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Breville BES870BSS The Barista Express Stainless Steel $594.15 + Delivery (Free C&C) @ The Good Guys eBay
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sd4399340 on 09/10/2021 - 22:48 ebay.com.au (2811 clicks)
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I'm seeing more than 10 available.
To be honest if you're going to be paying this much, just go the dual boiler (BES920). You won't regret it. Sure, you need a separate grinder but the results are worth it.
I've had my eye on this and have seen people mention the dual boiler model.
What's the difference?
This will be my first coffee machine. Can I simply pour beans into this and make coffee (with the frother on the side)?
get this you will like it
well this is a manual machine; you can't just put beans in, press the button and a shot comes out. yes it has an integrated grinder, but see the black thing on the upper LHS in the photo - thats the tamper (magnetic home for it). so you still have to grind into the portafilter, tamp, and put into the group head then press the button to draw a shot. yes, thats the milk wand on the rhs.
Dual boilers are good, but for a first machine I recommend this or the Breville barista pro, the barista pro has a faster heat up time and more grind steps to achieve a more consistent shot of coffee (if you’re pedantic like I am) as well as a digital display.
I’m a barista and have found the barista pro to be the best at home machine for me.
I understand the dual boiler (BES920) is a nice to have but with the grinder it's roughly double the price so wouldn't say it's worth it for everyone.
yeah, i guess that's true. but my theory is you won't want to upgrade in 2 years time because you can't get that consistency that you are able to with the BES920, plus the extra speed (shot and milk concurrently)
I have had this unit for at least 8 years. Replaced one pump and one seal - still going strong. We now have three in the family and I wouldn't hesitate to buy another in a heartbeat.
Consistency is pretty good - the only issue is at the end of a bag of beans (when they aren't as fresh) I have to tinker with settings a little… But that is not the fault of the machine. Use fresh beans and you'll be fine.
I struggle to justify the more than double price of the dual boiler and a decent grinder in comparison to this unit.
I understand the dual boiler is superior to this but is the final cup of coffee going to be twice as good?
I wonder whether an average user would even feel any difference at all.
Or is the better experience making the cuppa worth the fact you can have 2 of this units and still $200 in your pocket extra?your coffee will be more consistent cup to cup with the BES920. it might fluctuate a bit more with this unit. you can get the bes920 for ~$800 on special, and for that it's hands down worth it. (+$200 for a grinder, sure).
i mean, if you want to be really picky you could just go the delonghi EC685 for $200, get a $200 grinder, and then you're in the ballpark of the bes870 and have $200 in your pocket again.The BES920 was posted yesterday for $1000 and was on the front page. I have had the the BES870 for roughly 3 years and it's comparable to coffee I'd get at a cafe. I wouldn't spend double the price for the BES920 and grinder.
Depends on what your goal is.
If you want to be specific and measure the gram of coffee, time of extraction, mL of extraction etc, to get the best out of the coffee, the barista express doesn't have the consistency to meet your needs. The shot can taste quite different even if you try to be consistent.
Can you tell the difference? If you can tell the difference between 7eleven coffee and half-decent cafe coffee, then yes. If you are happy with 7even level coffee or unsure if you're actually going to use the machine in the future, barista express should be enough.
It has been said that better value for money would be the bambino plus and a good grinder
This is a great little machine. I don’t regret buying mine for a second. It does a really solid job, particularly if you dial it in (program time settings/grind etc). If you don’t mind the clutter of multiple appliances on your bench, then go for the upgrade i reckon, but if bench space is at a premium, then grab this i reckon.
You are spot on. Especially if you drink a long black and don't need to froth coffee. Spend the savings on fresh roasted beans and you will be way ahead with this machine.
Plus the double boiler, plus a grinder takes up a lot more bench space. Given your average kitchen costs about $20-$30k, bench space is valuable!
The quickness of using the Dual boiler is the main reason for the extra money. If you often have friends over you can smash out 6 coffee's in around 6 minutes.
With the single boiler, it'd take around 15 minutes to get all 6 coffee's done.
Both machines can make coffee's that rival some of the best cafe's with the right bean, grind and milk froth.
I have the BES920 and love it just for the time saving component.
If you a regularly making coffees with milk for multiple people, i can see the merit in the dual boiler. I used my parents' Dual boiler for years, and then when i moved out purchased a Barista Express for myself. As I only ever have a double espresso, and live alone, I just couldn't justify the extra expense for mostly features I wouldn't benefit from.
