Queensland has suddenly had snap lockdown with 6 hours notice. It's supposed to be for three days but may last longer.
What's your thoughts? How long will the QLD lockdown last? Will the lockdown end in three days?
Update: Thanks to the community for things to do:
Things to do during lockdown
š² Who want to play online boardgames now and in the next few days and is bored due to lockdown?
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Yeah I don't think 3 days is enough to be certain it's contained. But it would be terribly unlucky to have it spread anything like Sydney. Probably be somewhere like recent SA, Vic and WA outbreaks. A week or so of lockdown and back to normal.
Now imagine if Gladys had done the same…
Luck had nothing to do with the way it spread in Sydney, Pure incompetence from government and selfishness with residents. QLD is far from immune to either of those but hopefully Sydney will stand as a lesson.
Certainly. I was implying that having a government call a snap lockdown early on has worked well for the other states.
It would be unlucky for Brisbane to reach Sydney level cases when they locked down so fast.
Sydney is where they are because they failed to follow the other states with lockdowns and presumed their āgold standardā contact tracing would save them. Now theyāre getting help from both WA and Victoriaā¦
Three days definitely not enough to be certain it's contained.
But should give enough time to find all the contacts and get them all into two week isolation and tested, any found positive then repeat with all their contacts etc
If all goes well (no new cases found outside isolation) then the lockdown can be eased, but still need restrictions, masks, etc for the next two weeks to be sure no cases were missed.
Unless there are more twats from NSW trying to sneak in, in which case, it will be most of August.
Need to through these twats in gaol.
The problem is that Gladys did too little, too late.
Because WA's economy is doing terribly as a result of the lockdowns that 'don't work'… /s
@Drakesy: Keep working in the Federally owned resources to help the guys sacrificing in the eastern states doing something with screens all day . Eastern States tks WA :)
@popsiee: I guess someone has to fund the inevitable enquiry into the shambles that is the NSW Gov's handling of COVID.
The big 4 are licking their lips in anticipation.
protest some more , lockdown even more
I'd feel safer if the covaids gave a press conference explaining how it's going to protect us from government
Did you get that quote from the internet. Typical ignorant people that does not understand what freedom and oppression is, just a self entitlement.
Obey your masters and take their experimental injections or you will be in detention for long time!
I don't get this sentiment - when exactly is the vaccine no longer "experimental"?
Over 4 billion shots have been given, most developed countries now have > 50% of their population fully vaccinated. Of people eligible, there are now more who have taken at least one dose of the vaccine (in OECD countries) than those who have not.
At some point you have to give up this argument, as the number of unvaccinated people are just shrinking each and every day.
And don't you DARE speak up or protest or it will go on your permanent record!
Good - because if I am an employer, I would want to know whether someone I'm hiring is an irresponsible person who has blatant disregard for the health of their community and is willing to contribute to the economic hardship of others who have to endure longer periods of lockdown due to their irresponsibility.
I don't get this sentiment - when exactly is the vaccine no longer "experimental"?
It's the dO yOuR oWn ReSeArCh tools that think that they just magicked these vaccines up at the start of the pandemic, rather than understanding that there's been decades of actual scientific research that have led to this.
It's no longer experimental when it has gone through the proper amount of time for thorough testing BEFORE it is forced on the world's population. Unless you were referring to the social 'experiment' part of the event that is, in which case, so far it has been partly completed but there are still enough people with common sense who can see what this stuff is doing and are smart enough to say 'NO'.
" because if I am an employer"
IF? So you are not an employer then? But as you seem to know so much about it I guess that implies you know what qualities all employers want in their workers? If I were an employer I would want people who are competent and capable at their job, who turn up to work and are able to think for themselves and get through life without needing their hands held by big bother.
"blatant disregard for the health of their community "
Perhaps you can explain the logic behind this assumption? Governments and their mouthpieces all over the world are already saying the injection wont stop you from catching or transmitting the covaids and vaccinated people are already being told they still have to mask up, social distance and in some cases are not even allowed to fly. You know, all the 'carrots' that the tyrants have been dangling in front of people to get them to submit to the injection. So please explain your statement in the light on that information because you are making no sense otherwise.
"endure longer periods of lockdown due to their irresponsibility."
Which brings us back to the start of this conversation, you are not being terrorised because 'some people refuse to be part of the mRNA experiment', you are being terrorised by a kackistocracy who needs to get as many people injected with this stuff as they possibly can. It is government that is causing all the real problems here and not all the normal, healthy people who are just going about their lives as they always have. People who can see there IS no 'pandemic' (except as I predicted last year we are now starting to see a real pandemic of the vaccinated and it will get much worse over the next couple of years) should not be your target, the people who are trying to divert the blame on to them are your real enemy.
