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A great initiative from Optus. Hope this senseless war ends soon.

During this challenging time, we know staying connected is more important than ever. That is why Optus is crediting all calls and SMS to Ukraine, and roaming charges for Ukraine, until at least 13 March 2022.

We will be automatically crediting standard international calling and SMS charges for calls made from Australia to Ukraine from 28/02/2022 until at least 13/03/2022.
The same applies for international roaming charges for roaming usage in Ukraine during the same period of time.
For calling, this applies to eligible Consumer and Business Fixed and Postpaid Mobile plans in Australia. Customers on Optus Choice Plus plans will first need to purchase the Group 3 International Calling Pack to access calling entitlements to Ukraine.
For roaming, usage incurred on eligible Consumer and Business Postpaid Mobile plans will be credited. The credit will reflect on the relevant bill/invoice as “Ukraine Conflict Credit”.

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  • tunzafun001 on 28/02/2022 - 23:48
    +5

    Wouldn't much of the coms in/out of Ukraine be taken out? I watched Elon Musks satellites zipping through the sky last night. What a bizarre sight.

    Should definitely include Romania etc.

      • a1b2c3e4f52002 on 01/03/2022 - 00:00
        +19

        If it was the US then it would be a totally different situation lol

        • [Deactivated] on 01/03/2022 - 00:28
          +14

          Yep, and then it'd get burried away and not covered by MSM. Any leakers would be facing life in jail for putting citizens at risk.

      • Techie4066 on 01/03/2022 - 00:04
        +5

        yeah no

        • Mr Frodo on 01/03/2022 - 06:51
          +7

          And we're off to the comments section here for some expert opinions on war

          • Techie4066 on 01/03/2022 - 17:23
            +2

            @Mr Frodo: I was considering leaving it on that note but we have nub the Russian propagandist among us, twisting the good intentions of sovereign Eastern European nations.

        • kiriakoz on 01/03/2022 - 00:17
          +56

          Obviously war isn't nice and the Russians are definitely the aggressors here, but I wouldn't believe 100% of everything that's reported. Journalists have a history of lying in all wars. They're definitely going to over - report any Ukrainian civilian casualties, to put pressure on Russia. If it ends the war, I'm for it. As another example, the war in Afghanistan, which went on for 20 years, had over 200K casualties, of which 25% were civilian, which was hardly reported. That's almost 50,000 innocent civilians.

          • a1b2c3e4f52002 on 01/03/2022 - 00:20
            +28

            @kiriakoz: Ya, given the fact that most major medias are controlled and directed by the Western countries anyway so they can brainwash ppl into believing something that is not true.

            • kiriakoz on 01/03/2022 - 00:25
              +34

              @a1b2c3e4f52002: yeah, unfortunately I've now been alive for quite a few wars. I remember most major media outlets saying that Iraq DEFINITELY had weapons of mass destruction…

                • [Deactivated] on 01/03/2022 - 00:40
                  +33

                  @matttttt: How's it irrelevant Matt? MSM made a blatant lie, A LIE in order to invade a country, for thousands to die and ultimately for ISIS to propagate. That's somehow "irrelevant" LOL?

                  • [Deactivated] on 01/03/2022 - 09:47
                    +2

                    @[Deactivated]: Agree, it is relevant, as the same card played by Russia now, just replace "WMD" with "nazis".

                    • rufus001 on 01/03/2022 - 16:09
                      +1

                      @[Deactivated]: Azov "freedom fighters" say Hi!

                      • [Deactivated] on 01/03/2022 - 16:14

                        @rufus001: Good point. All you need to add the photoshopped photo of them with swastika.

                        • rufus001 on 01/03/2022 - 20:15
                          +1

                          @[Deactivated]: Or public statements made by their leader.

                          • [Deactivated] on 01/03/2022 - 20:57

                            @rufus001: Dont be shy about your sources : )

                • kiriakoz on 01/03/2022 - 00:42
                  +10

                  @matttttt: Not irrelevant, if that was the reason we went to war (rather than WMD), why not say so? It's not the government's personal army, it's ours and so the reasons why we're going to war (and why soldiers are risking their life), should be clear. Also, if the reason was because Hussein was a war criminal, why haven't we gone to war in North Korea? Where's the consistency? Finally, the Iraq war gave birth to Islamic State, so it was a failure anyway. You've embarrassed yourself here.