This. I had the Breville Infuser but that didn't cut it when we had visitors. With the BDB I can smash out 6 single shot milk-based coffees in 5-8 mins compared to closer to 20 mins previously.
I agree, if you are making multiple cups at a time do not get this. It's alright for making one, but you'll just want to take a sledgehammer to the machine if you have to make multiples constantly
The coffee-snobbery on OzBargain is fierce.
What's the lowest it ever hit?
i think the bes920 can be had for $800 but whom knows when that may happen again (weird times + high demand with ppl working from home etc!)
I have a pro, looking to upgrade but not sure if I should get breville.
$600~
It's been a while but I recall $580 was the price I pulled the trigger on
Not sure the difference between BES870BSS vs BES870CRN but there was that one unique time when GoodGuys and eBay both had an overlapping 20% deal which brought it down to $479.20. I don't expect that deal to happen ever again.
It might happen again, I have benefited from such deal in the past. eBay is doing regular deals in past couple of months
That's way over twice the price..
How's yours going in terms of reliability?
This is a great unit as a starting point to make great coffee at home. I was still on Nespresso capsules Jan this year until I got this. Since then, I learnt a lot about coffee making and how I can improve my process. I make about 3-4 coffees daily.
Within 6 months, I have out grown this machine and decided to jump to the Dual Boiler paired with the Silenzio. It took me a few weeks to readjust myself to this machine as my ‘recipe’ needs to be rewritten.
This machine is a great start and you can still make great coffee. Getting straight to the Dual Boiler can be a steep learning process and not everyone wants to spend that much on a coffee machine.
yeah exactly, so wanting to upgrade within 6 months is a bit costly. it took me ~ 3 months and a fair bit of wasted milk + beans on the bes920 to get the hang of it; but once you do you get annoyed paying $5 for an average coffee at some cafe when you can make a better one at home!
tips i got from others that made the most difference were
- get a cheap pair of shot scales (like the rhino coffee gear scale). weigh your grind, and weigh your shot, should be ~14g ground and ~28g shot if using the single basket. ~19g & ~38g for the double.
- new beans, take the time to dial in your shot so it takes ~ 36 seconds for the extract (with a default of 7 second preinfuse)
- keep your beans in a airtight container in a relatively dark place
- milk (protein content) varies at different times of the year for frothing, so if you're not getting great milk happening, try switching brands for a bit.i am by no means an expert; still very much learning, but i hope this helps someone too!
+1 to not paying $5 for a coffee. IMO since that's the market price, that must be the lowest price they can produce some weak warm milk. Incredible.
The other tip I will add is I thought there was something irredeemably wrong with my dedica + smart grinder pro setup and I was about to give up, but I learned that I really do not like the sour notes from medium/light roast coffee beans. I exclusively get dark roast now and I can make lovely milk drinks as well as drinkable espresso, which I wasn't able to do with light roasts. The aldi dark roast is not bad at all, I just wish it came in 250g packets.
Dark roasts generally is much better as a milk based drinks.
I generally prefer medium roast as I drink long black or espresso and will probably be drinking iced Americano heading into summer.@dji1111111: I’m one of the few that prefers the acidic and lighter ones in milk. Dark roasts tend to be chocolatey which I find bland and generic. That’s cafe coffee.
Go to a speciality coffee store (say, Gumption) and they aren’t doing coffee like that@beatsntoons: the notion that light roasted is superior to dark roasts is a misconception. Dark roasts tend to cut through the milk better. Obviously largely a personal preference but with south American beans that do not have fruity flavour notes, i find that darker roasts are not bad. Bad Cafe coffee is not equivalent to dark roasts. That's just badly extracted coffee or rubbish quality beans.
Obviously you would be stupid to buy ethiopian single origin and roast it dark and lose all the unique characteristics
@dji1111111: What notion? It’s my personal taste preference.
I like lighter roasts and think they’re better to darker ones. That’s not a misconception, lol. I’m not stating it as a fact for everyone to agree upon, it’s just what I like@beatsntoons: You said speciality coffee places don't do dark roasts which is wrong. That is not a personal preference! lol is that so hard to work out? You are implying that places that do proper coffee don't even offer it which is implying it's only good enough for generic cafes. Maybe the ones you have been to don't. Some speciality coffee shops do offer number of different beans with different roast levels. Probably never as dark as what you would get from rubbish places like Starbucks but still dark.
