Queensland has suddenly had snap lockdown with 6 hours notice. It's supposed to be for three days but may last longer.
What's your thoughts? How long will the QLD lockdown last? Will the lockdown end in three days?
Update: Thanks to the community for things to do:
Things to do during lockdown
š² Who want to play online boardgames now and in the next few days and is bored due to lockdown?
š² Please feel free to suggest
@try2bhelpful: So you want 'scientific evidence' that a guy went to court and subpoenad evidence from the chief health officer where he lived?
I hope your parents got a refund on your 'clear thinking' classes. :)
@EightImmortals: Scientific evidence that COVID is a hoax. Best of luck trying to find that.
As I said āclear thinkingā
The vaccine is proven not to work.
Okay doctor. That's very compelling evidence you've provided. You've convinced me.
In fact the vaccine is pretty effective. However viruses do tend to mutate at quite a fast rate.
don't worry, natural selection will catch up to him like this fellow https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/covid-anti-vā¦
There are many tales, like this, coming out of the woodwork.
Once the vaccine rate is high enough, and the virus is taken off the leash a tad, we will see more of these cases happen.
What worries me is families that wonāt let their kids be vaccinated against the disease. It is fair enough for adults to play Russian roulette but these kids will suffer as well.
Not to worry, if I can just become a billionaire or a politician I might survive!
Maybe not so much.
https://ballotpedia.org/Government_official,politician,_and_candidate_deaths,_diagnoses,_and_quarantines_due_to_the_coronavirus(COVID-19)_pandemic,_2020-2021
For some reason the hyperlink isnāt working.
Three dead at the Federal level
Ten state
Five local.
All good everyone our lockdown is over in QLD. Thats how you do it NSW!! as you can see we don't have an incompetent state govenment and health system like they have in NSW. And people that don't do as they are told.
as you can see we don't have…people that don't do as they are told.
Oh we definitely do. But maybe not as many, or we got lucky that they weren't given the chance to get and spread it.
i'm not too optimistic about it being contained to just nsw. i think it's just a matter of time
As long as we block them permanently we should be fine fully armed police at the border should do it
We could call it 'Checkpoint Charlie'!
@EightImmortals: as long as they keep NSW trash down south and never come up to the North, its what ever it takes. NSW kind are not welcome in QLD until they get there act together.
Great speech.
āAs a servant to the people of Queensland and Australia, I speak tonight on freedom. On many occasions in the last year I have addressed the Senate in regard to freedom as a counterbalance to medical tyranny. And I recently addressed the Canberra Freedom Rally, remotely.
The side that is locking people up for the crime of being healthy, arresting protesters, pepper spraying kids, beating up grannies, banning books and electronic messages, censoring social media, sending threatening letters, forcing small businesses to close, urging people to dob in dissenters and banning safe drugs that have worked for 60 years are all on the wrong side of history.ā
āIn a frightening development, New South Wales has called in the troops to keep innocent, healthy citizens locked in their homes in what can only be called martial law.
Recent freedom marches showed what happens to citizens who exercise their democratic right to protest. People are demonized, hunted down; the media vilifies them to discourage others from questioning the control state. If the government can decide who is free and who is not, then that is not freedom and no-one is free. A crisis will always be found to justify measures designed to protect the government, not the publicāa crisis that is as is easy to create as turning up the PCR test from 24 cycles to 42, where a false positive is the most likely outcome, as has occurred.
Actions such as these have created a crisis of confidence in government, and that, fellow citizens, is on the Senate. We are the house of review. Weāre tasked with a duty to ensure honesty, transparency and accountability in the government of the day. We have failed in that solemn duty, our duty to our constituents.
We have failed those who are yet to vote, our children, who are now being injected with a substance that has not undergone meaningful safety testing. The Liberal, National and Labor parties have colluded to waive these measures through this place, reducing the Senate to the status of a dystopian echo chamber.
Each new restriction, although met with rightful public opposition, has not led to a re-evaluation but, rather, has led the government to crack down even further. The Morrison government is behaving like a gambling addict who loses a hand but doubles down instead of admitting error and walking away. With troops now on the streets, itās frightening to contemplate where this will end.
Everyday Australians are being deliberately demoralized to extract a higher degree of compliance. When COVID first arrived, there were few masks, and the experts and authorities told us masks were not necessary. Now, those same medically ineffective masks are used to condition people to fear and obedience. Crushing resistance crushes hope, and without hope we have no future.