If you can't be bothered to read a history book which might help you from being part of repeating history maybe a novel might help?
Today, what you should do when you wake up is get a copy of George Orwellās Animal Farm. Read it, then pass it on to your partner/kids/friends/guy in the vaccinated-only barā¦
Do it because itās been one of the most widely banned books in the world. And you know what that means ā things only get censored when they go against the accepted government narrative, but always nicely packaged as being suppressed and sanitised "for your own good".
Do it also because itās a really skinny easy-to-read book with a really powerful message:
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."
A rule that was conveniently changed by the pigs in charge from the initial "all animals are equal" that everyone had agreed to in the beginning.
This book is a great lesson on how leaders change the rules to suit their own agendas, on governments guaranteeing equality to all but ensuring power and privileges to a select few.
It is also an eye-opener for the masses not to be brainwashed by the ruling class; not to remain neutral or silent and to be wary of false propaganda from any new leadership that might take control over personal freedoms and liberties.
Sound familiar at all?
Let people decide for themselves what they believe is good for them! Exceptā¦thatās not going to happen any time soon, and weāve strategically been put through the 4 Stages of Manipulation:
Fear: Do this or elseā¦
Flattery: Do this and youāre a good personā¦
Bribery: Do this and you get something freeā¦
Violence: Do this or else face the consequences.
(hint: we are in stage 4 of the above list)
"They had come to a time when no one dared speak his mind, when fierce, growling dogs roamed everywhere, and when you had to watch your comrades torn to pieces after confessing to shocking crimes."
ā Animal Farm, Chapter 7
@EightImmortals: Question: What's the difference between being hit in the face by a sledgehammer vs being hit in the face by a peanut?
@EightImmortals: On Animal Farm
itās been one of the most widely banned books in the world
It is available on Kindle and was recently free, courtesy of Lysander's post here.
The audio book is also free on youtube, link here.
It is a really good book.
It's no longer experimental when it has gone through the proper amount of time for thorough testing BEFORE it is forced on the world's population.
So when it is it no longer experimental? When 50% are vaccinated, 60%, 70%, 80%?
More people have gotten the vaccine then have been infected by COVID now, so the virus is more "experimental" than the vaccine, right? Pretty experimental to get infected by a virus that's only been around for a year.
Today, what you should do when you wake up is get a copy of George Orwellās Animal Farm. Read it, then pass it on to your partner/kids/friends/guy in the vaccinated-only barā¦Do it because itās been one of the most widely banned books in the world.
I'm just rolling my eyes. Please little boy - I read Animal Farm when I was 9 years old thinking that it was a children's book I found on my dad's bookshelf. One of the most widely banned books in the world my asscheeks - for a long time, it was literally part of a standard high school curriculum (along with The Crucible, which I actually find a better read than Animal Farm, but that's neither here nor there).
(hint: we are in stage 4 of the above list)
Continue to roll my eyes. Literally nobody is threatening violence for not getting vaccinated. I actually generally agree with your broader message, which is that we should let people decide for themselves what they believe is good.
If you don't want to get vaccinated, fine. But if someone else doesn't want to let you into their bar because you're not vaccinated, also fine, right?
@p1 ama: Oh I reckon if even the CCP is criticising the draconian nature of the Australian government then my above points are more than validated.
As for your claim about Animal Farm, while few countries ban Animal Farm now (probably because the threat of people actually reading has become extinct), it has been on the Big List of Forbidden Books in as many as 126 countries throughout itās life.The most notorious instances:
Banned in the former Soviet Union, for obvious reasons. Stalin wasnāt well known for his humbleness or sense of humour.
It is still banned in the United Arab Emirates.
Printers were discouraged from printing it in the UK during WW2 because it was thought it might provoke the USSR allies.
North Korea ā doesnāt take much to be banned there. The book questions authoritarian leadership and that wouldnāt play well in a country built around the cult worship of a leader.
It was banned in China up to 2002.
And finally, Animal Farm is listed in the Top 100 list of books regularly challenged in the US. At one point, The New York State English Councilās Committee on Defenses Against Censorship indicated that the book might be problematic in a classroom setting, citing, "Orwell was a communist."
Man very uneducated and pathetic comment
add option: After NSW.
Thanks!
Add option: Before NSW.
Winner!
A week.
Banana benders are generally more compliant than the South West Sydney 'types'.
You don't know QLDers
I think he might. I visited Brisbane whilst not in lockdown and almost everyone was wearing a mask, and every shop had security - you didn't get in without a mask + check-in. Somehow I don't think what's how it is in Sydney.