You just wasted a whole paragraph defending your personal preference which I didn't even comment on LOL
@dji1111111: I think he's right, dark roasts are for muppets. It's for crap beans for people that don't have any taste buds, that's the reason margins are huge on dark roasts.
@TEER3X: I guess you haven't tried proper good dark beans. I roast plenty of great tasting dark beans myself.
I don't know about you but I have plenty good tastebuds to the point that I have a reputation for being picky with food. I have also been to many Michelin starred restaurants around the world so I don't consider myself to be a Muppet with no tastebud.
@dji1111111: edit: no point. It's a nice day, and a weekend.
Look you seem like the sort of person who likes/needs to be very specific about things and win points. Good on you. You do you, I'll do me.
Have a nice day. Bye :)
@beatsntoons: Maybe learn to write properly then instead of expecting people to read your mind over the internet?
What else does "specialty coffee shops don't do coffees like that" mean?
Did I conjure up these words? No, you wrote them yourself.
Seems like at least I am better at articulating my point rather than backpedalling like you lol
I sold my barista express with just a loss of $50 for 6 months of use. Not bad I’d say.
I also do single dosing every time which can slow things down but I’m enjoying the process so far.
36 secs of extraction is quite a bit. The machine default is 30s and what made you to increase to 36s?
I got into this coffee nerd hobby by watching all those Hoffman videos lol
Yeah I tend to hit 24g/30 seconds for my singles with a 6 second pre infuse. Of course that varies depending on the coffee.
Just watch for it to turn blonde
Not an expert here either and using barista pro but have you tried extracting 1:1.5 ratio in 30-33 seconds (contact time). I have noticed that most of the popular coffee beans deals posted here like sunset blvd, lime blue, air jo enterprise come out super nice.
It's a decent machine. All Breville machines have issues with brew temperature. Several YouTube channels demonstrate that. I have the pro and looking to upgrade. I have pulled shots on this one, only difference is that it's very slow.
Bought this 6 weeks ago at tgg for the same price. Love the machine.
You probably get hooked like i did and spend hunreds on accessories.
Tamper, thermometer, knock box, bean storage container etc etc etcThoughts on this versus the DeLonghi La Specialista Arte Coffee Machine, which can be picked up from TGG Commercial for $593?
https://www.thegoodguys.com.au/delonghi-la-specialista-arte-…
Seen few reviews of Delonghi coffee machines on youtube, I would steer away from them.
Very poor customer support from delonghi.
Thanks OP. Been waiting for this price for the BSS version. Just purchased one.
Friends of mine have either this or the Dual Boiler+a grinder, and this seems like a great entry machine based on price, espresso coffee quality, prep time, and bench space.
Great little coffee machine, I've had mine for 2 years and still going strong. IMHO the more expensive Breville dual boiler isn't worth it - the coffee didn't taste any better, and his machine took 3-4 minutes to warm up, mine warms up in about 30s
Can i use good guys gift cards through ebay store? Still have 2x$200 gc's that I tried to use buying the pro a few months back before price adjusted in cart.
No you can’t. eBay doesn’t accept those lol
Bought this on the last afterpay deal. This thing is fantastic. Got an issue sometimes when the steam and hot water dial gets too hard to turn to steam mode. Anybody else experiencing this issue?
Had mine for 7 years still going, only de scaled it a few times
Try to keep it in a dry-ish area, the tray metal itself seems fine, but the sides are metal coated and on my model have begun to bubble.
Otherwise great machine used every day for 7 years and hasn't really had much trouble, don't let the pump run dry.
Don't buy Will and Co beans. I ordered some online and it was the worst bag ever (I've been buying different bags in Australia for years).
Just a friendly tip from a disappointed ozbargainer.
Any thoughts on Sunbeam EM7000 Cafe Series?