Is it any wonder that small businesses are closing permanently? Every small business that closes is a family that was being provided for through hard work and enterprise. Who will look after those families nowāthe government? With whose money? The Reserve Bank, using electronic journal entries, can only create fiat money out of thin air for so long before it runs down our country.
The government can only sell bonds until buyers stop coming forward. Then what happens? We will have no tax base left to pay government stipends to people who were once able to pay their own way.
Since when has the Liberal Party, the supposedly party of Menzies, been dedicated to making huge sections of the population totally reliant on the government for survival? The bad joke here is that the excuse used to justify the sudden rush to Marxismāpublic healthāis moot. Death from all sources, including coronavirus and the flu, are at historic lows.
Australiaās death rate in 2020 was less than in 2019, and 2021ās death rate is lower again. Weāre strangling Australiaās economic life and future for no reason. Power has gone to the heads of our elected leaders and unelected bureaucrats, who are exercising powers yet do not feel the consequences themselves.
Never in history has Lord Actonās famous quote rung more true: āPower corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.ā Itās been calculated that the civil disobedience tipping pointāwhich is the maximum capacity of the police to arrest people, of the jails to hold people and of the courts to process peopleāis in Australia around 100,000 people. Anything more than that and the system comes crashing down. Attendance at the freedom rallies last month shows weāre almost there.
No wonder the Morrison government has been scared into resorting to the refuge of tyrantsāusing the military to intimidate civilians into compliance and to mandating injections and threatening to rip away peopleās livelihoods.
Everyday Australians are seeing through the smokescreens of fear and intimidation. People now see that the costs of the restrictions to family and community exceed the medical cost of the virus. Everyday Australians have spoken. We will not be divided, we are united, we are one community, we are one nation.ā
https://principia-scientific.com/if-governments-control-yourā¦
Pandemic = no freedom
Vaccine and compliance = Freedom
no idea why people are such idiots and don't understand this, and are so selfish, if they don't want to get on board then we will through you overboard and you can swim to another country where they give a shit about your view.
insobordination is not tolerated in this country. You either get on board or you get out of here. Lockdowns are caused by people, doesn't matter if its one person, or 1000 people, there is always one that thinks he/she is above the law.
And that 'one' is currently govt. and politicians who are lying through their teeth to advance this global agenda. And what's wrong with you that you don't understand that freedom is not something to be granted or removed by the political class?
And what a pathetic attitude you display "obey or get out!" Who are you to decide what other people can do or not do and what they believe or don't believe? Nobody is suggestion you should 'get out' because you actually believe there is a 'pandemic' or a 'delta strain' that masks and experimental RNA injections are your saviour, or that pink unicorns exist?
And how many times do you have to be blatantly lied to by government before you start to wake up? If you keep conceding to their unwarranted and draconian demands you will NEVER be free.
Of course you would have understood that if you had clicked on the link I posted as that was what the preamble was all about.
"Many people have looked at what is taking place in Australia with jaws agape. Indeed, if there exists any system of western democracy that has taken more stronger totalitarian measures during covid than Australia, they are not easily identified.
There were reports in early 2020 of the United Nations organizing 5-stages of COVID lock-down plans, with āstage-5ā being the most restrictive; and the Australian government agreeing to be the beta-test for the fifth stage; the ultimate police state. If true, that explains the incredibly undemocratic and authoritarian controls triggered by the government down under.
The Australian army is patrolling the streets; all businesses are forcibly shut down; formerly free citizens now locked inside their homes; sky-marshals patrolling from the air and warning via loudspeakers to disperse; concentric rings of physical checkpoints around major metropolitan areas; dissidents and non-conformists identified, targeted and arrested by violent Australian police.
Yes, this sounds like a dystopian science-fiction novel; however, it is all the current reality in Australiaā¦. and the government is claiming they are only in āstage 4ā!"
WAKE UP!!!!!
Ok here is a scenario to make you understand the situation.
Your are held at gun point to the head, do you do the following.
A. Do as what your told to survive.
B. Risk death by getting shot in the head by trying to break free?
Which is the low risk option?
you seem like someone that would choose B.
imagine if you did choose B and you somehow don't get shot, the implication would still be an outcome of death because individual with the gun will still track you down or hunt you to kill you. The result is almost always death not just for one but for many others in the cross fire.
if you choose A there is still risk of death but there is more of a chance of survival.
the result for both can either be life or death, the reality is choosing the option that has less risk. Thing is the risk can not always be forcasted, and decisions can sometimes be mistakes.