                  • netsurfer on 01/03/2022 - 01:41
                    +7

                    @kiriakoz: Mainstream news, especially if people just don't try to get news from variety of sources, can be easily manipulated.

                    The reason why this war happened is complicated. There was history involved (not just Russia and Ukrainian, but also with USA and NATO in the mix). Then, there are political factors. Problem is that most people don't have time to find all the information and can be easily manipulated if they just consume news information from limited sources.

                    Yes, there were misfires and some media took advantage of that. However, those misfires did kill innocent people. Do give the media some credit though, they did report Russia did not cut off the gas supply to Ukraine. Also, Google did not block us from accessing USA professors mentioning the decisions US made years ago which contributed to this.

                    Iraq war, well… that one just shows big brother can be nasty. Is that a surprise though? You think our government didn't know?

                    Our mainstream media here can be very biased. Both the left leaning and right leaning news here can try to feed people a load of **** quite often. You can get two completely different views on the same event.

                    Politicians aren't there to do the right things or enforce world peace all the time.

                    • Justsendit on 01/03/2022 - 07:23
                      +20

                      @netsurfer: Also Ukrainian forces have been attacking Russian people who live in the Donbas region for over 8 years and no one from western countries seems to care about them. Ukrainian forces have committed multiple war crimes against these people. Source - I have family living in Donetsk

                      • Lets Go Brandon on 01/03/2022 - 08:54
                        +2

                        @Justsendit: Russian funded terrorists living in UKRAINE TERRITORY.

                        • [Deactivated] on 01/03/2022 - 21:05

                          @Lets Go Brandon: Pretty disgusting that you call everyday people terrorists, simply for living in a contested region. It's people with that mentality who commit genocide.

                    • and on 01/03/2022 - 13:21

                      @netsurfer: Rather interesting article. The author is from the Cato Institute (The Cato Institute is an American libertarian think tank headquartered in Washington, DC). hardly pro-Moscow organistation to say the least

                      https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/28/nato-e…

                      People need to understand that the issue is MUCH more complex than our media (God bless them, so-called "independent" and "Free" media!) is picturing.

                • RickyJ on 01/03/2022 - 00:52
                  +1

                  @matttttt: The democratically elected government of Ukraine was overthrown by neo-nazis back in 2014, many would say with the help of the CIA. Ever since then, they've been murdering their own citizens in the East of the country and Western allies have been arming them up for it.

                • Creamsoda on 01/03/2022 - 01:23
                  +13

                  @matttttt: They also said Iraqi soldiers killed babies in their incubators at the UN general assembly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony don't believe atrocity propaganda from the government please. These day and age its easy to do some research your self.

                  The Russians have been very restraint in this invasion. If you compare it with Syria you'll know how restraint they've been. It's like watching a PG war movie but pretty sure things will get nasty when they start using Artillery and MLRS on population centres.

                  • Techie4066 on 01/03/2022 - 01:56
                    -7

                    @Creamsoda:

                    The Russians have been very restraint in this invasion. If you compare it with Syria you'll know how restraint they've been. It's like watching a PG war movie but pretty sure things will get nasty when they start using Artillery and MLRS on population centres.

                    I'm sorry… we're talking rhetoric here and you've got it so wrong. Look at the talk about genocide being the motive to capture (not just) the "breakaway" Donbass. Zelenskyy the Jewish neoliberal being labelled a neo-nazi fascist. Pay attention before making these assertions and get real.

                    • Creamsoda on 01/03/2022 - 02:11

                      @Techie4066: wth you on about? can you read? Maybe you should be the one that pays attention before randomly implying i think this invasion is justified. Point out where have i mentioned anything about "fascist" or "genocide" ??

                      • Techie4066 on 01/03/2022 - 02:15
                        +1

                        @Creamsoda: You were examining the Iraq war US narrative line of discussion in this reply chain. While I wholly agree with the whole IWD saga, I simply quoted and challenged your claim that Russia is being reserved in this invasion.

                        In doing so I am questioning the core grounds upon which this invasion was established and is bound by. They are not at all being restrained in the Kremlin - the very reason they started invading is because of claimed genocide in the Donbas under the neo-Nazi leadership of Zelenskyy, as published through their propoganda outlets. That is obviously all a blatant lie for all to see.

                        No, I never thought you believed the invasion was justified, but what rational Aussie would? Everything in-between agreeing and disagreeing with this illegal war against humanity is a huge chasm of discussion, and that's what we're engaging with.

