Not a bad little freebie from Downies. Just pay the shipping. Good little collectable.
‘We Will Remember Them’ Silver-Plated Commemorative Medallion $0 + $4.99 Shipping @ Downies
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What’s ironic about it? Remembrance coins and medallions have been released in Australia almost every year. Funny how you can draw a comparison between a standard release and the current political climate. Should we just forget those who fought in the great wars? Are you for cancelling ANZAC day as well?
So, on one hand you're mad at me for comparing the losses in previous wars to the repeated losses that continue in the current political climate, but then you also accuse me of wanting to forget those previous losses. Lolwhut.
Don't be such a snowflake mate, if "lest we forget" doesn't mean we should be learning from the mistakes of the past and applying them to present political (war is absolutely a political situation) situations, then you must be reading from a different dictionary. I can think of no greater insult to the wasted lives from past wars, than to forget those lessons, and carry on repeating the same mistakes over and over (as is happening right now).Alternatively, you place absolutely no meaning in remembrance, and prefer to just indulge in tokenistic jingoism yourself. Don't worry, you're certainly not alone in this country, in that, or in your desperation to be offended by anyone who doesn't subscribe to nationalistic groupthink.
Lol, have you taken your morning medicine today? I never compared losses. You are comparing a medallion for the First World War to the current defence political climate, the two are so far apart its not funny.
'Snowflake', classic, tell me another one from your 21st century online insult book. 'Nationalistic', lol quick to judge, what an ignorant comment.
@UberIsCool: I compared losses. Thus why I said it's ironic. Holy smokes, I feel like I'd have more luck trying to explain these very simple concepts to a banana.
p.s This is excess stock they couldn't clear from 2018, so I trust I at least don't need to explain to you why the rest of your rant was a bit silly.
@Dandaman21: So how stupid is your comment ? “ Ironic time to be releasing nationalistic jingoism” when they came out in 2018?
confirms what I said about releasing coins and medallions every year without any related objectives, hence why it has no link or comparison to anything going on currently. Anyone can draw a comparison between any two objects if they try hard enough. Just like are ‘trying’.
@UberIsCool: About as stupid as you declaring it's relevant that coins are released every year, I guess.
If you are unable to understand the comparisons to be made, and the lessons to be learned between previous wars, and all the wars that followed, including ongoing wars, then I really can't help you. Nationalistic groupthink clearly suits you. "NOTHING IS RELATED TO ANYTHING UNLESS I SAY IT IS!" lol.
Now, you better run along, there could be an aussie flag cape deal pop up at any minute!
@Dandaman21: Lol if you knew me you would know Id be far from caping an Australian flag, and im also far from disrespecting the fallen who fought for my freedom.
Now you better run along, there could be a neo-N group night tonight.
@UberIsCool: Doesn't get much more disrespectful than co-opting war, and the soldiers who died in it, to try and lend merit to your opinions. I dunno what neo-N is, but if it's one of those black-light discos with all the fluro outfits, I'm down.
I find it funny how you claim to respect sacrifice and remember those who fought, then not only refer to this commercial token as a "medal", but offer a tick to promote it to others.
I see nothing in the post about the purpose of this commercial venture other than to make money for the manufacturer.
"Lest we forget" refers as much to the pointlessness of listening to those determined to fight to the last drop of your blood to defend their privileges and standing as the people who did so.
You writing this message to everyone who voted? medallion is what I said, and that's what it is.
Don't think they are making much money on $0, not sure where you went to school.
We honour the soldiers for their sacrifice and not the government. Once you are a soldier you do your duty.
Not every soldier is a war criminal, judge the ones who do the wrong thing and respect the others who voluntarily do the most dangerous job in the world to keep their country and our lives safe
Voluntarily? Wait, I thought we were paying them?!? Time to unionise fellas.
Ever been to a war? War is ugly and the enemy is not welcoming you with rose bouquets.
Exactly
So war crimes are ok?
@firecaller: Jesus Christ no one is saying war crimes are okay. What people are saying is that it has nothing to do with remembering and respecting those that have served and continue to serve
And that it's easy for us to judge (I'm included in that since I've only just started my career in the ADF) from our cushy seats
You are one sick individual for your comments on this subject
Atrocities were the part of duty?