They good machine for the price, dual thermoblock, so can steam n brew at same time, pressure gauge, steam milk temp gauge, commercial 58mm portafilter, if you have the bench space for it plus room for separate grinder, then best value setup. A family member had it for over 4 yrs b4 it stopped working.
can anyone give some recommendations,
I used to work in a cafe, so know how to make a coffeemachine is for my dad, no one else drinks coffee, he has 2-3 per day
we're currently using pods, recently i compared a cafe coffee and pod coffee side by side and realised how bad pods tasted (even though we were using nespresso brand pods)my dad really wants cafe style (latte art) coffee, which means its going to be me making them which is fine
we've had about 3 machines in the past years ago but the steamer wand each time has been absolutely useless
will this machine do the job?
Saw this video,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-Felehja_U
and even though it takes a bit longer, if it works like this, its fineGet him a dual boiler one.
Would he need a dual boiler for his single cup of coffee a few times a day?
I make a single cup daily, which means 1 cup. I have a Pro and Specialita grinder. I am upgrading to a dual boiler soon. The breville dual boiler has a lot of controls, the only contender is Profitec Pro 500, which is I think 3000$.
If you want to warm up Express or Pro, you'll need to run at least 2 to 3 blind shots with a dual walled basket on to put some back pressure. Which is a lot of wasted energy and water.
Why not get a machine that warms up itself before you get up?
Also, consider at least 200 to 300 worth of accessories. Distro/tamper combo, a nice latte art jug, scale, IMS baskets. That's all I use.
He'll definitely a dedicated grinder for dual boiler.
@sqheaven: Nah I'm not a barista,
My dad isn't fussy at all but after trying a few pods , I realised how bad they were.
The pod machine is nespresso brand and the steamer wand is useless I can't even make microfoam (maybe its broken)Just don't want to buy a machine and then be disappointed
can anyone give some recommendations,
machine is for my dadWhat's your budget?
If it's worth it$1000 is fine. But for $600 and it does the job, that would be better
You can consider the Breville Barista Pro Espresso Machine for $806.65 + some fresh roasted coffee.(https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/144116052874?epid=4032575788&has…).
The Dual boiler cost $1000 + Pro Grinder $250 will exceed your budget.
Have a look at this one dual thermoblock so can steam and brew at same time, currently for $594, just need to buy separate grinder. I believe best value machine for this $$.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/124267849793?_trkparms=amclksrc%…
@huntabargain: how does it compare with the Breville vs sunbeam
both are same priced and look very similar on paper@Samsungnote10: The only similarity I can see is the price, how do you see them similar!!
Breville Barista Express:
Has integrated grinder,
Can not brew n steam same time,
54mm portafilter,
pressure gauge.
Sunbeam Cafe series:
No grinder,
can steam n brew same time,
stronger steam n instantaneous,
58mm commercial size portafilter,
pressure gauge n milk temp gauge.
Wider body so more benchtop required + buy grinder.
Makes better coffee than above model.
I thought you mentioned you working in a Café!!
PS: the discount code expires 11/10 for both of them.@huntabargain: thanks for the summary,
and yes i did work in a cafe, but i never really tinkered with the actual machines, adjusted the grind, cleaned and just churned them out
might have a better look at sunbeam one, stronger steam and better coffee is the priority for us!
Buy a Sunbeam EM7000. That is your best bang for buck machine and produces very good, not the best, but very good coffee. If you can spend more buy the best grinder that you can afford and a Bambino ..not the plus. Ultimately the grinder and your coffee quality is what decides 90% of the taste. You can get 1% or 10% from the machine depending on what you buy.
how does it compare with the Breville vs sunbeam
both are same priced and look very similar on paperDepends on what unit you are talking about. Sunbeam has Barista max, Breville has Barista express, both come with inbuilt grinders and the ideal choice if you do not have a grinder. Breville has the dual boiler, Sunbeam has the dual thermoblock , both without a grinder. Breville has variations of the express and dual boiler , with features added in which Sunbeam does not have. Then you have the bambino range from Breville, which ship without grinders. Breville will give a better resale value because it is better marketed and more popular, both sunbeam and breville machines will produce decent brews as long as what is fed in as in ground coffee is good. Garbage in is garbage out.. does nor matter whether you use a 100 dollar machine or a 10,000 dollar one.
I don't think it'll ever make it back to the pre-COVID ATL price
No I don't think so, I've read this a month ago
https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/breville-gearing-t…
TGG15 not working: "can't be applied to the order". Anyone has the same issue? thx
For those still interested, looks like they increased the silver one to $749. At the time of writing, the black colour is still $699
Sorry just realised only 3 left, feel free to remove it if the quantity is too low.