                        On top of all that, Putin is responding to "Western escalations" by using nukes to posture and getting Belarus on-side for nuke depoloyment. If that's not deranged then I don't know what is. Totally unrelated, but their flag carrier Aeroflot is also pushing the boundaries by making countless violations of the airspace bans now imposed by many countries. Touché.

                        • Creamsoda on 01/03/2022 - 02:42
                          +1

                          @Techie4066: i'm talking about the military equipment and targets so far, taken purely on a military strategy point of view. Russians has been very restraint for not turning cities into rubble SO FAR. So i'm still confused as to why you questions me regarding core grounds of this invasion?

                          If you want to rant about Russians and their reason for invading you should maybe discuss it with nub?

                          • Techie4066 on 01/03/2022 - 02:44
                            +2

                            @Creamsoda: Will do. It's good to have these points in the chain of conversation anyway.

                            I just have a difference in belief, especially being in the information/cyberwarfare age, that rhetoric and narratives and propoganda has almost as much weight as the physical offensive itself. It's a HUGE part of "military strategy".

                            Aside from not turning cities into rubble (which I don't know why people argue given Putin's wholly unfounded motives for war), you know those sneaky Russian hackers have downed many online services civilians rely on?

                          • star-ggg on 03/03/2022 - 07:47

                            @Creamsoda: Yeap, the generic capitalist method is to free local citizens by reducing their cities and military installations (ie critical infrastructure) to rubble and sending in your companies as contractors to fix/own them.

                • Ghos7 on 01/03/2022 - 17:20

                  @matttttt: You're so keen on war that you're OK with being lied to so they can justify starting them? Cool…..

                  They all knew there were no WMDs and Pelosi is on record admitting it.

              • NEGATIVEVIBESONLY on 01/03/2022 - 21:11
                +1

                @kiriakoz: was there any weapons of mass destruction in the end?

            • Laziofogna on 01/03/2022 - 00:40

              @a1b2c3e4f52002: Just look at the last 24 months

            • Chocobros on 01/03/2022 - 08:05

              @a1b2c3e4f52002: So true. Take a look at sky news for starters. Radicalisation at its finest.

          • [Deactivated] on 01/03/2022 - 07:46

            @kiriakoz: I'd struggle to believe 10% of what the lamestream media report (if I could stomach watching them anymore, which I can't). e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfArW6zppYw

          • NEGATIVEVIBESONLY on 01/03/2022 - 08:25

            @kiriakoz: Just read from all sources and not just from the west only. Thanks Optus we have the internet nowadays.

          • srhardy on 01/03/2022 - 10:23
            -4

            @kiriakoz: clearly they are not (well no more than the USA since 2001 is anyway)

            2 peace agreements and Ukraine broke both, bombed their own people (killing some 14,000+ over 7 years) and would let off rockets into Russia, targeting Vostok (a major city) ~ No one, not israel or the usa would have put up with this for a day let almost the best part of decade!

            The blame is the west… Ukraine is poor, corrupt and in the East mostly what Stalin called 'white russian's' or we would call nazi's… These belief's were nominal, like they are in the USA, to a subset minority ~ UNTIL in 2014 the WEST (CIA, USA) targeted and funded this group into violence!

            They brought the nazi's to power as long as they chose the president, an x-world-banker who then promptly STOLE all of the gold to the USA (2 jombo jet fulls, they will NEVER SEE AGAIN) and they government and the one that followed it, both would negotiate peace and then take the EU/USA bribes of lethal aide to continue or renew attacks….

            The west is now the evil son-of-a-bitch. Captured by the LGBTQ alphbet, abortion, get rid of fathers crowd that are being forced around the world to this new, new WORLD ORDER and russia with its christan, democratic and persistant rejection has made it a target of the new, west!

            Oh, the USA banned the pipeline from russia to germany before the invasion, to take away the only thing that gave Putin pause to invade and not continue to negotiate… So much for free trade!

            • xyzzyxyzzy on 01/03/2022 - 11:34
              +2

              @srhardy: Wow two upvotes! Tells a lot about the demography here…
              One last question, any chance still going to vote for scomo?

        • [Deactivated] on 01/03/2022 - 00:39
          +4

          Your understanding is wrong, if they targeted everything, everything would be flattened by now and there'd be no resistance with minimal Russian casualties.