I'm getting so over the interstate slagging of Sydney's lockdown, and interstate politics in general.
In Sydney where I am (inner city) everyone is wearing a mask when shopping (I've probably seen 1400 people shopping since lockdown started 7 weeks ago), with the exception of one person, who I told the supermarket staff about (they asked him to wear a mask, apparently he refused, they said he was an anti vaxxer nutter). A handful do that silly thing of not covering their nose. I'd say we're at as close to 100% compliance in my area as you can practically get.
Check in verification happens at Bunnings and McDonald's and most of the time at aldi. It doesn't happen at Coles and woolies and Officeworks. I'd like to see it everywhere. The only technical problem is my local shipping centre has no Telstra reception near Coles, and the centre's wifi does not work, and the check in app needs data to work, so checking in at my local Coles can be "interesting".
I can't comment on anywhere else in Sydney, I haven't been more than 5 km from home.
@nickj: The fact that thereās so many different stores accessible to the public is part of why there is slagging. Bunnings for example during Melbourne lockdown was only for tradies.
People shit on Victoria last year and now that the shoe is on the other foot itās all of a sudden unfair?
My brother in law is telling me people in Sydney are still playing tennis with each other. So while I canāt speak for your 5km radius thereās certainly a level of āIāll do what I wantā going on.
My brother in law is telling me people in Sydney are still playing tennis with each other
I have a number of my work colleagues in Sydney. A lot of them have family or holiday houses outside of Sydney. a few weeks into the current lockdown I know of at least 10 that have escaped and are working remotely from these properties. It just seems like a toothless lockdown that "others" need to do but not me.
Bunnings for example during Melbourne lockdown was only for tradies.
How I look at it is that if Kmart and Target are closed for in-store shopping, and are click and collect only, you're in a stage 4 lockdown.
We can quibble about the details (whether Bunnings is for tradies, whether a ring of steel is an effective measure [it wouldn't have stopped any interstate cases in this outbreak, for example], whether LGAs with high case loads should have testing for people leaving, whether construction should be shutdown completely or just restricted, and so forth).
But in broad picture terms, they're comparable.
People shit on Victoria last year and now that the shoe is on the
other foot itās all of a sudden unfair?
I didn't shit on Victoria. I don't read the Murdoch press, or agree with them. In fact, I've said repeatedly to other Sydney people, prior to this outbreak, that everything that happened to Melbourne could have happen to Sydney, and that Melbourne just had remarkably bad luck - the second wave could have fizzled near the beginning but didn't, and everything after the second wave was pure bad luck, and that Sydney had (up to this point) had remarkably good luck (such as our first Delta outbreak that appeared with no known source, were found quickly, and fizzled out - it could have gone so wrong then, but didn't - but our current and second Delta outbreak is a very different story, it's almost an everything that could go wrong did go wrong scenario). So yes, I can say something is unfair, now the roles are reversed, and be entirely self-consistent doing so.
My brother in law is telling me people in Sydney are still playing tennis with each other.
If it's one versus one, and you don't play anyone else, that should allowed under the current rules, I think. Honestly, it is sometimes hard to keep up with the rules, they do seem to change them every week or so. But more than that (to the best of my knowledge) it is not allowed.
@nickj: There are tiktoks in Sydney people chilling on the beach, no masks, no social distancing and crowded. In east Sydney.
Now Brisbane is literally deserted while sydney is living it up still.
I'm getting so over the interstate slagging of Sydney's lockdown, and interstate politics in general.
It's hard not to slag Sydney when all of the outbreaks and lockdowns elsewhere right now are directly caused by what's happening in Sydney - all of the seeding of cases in other states have all originated from Sydney.
In Sydney where I am (inner city) everyone is wearing a mask when shopping (I've probably seen 1400 people shopping since lockdown started 7 weeks ago)
The fact that you've seen 1400 people shopping since the lockdown started is direct evidence that whatever is happening up in Sydney is not working.
Nobody should be out shopping, everything should be closed. Supermarkets should only be for absolute emergencies, all shopping should be done with contactless delivery.
I can't comment on anywhere else in Sydney, I haven't been more than 5 km from home.
That doesn't really give you a good perspective…
FWIW, sure, a bit of the slagging is interstate rivalry. Don't pretend like Sydney folk haven't slagged us Melbourne folk last year when we were in lockdown. That part's all fun and games.
However, I think the undeniable truth is that the interstate sniping started off with Gladys (and arguably ScoMo) who took liberty to criticise Dan, which of course, has now backfired since Gladys pretty much put herself against the wall - either it was no lockdown, or lockdown and look silly. Unfortunately she chose the former to save face.