War atrocities (killing people who coincidentally are trying to kill you) and war atrocities (targeting civilians, doing stuff outside rules of engagement) are not quite the same thing, albeit there's a lot of dying
That said it seems you are conflating war atrocities with soldiers, a bit like linking school teachers with paedophilia, or governments with mismanagement. I suspect it wouldn't be correct though. imo
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-19/defence-chief-angus-c…
Read the report in full to know many of those were innocent people and had nothing to do with war. If you still do not believe, then ignorance does not have any cure anyway
@DiLs: I'm not condoning those acts but to suggest that was typical or summarised the war in Afghanistan is ignorance personified. At least try to understand the environment in which our troops operated. Enemy combatants didn't walk around with signs on their heads saying Taliban/Islamic extremist or dress differently from civilians. That's just one of the reasons why DNA checks were carried out by Australian and coalition forces - to help distinguish innocents from trained killers, especially those involved in IED production and placement.
Then I urge you to read this newly released book:
https://www.simonandschuster.com.au/books/Rogue-Forces/Mark-…
Rogue Forces is the explosive first insiders’ story of how some of Australia’s revered SAS soldiers crossed the line in Afghanistan, descending from elite warriors to unlawful killers.Mark Willacy, who won a Gold Walkley for exposing SAS war crimes, has penetrated the SAS code of silence to reveal one of the darkest chapters in our country’s military history.
It will show you the AU SAS fall into 3 categories.
1.) Those who blatantly killed/knifed/shot civilians
2.) Those who saw it all and kept shut (in today's civilian crimes it would be labelled as accessory to crime)
3.) Those (very few) that did none of the above and went the next step to report.EDIT - I do support the earlier Anzacs that fought for our country without this level of corruption and hate.
The SAS has become a cesspool of people joining the army to take their hate-fuelled rage at people of different ethnicity, BRS is one douchebag.Still not buying this coin
If you look at this coin, it clearly says "FIRST WORLD WAR".
That has nothing to do with SAS and modern "wars", but with the original Anzacs.
This medallion has nothing to do with Afghanistan. How stupid are some of these comments and posters.
If you want to know how such a culture could exist I suggest you read Failures of Command by Hugh Poate. It lays bare the soft underbelly of the bloated and cossetted contemporary ADF officer ranks and shows the lengths to which some at the very top will stoop to cover up incompetence and negligence and avoid transparency. Some of the names will shock even if the archaic attitudes might not.
well in the boer war we had breaker morant who killed POWs and civilians ….. he was convicted of war crimes and executed, so australia has had issues with war crimes before afghanistan…..
Any nation you know of that hasn't? War does that to some people and as horrific as it is to you/us sitting in the comfort of our homes you shouldn't be shocked that occasionally a soldier will take matters into his own hands. We don't condone it in the clear light of day but that's rarely when such acts occur. They're a bi-product of the mental anguish of battle, killing, death and severe injury, and survival. The least we can do is try to understand. Australia and many other western nations now have very strict rules of engagement, what was in the Taliban playbook do you think? "War crimes" were committed en masse by all sides during WWII, sometimes for purely logistical reasons, sometimes as vengence for what was done to their mates. Cossetted civilians and politicians love to judge the actions of soldiers under extreme stress doing their "dirty work" in countries far from home.
I look forward to your essay on the crimes committed by early settlers against the aborigines.
They're a bi-product of the mental anguish of battle, killing, death and severe injury, and survival. The least we can do is try to understand
Sorry, disagree,
The problem here is that many AU Veterans at a young age already have far-right / extreme ideologies, these are manifested in the battlefield when it becomes a lawless battlefield and the only person you report to or can hold you for account is your superior.
BRS was an example, if you looked at the ABC 4 Corners footage, you can see when the superior ignored command of "what shall I do with him. shall I light him"? what do you think this soldier will do after he kills the innocent man on the floor with his hands between his legs? kill more,
The AU Veterans are disgusting, and im sorry to cover them all with the same brush but it was too much to bear with the Insider stories.
Perhaps our older diggers of WW1 or WW2 were different, this was way before my era, but what's the AU veterans did in the last 20years has been despicable.
Where's the bargain?
Something arguably worthlessness for $5?Go ahead and neg the deal then.
It’s a collectable, like how people collect coins. Like most collectables is it worth something now? Or in the future? Or is it nice to have as part of a collection? Is it nice to have in a display cabinet? Or is collecting things even worth doing anyway?