        • [Deactivated] on 01/03/2022 - 00:56
          +1

          Don't forget the Russian civilians who would've been murdered under the Azov battalions continual shelling since 2014.

          Who are Azov for those that only understand one side of the story?

          https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/750/0*IGTkUbjf5WB9yGY5.j…
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion
          Often known as Azov Detachment, Azov Regiment or Azov Battalion (until September 2014), is a right-wing extremist[1] and neo-Nazi[2][3][4] unit of the National Guard of Ukraine

          • srhardy on 01/03/2022 - 10:37
            -1

            @[Deactivated]: Look up 'white russians' as Starlin called them, they have the slavic race tradionaly and in WW2 they copied with enthusasium the german murdering gypsys, jews, slav's ect…. With such fervor, Germany invaded to put them under control! Even presists would don the SS uniform and use the confesional list to target people to be murdered…

            Until 2014 they were a noisy minority and then the USA (CIA/US democrat pollys under Obama and Biden) got into business with them. Biden lost almost 10billion of US tax payers money in the Ukraine and is why his son and Brisma (energy and bank) were under investigation. Biden blackmailed the then US backed president into firing the prosecutor (and bragged about it) but his replacment had the same questions and continued the investigation…

            BTW the money was funnelled back from the Ukraine to the US/democratic party via SOROS controled NGOs (the tool of the CIA) and it was first used to try to win Hillary the presidency but failed (she really isnt liked) but they got thier act together with covid/voting from home, gave them the chance to game the electoral system on a scale never seen before in a long history of corrupt US elections!

            Bidens as president has been terrible for the world. Inflation from his money printing and spending is leaking invation to the world thanks to the petro-dollar and after the massive setback of the defeat in Afganistan, he like Trump, see the german<>russian gas pipline as competition the US cant now match due to bidens banning fraking and piplines in the USA. result was dirty pool over the Ukraine… Then leaving them to thier fate

            and ours, as Biden has brought us to the point they said trump would and thats WW3… well done USA

            • Techie4066 on 01/03/2022 - 17:35
              +3

              @srhardy: What in the name of conspiratorial delusions is this?

      • Fuzor on 01/03/2022 - 00:15
        +7

        Yeah I think its pretty obvious the Russians are primarily targeting military infrastructure. Otherwise with their size, this war wouldn't last even a week. Lets just hope that civilian collateral damage is kept to a minimum.

        • mrgeckoz on 01/03/2022 - 01:02
          +1

          Yes I do believe they were targeting military infrastructure, but the accuracy of their weapons just couldn’t do better…

          • Techie4066 on 01/03/2022 - 17:18
            +2

            @mrgeckoz: You give way too much credit to the Russian military. Rocket striking a Kharkiv apartment tower? Yeah whatever.

      • ashtrayc2c on 01/03/2022 - 00:16
        +2

        quite a lot of skepticism about whether or not this is true.
        would be evident which it is if calls are getting through though wouldnt it?

        • Jackson on 01/03/2022 - 00:43

          Mate Putin has sponsored Optus so that people in Australia can phone a friend and find out the truth of what's going on there

      • xyzzyxyzzy on 01/03/2022 - 01:44
        +1

        Analysis suggests that Putin didn't have a thorough plan other than taking Kiev by blitzkrieg, which explains the chaos like tanks running out of fuel, and the nuclear deterrence. Hard to believe imho but we'll see in the next couple of days

        • srhardy on 01/03/2022 - 10:50
          -2

          ignorance so here is an education…

          Russia has only committed 1/3 of its available forces. Of those are the professional special forces and conscripts (majority) and they were given rules 'dont use mobiles, or take photos. dont hurt infrastructure or the civilian population and where possible, take and treat ALL captured troops with care' and they have pretty much followed this. Now the conscripts outran the supply lines with enthasium as they were mostly uncontested and the ukrains who hid came out of hidding to decimate the supply lines as they are much easier pickings. Most of the tanks the russians deployed are the older ones too. The modern stuff is for the special forces as they take key targets.

          The ukrains have fought and often delayed by a day the onslaught, they will loose as Biden himself said they would. They have also handed out guns to the public to only be met with street skirmishes and mentally ill shooting up shelters and the like. This was depression and stupid, if your not trained, watching TV does not make you magiver!

