My New PC Build - Compatibility Warning from PCPartPicker

[Deactivated] on 19/01/2022 - 13:54
Last edited 20/01/2022 - 07:24

I want to build a new desktop PC to be used for running MS Office and doing some video editing. After some research it seems I don't need a GPU if my CPU is an AMD Ryzen 5 5600G which has integrated graphics. My case will be a Cooler Master NR200P Mini-ITX case. So now I need a compatible motherboard, RAM, PSU and storage.

I want to use a X570 motherboard with the 5600G but I get a warning about BIOS may not be compatible with the CPU:
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/rKvwt8

QUESTIONS:
1. there's also a warning saying my CPU cooler may not fit the NR200P. Do I even need a CPU cooler?
2. is a 750W PSU overkill for this setup?
3. is anyone familiar with the NR200P and can advise what motherboard (with WiFi) to use in this case with the 5600G.
4. what is the best way to order these parts and have them assembled? I only have the case at this stage. Thanks

I want to order the parts but don't want to screw up and find they won't be compatibile or I have issues because of the case size.

I'm not into gaming but would like to have the option in future of adding a GPU if I feel the need later. I'm happy with 16GB of Ram (I read 32GB isn't necessary for video editing)

I got the motherboard from here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wmsTYK9Z3-jUX5LGRoFn…

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Comments

  • Hugh G Rection on 19/01/2022 - 14:10
    -3

    it's easy to assemble, just do it yourself.

  • WT on 19/01/2022 - 14:17
    +1

    check out optimum tech on youtube im sure he has several builds in this case.

    corsair 450 sfx should handle up to a medium tier build the 600 will do 99% of builds and the 750 should take more then what your case can vent

    thats 120mm rad wont take much of an overclock on the cpu if thats your plan

  • scrimshaw on 19/01/2022 - 14:17
    +4

    You have chosen a ASRock B450 ($210) chipset in that build. That's why you're seeing an error.

    Maybe you were looking for the ASRock B550M-ITX/ac instead, it's priced similarly / lower at $199, includes WiFi AC and Bluetooth 4.2 combo.

    • [Deactivated] on 19/01/2022 - 15:51

      Thanks, will the B550M mobo for $199 you linked to fit in the NR200P case and work with a 5600g CPU?

      • Caped Baldy on 19/01/2022 - 16:03
        +1

        The one linked will work but the name is weird imo.

        The m in B550M normally stands for mATX which is too big. Normally it's no letter at the end for ATX, m for mATX and i for mini ATX.

        It's all compatible with the PSU, CPU, mobo and RAM. Try putting in pcpp again.

        • [Deactivated] on 19/01/2022 - 16:12

          Thanks but I'm still getting a warning about the BIOS with the ASRock B550M-ITX/ac together with a 5600g CPU. Please see updated build:
          https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/9pfYPV

          • Caped Baldy on 19/01/2022 - 16:17
            +2

            @[Deactivated]: Yeah, I had a problem with my Asrock B550m and 5600x. The mobo came out before the CPU as the older generation worked on it and required an update of the BIOS to support the 5xxx series. I suspect it's a similar issue.

            I paid scorptec $30 to update. The mobo might support the new BIOS already. You will need to check with the store if it is up to date or they can do it for you. Alternatively get a mobo that is already compatible or has USB flashing.

  • AdosHouse on 19/01/2022 - 14:23
    +1

    That motherboard will work with that CPU as long as the motherboard has BIOS P4.40

    I'd ditch that cheap AIO cooled for something air cooled, like a Be Quiet Dark Rock or something. Also you will need some quality case fans.

    You could save some money on the motherboard with something like https://www.umart.com.au/product/asus-b550m-e-wifi-tuf-gamin… , ASUS make good boards.

    For video editing you want more RAM, so 32GB is where I'd go.

    I'd spend a little more and get a better brand NVME SSD, like a 970 evo. Also you will likely need a bulk storage drive.

    • forged on 19/01/2022 - 14:31
      +1

      Agreed on the case fans.
      Btw, that motherboard you linked is mATX, not ITX, and probably won't fit in the NR200P.