The bargain is that it’s free, postage sux at $5 but that’s reasonable.
The Ozbargain community is unaccepting of other peoples hobbies. Just check out the comments in any gaming figurine deals.
Yeah that’s fine, collecting things is not for everyone…. Until you have that $1.6m Mario 64 game in your basement…
Only this one will likely not increase in value, but decrease.
Decrease from 0?
Funny how this was posted for $10 delivered 3 years ago and got downvoted: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/380636
This is excess stock from 2018 they couldn't sell.Those links were interesting, I didn't know bank of Nauru coins are legal in Australia
$10 coins, someone could make a money swimming pool.They're not.
They just pegged their currency to the AUD and try and raise money with releases like that.
Anybody buying one?
This one from 2012 is $19.99 shipped on Ebay I don't think it will appreciate that much given the mintage is 80,000.
This is excess stock from 2018 they couldn't sell.
ADF Chief Angus Campbell confirms innocent people were also intentionally killed by Australian forces
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-19/defence-chief-angus-c…
and
https://afghanistaninquiry.defence.gov.au/sites/default/file…From the same link…
Here I want to emphasise again that the overwhelming majority of special forces soldiers did not choose to take this unlawful path. No matter the stress and the strain of battle, they remained true to our values and our laws.
What does that have to do with World War 1?
The program stunned the Australian Defence Force and resulted in the SAS operator — known as Soldier C — being stood down and referred to the Australian Federal Police by the Federal Government.
"It's a very toxic culture," Mr Chapman said of the SAS squadron he was assigned to.
But the former SAS patrol member believes the culture was shaped by the constant grind of deployment after deployment, by leadership that turned a blind eye, and by the pointlessness of their mission in Afghanistan.
"We were bringing people back, handing them over to the Afghan authorities. Three days later they were released back out to go do whatever they were doing, even if they were a confirmed target," he said.
"I think they [his SAS comrades] believed that … we either don't go out at all, or we just shoot these people. Because why are we risking our lives?"
Where are these made ?
Australia
This is not a forum to discuss war, vets or anything other than a bargain. So let's stop….
It's a free coin, let's keep it relevant.
It's $4.99, not free.
$4.99 is how much the postage charge is.
And you have to pay that to get the coin.
@[Deactivated]: No it isn't.
I purchased other things with the medallion and did not pay anything extra.
The medallion was free.
You can post this as a letter, so it's $1.10.
@RubenM: So? Why is that relevant?
And you can't post this for $1.10.
A small letter has a maximum thickness of 5mm.
To send a large letter with a thickness up to 20mm the cost is $2.20.
However even with a postage cost of $2.20 for a letter what about the other costs associated with positing it?
You know things like the envelope, packing material, address label, persons time to pack the medallion etc. Do you think those things are free and have no cost?A letter also has no tracking
I have no idea how the medallion is sent however it probably still has tracking, which a letter for $2.20 does not have. Yes that's right, another cost!
@spaceflight: Depending how it's packaged, you CAN send it for $1.10.
I have no idea if they offer tracking or not.
I totally agree. It should be called for false advertising unless they provide some realistic way to avoid the postage cost.
I'm happy for them to say $4.99 and free postage not it's not free IMO if you can't get it for $0.it's not free IMO if you can't get it for $0.
You can get the medallion for $0.
I purchased something else and the price did not increase at all when I added the medallion to my cart. That means I got it for $0
@spaceflight: justify it as you like, and our gutless consumer laws agree with you, but the point is it is in no way available free - it's going to cost somehow. You either pay for postage or some other item or whatever, but it cannot be had without cost.
point is it is in no way available free
Yes it is
but it cannot be had without cost.
Yes it can.
It did not cost me anything to get the coin compared to of I did not add it to my cart.
Medallion
At the very least our soldiers left a legacy of bravery and something to be proud of, regardless what you think of the point of the wars they fought in.
Unlike the Afghani Army cowards who, outnumbering their enemy at least 4 to 1, with U.S. support, are an embarrassment to their country, and will leave a legacy of people thinking the Afghanis are cowards.
Unlike the Afghani Army cowards
They were talibanis pretending to be afghani army soldiers. People negging you must be rejoicing the takeover by taliban
Please don't tell me you get your news from Twitter, Facebook or Channel 9?
Please don't tell me, for 20 years between 2001 - 2021 - Women in Afghanistan were rejoicing and flourishing in academia under the military rule of USA/AU/EUR?