@p1 ama: The current Brisbane outbreak came from hotel quarantine not Sydney.
Melbournes most recent outbreaks had 2 sources. The Sydney removalists that the VIC government issued exemption passes to but didnāt implement any measures to ensure compliance. Then the Victorian family that returned from Sydney with the virus that refused to isolate and went out and about.
Sydney people criticised Melbourne last year because Victorians were acting like Dan was their saviour. No one could understand that because looking from the outside he was completely responsible for corrupt decisions made that led to hotel quarantine being run by incompetent idiots who spread covid and killed 800 people.
Followed by an expensive investigative inquiry where no one in the Andrewās government had a clue how anything happened or took any responsibility. Itās outrageous.
Itās baffling that a bunch of corrupt crooks got away with that and are now seen as heroes.
In Bondi, where the current outbreak started, there are only 7 active cases, the numbers are dropping cos these people are isolating.
People are out doing whatever they like cos thereās no covid in the Bondi community now.
The demographics of the western suburbs are different to the eastern suburbs so itās not as easy to manage an outbreak.
Over 2 million people, nearly half the city population is imprisoned in the west. Itās a population of greater ethnic diversity and lower socioeconomic class that has a much higher percentage of essential workers. Less people can work from home, households are larger and communicating the ever changing rules is more challenging.
Yes the government has lost control of the situation.
Of course a localised hard lock down in Bondi couldāve prevented this but it didnāt happen.
Sydney is going to be like this till the end of the year.
Sydney people donāt need to hear the NSW Government got it wrong, they all know that.
Two weeks ago NSW asked the other states for help contact tracing. Victoria said no.
The NSW government asked the other states for more vaccines, they all said no.
This situation is completely out of control, the NSW government canāt cope. They are all but admitting this and are asking for help and no one will help.
No one in Sydney wants to hear all that Gladys bashing and blaming.
We were begging Gladys to lock us down just as we begged her to close the border to Victoria last year. She never listens.
We are not all a bunch of Liberal voters. We are people caught up in something thatās not our own doing.
People in Sydney are dying, have lost their income and are stripped of their civil liberties. We are scared and angry.
Help us get out of this in one piece without slagging every single one of us off.
Sydney people criticised Melbourne last year because Victorians were acting like Dan was their saviour. No one could understand that because looking from the outside he was completely responsible for corrupt decisions made that led to hotel quarantine being run by incompetent idiots who spread covid and killed 800 people.
I agree that the decisions made around hotel quarantine were completely inept. However, I also do think that even with different decisions made around hotel quarantine, there would have been a leak at some point (as evidenced by every other state).
By your own logic, nobody looking from the outside in would understand why Gladys would put her own face and hubris ahead of the wellbeing of the state she is elected to serve. If you're claiming that Dan is responsible for the VIC outbreak, then by the same logic, Gladys is responsible for NSW, doubly so because she could have chosen to learn the lesson from what happened in VIC.
This situation is completely out of control, the NSW government canāt cope. They are all but admitting this and are asking for help and no one will help.
It's because nobody is in a position to help. Gladys is simply just trying to divert blame by putting it onto the other states. On the point about vaccines, there's plenty of supply of AZ, so again, just all bluster from NSW.
No one in Sydney wants to hear all that Gladys bashing and blaming.
And yet you open your post with good old Dan bashing.
People in Sydney are dying, have lost their income and are stripped of their civil liberties. We are scared and angry.
Well direct your blame at the right people - (i) Gladys for her incompetent management of your state's public health, and (ii) ScoMo for bungling the vaccine rollout, and (iii) ATAGI for flip-flopping on vaccine advice that's now left us with a 15% vaccination rate instead of a > 50% vaccination rate if everyone had taken the AZ
They are all but admitting this and are asking for help and no one will help.
I'm seriously confused here.
Gladys is fronting pressers randomly and is embarrassing herself with pointing fingers at every other state, while making fun of every other state when they where in lockdown - shoes on the other foot and you're saying they've all but admitting they need help well ASK FOR HELP, Gladys, and stop being a stick in the mud.
@ThithLord: LOL. Gladys and Scomo. The gold standard managers in ensuring contact tracing, their handling of the vaccine rollout keeps virus numbers down and economies open. Either of them couldnāt manage to organise a piss up in pub.
@justgooddeals: I'd recommend following Michael West (a fantastic independent journalist) who will be posting an article in the coming days called "Friends & Enemies" about all the effed things this Fed Government has done under the guise of COVID measures. They want COVID to run rampant because of all the horrible policy/legislation they can ram through. It's scary.
