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Seagate IronWolf NAS 3.5" HDD SATA Internal Hard Drive 7200RPM ST8000VN004 8TB $265.50 Delivered @ Futu eBay
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You've basically got a choice of RAID10 or RAID6.
Either is a pretty good choice, just don't do RAID5.
Why not RAID 5, curious to know
On any decently sized disks, the chances of encountering an unrecoverable read error during a raid5 rebuild or simply having another drive fail during the stress of a rebuild makes raid5 too risky. Dell officially "deprecated" raid5 in 2011 for enterprise gear, for similar reasons.
Most people should be running raid6. RAID10 is also a good option, although is a bit riskier (between raid5 and raid6 risk). RAID10 is significantly more performant than raid6 in most cases, fwiw.
@BigLeviathan: just got my HDD. Looks like it only allows mirror, which is doesn't help or RAID 5. Any tutorials on how do I go to RAID6/10 from RAID 1?
@Tadashi: I don't have Synology, I only have QNAP; but this article might help you.
To change the RAID type of a storage pool:
Launch Storage Manager.
Go to Storage Pool.
Select the storage pool that you want to change its RAID type, and click Change RAID Type from the Action drop-down menu.
Select the RAID type that you want to change to. Click Next.
Select the drives to add to the existing storage pool. Click Next.
Note: All data on the newly added drives will be erased. Please make sure to back up your data in advance.
Follow the wizard to finish.
What kind of NAS? If you're on TrueNAS I'd buy 2 and add in another mirrored vdev. Would like to do this myself but don't have enough ports left.
I’ve got the Synology DS920+
Just stick with synology hybrid raid. It's one of the main advantages of getting the synology stuff.
At these volume sizes, I'd be going 2 drive parity, So RAIDZ2 if you can run ZFS otherwise RAID6/RAID10 (probably prefer raid10 over 6 just for performance)
The number of times I've had a drive fail during a repair/resilver is just too often..I went RAIDZ2 and regret it. No way to expand without replacing all the drives (at the moment). I'd go mirrored vdevs now so I could just add 2 extra drives in. Efficiency is reduced, only 50%, but failed drives also kind of increases, you could technically have 1 drive in each vdev fail and be okay, but if both drives in a vdev fail you've lost everything.
Email in my gmail inbox.
Date:
Sat, Nov 10, 2018, 5:34 PMDelivery Information:
4 X WD 8TB My Book Desktop External Hard Drive - USB 3.0 - WDBBGB0080HBK-NESN
$980.64
Item Subtotal: $891.48
Postage & Packing: $0.00
Total before GST: $891.48
GST: $89.16
Total: $980.64
Paid by Mastercard: $980.64
$980.64 / 4 = $245.16 each.3 years, 3 months ago :(
Prices need to start dropping.Completely different HDD so no comparison. The WD 8TB drive you mentioned is a desktop drive running at 5400rpm vs the Ironwolf NAS drive running at 7200rpm.
NAS drives are designed to be run 24/7 unlike desktop drives.
There are NAS drives in those units more often than not
"The WD 8TB drive you mentioned is a desktop drive running at 5400rpm vs the Ironwolf NAS drive running at 7200rpm."
wrong, it's a white label, WD red drive running at 5400rpm vs 7200rpm (THANK GOD) because 7200rpm is stupid as hell in a NAS
Who wants hot, noisy, power hungry disks, for 10% more speed? I want a big, dumb, reliable, quiet storage box. I HATE 7200rpm in my NAS, I've done it before and I won't do it again.
"NAS drives are designed to be run 24/7 unlike desktop drives"
Thats marketing speak. For NAS drive you mainly pay more for warranty.
Hardware-wise, there is not much fundamental difference between desktop drive vs NAS drive and the differences mainly affect performance rather than reliability.
I paid $295.20 delivered in Dec 2018 for this exact drive, https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/332243310796
Seagate IronWolf 8TB 3.5" 7200RPM 256MB Cache SATA Internal NAS Hard Drive HDD
Time placed 3 Dec 2018 at 10:07 PM
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Delivered on Saturday 8 Dec 2018Back in 2015 I think I paid ~350 for each Seagate 8TB. Prices are stuck
At least it is not going up. Imagine if the HDDs are more than what they cost 2+ years ago like everything else.
Your price comparison is not valid.
WDBBGB0080HBK-NESN are not NAS drives.
They are WD Red with white labelling.
They are very much NAS drives.
Furthermore they're nice 5400's not hot, noisy 7200s for only 10% more speed. If you want speed, you buy SSDs.I hate 7200s now that SSDs exist. Never again (bye Toshiba)
Show me a 8TB SSD for under $300 and I'll be the first one in line for one……
Why would you pay the same or more money for a HOTTER AND NOISIER drive in your NAS that's /slightly/ faster.
When a NAS is for big dumb safe storage?
7200 is bunk for a NAS. 8TB 5400 is fine by me. If they sold a disk that was 4200rpm, same price, even cooler, even quieter, even less strain on the disk? sign me up.
yeah, at best you're getting 2tb for the same price. 4x the cost for SSD
If you want speed you run a proper RAID setup.