In the case of the pandemic this affects every country round the world. Would you prefer to risk it and see if we all die from the virus, or would you prefer to comply and not risk death? Then the question is do you Value life for a short period of time or do you value life for a long period of time?
Pandemics don't care about your freedoms they care about killing you or spreading to as many people as posiable, what we do now secures humanaties survival in the future, its not about your insufficient lives or freedoms. Its about continulation of human survival as a species.
@kungfuman: Ok then. To follow on with your analogy…
Yes I would choose B, better to burn out than to fade away as the saying goes. :)
As for choice A, are you seriously saying you would trust the word of the person holding the gun to your head (I see the allusion to Mao's famous words there too BTW :) ) to keep their word and not shoot you even though you know that person has lied to you a million times before?
"In the case of the pandemic this affects every country round the world. "
If by 'pandemic' you mean the illusory justification that global government is using to warrant it's current global tyranny then yes, you are right, it does affect the whole world. If OTOH you mean the story being told non-stop by the media and the government then you are being lied to and made to believe things that are contrary to what you personally are seeing around you. Turn off the TV and then tell me if you still believe in this global scamdemic after a week or two? When you turn off the propaganda the fog will start to lift and you might be able to start seeing the truth.
"Its about continulation of human survival as a species."
lols mate, you need to calm down, in the context of the covaids you are completely and totally wrong, at the rate these injections are killing an injuring people you may well be right. :)
@kungfuman: Not a great example. But do you really think there's any point in trying to explain reality to people that think this way anyway?
They've had a year and a half to understand how the reality of a pandemic works, and they've chosen to make their own reality. There is no helping these people! They live in a different world, and I'm hopeful that they'll have some of their 'freedoms' removed when they keep refusing to protect the community and get vaccinated.
You know what? You're free to go around and punch a bunch of people in the head, just don't be surprised when you get your freedoms removed and put in jail for a while for doing so, because that's not what decent people do.
@NigelTufnel: actually your right, working in IT for many years I have learnt, that you can't teach idiots to do the right thing. That is why IT departments exists because people are idiots. If it wasn't for the idiots breaking things I wouldn't have a job so its a double edged sword lol.
In a night club if someone doesn't obey the rules they throw them out. Why not apply the same thing on a country level.
Let the idiots form there own society.
compliance = Freedom
Lol. One of the most ridiculous things I've read on here.
explain why? how did you come to that conclusion I am always intersested in people that give comments with no context.
@kungfuman: You seriously want me to explain why? Perhaps ask anyone who's lived, or is currently living, under a dictator.
I honestly didn't think it needed context.
"Stay standing outside while balancing an egg on your head or I'll kill you". "Ok". Wow, much freedom.
"Don't speak against the government or we will kill your entire family". "Ok". Oh my god, I feel so free right now.
@brendanm: I used those exact words to bait people like you to come out of the wood work. showing your context just confirms the frame of though to that statement. People do not all think in the same ways what you consider to be obvious based on social circles doesnt' mean its reconized by others in other social circles. You don't know what a dictatorship is till you have actually lived in one. We aren't in a dictatorship, but I woudl recommend a trip to north Korea if you want to find out what an actual dictatorship involves. If no one would be able to tell you what its like to live under a dictatorship, because none of them woudl be able to escape or use the internet to tell people about it. We are not closed to the world. You have the freedom to put as much shit on teh internet as you like.
@kungfuman: Lol, sure you did it to bait.
Don't question, just OBEY.
The government would never lie to you, they only want what's best for you.
You have the freedom to put as much shit on teh internet as you like.
There are plenty who would disagree. See the "friendlyjordies" producer for one that's happened lately.
@brendanm: clearly didn't read, as most users don't do and clearing didn't understand as most users don't do. Failure to understand the point, and lastly picking out points and commenting on them out of context. just like you opening comment.
Care to share all your evidence of you vast experience of Australian govenment conspiracy theories so we can laugh at you?
Also name 20 people that would disagree with me? where is your data?
@kungfuman: Where did I say there were any conspiracy theories? You should perhaps heed your own advice.
They do things to benefit themselves, or their friends/families/"donors".