The fact that you've seen 1400 people shopping since the lockdown started is direct evidence that whatever is happening up in Sydney is not working.
Yeah lol, wtf. It was like a ghost town here in Perth during our lockdowns.
all of the seeding of cases in other states have all originated from Sydney.
I would have thought that was an argument to help us get on top of it? We can barely help or protect ourselves right now, so I don't see how you're surprised that despite best efforts it keeps getting out. I would assume it will continue to escape until we eliminate it, unfortunately.
The fact that you've seen 1400 people shopping
Seeing 200 people per shop in a mid-sized shopping centre (one with a Coles, Aldi, Kmart, Target, Apple store) is actually pretty quiet. I'd estimate I'd see around 500 people per shop outside of lockdown, so around 40% of the usual shoppers, and only the essential stuff is open (Kmart and Target are closed, only allowing click and collect). And this week 6 of the lockdown - for a short lockdown like in Perth, people can just use what's in the freezer, but after 6 weeks, people do need to buy more food.
Nobody should be out shopping, everything should be closed. Supermarkets
should only be for absolute emergencies, all shopping should be done with
contactless delivery.
Have you ever actually been in a lockdown like that? There is not the labour force to make that happen. I'll just do a contactless delivery at aldi…. oh whoopsie, they don't do it (not in Melbourne second wave, not in Brisbane, not in Perth, not in Adelaide, etc, etc) - so if you've seen this somewhere, please do share details of this mythical service. Okay, I'll just contactless delivery from my GPs those scripts I need. Oh they don't do it either. And I'll get the medicines delivered from the local chemist - oh they don't either. And then there's lots places where if they do deliver, to get free delivery and not get whacked with a decent delivery fee, you have a crazy high spend ($100 at Harris Farms for fruit & veg comes to mind). Nice idea in theory, completely not how the world works in practice - and I have to operate within real world as it actually exists around me.
Don't pretend like Sydney folk haven't slagged us Melbourne folk last
year when we were in lockdown.
Geez, who hurt you?! I didn't slag Melbourne. Other Sydney folk no doubt did, but I thought it was stupid and shortsighted for many reasons - a) "there but for the grace of god go I" was my first, second, and third thought during Melb's second wave, b) you don't kick someone when they're down, c) if you do kick someone when they're down, they are going to remember that for a VERY long time, a lot longer than the person doing the kicking.
That part's all fun and games.
Over sport, or who hosts an event, sure, go for it. I don't think it's all fun and games when people start going to hospital or even dying. We already passed Melbourne's peak in Sydney's for number of people in ICU, and will shortly pass your numbers for hospital admissions and people on ventilators. And we are nowhere near the peak yet (still being investigated + in community whilst infectious + partially in community = the the number to watch, and it keeps going up and up, this is nowhere near over). When there is actual harm going on, it is no longer a game.
I agree that the decisions made around hotel quarantine were completely inept.
And NSW has been completely inept in many ways too, including but not limited to: Ruby princess; Not giving vaccines to Vic when they asked for them setting a horrendous precedent; Not supporting Vic's request for federal financial support during lockdowns after jobkeeper ended; Not recognizing that Delta was different; Not locking down sooner or harder.
Look, all the states have stuffed up, in many and varied ways. But it's a one in a hundred year pandemic. Stuff is going to go wrong. I'm over blame, and I'm over political games, and I'm over the Murdoch press creating internal conflict to sell newspapers or get viewers (because that worked out so well for the UK during Brexit, and for the US during their 2016 election, and for the US during their 2020 election, etc etc). Let's just get through this please, and focus on fighting the virus, not each other.
I would have thought that was an argument to help us get on top of it?
Completely agree, but how exactly does another state "help"? Again, I think that calls of help are just a political ploy to point the finger at someone else.
When other states do help, e.g. Dan suggesting to build a "ring of steel" around Sydney - it's met with animosity despite us having a "ring of steel" around Melbourne for over 100 days last year (it was even literally called a "ring of steel").
Seeing 200 people per shop in a mid-sized shopping centre (one with a Coles, Aldi, Kmart, Target, Apple store) is actually pretty quiet. I'd estimate I'd see around 500 people per shop outside of lockdown, so around 40% of the usual shoppers, and only the essential stuff is open
During the peak of the Melbourne lockdown, shopping centres were literally a ghost town. You're talking like a Woolworths/Coles with like maybe 10 - 20 people max.
Have you ever actually been in a lockdown like that? There is not the labour force to make that happen.