          This is the CIA plan, let Russia take the Unraine and then arm the NAZIs (they are motivated and already trained by the USA) to murder and kill indiscrimatly to keep the Ukraine on the news and headlines… Russia knows this and has decided to kill all the nazi's…. To this end, the brigades from Cheyenne are offing 5k per dead-nazi (if they dont exist as the west says the cost will be $0)

          The USA did this in Vietnam, paying for the ears as proof of communists so every day they would cash in strung together ears and pay up after counting. When asked by a reporter, how did they know they were communist ears, the CIA propaganda Press agent, replied of course they were all commie, otherwise why would they be paying for them!??!

          I think its a mistake, as is the Ukranian response to the Muslium fighters by doing tiktok videos of them dipping bullets into pigs blood. They are Musliums, not vampires!

          • xyzzyxyzzy on 01/03/2022 - 11:30
            +2

            @srhardy: Was about to ask for source when scanning through the first two paragraphs of your little essay here but things keep getting funnier lol
            Yeah, Ukrainian = Azov Battalion/Nazi, Russian invasion = justice, while US is behind everything evil
            Maybe life's been a bit boring lately? But believe whatever you want mate, good on ya

          • matttttt on 01/03/2022 - 23:21

            @srhardy: Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

      • Sidor on 01/03/2022 - 08:00
        +4

        you may just need to stop watching Russian TV.

      • M00Cow on 01/03/2022 - 09:29
        +1

        Yes my understanding from one of the 1 billion Freeeeeeeeeedum! protesters in Canberra is that Russia hasn't even invaded! The fake news people have activated the Pfizer 5g which has altered the DNA of the masses into believing that it's happening. Put your tin-foil hats on people! Do your iwn research, preferably in r/conspiracy & 8chan

      • shabaka on 01/03/2022 - 15:49
        +1

        hmmm I have a lot to show you my friend

        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/28/ukraine-severa…

    • DonWilson on 01/03/2022 - 00:05
      +1

      Starlink requires proprietary hardware that each user needs to be shipped to Ukraine. And Starlink is already backlogged for orders so they don't have a huge warehouse ready to throw in a cargo ship. Elon said fairly recently Starlink would go under if they weren't bailed out too, which is my personal theory on why he sold those Tesla stocks: to fund Starlink/SpaceX/Boring which I think are all losing money hand over fist.

      Anyway. Starlink necessary proprietary hardware probably won't be on the ground for at least a couple of weeks and will probably come in very small numbers to start with since they're a failing company who can't even fill the orders for actual paying customers and just recently lost $50m of satellites anyway I'm sure it'll be fine Elon's a hero genius carry on.

      • tunzafun001 on 01/03/2022 - 00:48

        In the string that went past last night, satellite 3 in the string definitely went bang (big flash).

        This is exactly what they look like.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkhL0u5Yy5Y

      • netsurfer on 01/03/2022 - 02:23
        +4

        I don't think Starlink is about each user needs to have access. It's more about key places having Internet access. Also, bear in mind Internet access can be shared. It did help aid restore the internet in volcano-hit Tonga recently. Furthermore, clearly it is not about profit here. Give Elon some credit. His team got it going and it was Ukrainian vice prime minister asked Elon to turn it on.

        He sold some Tesla stocks because he has lots of them and it was known that he received more stocks last year then the ones he sold.

  • RolandWaites on 01/03/2022 - 00:01
    +2

    Hello, is your fridge running?

  • thekensai on 01/03/2022 - 00:11
    -8

    would be nice to sweeten the deal by banning calls/sms to russia

    • rever on 01/03/2022 - 00:17

      I read this and thought it was quite humourous

    • [Deactivated] on 01/03/2022 - 00:33
      +32

      Let's make it even sweeter by banning calls to the US. Oh wait, I forgot, they only spread democracy.. and btw, the Russians have NATO continually expanding on their door step, who promised they wouldn't expand. How would the US like it if China and Russia started building bases in Mexico?

      China 1945-46
      Korea 1950-53
      China 1950-53
      Guatemala 1954
      Indonesia 1958
      Cuba 1959-60
      Guatemala 1960
      Belgian Congo 1964
      Guatemala 1964
      Dominican Republic 1965-66
      Peru 1965
      Laos 1964-73
      Vietnam 1961-73
      Cambodia 1969-70
      Guatemala 1967-69
      Lebanon 1982-84
      Grenada 1983-84
      Libya 1986
      El Salvador 1981-92
      Nicaragua 1981-90
      Iran 1987-88
      Libya 1989
      Panama 1989-90
      Iraq 1991
      Kuwait 1991
      Somalia 1992-94
      Bosnia 1995
      Iran 1998
      Sudan 1998
      Afghanistan 1998
      Yugoslavia – Serbia 1999
      Afghanistan 2001
      Libya 2011
      Iraq and Syria 2014 –
      Somalia 2011 –
      Iran 2020 –

      • tunzafun001 on 01/03/2022 - 00:52
        +3

        Gaza?