You do you though friend, if you want to bend over everytime daddy government tells you to, go for your life.
A pathologist explains what the injection does to your brain and organs.
https://rumble.com/vkopys-a-pathologist-summary-of-what-thesā¦ (17 minutes)
o that idiot I know that guy he is the one that said homosexaltiy was a curiable desease that needed to be cured. also have a read of some of his other bullshit statements https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/not-all-coronavirusesā¦
only an idiot would believe anything this guys says. He is a complete liar.
Maybe you should do your research before randomly puting links up.
They never come from reputable sites do they?
yep
https://www.factcheck.org/2021/04/scicheck-idaho-doctor-makeā¦
Sheesh man, do you just automatically believe everything you get force fed on telegram?
Nice article. Thanks for finding it.
Well if the 'fact' checkers are on the job then it's case closed I guess? lols
Why let the facts get in the way of a good paranoid conspiracy theory huh?
However, once the world deems enough people have been vaccinated then it will stop restraining Covid and we will see where that leaves the conspiracy theorists. Iām sure the people who make a buck out of this stuff will find something, else, shiny to dangle in front of the deluded.
Me, Iām due for shot 2 next week.
@EightImmortals: I know this is blasphemy for Ozbargain but I have no eneloops. āForgive me father, for I have sinnedā.
@EightImmortals: I think my man might fight you for it. However, he is having his second shot at the same time as me.
Factcheck.org is run out of the public policy center at the University of Pennsylvania, an incredibly reputable Ivy league university well regarded as one of the best 20 academic institutions in the world.
But hey, you keep blindly believing anything that reinforces your beliefs, 'lols' indeed.
Anyone in QLD still on reduced hours even after lockdown has ended? I heard that you can't claim the $450 or $750 disaster payment once lockdown ends. That's !@#$ed if that's true
nah not me but I guess it depends on your industry, the IT industry has never been affected by the pandemic.
Here's another doctor giving a short talk.
https://tv.gab.com/channel/standonprinciples/view/dr-destroyā¦ (6 minutes)
Don't click the link, don't listen to what he has to say. Immediately go to the 'fact' checkers who will give you your opinion beforehand.
You mean look at the the facts beforehand. Give us a reliable source for the info.
Look at what is happening in Texas. The case numbers, and deaths, are kicking up again because of the vaccine hesitant. Iām sure most of the dying people regret they listened to the nonsense; certainly their families do. It might be frustrating being a, real, clinician watching people die who couldāve avoided serious illness by having the vaccine.
My only quibble is around the AZ clotting in young people. Pfizer wouldāve been a better option for them. Not perfect but better.
Vaccination has always been a dance but Iām old enough to remember callipers on kids and where the expression āwouldnāt work in an iron lungā came from. Iām sick to the back teeth with the antivaxxers and their nutty conspiracies. Their attitudes kill children.
"You mean look at the the facts beforehand. "
Yes, pretty crazy eh?
"Give us a reliable source for the info."
If you're not willing to listen to working doctors and scientists then what am I supposed to do? If Karl Stefanovic and the info-babes have anything useful to say I'll post that as well. That seems to be most people's idea of 'reliable sources' these days…
So apart from your rant, do you have any comments on what the doctor in the video had to say?
(p.s. Just sent an email to mate in Texas to see what's really going on)
Me, Iām listening to the reputable one. There are a lot of āworkingā scientists and doctors who have rubbish ideas. This is why peer review is used to weed out the rubbish ones.
Give me a peer reviewed piece of information from a legitimate source and we can discuss this.
The rest isnāt a rant, it is history. Go have a look at the diseases we have minimised the effect of using vaccination. There is a lot of info out there.
@try2bhelpful: I've been looking at all of that for the last 20 years, ever since our son was damaged after his 2 yr MMR shot. (He came good though but I don't have to be warned twice. ) Did you think I got my opinions from Facebook?
@EightImmortals: I, assume, the doctors confirmed your son was damaged by the MMR shot and not something else. Unfortunately some people have a reaction to the vaccines. However, the likelihood is very small and the benefits are very large. Iāve probably had more shots, than quite a few people, because I worked for State Rivers and Water Supply. I had no issue with getting the shots because it was part of my job and it protected me from what might have been in the samples we were testing.
