(b).
AUSTRALIAN ROAD RULES - REG 125
125—Unreasonably obstructing drivers or pedestrians
(1) A driver must not unreasonably obstruct the path of another driver or a pedestrian.Offence provision.
Note—
"Driver" includes a person in control of a vehicle—see the definition of "drive" in the dictionary.
(2) For this rule, a driver does not unreasonably obstruct the path of another driver or a pedestrian only because— (a) the driver is stopped in traffic; or (b) the driver is driving more slowly than other vehicles (unless the driver is driving abnormally slowly in the circumstances).Example of a driver driving abnormally slowly—
A driver driving at a speed of 20 kilometres per hour on a length of road to which a speed limit of 80 kilometres per hour applies when there is no reason for the driver to drive at that speed on the length of road.
should not be on the right lane in
80km/hr or highera greater than 80km/h speed zone, to begin with
FTFY.
(It’s roads where speed limits are “over” 80km/h, not “80 and above”)
@pegaxs: It is 80 km/hr or over, IF not then why the heck are there signs saying
KEEP LEFT UNLESS OVERTAKING in the 80Km zone (MAXIUM SPEED LIMIT).
AND No there is no bloody 79Km/hr speed limit anywhere.
You can google it if you want, clearly visible 80 km or above
https://i.imgur.com/Q5nQp68.png
@USER DC: LOL… nice try "champ".
Instead of using bullshit Google as your reference, how about you use the actual legislation (found HERE)
Since OP is in VICTORIA, I am quoting the Road Rules for VICTORIA (see the link above if you doubt me…)
130 Keeping to the left on a multi-lane road
(1) This rule applies to a driver driving on a multi-lane road if—
(a) the speed-limit applying to the driver for the length of road where the driver is driving is over 80 kilometres per hour
(b) a keep left unless overtaking sign applies to the length of road where the driver is driving.
And just to humiliate you a little further, I took that info from Google and looked up the South Australian Road Rules on the same matter and it states:
130—Keeping to the left on a multi-lane road
(1) This rule applies to a driver driving on a multi-lane road if—
(a) the speed limit applying to the driver for the length of road where the driver is driving is over 80 kilometres per hour
(b) a keep left unless overtaking sign applies to the length of road where the driver is driving
Both of them say "OVER" not "80km/h or over"
And if there was a sign there and it was a 10km/h speed limit or a 110km/h speed limit, you need to adhere to what the sign says, but in the absence of any sign telling you to stay in the left lane, the rule (as shown above) states that the road needs to be speed limited to ABOVE 80km/h.
@pegaxs: Generally first place people go to is GOOGLE
then, when it comes to practicability almost all the major/popular roads with 80Km/hr road zones all have sign saying keep left unless overtaking, so that creates the so called perception.
just to humiliate you
And lastly I think i am done talking/replying to dumb humiliators like you. No point wasting time on humiliators. Do whatever the heck you want HUMILIATOR or whatever you are called, wish there was a option of blocking such nonsense talkers
@USER DC: No, generally, the first place to look for legislation is your state government’s legislation website, not Google and pick the first answer that pops up.
almost all the major/popular roads with 80Km/hr road zones all have sign saying keep left unless overtaking
Cite your source. Where did you pull that data from? Or is it just anecdotal?
wish there was a option of blocking such nonsense talkers
Under this reply there is a literally a button that says “hide”. Click on that and it will have a check box that says; Hide comments from user pegaxs. Click that check box and then press F5 to reload the page. Voilà, problem solved. All my comments will be hidden and you won’t be notified if I reply to any comment you make.
(It’s roads where speed limits are “over” 80km/h, not “80 and above”)
Well said! Not to mention the "keep left unless overtaking" rule doesn't apply when the road is busy.
@Bad Company: It still applies when it’s busy, it’s just very hard to police because you are either overtaking or there’s no room to move back left.
@Euphemistic: No, the rule literally doesn't apply when the road is busy. Written in black and white in Victorian road rules:
When driving on any multi-lane road with a speed limit over 80km/h, you must keep out of the right lane unless:
https://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/safety-and-road-rules/road-r…
@Bad Company: I wonder what the definition of congested is?
When in doubt go to the legislation, the summary often doesn’t tell the whole story.
