Hey guys
Looking at these Front Loader Washing Machines
Miele 7kg WCA 020
Miele 8kg WCD 660 TwinDos
Bosch 8kg Front Load WAW28460AU
Are all these three made in Germany?
New Washing Machine - Miele or Bosch
Twisty on 05/01/2022 - 18:32
Last edited 08/01/2022 - 15:22 by 1 other user
Last edited 08/01/2022 - 15:22 by 1 other user
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I just read that some Entry level Meile are not made in Germany along with some BoschThis Bosch tho is Serie 8 so it isn’t a entry level model but the Meile ones are I guess
Get the Bosch, quality without the Miele excess.
Also able to seek out discounts/deals unlike the Miele agency model
We have a Miele washer and also Miele dryer, both of which are 15 years old and have not missed a beat. Both do around 4-5 loads a week
But are these new Miele models as good as the old ones?
How do expect me to know??
I don’t just putting it out there in case you might or someone has read
10 years in for me, still good
mother in law 3 years in and fine
they had an old one for over 20 years, they got a new one but found out the old one still works lolI also have a Miele that is 15 years old and excellent. A Miele repair person came around about 6 months ago and told us that we had a great model and that the newer ones weren't as good. This is their anecdotal feedback only, but their opinion will make me think twice before investing in Miele again.
Yer this is a little of concern
Both do around 4-5 loads a week
Can relate
How many kg your loads?
I never bought the quality argument for German appliances.
You can almost certainly replace the appliances 2-3 times over for what a German appliance costs. A new Chinese/Korean appliance will probably perform better than a 10 year old German appliance.
If you think German appliances are bullet proof, just google some of the horror stories. You can luck out with German brands too.
OP should be looking at Samsung/LG/Hairer (Fisher and Paykel) washers with a direct drive motor. Get the job done for around $600 and should last 10+ years.
My Bosch fridge has died at 8 years so don't assume it will last just because of the brand.
However, I still like the brand and have a newer dishwasher going well.I have the Bosch 28460AU washing machine and it’s been awesome. Washes well and hasn’t missed a beat.
However I also have a Bosch oven and cooktop that have been very disappointing. Also a Bosch alarm system which the tech that installed it hated.
Bosch is a massive company, so it’s incorrect to assume that a good experience with one of their product lines means the same will be true for their other products as well.
Miele is best overall if you have the budget. A made in germany Bosch is second imo (they sell made in china bosch's too, just ask the sales rep/research).
I agree with stuff above - you could probs find 90% of the quality for 40% of the price! I think bosch and Miele are good for washers/dryers, and not nececssarily for all appliances. reminds me of Samsung being great for TVs, but horrible for fridges.. haha
i have an LG washer and dryer and they're great.Anyone have the Miele@Home on the washing machine? Some sort of wifi connection that allows you to control via phone?
I am shopping too for washer and dryer, have ruled out Bosch as their dryers dont do reverse spinning. Was considering Miele but think we prefer the high end LG's for larger capacity, cheaper and more features, had many LG appliances and always been solid
Consider Beko!
Over the years i've gone from Samsung, to Fisher, to Bosch, Asko and now into Beko.
For the money, I personally feel the Beko far out weighs even Bosch and Asko. I've not go to Miele for a washer, however, did consider many times. Almost picked one up instead of the Beko, instead JB had an EOL model for crazy cheap money and I handed over the credit card.Had one service call out and the agent was terrific. Otherwise no issues whatsoever. We now have 3 or 4 in the family and everyone seems to be super happy!
Electrolux is good too, but have had 3 of those in the family and all had solenoid problems. Cheap and easy fix if you know what you are doing, but, simply should have happened.
I'll be likely to go with another Beko if/once the current packs up, which I hope and dont think will be any time soon! :)
Worth considering IMO.
I don't know where you are from but worth checking out the factory outlets for Miele. I went to the one in Victoria and there were a bunch of high end washers going for incredible prices. They could either be from display showrooms, old models or damaged packaging.
I have a Credit through Harvey Norman so I Weill have to purchase through there and now found out I can’t purchase a Miele as I can’t use my HN Credit for it?
Apparently HN have the Miele washing machine in store and I was looking at it, but when I buy it my HN credit can’t be used as the sale is purchased through Miele themselves.