Do you think the locals get a stiffy at the sight of foreign military bases, checkpoints and army roaming the streets without your ethnic language?As such, if Taliban is the ruling military party then so be it?….as it is for Cuba, North Korea, Myanmar, and MANY MANY other nations where hard-line military rule and the locals are ok with it.
Where is the "WOMEN" backlash when the Myanmar military took over?The ones running away from Taliban were the ones that had oppressed them whilst standing with the USA Army, it's only natural some run away when the US pulled a dodgy on them.
I know more about the region than you will ever in your lifetime.
I love how people can just make statements like this without doing even five minutes of basic research to understand the geopolitics surrounding Afghanistan's recent history. Is it also the Afghan people's fault that the CIA literally funded and trained the Taliban in the 80s because they were so terrified of communism that they had to oust the socialist government of the time?
Excuses excuses.
Lol. There's no pleasing people who refuse to acknowledge facts.
So is your point that they did a better job in the 80s, or you're agreeing that afghani soldiers are cowards compared with taliban, or what's your point??
My point is the obvious point I already made. If your neurons are struggling to fire off to bring it a coherent thought, that's on you.
@chunksandwich: Far enough. I'll put it down to your on neither team A nor team B, but just here to share facts that might be relevant.
i see it as karma, the US trained the taliban to kill russians, then osama who the US trained used those skills to execute 9/11 and then the US end up in Afghanistan fighting the taliban that was trained to kill russians now killing US forces ……truely karma, it came back two fold.
How many of these have been produced? May only worth it's material.
80,000 mintage
It's worth about $5
If you are a coin collector I wouldn’t purchase this. This is not currency but essentially a medallion with no intrinsic value. It’s not limited production, and plated silver with no mention of the base metal. A closer look at the design and the artwork with the trumpeter isn’t visually appealing.
neg however you like, soldiers are mainly used and dumped, look at how veterans being treated, not that hard to stop the bs.
Don't be deceived by the fact that these are silver plated into thinking they're valuable because of the silver content. At best there would be only a few cents of silver on each coin.
Buy the coin because you like it, not because of its perceived value.
jingoistic nonsense. $0 is overpriced.
Someone learned a new word and wants to show it off.
Have some respect.
must be an nice life you have there, reducing those you disagree with to whatever preconcieved idea of them that's most comforting to you.
Irrespective of how you think of the military, how is it disrespectful to them to point out that this is a money grab by whoever minted them and that they're worthless?
That has nothing to do with whatever is on the "medallion". I'd call it crap regardless of what was displayed on it.Exactly, so many people getting fired up about what the coin represents instead of what it actually is, a cheap trinket made by a commercial outfit which is overpriced at $5
I wouldn't buy the medal. It is not a classy engraving.
To me it's message is rather simplistic as the reasons for wars are usually political where the population is being used to make monumental sacrifices to avhieve very little. The troops often think they are going to have an adventure but often end up crippled physically or mentally with adverse affects on their families.
I was a conscript during the Vietnam debacle and my infantry batallion went to Vietnam, but I had insufficient service remaining, and was left off.
Every April 25 I give thanks for having a normal life without all the traumas caused by jungle warfare. My thoughts them and now were not about defending Australia but about the inequality of sacrifice.your battalion would be thanking God they weren't relying on you to have their back
you are cool and tough, good comment.
good mature comment. Makes my proud to be an Aussie.
Remember them and donate $4.99 to a charity that helps veterans. Not something that will just sit in your drawer, unless you are a medallion collector.
Since when is a coin deal a place for heated debate on war crimes, failings of government and belittling veterans? Lockdown is getting to people…
"I will to my lord be true and faithful and love all which he loves and shun all which he shuns."
– Anglo-Saxon Oath of Fealty
$4.99 with free shipping? Pass.
Free with $4.99 shipping? Sold!Mods are sleeping today.
Believe it or not, they are happy with this thread.
Considering the demographic in OzB and the number of dual citizens, the level of disrespect, vitriol, and disgraceful comments hardly comes as a surprise to me. Perhaps what's worse is that I strongly suspect a large number (maybe even the majority) of those comments are coming from the other 25%!
Today, this being Vietnam Veterans' Day, and indeed every day, lest we forget.
Cool story bro! In french, we call people like you "lèche-bottes"