2) The driver must not drive in the right lane unless—
(a) the driver is turning right, or making a U-turn from the centre of the road, and is giving a right change of direction signal, or
(b) the driver is overtaking, or
(b1) the driver is approaching or passing a stationary emergency response vehicle with a flashing blue, red or yellow light (in accordance with rule 78–1), or
(c) a left lane must turn left sign or left traffic lane arrows apply to any other lane and the driver is not turning left, or
(d) the driver is required to drive in the right lane under rule 159, or
(e) the driver is avoiding an obstruction, or
(f) the traffic in each other lane is congested, or
(g) the traffic in every lane is congested, or
(h) the right lane is a special purpose lane in which the driver, under another provision of these Rules, is permitted to drive, or
(i) there are only 2 marked lanes and the left lane is a slow vehicle turn out lane.
Turns out that the law is not ‘keep left’ it’s ‘dont drive in the right lane unless..’.
@Euphemistic: Ha, you're correct, the "keep left" rule only applies to the far right lane, which the OP was not in. It's more like "stay out of the right-most lane".
And even if he was in the far right lane, I'd say the road was borderline congested.
A lawyer may be able to find the definition of "congested" from the books, but if were to go with a common definition of congested, I think it's pretty fair to say the road is beginning to be "congested" when you can no longer freely move between lanes. To me the video is showing exactly that.
@Bad Company: Bugger, that probably means those peanuts that stay in the middle of 3 lanes ‘because trucks’ may not need to move left. That is unless somewhere else it defines the centre lane as driving in the right lane.
with the exception of 'passing on left' - it is allowed. (note - it does say 'safely')
The “big” caveat here is on the word “safely”. Also road rule 144 also suggests giving “sufficient space” when overtaking. I would suggest this was overtaking was not does safely due to the speeds and the insufficient space given to OP’s car and the white CRV in the right lane.
Sure, overtaking on the left is ok on multi lane roads, but I don’t think the suggestion in the road rules as to what the Corolla did here was their intentions for that rule.
Speeding, insufficient indicator notice, passing on left, failing to give way when changing lanes, not indicating correctly on right lane change
If you had qualified those words as you did with the others your statement would stand ie unsafely passing on the left (the unsafe behaviour is the point, not the passing on the left).
I'm not in disagreement with you about how that driver behaved - my point was that, of your listed behaviours, passing on the left is not illegal.
@Grunntt: sometimes passing on the left of some stupid underspeeders (e.g. someone doing 70Km/hr in a 110 Km/hr zone in light lane) is the only option.
@USER DC: What part of 'it's legal to pass on the left on a multilane road' don't you understand?
And, again, there is no such thing as an 'underspeeder' no matter how much want to define it.
There have been a couple of posts above that clearly define what is and is not illegal despite your opinion.
@USER DC: How often have you ACTUALLY seen someone doing 70 in the right lane in 110 zone? Additionally, how often is there space to pass on the left of someone doing 70 in the right lane? My guess is your impatience exaggerates the speed difference.
But either way, learn to cope with slower drivers. It’s a maximum speed, not and target and some drivers have reasons to be going slower than posted.
Passing on the left is legal, but not preferred. Keeping left is a rule that many just ignore, or are driving in a state of ignorance and forget to move back left after overtaking or are so scared of changing lanes thy just don’t do it. https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/688087
@Euphemistic: I would just have had overtaken them way before the distance became too close, I dont tolerate cars going 15% or lower the speed limit in front of me without any reason.
@USER DC: Again, you don’t know the reason, and you are only guessing at 15%. You do realise that a speedo can be up to 10% out? So someone who thinks they are 5km under the limit (for good reason, so they don’t get booked creeping over a bit) might actually be your magical 15% under the number in the circle. Then there’s natural variation in speed, where drivers slow down while no one is around, and speed up to match passing drivers without realising.
You sound very impatient, try to be less concerned about slower drivers. You need to tolerate all sorts of clowns on the roads, slightly slow drivers are probably the least dangerous. It’ll make your journeys more pleasant if you aren’t upset.
Both are just plain reckless driving (which is an offensive)
Looks normal if you're a bad driver.
Yes, they seemed to think they were playing GTA or something.
Hnoestly IMO,
yes the over speeders on the road do cause a dangerous environment for drivers around them,
But underspeeding drivers do that as well e.g. someone driving at 40 Km/hr FOR NO REASON AT ALL, in 60 Km/hr zone, or someone failing to indicate for a turn or indicating late (like indicating during turning instead of 3 seconds before turning). And these people generally cause more dangerous driving environment for the drivers around them compared to someone overspeed by like 5 Km/hrs or less.
