Making a Universal Type 1 (J1772) EVSE Adapter - Mitsubishi Outlander

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  rooster on 18/11/2021 - 16:16

  +1

  firestarter !

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    tunzafun001 on 18/11/2021 - 16:22

    Well I guess that's how they justify the cost $$. All just pins and wires at the end of the day (just make sure you use the right stuff for the application).

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  apsilon on 18/11/2021 - 16:44

  I always assumed the charging stations output AC which would make what you're proposing illegal without the right licence. So they output DC? Thought the conversion was inboard the vehicle.

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    Euphemistic on 18/11/2021 - 19:42

    Even if it’s DC might be limited to 120v without a licence.

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    tunzafun001 on 18/11/2021 - 22:21

    Most are simply AC output (hence I simply want to make a chord with a standard 240v 15A plug). Then I can plug my own type of 240v home charger into that.

    The newer plugs have DC fast charging, and the DC pins are very obvious (much bigger for high current ~ 50kw @ 480 volts). At any rate, my car doesnt have any DC charging ability and the plug adapters I'm looking to use are all AC.

    Good point re legality. But you can buy pre-made adapters from Aussie retailers..Made me rethink the design though to be safer than the shelf models. That being said, if some numbnuts tries to steal it and breaks it, and something happens, I'm probably liable.hmmm

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  yippy on 18/11/2021 - 17:18

  +3

  I can see a future thread titled. I blew up my Mitsubishi Outlander.

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    tunzafun001 on 18/11/2021 - 22:35

    Not much to them, pin outs are published and the charge side is fused/ protected.

    Would be so much easier if there was an agreed standard. There are 20 vacant chargers at my work… cant use any of them. Annoys me knowing at the root they are all the same AC output.

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  chuq on 19/11/2021 - 09:15

  First… you talk about Type1/Type2/Tesla chargers at the start, but then you talk about something with a standard 240V power plug at one end? I think you're talking about two different things.

  The majority of new public AC chargers are Type 2 socket only (not cable). I don't think that many J1772 ones are being swapped (although it's entirely reasonable that they should be swapped with Type 2 sockets when they need replacement).

  Think about the outlets in your house, you don't have fixed cables coming out of all of them do you? A kettle cord here, a figure-8 cable there, USB-C somewhere else.. you just have a bunch of standard sockets, so that you can plug in whatever you need. Your appliances come with a cable that goes from the standard power outlet to whatever the particular appliance needs. Same with AC chargers - by the charging station just having a socket, you provide whatever cable you need to go from socket to car, and keep it with the car.

  Just get a Type1-Type2 cable for your Outlander, problem solved.

  Now onto the 240V discussion - you may have noticed that EVSEs are more than just a power plug at one end and an EV plug at the other end. There's that box in the middle that handles communication… that's pretty important… don't try and bypass it for everyone's sake.

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    tunzafun001 on 19/11/2021 - 10:23

    I'm now in SA and they have removed the type 1 chargers for cabled type 2's, plus added a few Tesla destination chargers. Ironically, the only users are Mitsi, BMW and Volvo's (all using adapters).

    As for bypassing, or using my charger in between. It shouldn't matter for non Tesla chargers. Type 2 and Type 1 have the same handshake protocols and output AC. For a Tesla charger you will definitely need to use your own EVSE (and be aware there are both single phase and 3 phase variants).

    I can buy a Type 2 to Type 1 cable for $200, and a Tesla to Type 1 for $300. Alternatively print the plugs with a 3D printer and I have heaps of 6mm cable. So $15 all up. So it's the Ozbargainer in me that doesn't want to spend $500 for $15 worth of stuff.