Yes, that's what the Melbourne lockdown was like. I feel like this is the issue with Sydney right now - there's just a complete and utter lack of awareness of how other states do it and how all of these problems have literally been solved many times before.
I'll just contactless delivery from my GPs those scripts I need. Oh they don't do it either.
They actually do - I got a prescription from my GP via tele-health (video conferencing). I sent that script to a pharmacy to be fulfilled and they sent out my medication via the post. Worked out really well!
Geez, who hurt you?! I didn't slag Melbourne. Other Sydney folk no doubt did
Not me personally, but I meant more broadly. If you want a prime example of slagging, it's your own premier - how often did Gladys (for no reason other than to score cheap political points) snipe at other premiers. Not just limited to Dan, but also WA, SA, QLD…etc. I agree that these things should not be political, but the unfortunate reality is that it has turned political, as most things seem to do these days.
Stuff is going to go wrong. I'm over blame, and I'm over political games, and I'm over the Murdoch press creating internal conflict to sell newspapers or get viewers (because that worked out so well for the UK during Brexit, and for the US during their 2016 election, and for the US during their 2020 election, etc etc). Let's just get through this please, and focus on fighting the virus, not each other.
Well, you were also the one saying that NSW would be better off without the rest of Australia and that your relationship with the rest of Australia may never recover.
Anyway, I don't wish ill on Sydney. You'd never know it, but outside of Melbourne, Sydney is where I spend the most time. I'm sure that's probably true for the vast majority of people down here. Criticism made of NSW and/or its lockdown comes from a genuine place. Melbourne was in lockdown for 112 days last year so I get it.
@p1 ama: The issue i think in general a lot of sydneysiders (and im sure melbournians last year) had was that most of the city (90% +) are doing the right things. The city is more or less a ghost town, movement data shows that theres less movement than Melbourne at the height of its lockdown.
Of course there are people flaunting the rules and there are social media or even mainstream media that blows it up, thats what gets the clicks and views after all. But the majority of the city is not like that and are already sick of the situation.
Personally, while I believe that there is a time to review and reflect on what was done and what could be done better, now is not the time for that as we're still in the middle of the situation. We should be working to get out of it in everyway possible then start to work out who did what and why they should be sacked.
One other thing to keep in mind as to why Gladys and the NSW LNP party actually has a fair amount of political goodwill (that they're burning right now) is that over the last decade or so they've actually been actively building major infrastructure and things around the city at quite a rapid pace. Theres always semantics in the poltics as to whether its done efficiently or cost effectively. but at the end of the day they've actually delivered the infrastructure projects that the old NSW labor dragged their feet on.
what does a 3 day lock down achieve? doesn't it need to be longer?
They forgot to mention zero at the back of 3
Time to do the contact tracing?
It will likely be longer - Iām surprised it wasnāt announced sooner. If weāre lucky 1-2 weeks.
To stop infected people from unknowingly going around and spreading, to give people a chance to go and get tested, to slow any transmission so that cases can be more easily traced…etc.
If the aim is to keep cases at zero (whether that should be the goal is a different discussion), then the best course of action is what QLD is doing.
add option, before Olympics is coming.
It could go either way. The exposure site at Indooroopilly High School has 2500 students. Plus it's a family of five. Two other kids potentially spreading the virus.
Adults tend to be more hygienic and have personal space boundaries, but if my kids are anything to go by (Last week I had to ask the six year old to stop licking a railing at a park) there might be a few more cases popping up.
The kids are teenagers.
So still into licking things. Hopefully not railings though.
Sadly you never know.
Do you even lick?
.
you're probably overrating surface infection, there's plenty of evidence that this virus spread primarily through airborne aerosol so stop worry too much about touching the door knob and then your face, instead pray that no one in the same room breath out the virus because if they do then only luck will help you.
So my six year old can safely continue to sample railings across neighbourhoods, and rate them based on taste, grit, flavour and texture? Fabulous.
Grit is part of texture my 6 year old says
@serpserpserp: I was instructed as it had a combination of flavour and texture it deserved a category of its own. As his palate expands so do the categories.
Not just kids. Usually disgusted by people who lick their fingers after eating but even more so now. What is the point of wearing a face mask in public, then removing it to eat, then lick your fingers then proceed to touch everything in public space including chairs, tables, door handles etc
I've seen this way too many times including on a domestic flight a few days ago
Hot tip: find something better to do than look at others on a flight. If I noticed the other people in the flight I wouldn't survive until take off.
Only you would think that's a hot tip. Being completely unaware of your surrounding is not a hot tip. That is being stupid
I feel for you. Some of the stuff I see people do makes me pretty uncomfortable that a country's livelihood is potentially impacted by a few of them. Normally I'm all for natural selection and let idiots just fall off the edge but doesn't work like that during a pandemic
Why was the kid licking a railing? wtf?