Are you suggesting that everyone else in that video was “underspeeding” and that the only two cars doing the speed limit were the Corolla and the Audi?
Also the “speed limit” is the upper limit of how fast you are allowed to go. It’s not a target or a minimum requirement to use that road. And you would want to push a driver who isn’t confident to do 105km/h who was only doing 85km/h, all because you want to go faster and you think that this will make the other driver safer?
And driving at 40 in a 60 zone is not dangerous. If anything, it’s a mild inconvenience (and is only exacerbated by your poor time management skills).
The road rules state; A driver must not unreasonably” obstruct another driver”, but it also goes on to quantify this by saying that “a driver driving more slowly that you is *not considered an obstruction, unless they are driving abnormally slow.” The definition for abnormally slow is then given of a driver doing 20km/h in an 80km/h zone, some 60km/h or more below the limit.
Road rules aside for a second, do you think someone doing 85 in a 100 zone is not an issue? Assuming they're not on their L's.
I made no mention of it being in issue or not, I am merely stating that if someone is doing 85 in a 100 zone, they are entitled to do it. Someone doing 105 in a 100 zone on the other hand, is illegal and I think the police may have an issue with that.
I have already done the math on this subject so many times. The frustration level of a driver doing less that the speed limit in front of you isn’t costing you as much time as you think they are. And your poor time management doesn’t trump their rights to drive at a speed that they deem safe unless their speed is considered as an unreasonable obstruction. (And for the record, you being 5 mins late for work is not their issue and won’t be solved by them going 5 to 15km/h faster.)
@pegaxs: Perhaps my question was misinterpreted. The reason I said road rules aside is because I know you are always on top of them, but don't usually seem to mention your personal opinion with them. That's all I was asking for.
@timthetoolman: I don't usually give my personal opinion of the road rule when it comes to quoting the road rules, as my opinion isn't fact, nor is it relevant. I want to stay objective and just lay out what the road rules are. Offering an opinion to balance one side or the other would be seen as biased. And like any opinion, it's very subjective and personal and seldom based on facts.
I do get negged a lot and that is because people think that when I quote a road rule, that this is also my "opinion", when the thing is, I may not agree with the rule, or I downright hate the rule, but the fact is, it is the rule and no amount of negging me is going to change that.
There are a lot of factors to consider in the question; "do you think someone doing 85 in a 100 zone is not an issue?". We need to know why they are doing it. How many other cars around them are doing it. How many cars are being affected by it. Is it a skill issue, is it a safety issue, is it a performance issue… There are so many factors to consider. It's not as clean cut as you are making it out to call it black or white. Can it be an issue? Yes. Can it also not be an issue? Yes.
When I don't consider it to be an issue is when it is my piss poor time management. The slower moving car is not at fault for me not giving myself enough time to encounter other drivers on the road. And like I have said before on numerous occasions, that person doing 85 in a 100 zone is not costing you as much time as you think they are. It may feel like it, but they simply just aren't.
Road rules aside for a second,
Can I ask how many times you just 'put the road rules aside' as they are inconvenient for you?
@Grunntt: Of course you can, lovely manners.
I follow the road rules for the most part, the only one I find flexible is speed though. I will drive to the conditions.
If it's raining and an 80km windy road, I won't do 80km.
If it's a country road and the posted sign is 110km and I'm entirely on my own, I have no issues driving 120km for example.
I'm sure I've said it here before but I would take someone speeding and paying attention, over someone going under and not paying attention /not being a good /confident driver any day of the week. Within reason of course.
No negs from me to your or peg btw
that's exactly my point, those underspeeders are a big reason behind a lot of accidents, (given they are not having L plates, nor they have their hazard lights on).
They are the ones who put themself at the highest risk of getting rear ended.
@USER DC: No it’s D-heads like you that cause rear Enders because you expect everyone to be doing the speed limit at all times and can’t cope with going slower for a little while.
There’s no such word as underspeeders.
@Euphemistic: anything doing between 0-10% below the speed limit is okay, anything lower without some valid reason is stupidity.
@USER DC: Every time I’ve gone more than 10% below the speed limit I’ve had a valid reason. You’ll never know what it was though because you aren’t in my car.
This country’s drivers have been brainwashed that speed is the most important thing to worry about and we’ve been conditioned that the number in the circle is how fast you have to go. But guess what, it’s a maximum, not a target.
Look, if you think cam car is driving poorly, the most they deserve is a ticket from police, not a near death experience.