        • [Deactivated] on 01/03/2022 - 00:53
          +4

          I'm sure there's tons missing from the list.

      • Techie4066 on 01/03/2022 - 02:03
        -1

        and btw, the Russians have NATO continually expanding on their door step, who promised they wouldn't expand. How would the US like it if China and Russia started building bases in Mexico?

        Why is this seen as a valid argument.

        Yes, it's correct if you don't consider the morality of Putin controlling Russia's geopolitics (and therefore the outcomes of resulting hostilities tied to his Soviet conquest motives etc) while he is simultaneously a completely deranged unhinged psychotic bloodthirsty evil autocratic 1984-esque dictator running a blatant kleptocracy. And a side note - the only beneficiaries are his foreign bank account balances and his 100 billionaire cronies.

        You're hearing this from a soc-dem.

        • [Deactivated] on 01/03/2022 - 03:23
          +2

          holy buzzword batman

          • [Deactivated] on 01/03/2022 - 07:51
            +4

            @[Deactivated]: Wholly brainwashed by the lying media more like it.

            • Techie4066 on 01/03/2022 - 11:27
              +1

              @[Deactivated]: In what way are they lying about Putin's characteristics or actions? Debunk it all for me. Humour me.

              It goes without saying, Ukrainian officials aren't the MSM.

              • [Deactivated] on 01/03/2022 - 12:04
                +2

                @Techie4066: Well if folks don't have the inclination to do a little study of their own, I certainly don't have the time to do it for them. Having said that, my suggestion for those inclined to do so, is to wait til it's over, take note how Putin doesn't "take over" the Ukraine (which he certainly could and would if this were a real "war" and anything the lying media says were accurate - otherwise why bother "invading")… then work backwards from there to discover why not.

                Alternatively, for a couple of immediate clues of where to begin, look into why the everyday Ukrainian people are cheering on and welcoming the Russians, and who the ones are who aren't. I don't watch TV news apart from the occasional youtube clip because it's mental poison. But I just bet our media is censoring the former and only showing the latter while hiding their disgusting behaviour/beliefs - thus giving the impression they represent all Ukrainian people (instead of actually being the diseased rot that needs to be cleaned out to free them).

                Oh and the other side is western provocation over past months together with providing (real) racists with arms and other support to hold onto power over the Ukrainian people, to prolong conflict, which the west then also uses as an excuse to sanction, interfere, possibly even join in the fight, etc as self-appointed "saviours" when the opposite is true.

                • Techie4066 on 01/03/2022 - 17:07
                  +1

                  @[Deactivated]: I'm ok with the bulk of your response, disregarding the fact the fascists you have hyperbolised are a very tiny minority, and you could work backwards from the EU/NATO/democratic leanings of former USSR countries, but:-

                  Alternatively, for a couple of immediate clues of where to begin, look into why the everyday Ukrainian people are cheering on and welcoming the Russians

                  Is this just hearsay?

                  • [Deactivated] on 02/03/2022 - 04:01

                    @Techie4066: Well most people stay clear to avoid any battle of course, but I've seen videos of citizens (from sources other than farsebook and youtube) welcoming Russian forces as they pass through but of course this is when their "own" "military" is not around - though I'm more going from people who have emigrated or have relatives there.

          • Techie4066 on 01/03/2022 - 11:25

            @[Deactivated]: lol but still not strong enough a depiction. KGB killer turned failed death-wishing country conquerer.

        • Spets on 01/03/2022 - 08:09
          +1

          Tell me you believe MSM 100% without saying you believe MSM 100%

          • Techie4066 on 01/03/2022 - 11:25
            +2

            @Spets: Rubbish. Open your eyes and listen to Ukraine. Read about Stalin, Lenin, Gorbachev and Putin's sentiments about the USSR collapse, Putin's crackdowns on dissent and offensive in Georgia. No MSM interpretation needed, that's plain lazy. You people are irrationally sceptical and clueless.