When I was 6 I wasn't licking rails
Get Gladys onto the case and then I'm saying January 2022.
Anastasia will have this over in 10 days.
Leave our GoldLadyStandard alone!
Can we just build a wall around NSW?
And let the Mexicans you guys paid for it. ^_^;
You can try but it will never work. Our special elite removalists will find a way around it.
The simple fact is: we would be better off without you.
Hahahahahhahhhahahahahaaaaaaahahah
yet it's actually the harshest lockdown the country has had
Maybe, if people actually followed the restrictions. There were people in the thousands protesting in the street without masks last weekend. Thereās all the examples given above too of people going to holiday homes, crowded beaches etc. restrictions were way too late and super lenient at the start or the outbreak eg you could have 10ppl exercising together at the start of this outbreak.
I agree this shouldnāt be about state borders, rather about actual hotspots. The problem is when people donāt follow the rules, the others states find it much easier to simply shut the border.
Re sharing vaccines, do you think NSW would share with other states if it was be other way round? Pretty much all the states are battling outbreaks and trying to avoid getting into the same situation as nsw. There is no shortage of AZ vaccine either. So people have that option. Places like QLD are still working through getting all health workers vaccinated, with some needing their second dose in the appropriate timeframe so it wouldnāt make sense to donate vaccines to NSW at this stage. If we use your logic, Australia shouldnāt have any vaccines at all and would have donated all of our stock to countries battling larger scale outbreaks.
Thereās not actually great data for hotel quarantine, but I would guess that NSW is taking the majority partially because thatās where the majority of the arrivals intend to live/stay once out of quarantine. At a guess would say about 50% of those arriving in Australia intend to live in Sydney, itās an international city with high numbers of new migrants, always has been.
Anyway, donāt take comments about walls to heart - jovial interstate rivalry is part of Australian culture. Pretty much everyone has a connection to Sydney and wants things to improve. Itās only the residents of Sydney who can improve things through their actions now. There isnāt enough Pfizer comirnaty vaccine in Australia to help NSW at this stage, even if it all went to Sydney.
You should know that anyone with enough money can travel across the walls in this country. Anastacia, Hollywood stars, tennis players, business owners…
I'm kinda sick of seeing one state blaming the others, and all of them making political decisions instead of evidence-based decisions to make sure we leave this shit better as a nation.
I'm getting to a point in which I am hoping this virus spreads equally to all states just so the premiers stop with the bullshit every time a state has an outbreak, which has been every week or so.
BTW:
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-richest-and-the-poorā¦
Has anyone looked at the "lockdown" fine print? You are classified as an "essential worker" simply if you can't do your job from home. Everyone can go to work as normal.
Edit - misread your comment. I agree
Yep, for Qld, this is correct - if you canāt do your work at home you can go to work. To be fair itās not particularly fine print, itās on the front page. ā Essential work is work that cannot be done from your homeā https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronā¦
I wasn't suggesting it was hidden, probably a poor choice of words, just that it's not exactly a "lock down". It will just be business as usual, same as the last "lock down".
I think thereās a few other differences this time. Like no gatherings whatsoever other than tiny (10 people) weddings or funerals. Also you need to wear a mask even for out door exercise (no one was doing this when I went for a walk at about 430pm except me).
I was kind of hoping not to have to wear a mask at the beach, as that seems a bit weird since the beaches are not crowded at all, but seems like itās mandatory. Also the 10km other than for work is different. Feel semi ripped off because 9.5km is ocean to the east, but have absolutely everything I need and more within 10km.
@morse: That's the thing, wearing a mask at the beach is basically completely pointless, as you say, no one is there anyway.
If it makes you feel better, I have the water not even 1km away, but we are stuck inside until Fri the 13th š.
just that it's not exactly a "lock down". It will just be business as usual, same as the last "lock down".
Which is a good thing IMO - from experience, we've gotten better at figuring out where super-spreader events are likely to occur, so lockdowns can be more targeted and don't have to be everything.
Needs to be read in line with what businesses/events are allowed to stay open though.
So IF your work is open AND you can't work from home, THEN you are an essential worker that can leave.
Where did you get that information from?
I spoke directly with health department metro North, and they told me, and confirmed, what I have posted above.
Well, it's kind of logical that your work has to be open for you to go to work right? And there's a list of businesses and activities in the locked down areas that must close during the lockdown period unless an exception applies on the page I linked.