      • AdosHouse on 19/01/2022 - 14:58

        Ah so it is, OP disregard.

        I've never been a fan of SFF builds. I like big cases with big air cooling.

        • forged on 19/01/2022 - 16:40

          You'd be surprised how quiet and cool a well laid out SFF build can be!
          I've got a 3700X and RTX3080 crammed into this thing and it's just as quiet as my old full tower was.
          I also had a 2700X/1080Ti build in a much tinier Dan Case A4, and admittedly, that got a bit warm.

          • AdosHouse on 19/01/2022 - 20:06

            @forged: RTX3080 is a nice cool card.

            I rand an R9 Fury for years, and that GPU seconds as a room heater. That with QLD summer, and I needed to move a lot of air to keep the case quiet and cool.

            But I'm not doubting you, I know its possible.

            • forged on 20/01/2022 - 00:35

              @AdosHouse: Stock TDP for the Fury was 275W, stock for the 3080 is 320(!)W. I wouldn't be surprised if an overclocked Fury X could fly past the 3080's power draw though.
              This PC is definitely also a bit of a space heater when gaming, lol.
              Supposedly the next gen flagship GPUs will go even higher on power consumption. I'm scared.

              • AdosHouse on 20/01/2022 - 02:43

                @forged: The R9 Fury range was just known to be notoriously hot, with heavy draw. This is 7 years ago now, when it came out. The RTX line didn't even exist yet. The main Nvidia cards were the 980 and 780, and the flagship Titans. The Fury was 50% slower, but drew more power than the Titan X, crazy times.

                Thankfully cards are way more efficient now.

  • Twix on 19/01/2022 - 14:28
    +1

    The onboard GPU is ok for light video editing. Purchase a GPU and more RAM if you are doing heavy video editing.

    1. You can get away with the stock AMD CPU cooler.
    2. 750W is overkill for a Office PC and 450W-500W is more adequate. If you want to game down the track keep the 750W PSU.
  • forged on 19/01/2022 - 14:28
    +1

    Hey, I've got an NR200P build! It's a brilliant case.

    • Yes, the 750W PSU is overkill - I'm running 3700X CPU + RTX 3080 GPU on one with no problems. Unless you want to add a top-of-the-line GPU down the track, the SF450 Platinum would be a great choice. (I previously ran a 2700X and GTX 1080Ti on an SF450 Platinum with no issues.)
    • 120mm AIOs are generally a bad choice, in my opinion. They don't provide any more radiator surface area than an air cooler, while costing more and having a more limited lifespan. If you want the PC to be really quiet, get a 280mm AIO cooler. Side mount the radiator and don't use the tempered glass side panel. If you want something slightly more reliable, go for an air cooler. I believe the Scythe Mugen 5 is a perfect fit in this case.
    • The B450 motherboard you've picked should be okay - it's compatible with the 5600G with a firmware update. If you get one that's been manufactured recently, it should be compatible out of the box, but if you get unlucky and end up with old stock, you'll have to update the firmware using an older Ryzen CPU. If you buy the motherboard and the CPU from the same computer store, they may update the BIOS for you if you ask nicely.

    I've been using a slightly nicer Strix B550 motherboard, which I'm very happy with, but it costs a fair bit more. Maybe someone else can chime in about motherboard choices.

    Order the parts from wherever is cheapest (don't forget to account for postage though).
    As for building the PC, it's really not that hard to do yourself as long as you can turn a screwdriver - it's a good way to learn something whilst saving some money. If you really don't want to do it yourself, you can probably find a local brick-and-mortar computer store who will do it for a fee.

    • [Deactivated] on 19/01/2022 - 15:56

      Thanks for the great info, I appreciate your reply. I ditched the CPU cooler after someone commented the stock AMD CPU cooler should do the job. I've changed the motherboard, can you please check if the one I chose will fit in the NR200P case and work with the 5600g. I'm still getting a warning about the BIOS but can't find a motherboard which has no warning.
      https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/9pfYPV

      • forged on 19/01/2022 - 16:37

        Looks fine to me. Just note the uh, limited selection of I/O ports, and the lower end audio codec on that board. Might mean you need to add a USB hub and a USB audio interface, depending on your needs.
        edit - just saw the SF450 Gold. Note that the Platinum can handle a bit more load. If you want to add a decent GPU later, I'd probably spring for the 450 platinum, or the 600 gold.