At least in WA is it an offence to do more than 20kph below the speed limit on a freeway.
should be a law in all states, like honestly any lower than 15% IMO is just real stupidity (without any valid reason)
But underspeeding drivers
I love how you just Kanye your way into the conversation with a completely unrelated opinion piece.
Nothing about this video should prompt a reply about under speeding.
But underspeeding drivers do that as well e.g. someone driving at 40 Km/hr FOR NO REASON AT ALL, in 60 Km/hr zone, … overspeeding by like 5km/hrs or less
You don’t know the reason they are going slow. It might be a legitimate reason - such as being drunk, or the vehicle is malfunctioning. You then go on to compare it to a minor speeding offence that many police officers would let off with a warning.
Besides, the video showed obviously dangerous driving, not ‘speeding a little bit’.
And yes, driving too fast is more dangerous than driving slow.
I did say
someone driving at 40 Km/hr FOR NO REASON AT ALL, in 60 Km/hr zone
It might be a legitimate reason,,
the vehicle is malfunctioning
There's hazard lights for that, and if they are on then it is totally understandable for someone with headlights on, to be underspeeding
drunk
shouldn't be driving at first place
Point being, it’s not for you to decide how fast the driver in front should be going.
Yes, it’s frustrating at times when the driver in front is going a bit under the speed limit, but YOU need to learn to deal with it.
I was doing 80-83km on the speedo. Got super annoyed at the corolla so tried to chase after him got up to 90km/h before thought pointless as was driving some new hilux which is constantly in eco mode. Given that though, these guys would have to have been doing 110km+.
generally speaking those people whom you are claiming to be doing 110 Km+ is generally on for the time to overtake other very slow drivers.
Ofcourse e.g. someone going 85Km in a 90 Km zone, will not able to overtake the car in front (doing 85 Km) too quickly, so he should just go at 90Km for longer but some people choose to go to 90km/hr + just to have overtake done quickly, and get back down to 90 Km/h asap. In 90 Km/hr zone everyone in general should be doing 81-90 Km/h. there's usually some Cruise control mode in newer vehicles you should try using that to keep your speed around 85 Km/hr.
In 90 Km/hr zone everyone in general should be doing 81-90 Km/h.
What I don't get is… why is it now only 10%, when before you said it should be 15%?
Should it not be 76~90km/h, you know, that is the 15% you suggested numerous times.
I think that was me :)
The only two crimes in that video are:
The camera is filming the sky. Tilt it down dude.
That music is shite. Turn it down dude.
The camera is filming the sky. Tilt it down dude.
So he can film a bonnet instead?
If I turn it down more, all you would see is the dash and bonnet.
Dunno what was playing. I have argentina youtube subscription so youtube music plays that billboard by default.
I have argentina youtube subscription
Like a true ozbargainer, props to you
Safest to go 20-30kmph in a 60 zone.
30-40kmph in a 80 zone, and 50-55kmph in a 100 zone. Might put yourself in a situation where you're being tailgated and cut off every 10 seconds, but at least you're safe. Lol
No - what you are trying to be amusing about are actual examples of illegal acts as defined by the Aust Road Rules.
I have to ask why do you see it as acceptable to respond to a situation you don't understand the reason for by tailgating and cutting people off?
When did I say tailgating and cutting off was acceptable? Please calm down and don't jump to conclusions, first step of being safe.
You are critical of people who drive too slow but not one word of critiscism for those who respond by tailgating or cutting people off.
@Grunntt: You haven't been critical or said a word about drink drivers, so I guess I'll jump to the conclusion that you think drink driving is OK?
Safest to go 20-30kmph in a 60 zone.
30-40kmph in a 80 zone, and 50-55kmph in a 100 zone.
Speed limit is the limit, wish I could say its only a "you" problem if you wish to speed.
You haven't been critical or said a word about drink drivers, so I guess I'll jump to the conclusion
If a strawman argument is the best you can do then I can see why you have problems understanding a point being made.
@Grunntt: I'm just following the lead, thought we playing a game of jumping to conclusions. Can't win against you!
Remember, calm down, don't speed and don't jump to conclusions (a lot of accidents happen this way!)
Might put yourself in a situation where you're being tailgated and cut off every 10 seconds, but at least you're safe. Lol
Ok - to spell out the difference for you - you made a statement that included laughing at a specific unacceptable behaviour.
You haven't been critical or said a word about drink drivers
I didn't mention anything about the behaviour, specifically drink driving, you make a conclusion about.
Get it yet? May be worth going to look up what a strawman argument is and the intent behind its' use.