So if you work in those businesses/activities and you can't work from home, then you can't do your work…
@NigelTufnel: Just because they aren't open to the public, or face to face, doesn't mean there isn't still work to be done…
@brendanm: I mean, you've obviously spoken to Qld heath about your circumstance, so that's fine…
But your original statement of "Everyone can go to work as normal." is wrong.
@NigelTufnel: Sadly not my situation, my situation is sitting inside while wasting all my sick leave for no reason.
You are correct, everyone cannot carry on as normal, the vast majority probably can though.
I think everyone knows the formula ( Heavy and Hard ) for tackling this especially with Glady's incompetence .
With that being the case possible weeks not mths .
No option for it ending early?
AFL doesn't think so with the scramble going on .
If the stupid anti vaxxers and anti lockdown idiots in QLD have learnt nothing from the experience of NSW, good chance it will be longer than a week.
If everyone keeps up with the good job we have done over the last year, hopefully 7 days.
If the stupid anti vaxxers and anti lockdown idiots in QLD have learnt nothing from the experience of NSW, good chance it will be longer than a week.
That's what happens when people get their news from the Rupert Murdoch propaganda machine.
I know a old white guy, about 60-70, consumes Sky News, he has the most outrageous ideas on what freedom, liberty and oppression are….. Here's totally white trash.
Not sure why you got so many negs for saying
the Rupert Murdoch propaganda machine.
I know a old white guy, about 60-70, consumes Sky News
Itās actually true. Sky news after dark especially Alan Jones, Craig Kelly(liberal party MP) and Bolt have been pushing the argument hard that the delta variant is not as dangerous as the alpha variant. Hence lockdowns are really not necessary.
Watch Media watch (2minutes in) On the ABC for an example.
https://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/episodes/jones/13450962
Or
https://www.smh.com.au/national/if-sky-can-put-jones-dangeroā¦
Sky news eventually withdrew the claim and footage from their website as it was such a weak, dangerous and misleading claim.
Yeah there's quite a number of pro Sky News, Fox News, Rupert Murdoch people people on OzBargain. I actually find the negs amusing, even more so when they don't post any comment.
@aspirepranesh: Some on OzBargain believe in the Rupert Murdoch propaganda machine. They believe news from such as the likes of ABC and SBS news are far left radical propaganda machines, the Australian government is an oppressor and they are fighting the good fight i.e. for freedom and democracy……
There's a few people on OzBargain who I know fit the above brain dead description, but I won't be posting their names publicly and risk getting in the sin bin.
The old white trash guy I mentioned above, was a former work colleague, he bullied me for nearly a year cause I got my news from ABC and SBS, and thought the Rupert Murdoch press was a far right propaganda machine. One time while I was conducting an inspection for my manager, he lost his shits and went off swearing and threatened to beat me until I was black and blue - literally cannot explain how threating and angry he was, I literally thought he was going to kill me. Well I ended up leaving that job.
So yeah, that white trash guy told me he gets all his news from Sky News and other Rupert Murdoch outlet's. He literally believes he's being oppressed my a semi socialist government. He told me and tried to convince others at work not to download the COVID tracing app because the government is no doubt planning to use it for nefarious purposes. He also tried to convince myself and others at work not to use the QR codes and sign in sheets when entering a business because the government will no doubt use the data to build up a profile of everyone and anyone and this can be used to oppress people, or even if the left try to seize power and use the data to find out who knows who and then oppress them…… The guy was literally sucking on the worst of Rupert Murdochs 'news' sources', he literally thinks he's being oppressed by the government……
So yeah, just like that white trash guy there are no doubt people on OzBargain who consume the Rupert Murdoch propaganda machine and believe it. I've even gotten into heated arguments on OzBargain over Rupert Murdoch. I know a few people on here who actually believe the worst that comes out of the Rupert Murdoch propaganda machine.
Second Queensland outbreak from hospital quarantine? Maybe they need to have a look at that…
I'm betting/hoping 1 week, then an easing back over the next few weeks. Sharply stopping and going back to close to no restrictions just mask mandate doesn't make much sense to me, when you can have people incubating virus for up to 2 weeks.
I don't think this will be 3 days. This is far worse situation than any of our previous snap 3 day lock downs. There's still an unknown mode of transmission here, and many more cases of a nastier variant who have been to a lot more locations with dense populations to spread it to.
I'll also vote 10 days. That's what Victoria had for Lockdown 5.0, and probably what Queensland will need to squash it. Expect mask wearing in the LGAs until the end of August, and probably restrictions on gatherings for the month too.
I'd say the 3-day period will probably extend to a week.
Unless there are more twats from NSW trying to sneak in, in which case, it will be most of August.