Depending how much speed you want, you use SSD, add more memory or yeah, more hard drives.
Certainly using 7200rpm disks isn't a wise move. So much noise and heat for little gain.
Except they are valid because they are NAS drives inside.
I read the new WD externals, if under 12tb, they are no longer cmr?
I had a 10tb back in the day when they had NAS drives inside but I thought must go 12tb or higher now to be cmr for sure?
All disks over 6TB are CMR I believe.
@hamwhisperer: Ah really, heard they didn't disclose some drives were smr when they were as well. Maybe before 10tb and above guaranteed a certain type of drive then it changed, I don't remember now.
Good if anyone wants to clarify!
@JL1: They lied for sure - I heard about it, but someone corrected me on this recently and it was only under 6TB. Anything above that are 'normal'
would have been great if this is WD, my last 3 Seagate HDD doesnt even last a decade..
lol
A decade? Gee you don't ask much.
comparing them to WD that i bought at the same time…
but yeah you are right, i should expect 2-3 years from Seagate..
For every person whinging about Seagate you have an equal and opposite person complaining about WD. It's all down to luck, and they're just as good as each other. Also a decade. If you're using a NAS, and have critical info on it and are waiting a decade before replacing it, you are a risky little chooken.
Definitely agree with you that it all comes down to luck, even condom is not 100%, however if we are talking about stats, i wonder which one ranks higher than the other.
use RAID+NAS and replace the drive when it fails, also back up your back up.
I remember seeing a paper probably 6 months back that pout seagates marginally better than WD's(like 3-4% less fail rates). I'll try find it again.
I paid $339 for this drive (8TB Seagate 3.5" 7200rpm SATA IronWolf NAS HDD PN ST8000VN0022 ) back in June of 2019.
Deal is good.
Thanks OPHow noisy are the Ironwolves?
Not too bad IMO. I have 2x running in a dock right beside me at the moment and i cant hear them over the hum of my PC. I had to put my ear right next to them to listen.
Found them to be not the quietest but not the worst
They are noisier than WD REDs, they do spin faster.
In my case I found the 8Tb ironwolf to be noticeably louder than the 5900 rpm 4ttb flavour.
Faster spinning and more platters = more noise ….
I've got a WD red in a Home Cloud sitting next to my 2 Ironwolves in my PC, and find the red to be louder tbh. It's about 7m away from me in the living room and i've been sleeping with the door open as I got a new puppy recently and it hasn't affected my sleep, or been noticeable at all- and I'm quite a light sleeper.
great, another hdd post, for my prone collection
Thanks OP.
$60 gift card limit to 250 units, started on the 21st and no indication how many are left. So chances you'll not get the gift card.
These aren't the best price i think ever but if im not mistaken the last one was in Sept 2021. and that was for about $255 i think. I bought two then. I only used these drives. Also you can enter in the comp seagate are having atm too with this purchase.
finally a 8tb drive that is good on ozbargan 7200rpm 265kb cache.
There used to be so many good deals on hard drives from the external ones that people shuck from. After Chia that became a distant memory. It shot up so quick. And I don't even know if people mine Chia anymore.
Wish there are discounts on 10tb plus drives again
Chia is pretty much dead, we're just waiting for distribution networks to return to normal for prices to drop back to being reasonable.
Chia hasn't drastically affected hard drive prices in a while I feel, although I could be totally wrong.
One thing it has totally screwed has been anything that holds lots of hard drives. Anything that could conceivably be used for farming (not mining) Chia has pretty much only climbed in price, especially second hand disk chassis, JBODs etc…
They made prices shoot up basically within a week or two once it started and prices haven't gone back down to those levels since then.
No more 10tb external drives at $250 to shuck anymore. No good deal on any external hard drives.
@Zorlin: Lol fair enough. But if it costs more than before chia I don't really consider it a good deal. There also used to be WD amazon deals much more often.
Chia hasn't directly inflated prices for a while but it seems like after they dried out supply it's been slow to recover and restock the supply chain so prices have stalled high and only slowly coming down over the last 3-6 months.
Fair enough, there was a crazy demand for higher capacity drives. It was hard to find anything decent priced for 10tb and upwards basically straight away after Chia.
I bought the last good deal from B&H 14tb seagate external and I think it took nearly half a year to arrive because of stock levels.
Any good 2.5 data ssd please?
Very good price. I paid between $276 and $292.31 in Dec 2021.
are these OK for normal desktop use, or does being designed for NAS use make it worse for desktop PC usage?
They're perfectly fine for standard desktop usage.
Picked up 2x ironwolf 8tb on valentines day for $209 each. Deal too good to be true then when I ordered another one, the supplier said it was a "system error" on their end and didn't honour the new purchase.
Right now, Amazon have 6tb for $202 direct from the US free shipping.
thanks OP! Been running out of space on my NAS so been looking to fill up the other 2 spare drives.
Anyone move from 2 BAY to 4 BAY. Any suggestion on the type of RAID? Currently using RAID 1 with 2 drives