Ordered Coffee from a Coffee Roaster Online - Received Coffee and a Religious Booklet Asking if I Should I Burn in Hell?

6000SUX on 13/09/2021 - 15:30
Last edited 15/09/2021 - 20:20

Recently i ordered coffee from a roaster. This is probably my 5th-6th or so order, so i'm a somewhat regular customer.
But this package was different. This order included a free tea sample, but attached to it with an elastic band was a religious flyer.
The flyer (or booklet) pictured a black and white draw close up of a man on a cross, with red blood dripping down. Several pages about the big book, various quotes and a check box at the end asking if i wanted to be saved or to burn in hell.

I'll be honest and say i'm a little taken back. I've bought coffee from you - this isnt an opportunity for you to push your views onto me. Regardless of how i feel about the content.
Not cool.

Could it be a 'rogue' employee or maybe its a smallish company who have those views? I wont name them - or at least, not yet.
So now i'm in 2 minds whether to contact them about it or let it go. I mean whats the best/worst that can happen if i was to even bother?

That all said i cant say i'm losing sleep over it and yes I have moved on.
But i was curious - has anyone else had a similar experience with ordering stuff online?

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      • 6000SUX on 17/09/2021 - 07:59

        This was a better question than my replies put together - nice one Ughhh

        You've side-stepped this question Orico. I'm guessing as the answer is no

        I think you're going onto other bigger topics here - which are issues for sure - but not relevant to the original post (leaflet in coffee order) in my eyes.

  • velcrochicken on 16/09/2021 - 11:25
    -4

    Orders from place with Christian name, surprised when gets Christian pamphlet.

    Next level..

    • 6000SUX on 16/09/2021 - 11:29
      +2

      Yes - it seems everyone in this thread including yourself seemed to know the name meant something and i didnt. Fair enough.

      • velcrochicken on 16/09/2021 - 12:02
        +1

        I'm just shit talking.

        • 6000SUX on 16/09/2021 - 12:09
          +1

          ha - all good :)

    • ankor on 17/09/2021 - 09:14
      +1

      I had to dig deep to remember that old testament stuff. I mostly remember mana now from Diablo II and other role playing games.

  • SBOB on 16/09/2021 - 13:29
    +2

    If I'm going to end up burning in hell, may as well not order coffee beans and just roast them myself when I get there.

    • Vote for Pedro on 16/09/2021 - 18:14

      I mean, if hell is where the coffee is, sign me up.

  • Dreamcast on 16/09/2021 - 19:26
    +1

    No issue in believing people will burn in hell. But why do you need to send this message through in unsolicited religious propaganda.

    I mean at least if they knock on my door, I can turn them down. Customers are that, customers. They didn't ask for religious material.

    This is stupidity like there is no tomorrow. Do they wake up one morning and decide, hmm how do I destroy my business??

    Here's a suggestion you smart people. Keep the religious propaganda out of your business, make more money, donate to your church, have an open day at the church with a bbq, etc etc (post this covid hell). That way people who are curious, will attend on their own accord.

  • Dreamcast on 16/09/2021 - 19:28
    +1

    Send them a copy Diablo :D Mana is useful in that game.

  • tryagain on 16/09/2021 - 21:52

    I am curious OP, what specifically about this has annoyed you to the point of potentially not buying from them anymore? Is it just that it's a religious based pamphlet? That it says (something along the lines of) if you don't believe what we do, you are going to hell, or would you be similarly annoyed with non religious advertising material in with online orders?

    • ankor on 17/09/2021 - 07:04
      +2

      Some people don't like religion being forced on them. You don't expect a religious pamphlet when ordering coffee.

      Fyi, I'm Catholic and I'd be very upset if I got religious material when ordering a hamburger, coffee etc.

      Lastly, all the stuff that's come out worldwide over the past 8 years about the numerous coverups of childhood sexual abuse really, really don't paint our religion in a good light.

      • tryagain on 17/09/2021 - 07:38

        Thanks for the reply.

        The bit I don't understand is why it is seen as different to any other advertising material, I don't like things being forced on me, but I wouldn't view a flier with a freebie as something being forced.

        If people get annoyed about getting unassociated advertising material with a purchase no matter what it is, that makes sense to me, but I am just curious if it's just religious/political/other, then why is that seen as worse?

        • ankor on 17/09/2021 - 09:16
          +1

          I think it's because if it's religious/political, it's seen as worse.

          For example, no one likes getting spammed by Clive Palmer..

  • dji1111111 on 16/09/2021 - 22:43

    Big deal. Chuck it in the bin if you don't agree and move on.
    I received a parcel from Amazon and it contained a leaflet about urging everyone to get vaccinated. I didn't expect it and have no idea what it has to do with my order but just chucked it in the bin and moved on.