Yep, agency model.
You always buy direct via Miele, on Miele paperwork…who then send the retailer a nice big thankyou cheque for their commissionYer I didn’t realise that until know. So I guess I’m sticking to the Bosch
Miele 7kg WCA 020 is NOT made in Germany. It is made in Poland. All other Miele washing machines sold in Australia are made in Germany.
Miele offer extra 3 or even 8 years extended warranty. So their machines come with 2 years and you can buy extra warranty, which brings it to either 5 or 10 years.
Also comparing Bosch and Miele is kinda pointless. If you ever take apart both machines you’ll see the difference - Bosch uses plastic outer suds drum, while most Miele use stainless steel outer and inner drums. Bosch washing machines have only 2 suspension struts while Miele has 3 (plus the quality of those is much better). Bosch uses 2 springs to hold the drum, while Miele has 4. Miele uses stainless steel spider on their drums. Plus, no matter which brand, most people use too much detergent /fabric softener, wash using cold water only and don’t run regular machine cleaning cycles - all of which is a recipe for an early breakdown of ANY (maybe except for commercial) mashing machine and then they blame the makers :) People are funny and have for the most part no idea what they are talking about. And if you think Bosch is not racing to the bottom in chasing the profit just like most brands out there, then you are living on another planet :)
P.S. I do not work for any of the retailers or makers, so no skin the game :)I am doing research for my son and his wife. Both bought a villa unit. Tiny laundry though.
The Polish Meile is the bottom line model. It has the same suds drum, motor, electronics and enamelled front. I am unsure if the casing around the suds drum is the same as the German assembled ones. It is very price competitive though. I am unsure if it also has caste iron ballast - it may not have. It has many useful functions though and has the same optional 5 or 10 year warranties available.
IMO Miele makes its money from its top models. It would not cost Miele anything extra to add its electronic functions to many of its lower end machines. For instance the multitude of washing capabilities in the top level machines are just operational modes. But you pay a lot more for those. For instance, the "power wash" is a faster cycle time - but it's not available on all models. Yet it's just a software mode. Steam, auto detergent and spin cycle are differences. But now, only the top model seems to spin at 1600. Our higher range washer spins up to 1600. all but today's top model, seem to spin at 1400. Including the base Polish assembled model.
Our machine has an anti-wrinkle pre ironing mode. That was a feature for me - it would wash 1kg of business shirts, or about 6 I recall - and then into the dryer on shirt mode, and they would not need ironing if they were a low iron shirt. And the linen casual shirts using that mode, were very easy to iron. But my wife never uses that mode. I did, but now, I rarely wear a business style shirt, I rarely wear shirts anyway now.
The tempting thing about Bosch is that you can buy a German made machine, and get more features. But they are not as well built as Miele. I won both. Bought at the same time. The Bosch dryer has been a pain. It now leaks. It's not nearly as long life built as the Mieles. I bought them all in 2017 . The washing machine is also annoying - it goes into child mode accidentally. Then it's tough to unlock the darn thing. Sounds silly but even the sales people know about how that is common complaint. Nonetheless if you absolutely need all the features, then buy a German made Bosch. But now ai notice that Bosch no longer have a real easy iron machine. Their easy iron for shirts, is for the machine to stop spinning, and you pull the shirts out dripping wet. This is what their manual says, for their top series 8 machine:
Quote:
"Wash non-iron shirts and blouses made from cotton, linen, or synthetic or blended fabrics.
Tip: In order to avoid creasing in your laundry, you
can activate Easy Iron. The laundry is only given
a short spin and can be removed while still dripping wet. Hang out shirts and blouses while they are still dripping wet so that they drip dry. "
End Quote.The Miele injects some water on the drum at the end of the shirt cycle pre-ironing cycle, which causes steam to form, and it tumbles the shirts around for extra time. It should continue to do so back and forth until you remove them, the buzzer drives most normal people crazy I assume.
I think the get the shirt cycle costs a lot more in the Miele. These days, many people don't need that. If you really need such a feature, then still, will it be worth it? If both partners work, and the female does most of the washing and ironing - yes it would be worth it!!!
The Miele is outstanding in its longevity.
But the best is the SpeedQueen.
Yes, all 3 are made in Germany.