I can see why you might be hesitant but the scientific backing for measures like masks, vaccinations, some treatment options are tried, tested and well known. Some of the āalternate onesā have been shown to be more dangerous than useful and some are, minimally, useful. As America loosens the reins on suppression then the GOP dominated states will provide a nice bunch of ānon vaccinatedā, non masking, comparison subjects. This could get interesting. I wonder how long the health funds will hold out before mandating vaccinations due to increased hospitalisation costs?
@EightImmortals: Do some Googling on the reputation of the ājournalā that is publishing this work.
@try2bhelpful: hahahahha, predicted response completed.
So I guess you also blindly dismissed the MANY references listed in the footnotes too?
In other words you don't 'really' want any scientific papers unless they conform to the political agenda.
@EightImmortals: It isnāt a āpoliticalā agenda it is a health one. Any crackpot can post a pseudo scientific paper to backup their āideasā. It has, certainly, happened in the past. They use āreferencesā and all. We are beginning to see outbreaks of diseases that have been, traditionally, managed by vaccination because of the work of antivaxxers. The Covid vaccine, certainly, has side effects; most vaccines do. In the vast majority of cases these are minor. Science is about, continually, improving the efficacy and reducing the negative side effects. Once the vaccination level has reached a certain point then Covid will be less controlled. At that point we should get a pretty good idea on the efficacy of vaccination. We can continue this discussion at that point. Iām sure you can find a crackpot journal that will explain the death rate difference between the vaccinated and unvaccinated.
@try2bhelpful: Here's another doctor that disagrees with your narrative. Better find something wrong with him too I guess.
@EightImmortals: Iām just going to keep saying āreputable sourceā. Peer reviewed scientific papers from a reputable publisher. Not someone on āYouTubeā.
My ānarrativeā is based on high profile research done across multiple countries that were peer reviewed at many levels. It, also, includes a vaccination program that currently includes millions of subjects.
It is, also, backed by the historical deaths, due to disease, and the part vaccination has played in arresting the death, and disability, rate.
@EightImmortals: I think Iāll stick with reality and reliability. However, Iām sure the fringe elements can provide you with what you want.
do you have any comments on what the doctor in the video had to say?
On masks - They're not particularly useful on their own, but they have some impact, even the paper that he was referencing and he linked to found some reduction. Even if it reduced 1-1 transmission likelyhood by 80%, that's still 20% chance of transmission. Multiply that by the number of interactions you might have (some of which without masks e.g. eating), and it still blows out your R0. But that's why it needs to be combined with social distancing and lockdowns which are the things that really work. It's a hard thing to study though…
On the vaccine - not stopping outbreaks. We know that it doesn't stop people spreading it. We hoped it would, but as we've learned more about covid staying pretty heavily in the upper respiratory tract, we know it doesn't stop that. It reduces it, as people are less symptomatic, but it's not a fix for stopping spread.
What it is really good at is stopping people being hosptialised and dying from covid, therefore reducing the burden on the hospital system and stopping people from dying from other things as well due to no space in the hospital.
Look at the statistics in the states. Since we're talking about Texas: there's still outbreaks (partly because their vaccination rate is pretty low), but unvaccinated people are 185x more likely to be hospitalised and 85x more likely to die.
On treatments - We've come a long way in figuring out which treatments work for covid, and this will be key to dealing with it in the long term. I do find it interesting that he categorised the few articles on mask effectiveness that show minimal impact as 'they obviously don't work', and the articles on treatments like vitamin D that have "There is need of more well conducted clinical trials to reach to a certain conclusion." in their conclusion as clear evidence that it works… And he mentioned Ivermectin, yet provided no journal articles about it's effectiveness, as there's been many large trials that shows no evidence.
Anyway, I think I'm done reading and interacting here. You're obviously going to believe what you want, and pick the information that confirms your belief and ignore everything else as biased instead of trying to understand the issues.
@EightImmortals: Anyway some simple facts the State Govts especially Gladdy are going to open up as is pro biz . You don't get from the institute the govt is listen to pure skewed data to Delta like what it should be due to vaccination is a part of the solution . Better masks eg N95 or better , filters etc is just as important . Biz think the 70-80% all will be right but clearly the data coming from oversees disputes that strongly .
Main point those not vaccinated definitely are going to be the greater % to hospitalized and of course die from the opening that is coming whether ready or not .
If anyone is still gullible enough to believe the politicians will let you out of cages when they get '70% injected'……..