Exactly the kind of people i was referring to, those who honestly should have licenses revoked or put into extra driving lessons
Just running late to their own funeral. It’s probably a hire car, that’s why it’s faster than a formula 1.
If you have the number plate make a police report and see what they can get them on (speeding, dangerous driving, driving without de care, etc)
I am concerned that anyone would not know it was illegal.
Why is this even a question?
Op what song is this kinda catchy
I wanted to know as well and used the Google app which figured it out in less than a second right from the beginning beats. Amazing.
Btw, it's Bilionera by Otilia.
Hahha Thanks 7 year old song what !
Citilink city outbound towards Pascoe Vale
Must be going home to Broady in a hurry
Why someone with a red Corolla would drive like that is inexcusable, throw them behind bars. The Audi RS3 on the other hand, somehow I have more sympathy for that guy, I don't know why…
It doesn't matter what's under the hood. The only thing that matters is who's behind the wheel. /s or not ;)
not sure who he is trying to race in a red Corolla because no chance in hell he would beat that Audi RS3 that came after.
A well driven corolla would beat an RS3 with a clueless driver.
But that RS3 launch control will blow the corolla (assuming the driver knows how to engage it)
Launch only works In a straight line from a standing start. Of course an RS3 is going to win in outright acceleration, but chuck in some twists and turns, or dangerously weaving through traffic, and a good driver will outclass a dud driver.
Is This Kind of Dangerous Driving Illegal?
As you are asking this question…what other types of illegal driving acts do you possibly perform or those that do so to a dangerous level, and just do not realize it?
Think on these… Only 3 flashes or only 3 seconds of indicating is illegal. 1KLM/H over posted limit is also illegal, not indicating to exit any and every round a bout and so many more.
I am visiting Sydney again(it just seems worse down here although the poor driving skills are getting worse and it is everywhere), and everyday examples - the many drivers touching over and crossing most single and the many double solid lines…cutting corners and and crossing in front of oncoming traffic is also very illegal - apart from the few exceptions.
Even when often I am towing I try so vigilantly to follow all rules, to stay off the lane dividing white lines you know the ones that help avoid head on crashes - yet even the small car drivers are constantly stupid, useless, ignorant, or blatantly can not drive safely and stay completely within the marked lanes.
Yet so many do….and the the hundreds of other road rules most drives ignore…are illegal, and in may cases can be upgraded to dangerous.
Maybe the RS3 is just following along far behind enough so the Corolla acts as a minesweeper for cops.
It's like tagging at the end of a convoy of cars all speeding. The cops can't stop all of us, right?
…acts as a minesweeper for cops
🤣 I always look for faster cars to follow on long drives, but I've never heard it be called that before!
You’ve just got to be far enough behind that the cop has time to get out and chase before you pass. Otherwise, they might just choose the easiest option to pull over.
Sweepers also don’t help with cameras.
I usually drop way back so that I can just see the car ahead. The straights are good because I can see when there's movement from either side from a distance if a colourful cop car pulls out.
There's been a few times where there's noone else on the highway and I'm speeding by up to 20km/h. I see in my rear view mirror that a cop car has pulled out and it goes right up my arse, follows me for a while, (and I think I'm f'd) then they suddenly turn around and head back in the opposite direction. I'm not sure why.
Sweepers also don’t help with cameras.
For that, I have Waze on. It's not infallible, but anything helps!
I never understood why flogs trash their cars (even shit nuggets) & drive so dangerously? Addicted to aggression and give 0 fks about no one else.
Imagine there is a car right in front of you before the red Corolla merged left and he rear ends it - it's at least minimum 4-5 car pile up. Could be way more if any of the cars start rolling/going sideways.
All headaches with insurance, finding another car, having no car for groceries, everyone on road is mass delayed. And all the lives at risk, cops/ambo/fire-ies, funerals, etc.
What for??????? I honestly wanna know. So you can get to X 10mins earlier? Or prove to the next flog you can do 40km over 80?
If you wanna die then go neck yourself and just p1ss off.
Cars are designed to cope with driving a lot faster than our speed limits. Driving hard won’t kill it, crashing might. Idiots like these think they are so good they won’t crash.
Unfortunately some people are just wired to enjoy going fast. I’m one of them. I’ve matured a bit though and no longer carry in like a tool in traffic and get my fix in other legal ways.
Anti-hoon laws exist in Victoria.
https://www.police.vic.gov.au/hoon-laws