Hey guys,
So I've encountered few occasions at my local McDonalds that whenever I wanna place an order they ask if am there for UberEats?
Not sure if they do it in purpose or just think it's funny am not offended lol maybe I start working in Uber Eats at some point to take break from the 9-5 office jobs, but just want your thoughts?
I'm South American.
Update: I have contacted local restaurant to train their staff to not auto-assume things based on customer's appearance.
Yup. They stereotyped you. But i think it's important to say (and not that you're implying, I'm just puttin it out there)… stereotyping is not racist. It's just making assumptions based on personal previous experience and knowledge.
Yup. They stereotyped you. But i think it's important to say (and not that you're implying, I'm just puttin it out there)… stereotyping isn't of itself racist. It's just making assumptions based on personal previous experience and knowledge. Can people stop trying to find racism where it doesn't exist. I feel like we're at this point where it's becoming like hate speech and inciting anger and aggression the way people can't highlight any racial difference without being accused of being a racist.
It's textbook racism, sorry if that offends you.
I must live in the twilight zone, because the only way I can tell if someone is an UberEats delivery driver is if they're still wearing their helmet when they arrive at the counter.. Even then I've been proven wrong, because I once saw a guy rock up to the counter with his UberEats bag, grab the delivery and then jump into his TESLA to make the delivery!
one of my guys at work.. he got home one day bit early and parked on the kerb rather than his driveaway.
got out and heard someone yelling 3 houses up.. "hey uber over hereeeee, hey over here uber"
he yelled back.. "lady I've been living here for 3yrs.. i'm not uber"
:D
I don’t about you guys but I’ve never met anyone who doesn’t judge based on appearance. It seems like I’m the only person who treats everyone neutrally.
It seems like I’m the only person who treats everyone neutrally.
You are a definitely rare, especially among the OzBargain crowd.
It's stereotyping, but I don't think it's racist.
It's like when someone asks "where are you from?" or "what's your background?" because someone has a different accent. That's not offensive, or racist, unless the person asking wants to be racist and says "you should go back to your country".
Or when your colleagues know you (female, or non-binary) have a partner but don't know that you are LGBTQA, and they are organising a party and say you can bring your husband, without considering that you might have a wife. I don't think it's inappropriate or offensive, and you can just correct and say "I will bring my wife". No dramas, problem solved.
Society is annoying so some individuals might think it's inappropriate. People are not the same, and they shouldn't be. I don't like this tendency of everyone having to be treated "equally" as if we're all the same. It's not disrespectful or racist to assume that your Uber Eats rider is Asian (i.e., whose background is from a country in Asia ), even if sometimes that's not the case. It's not disrespectful to assume that your colleague is straight, because most people are binary and straight.
I wish we could respect and appreciate diversity without thinking that everyone is being racist.
It's stereotyping, but I don't think it's racist.
It's textbook racism. Worker sees indian person approach and automatically assumes all indians are X.
I wish we could respect and appreciate diversity without thinking that everyone is being racist.
I wish we call obvious racism out as obvious racism. I don't know why people are so afraid of doing so.
No, it is not textbook racism. A textbook case is a "classic or common example of something". Someone going to Mcdonalds to place an order and being asked if they are there for Uber Eats because is NOT a common example of racism.
We don't know how often it happens (twice? three, twenty times?), and if that happens because of how OP looks like, or if the staff ask that to everyone in the queue, or if one particular person asks the same question again and again because many times Uber Eats riders were waiting in the "wrong" queue and got mad when they waited for 5 minutes just to be told they were in the wrong queue.
Therefore, I think what you are doing without having enough information is textbook misjudgement: "an unfair or wrong opinion about someone or something".
Someone going to Mcdonalds to place an order and being asked if they are there for Uber Eats because is NOT a common example of racism.
Assuming all X race is Y is textbook racism. Therefore, assuming all indian people approaching the counters are food delivery drivers is textbook racism. Are we agreeing on this straightforward point, at least?
@Autonomic: It's not assuming they are all food delivery drivers, it's assuming they are more likely to be. It's racial profiling, and whether it is racist depends on the purpose of the profiling.
Another example is this. The government has identified aboriginal and Torres strait islanders as an at risk group for coronavirus. Is it racist to single them out like this?
https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavir…
It's not assuming they are all food delivery drivers, it's assuming they are more likely to be.
This is just semantics. If you're treating all indian drivers as such then there's no functional difference.
Is it racist to single them out like this?
No. Completely different situation. There's complex reasons and evidence as to why these groups are higher risk (as laid out in your link) and a reason to offer them special treatment (because otherwise people will die).
Where's the analogue?
@Autonomic: It's not semantics, you like textbooks I see maybe you should hit the books.
Another example is this. An Arab friend complained to me after september 11 that he always got searched at airports. Is it racist? No. Unfair on him as an individual, yes.
@acersaurus: Are you actually telling me that treating all arabs as terrorists is NOT racist? And I'm the one who needs to hit the books? Lmao
I mean what an absolutely moronic idea, even on the face of it. All terrorists need to do in order to avoid detection is to look white? Billions of dollars of anti-terrorism funding and they'll be defeated by someone who passes for white?
@Autonomic: They're not assuming he's a terrorist. They are assuming there is a tiny possibility he might be.