            • Spets on 01/03/2022 - 12:50
              +2

              @Techie4066: It's never black and white. The attacking side is never 100% the bad guy. That would make USA/ Australia implicated in so many Western wars as the bad guys….
              Does that make Putin a good guy? Hell no. Innocent civilians are suffering, but if you don't see his reasons for this you're just covered up by emotional clouds. NATO is coming to his porch. NATOs sole purpose for existence is to counter Russia. All they had to do was not expand further east.

              • Techie4066 on 01/03/2022 - 13:05
                +2

                @Spets: I totally understand how disgusting the wars the West have waged are.

                But two wrongs don't make a right. We should treat Putin like a serious version of Kim Jong Un. His reasoning is totally unjustifiable from the Russian perspective. Even without NATO (imperialism?) reaching further - which FYI the Eastern Bloc countries have supported because… democracy and Russia don't mix - Russia has always been in the wrong under tyrannical Putin. And Belarus is their only Eastern European backer for a damn good reason.

      • RolandWaites on 01/03/2022 - 09:40
        +2

        To the best of my knowledge the claim that NATO wasn't going to expand is a myth rejected by former Soviet leader(s), and deliberately shared by Putin to justify his aggressive acts.

      • Ethan Bargain-Hunt on 01/03/2022 - 09:59
        +5

        A truth that many choose to ignore. I figured I'd expand on your mention of NATO being involved in the Jugoslavian war where they practically supplied arms to those who did the killing and essentially removed an embargo of protection they had for the likes of Srebrenica (basically saying "oh yeah, you can now head in for this period, rape and kill and bunch of people, and then we'll intervene").

        All NATO do is light the fire and then let others go at it while taking the back seat and observing from a distance before eventually intervening. Putin is not an idiot to go to war for no reason, with what you've pointed out being an overlooked truth that Western media won't point out (or will do their best to ignore).

        The Balkans will also no doubt be in another war soon, with tensions boiling, random immigrants being dumped into Bosnia (no women and children mind you, just young men from war torn nations), and NATO already giving arms to Bosnia and giving them the upper hand this time around before intervening, easing tensions, and then doing it all again in 30 years.

        My dad was in concentration camps during the Jugo war, and the shit he saw vs the coverage being displayed are resoundingly different.

        • BigBirdy on 01/03/2022 - 12:37

          So the massacre in Srebrenica was NATOs fault for not preventing it, not the fault of the Bosnian Serbs who actually carried it out?

          • Ethan Bargain-Hunt on 01/03/2022 - 12:44
            +1

            @BigBirdy: They were both in cahoots — one pulling the strings the other pulling the trigger.

            And the same thing will happen in the region again (I hope I'm wrong).

            • BigBirdy on 01/03/2022 - 13:22

              @Ethan Bargain-Hunt: You're completely wrong about Bosnia back then, but there's always more chances to be wrong. And Bosnia may well flare-up again

              • Ethan Bargain-Hunt on 01/03/2022 - 14:01
                +3

                @BigBirdy: Yeah I'm completely wrong when I have family and friends from the region who lived through it and saw through the bullshit being portrayed on TV, lived through concentration camps, and were fed the same lies that are being fed to the region today.

                I bet you didn't know serb forces took Croatian civilians and dressed them up in army uniforms before taking photos showing them oppressing serb forces and plastering it on TV for propaganda purposes in the region.

                NATO screwed Bosnia up and are doing the same today with Ukraine whose civilians I feel sorry for because they're going through the same thing Bosnian civilians were going through in the 90s.

                Edit: oh the irony here: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1022206941670292…

                • Techie4066 on 01/03/2022 - 17:45
                  +1

                  @Ethan Bargain-Hunt: That is one powerful video.

                  • Ethan Bargain-Hunt on 01/03/2022 - 18:08
                    +1

                    @Techie4066: It's the sad reality people choose to ignore. The irony in it all is that everything Biden said back then was right, yet what's happening today is the pretty much the exact same thing that happened then, but under his banner. Sad world we live in, but history repeats itself as they say right?

          • [Deactivated] on 01/03/2022 - 13:23
            +1

            @BigBirdy: I have Bosnian friends who were victims of Srebrenica, and yes they blame NATO for basically giving the Serbs a green light.