"On 25 July commenting on the Sydney lockdown, Prime Minister Scott Morrison said vaccines are not a substitute for lockdowns. āThe vaccines can provide some assistance, but theyāre not what is going to end this lockdown,ā he said. Melbourne with over six months cumulative lockdown already holds the world record for the most locked down city and weāve seen other cities locked down for a handful of community cases. Our state premiers are the worldās most reactionary in imposing panic lockdowns. The PM has signalled this is to continue.
There has been a complete loss of proportionality with Australian lockdowns doing much more harm than good and based on international data and experience, we now have impossible policy settings to sustain if we want life to return to normality. Our situation could now be described in the Eagles classic hit āHotel Californiaā, āyou can check out anytime you like but you can never leaveā.
The damage being done by lockdowns in smashing small businesses, disruption of education for kids, mental health problems including rise in self-harm and suicides, deferred routine health services resulting in delayed diagnoses of cancer and other illnesses ā far exceed the harm caused by the virus. Australia may experience a wave of additional morbidity and mortality in the next few years due to cancers not being detected in 2020 and 2021 at Stage 1, but once they have spread to Stage 3 or 4. This could well affect thousands of patients.
Evidence of harmful unintended consequences continues to mount. In early July a rise in serious respiratory infections in New Zealand was attributed to āimmunity debtā. Doctors say children havenāt been exposed to a range of bugs due to lockdowns, distancing and using sanitisers and their immune systems are suffering. Deaths due to alcohol-related liver disease jumped 21 per cent in the UK. Transplant surgery, such as kidney, is down 16 per cent in Australia.
Victorian Premier Andrews said on 29 June, āIt wouldnāt be forever ā just until we have got a critical mass of Victorians and Australians through the commonwealthās vaccination program, and we got ourselves to the magic numberā¦ 70 or 80 per centā.
Real world experience points to Australiaās policy being nonsensical in the medium-term. Recent data from Israel, the first country to vaccinate the majority of its population, is highly significant as case numbers of the Delta variant climb. Studies now show that vaccine-induced immunity fades significantly after just six months with protection from infection as low as 39 per cent. While not protected from a rising incidence, those who have been vaccinated retain significant protection of around 90 per cent from severe illness defined as requiring hospitalisation or causing death. However, vulnerable groups in Israel are already being called for their third jab. Naturally occurring immunity amongst those who have recovered from a coronavirus infection has greater longevity.
This has major policy implications for Australia. As vaccine-induced immunity declines and more variants emerge, there will inevitably be ongoing cases and outbreaks in the community even with a high proportion of the population vaccinated. We have heard no management plan from our political leaders or chief health officers for such a scenario. Pursuing the lockdown and zero-case policy will do untold economic, health and lifestyle damage to Australians.
As our leaders have not articulated a viable medium-term plan to live with coronavirus, letās make a start in The Speccie by outlining a few common-sense principles. Firstly, recognise that Australian culture and lifestyle requires freedom of movement, association and activities. People enthusiastically choose activities which involve some risk to themselves and others which we tolerate and manage. We allow fishing, beach swimming, contact team sports and even driving motor vehicles. We allow people to live in the fire-prone Australian bush. There are endless examples which risk injury or death to individuals or others.
Coronavirus demands a multi-pronged risk mitigation and management strategy, not a fantasy risk elimination strategy, to allow Australian life to return. The vaccinations should certainly be encouraged, particularly for the older and those with health problems. Vaccination brand choice should be unrestricted, subject only to supply. There is indeed firm evidence supported by numerous published studies that triple therapies based on hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin can be effective treatments when used early and there should be no prescribing restrictions on doctors for use of these long-established and safe drugs.
https://www.spectator.com.au/2021/07/lockdown-needs-a-smackdā¦
And if anyone is wondering why more doctors are not speaking up or giving you their honest medical advice when you visit them.
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CSiX7_LrhcQ/?utm_medium=copy_liā¦
Another health care worker speaks out. (obviously not an Aussie or he would lose his job)
"I've seen 32 elderly people pass away immediately after taking the Moderna vaccine."
https://rumble.com/vl0flw-certified-occupational-therapist-wā¦
10 minutes.
@EightImmortals: When I was a kid we did āclear thinkingā classes. It sounds like they have discontinued them. Come back you you have some, real, scientific evidence for your assertions rather than a bunch of conspiracy their hooey. I, really, despair of some sections of society.