    • 6000SUX on 17/09/2021 - 07:56
      +3

      I literally wrote and yes I have moved on in the original post…

      • dji1111111 on 17/09/2021 - 09:20
        -1

        yes, before you got agitated and decided that you must post this on ozbargain and spend another 5-10 minutes to post this and continue to waste more time on posting comments in this thread, all on something that apparently is of no interest to you. Congratulations, you not only let them annoy you with unwanted religious propaganda but you also let them waste your time.

        • 6000SUX on 17/09/2021 - 09:48
          +3

          Where does it say/did I write i got agitated?
          Where does it say/did I write i have no interest?
          Where does it say/did I write i got annoyed?
          Why is what i do with my time of any interest or concern to you?
          Why wouldnt i respond to comments on a post i've made, isnt that the point of a post - to have conversations and respond to comments/questions?

          • dji1111111 on 17/09/2021 - 10:08
            -3

            @6000SUX: I'll follow your lead.

            Where does it say/did I write what you do with your time is of any interest or concern to me?

            Just pointing out the contradiction in your behaviour and what you claim.
            Use whatever words you want. You said you were taken back. If you want to say that's different to being agitated/annoyed, go ahead.
            You then go on to say it's not cool. if you still want to maintain that you weren't agitated/annoyed, maybe you need to rethink your use of words.

            • 6000SUX on 17/09/2021 - 10:16
              +2

              @dji1111111: I dont understand the point of your comments.
              I've posted something on a public forum that happened to me which i thought was surprising. I've engaged with people who have commented. Which is the point of a forum post.
              But to draw a line under this - You're implying i'm having all these emotions and i'm wasting time. I disagree - but OK noted. Thanks for your input.
              You also encouraged me to 'move on', even though I had from the start - in the original post. But OK noted.

  • sena86 on 17/09/2021 - 06:48
    +3

    If a company wants to send a few positive verses from their respective book (e.g. Bible, Quran, Torah etc.) then I think it can be treated as advertising but when they start sending drivel that we are going to suffer if we don't convert to their religion of choice then that is not okay.

  • ozhunter on 17/09/2021 - 10:05

    In case I missed, but you never posted a pic of the pamphlet?

    • 6000SUX on 17/09/2021 - 10:18
      +2

      https://files.ozbargain.com.au/upload/203846/91205/screensho…

      Credit to Magicmushroom who posted earlier.

      • ozhunter on 17/09/2021 - 14:02
        +1

        Oh, I saw that. I just didn't see the part asking if you should burn in Hell.

        If someone thinks everyone will burn in the fires of Mount Doom if they didn't believe in God, would you care?

        But yea, I don't think these types of pamphlets are popular as it may alienate customers, but some people care more than just money.

        • 6000SUX on 17/09/2021 - 14:21

          Ahh gotcha - The choice at the end is on the back page. Sorry i probably should of taken a pic in hindsight. But i'm sure someone will in the future on their Google reviews.
          I burnt mine not long after i received it - ironic eh?

  • Juddwah on 17/09/2021 - 11:50

    Sooooooo should you?

  • CheapAddict on 17/09/2021 - 12:02
    -1

    I for one hate uninvited ideals being shoved down my throat but including a pamphlet with your coffee order is hardly "pushing" views onto you. I've had a Christian question my beliefs during my lunch break at a park. It was uninvited and he consumed a good portion of my break.

    What you describe is hardly pushing views onto you. You've chosen to get offended over a piece oh paper because it had a checkbox. Unless that checkbox required submission for you to get your coffee, move on. There are bigger things in life to worry about.

  • JayM on 17/09/2021 - 12:59
    +1

    ONA in the ACT and Elixir coffee in QLD are two that I can recommend as replacements if people don't want to buy Manna due to their pamphlet.

  • MND on 17/09/2021 - 13:26

    What ever the message is, you can decide to read it or not. The most important thing you got was a free tea bag. In which you can make yourself a free tea! If I got a free tea and I got a pamphlet on sensitive people. I probably won't read the pamphlet as I just got a free tea!

  • edisonAU on 17/09/2021 - 14:50
    +1

    Well at least they are honest and upfront in their views. They know they will lose some customers, including yours, and some people from OzB. But from their point of view, they have "sown the seed" and have done what they need to do.

    Then again, if I ordered coffee from PrideBeans with rainbow colours on it, I would not be surprised if they provide leaflets promoting LGBTQIA+ issues.

  • CheapCoffee on 17/09/2021 - 16:58
    +1

    I was about to purchase some coffee and I'm glad to come across this thread so I can try to avoid Mannabeans going forward.

    IMO the business can put in whatever they want with their delivery within reason, but also they also need to be able to live with the consequences of it.

    • May4th on 19/09/2021 - 08:36

      if Mannabeans was smarter about it the pamphlet would be less inflammatory - 'burn in hell' isn't exactly likely to invite anything other than a negative defensive reaction. a lot of low quality DIY religious (mostly christian it seems) material seem to take this approach which is counter productive at best and push people away from their message

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