            • BigBirdy on 01/03/2022 - 13:35
              +1

              @[Deactivated]: And yet you're on here pushing Russian propaganda that it's Ukraine's fault that Russia is invading them, and that it was somehow NATO's fault that Bosnian Serbs massacred Bosnian Muslims. The killers are the killers, the invaders are the invaders, and USA/NATO are not the world police (even if sometimes they try to be). That Russia also backed the Bosnian Serbs probably indicates where you're coming from.

              • [Deactivated] on 01/03/2022 - 13:37
                +2

                @BigBirdy: Eh. I didn't say Srebrenica is NATO's fault. Serbs definitely did it, primarily their fault, and NATO turned a blind eye letting it happen. Simple really.

                • BigBirdy on 01/03/2022 - 13:44
                  +2

                  @[Deactivated]: This thread is about blaming NATO.
                  And NATO didn't turn a blind eye, the small force that was in Srebrenica at the time was vastly outnumbered and outgunned. They weren't a suicide mission

                  • [Deactivated] on 01/03/2022 - 13:45

                    @BigBirdy: I'm pretty sure they had radio and the technology to call in air support or troops if they'd like. Or maybe the guys just lost all their radios?

                  • Ethan Bargain-Hunt on 01/03/2022 - 14:03
                    +1

                    @BigBirdy: Now that is ignorance mate. An embargo was added by NATO to prevent arms from going to the Bosnians of the likes of Srebrenica, allowing serb forces to do as they pleased to srebrenica. The embargo was then lifted to allow Bosnians to defend themselves where they were finally given weapons. But I bet you only heard the side of the story from the West?

      • and on 01/03/2022 - 13:26

        You may as well mention the Caribbean crisis - when the US was so pissed off with Russia shipping their missiles to Cuba. It almost cost us the Nuclear war.

        • [Deactivated] on 01/03/2022 - 13:29

          You forgot to mention the USSR did that in response to the US first placing nukes in Turkey.

          • BigBirdy on 01/03/2022 - 13:42

            @[Deactivated]: You forgot to mention that Russia has been a threat to Europe (East & West) for most of the past century, so those frontier states were always defensive lines against Russian aggression. That the lines have moved further east is because old Soviet Block nations having willingly aligned themselves with a progressive West rather than stick with the regressive East. This has never been the case for Cuba. By the way, what drives you to be such a Russian shill?

            • [Deactivated] on 01/03/2022 - 13:43
              +1

              @BigBirdy: What drives you to be such a NATO shill? What drives you to support the team that's commited the below? Do you support the destabilisation of countries and murder of millions?

              China 1945-46
              Korea 1950-53
              China 1950-53
              Guatemala 1954
              Indonesia 1958
              Cuba 1959-60
              Guatemala 1960
              Belgian Congo 1964
              Guatemala 1964
              Dominican Republic 1965-66
              Peru 1965
              Laos 1964-73
              Vietnam 1961-73
              Cambodia 1969-70
              Guatemala 1967-69
              Lebanon 1982-84
              Grenada 1983-84
              Libya 1986
              El Salvador 1981-92
              Nicaragua 1981-90
              Iran 1987-88
              Libya 1989
              Panama 1989-90
              Iraq 1991
              Kuwait 1991
              Somalia 1992-94
              Bosnia 1995
              Iran 1998
              Sudan 1998
              Afghanistan 1998
              Yugoslavia – Serbia 1999
              Afghanistan 2001
              Libya 2011
              Iraq and Syria 2014 –
              Somalia 2011 –
              Iran 2020 –

              • BigBirdy on 01/03/2022 - 13:46
                -3

                @[Deactivated]: You just keep throwing this rubbish everywhere. Did you source it from Russia Today by chance? Our discussion was about the former Yugoslavia, which is on your list. That was Bosnian Serbs, backed by Serbia and Russia

                • [Deactivated] on 01/03/2022 - 13:46
                  +4

                  @BigBirdy: You didn't answer my question.

                  What drives you to support the team that's commited the above? Do you support the destabilisation of countries and murder of millions?

                • [Deactivated] on 01/03/2022 - 13:47
                  +3

                  @BigBirdy: What Rubbish, do you think those invasions never happened? Lol

                  • BigBirdy on 01/03/2022 - 14:35

                    @[Deactivated]: Enough of your "look over there" bs, because most of it is bs. NATO did not cause Yugoslavia to implode, and it was Russia that encouraged it. UN did little due to Russian veto, but you blame NATO for not being a better police service? How about blame Russia?

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