        • [Deactivated] on 19/01/2022 - 16:43

          Hi mate if you have the time, I would really appreciate it if you can link me the best mobo for this case and a 5600g CPU. My budget is open and I'm happy to pay extra for something with lots of ports including USB-C and good audio interface/codec

          • forged on 19/01/2022 - 17:03
            +1

            @[Deactivated]: Any of the more premium boards (tier "II" on the comparison spreadsheet) will have a good audio codec. Go for B550 chipset; the extra features that X570 offers can't be crammed onto these tiny boards anyway.

            I think these are all around ~$300. Asus Strix B550-I, Gigabyte B550I Aorus Pro, Asrock B550 Phantom Gaming are all good options. I went for the Asus because I was happy with my previous Asus board, but I recommend you have a look at which ports are offered by each and pick which you prefer.

            • [Deactivated] on 20/01/2022 - 07:00

              @forged: Thanks, quick question - are B550 chipset mobo's generally 'better' than X570 mobo's?
              I just figured out how to update OP to show my new build with your recommendations:
              https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/rKvwt8

            • [Deactivated] on 20/01/2022 - 12:23

              @forged: I found this nice summary: When picking the best Ryzen 5 5600G motherboard, you have two main options. You can either go with the X570 chipset or the B550 chipset. The X570 is the top-of-the-line variant that comes with PCIe Gen4 chipset uplink and general-purpose lanes. The B550 motherboard is more consumer-oriented and supposedly budget-friendly. Both chipsets feature PCIe Gen4 for the graphics card and storage. Both chipsets also feature USB 3.1 Gen2, support overclocking, and dual graphics cards. Talking about the general design, the X570 motherboards come with a chipset fan while the B550 motherboards do not.

              • scrimshaw on 20/01/2022 - 13:15
                +2

                @[Deactivated]: This reddit post explains the difference
                https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/hq8l64/can_someone_exp…

                X570 chipset diagram
                https://www.pugetsystems.com/pic_disp.php?id=65216

                B550 chipset diagram
                https://www.pugetsystems.com/pic_disp.php?id=65214

                The only practical difference is that X570 has more flexible PCIE lanes than B550. Like what forged said though, when you are buying a Mini ITX form factor motherboard the differences between the 2 chipsets are diminished because the small physical size of the board means you're already losing out on connectivity anyway. You'll also notice that B550 boards tend to have a couple of USB 2.0 ports on the back due to the chipset's limitation (less pcie lanes) while x570 will give you loads of USB 3.2 ports.

                But more importantly — just read the motherboard spec sheet and decide whether or not it's available ports, connectivity and features apply to your use case.

                • [Deactivated] on 20/01/2022 - 13:49

                  @scrimshaw: Thank you, that's very helpful

  • bazingaa on 19/01/2022 - 20:10
    +1

    Just my idea, better to get even a good/cheap air cooler instead of 120 mm AIO, but make sure whether it can fit inside the case.
    You can flash BIOS in some motherboards without a CPU (ex: most Gigabyte, MSI etc)
    A 750 W PSU is more than enough, I use a 450 W SFX PSU (got for $96 back then) with 5600x + RTX3060
    I would also get 2*16 GB low cost RAM to be kinda future proof, as your motherboard only got 2 slots, so if you need to upgrade later it would be a total swap.

    some video editing.

    some software like Davinci Resolve works better with a nVidia GPU, make sure to check requirements of your preferred video editing software.
    Also, NVENC, NVDEC is much better.

    Crucial P1

    Try to get a better SSD at least like KC2500 etc with high endurance, Anyway 5600G doesn't support PCIe 4.0

    If you don't really need a small form factor, better to go for an ATX case + PSU and use saved money from going SFX -> ATX for a proper GPU, specially for video editing etc.
    Usually, nVidia is required for anything other than gaming.

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