Just because he got searched frequently does not = an assumption that he is a terrorist or equal treatment as a terrorist.
I suggest you read about racial profiling.
Racial profiling often involves discrimination against minority population and is based on any negative stereotypes of the targeted demographic
Wikipedia
"Racial Profiling" refers to the discriminatory practice by law enforcement officials of targeting individuals for suspicion of crime based on the individual's race, ethnicity, religion or national origin.
ACLU
Racial profiling is a form of discrimination which violates basic human rights and contributes to inefficient and ineffective policing. There is little evidence that racial profiling is an effective approach to combating crime.
Police accountability project Australia.
assumption that he is a terrorist or equal treatment as a terrorist.
They assume he's a terrorist (because of his race) until they actually search him.
They are assuming there is a tiny possibility he might be.
If they're worried about "tiny possibilities" then logic would dictate they would search everyone.
@Autonomic: Yes it is discriminatory and I not standing up for racial profiling. I am merely saying it is different to racism, and not always racist.
In the case of my poor friend who got searched, the goal was to prevent terrorist attacks.
@acersaurus: It's racism. You can argue that it's "for the greater good" (it's not) but it is absolutely 100% racism. Your friend is being treated worse purely based on his ethnicity.
@Autonomic: You have to assume that the "racist" believes being a Uber Eats rider is a bad thing for your argument to work in this context, and there is no evidence whatsoever that that's the case here.
OP was asked if he's a rider, he was not denied service nor humiliated, and didn't suffer any consequences for (not) being a rider. The staff wanted to know if he was there to pick up Uber Eats; that being the case, he'd have to move to the pick up point.
People often ask if I am German because of my accent. Being German is not a problem, having an accent is not a problem, being asked if I am German, or assuming I am, is not a problem unless they say I am a nazi because I am German, or are rude, or do/say something racist.
Being Latino or Indian is not a problem, being a Uber driver is not a problem, being asked if you are a Uber rider, or assuming you are because you are an Indian-looking Latino queueing at Maccas is not racism unless something racist happens after that.
Finally, I'm (apparently) German-looking and I've been asked if I was at Grill'd to pick up an order from Deliveroo a few weeks ago.
You have to assume that the "racist" believes being a Uber Eats rider is a bad thing for your argument to work in this context, and there is no evidence whatsoever that that's the case here.
No, you do not. If you're assigning characteristics or traits to someone based purely on their race then it's racism. Doesn't matter if they are positive or negative.
@Autonomic: Next time I order Uber Eats and I am waiting for the rider at the entrance, I can't assume or ask anyone who is arriving on a bicycle if they are delivering food? Because if I am assuming someone riding a bicycle is a Uber rider I am being racist? And they can't assume or ask if I am the person waiting for the food because they are racist?
It's "purely" on anyone entering McDonald's, a place where people order or pick-up food, and approaching the counter.
You have no evidence, and you are the one being judgemental, and ridiculous.
Next time I order Uber Eats and I am waiting for the rider at the entrance, I can't assume or ask anyone who is arriving on a bicycle if they are delivering food? Because if I am assuming someone riding a bicycle is a Uber rider I am being racist? And they can't assume or ask if I am the person waiting for the food because they are racist?
It's very simple. Are you assuming they're an Uber Eats driver based purely on their race? Then yes, it's racist. Are you assuming they're a delivery driver because they knock on your door after you've ordered Uber Eats? No.
Feel free to ask more questions, although I know you're being intentionally disingenuous by saying that assuming a bike rider is an Uber Eats drive is somehow racist.
Also I'd like to know if you agree or disagree with this:
If you're assigning characteristics or traits to someone based purely on their race then it's racism. Doesn't matter if they are positive or negative
If you're assigning characteristics or traits to someone based purely on their race then it's racism. Doesn't matter if they are positive or negative
If you're disagreeing with this then you definitely have racist beliefs. I suggest you do some self reflection.
Since the covid check-in BS started last year, anytime I've walked into a mostly empty FF place, phone in hand still checking in I get asked if i'm uber eats or one of those.
Its become the norm over walk in customers it seems.
I'm South Asian, I get asked it sometimes, I just say no and don't care about it after. They're just doing their jobs and majority of delivery drivers happen to be South Asian in my area. Yes, it's stereotyping, but that doesn't make it inherently problematic. I'm hungry, I just want my food, not an opportunity to be offended
You're a legend. It seems that more white people are offended more than those actually "affected". Virtue signalling at its finest.
Noticed you got downvoted too, probably by a white person.
Yes, it's stereotyping, but that doesn't make it inherently problematic.
Can you elaborate?
Auto, out of curiosity, are you white? It really shouldn't matter, but you're making this a big deal so now I'm curious; are you a white person defending those non-whites who really don't care, or have you been genuinely offended and can speak from a realistic point of view?
Are you?
I'm fat and they always ask if I want to add fries.
Stereotyping is common. But there are two aspects to it.
One very simple being a general or obvious person.
Second is where you are positioned at.
e.g. this very scenario. The person handling orders is customer rep and being stereotypical may not be suitable for all interactions.
If I were the Cust rep, I would be asking ‘What would you like to order please?’ And let the customer tell if he’s a customer or Uber guy.
Instead of asking if you were there for Uber Delivery and what’s ur order no.