How Do You View 'Ethical' Clothing?

Animal welfare vs Environmental impact vs both in clothing materials

When I shop for clothes, I try to find clothes made of animal materials (e.g. wool/alpaca knit jumpers/ genuine leather shoes) for two reasons:

  • they're usually better quality (like warmth in winter)
  • when they eventually break down/get thrown out, they'll degrade faster

And to my understanding about non-animal materials:

  • 'Vegan' leather is usually PU Leather (polyurethane leather, made of thermoplastic polymer) which I think is basically another petrol derivative that's a type of plastic?
  • And opting for Polyester/Acrylic/Nylon knitted clothes are basically types of plastics too

So these things would essentially last a shorter time (quality wise) but when we decide to throw them out, they won't degrade as fast because they're basically plastic. Plus for fibres like polyester, the fibres often come loose in washing machines and go on to pollute the ocean with plastic micro bits.

In my view, the environment suffers either way and it's lose-lose. I may as well be warm

Obviously genuine materials like wool and leather are typically more expensive, but there are plenty of marked up 'plastic' clothes that has a pretty price tag just because of the designer/brand - which I think hasn't always been the case. I remember being able to buy a H&M 100% Wool jumper for ~$40 full-price. I also often thrift-shop and there's a LOT of high-quality material clothes for pennies (latest find was a wool/cashmere jumper for $5)

So.. which ethical perspective do we take when we're shopping for clothes? Do we take one at all?

Poll Options

  • 18
    I buy animal material clothes - I worry about the environment
  • 4
    I buy animal material clothes - they're better quality (i don't really care about the environment)
  • 7
    I buy non-animal material clothes - I worry about animal welfare
  • 2
    I buy non-animal material clothes - they're cheaper
  • 51
    I have no opinion on any of these, I'll buy what looks best and is cheapest

Comments

  • +2

    I don't.

  • +1

    "Ethical" in fashion? chuckles I'm in Danger

    • +1

      User avatar doesn't check out

  • +5

    There is a huge jump between using wool / alpaca, and using leather.
    Not many animals survive the leather extraction process.

    I'm not saying there isn't animal welfare issues with sheep etc., but it is generally in the interests of everyone to keep the animal alive and healthy for as long as feasible.

    • No sheep and alpacas survive wool farming - all these animals end up in the slaughterhouse when their outputs drop below what their offspring can be exploited for.

  • which ethical perspective do we take when we're shopping for clothes?

    Buy what you need, a couple of good tops, pants, jackets, etc… items would last and should only replaced they are worn out. Don't keep buy new clothes to be "trendy", as this is wasteful.

  • +1
    • when they eventually break down/get thrown out, they'll degrade faster

    What.

    With how treated everything is, the "leather" won't degrade, you realise that? and it's not just about how it degrades after end of life, what about the materials and energy that went into making it.

    I remember being able to buy a H&M 100% Wool jumper for ~$40 full-price.

    And who do you think suffered in a third world country to bring you that jacket? you seem to only be concetrating on the environment impacts, not the human.

    100% wool or made "using 100% wool" because that can mean it's 10% wool but that 10% wool is definitely 100% wool ;) and not all "wool" is created equal, just like leather. The leather in my motorcycle jacket is not the same as the "leather" in your belt.

  • +1

    I have no opinion on any of these, I'll buy what is best value

    Depends if I just want normal wear or if I want something to take overseas in cold weather. Price tag is relative somewhat to duty of product and purposes. Within that realm, I'll buy whatever is a bargain at the time.

  • -1

    My clothes last really long so I don't really consider environmental impacts.

    At the moment, I only try to consider ethical impacts and the only thing I'm avoiding is Chinese owned brands that use cotton (Uighur/Xinjiang issue). That's the only systematic one I'm aware of at least.

    • +1

      Wouldn't that be Australian cotton? Well, from a cotton farm in Australia, owned by a Chinese company.

      • Nah I would be okay with that. I guess more Chinese based and owned then. I'm not too picky though; I do what I can.

  • +1

    Elaine: Hey, is that real fur?

    Jerry: Oh boy.

    Eva: It better be or my ex-husband owes me an explanation.

  • +1

    if you ever set foot in a tannery you'll never buy anything leather again.

    • +1 to restore to neutral.

      Lots of chemicals being used in facilities with questionable disposal standards. In addition a lot of it is done in countries with questionable labour standards.

      That is just tip of the iceberg.

      • i think it is with a lot of things. if you see the process and conditions in which most things are made, it will certainly put you off.

      • Yes - the "leather is natural" bullshit is easy to debunk if you want to open your eyes for a minute.

  • +2

    There is probably not a one size fits all answer.

  • +3

    Your poll has created a false dichotomy between animal welfare and caring for the environment.

    Leather replacements don't always have to be plastic. There's growing options processed from mycelium, cactus, pineapple, etc. Synthetic fibre shedding can be addressed with a washer bag like Guppyfriend bag or a lint filter (I'd love one but renting). I have a toasty synthetic down jacket and sleeping bag made from recycled plastics. This is of course ignoring that we can choose which fabrics, buy used, reduce consumption etc

  • I buy a mix of everything. Natural and synthetic fibres, second hand and new.

    I’d love to see more recycling of clothes into other materials, some places do this but probably not enough - ie not available in all regions.

    I’m interested in getting a micro plastic filter for my washing machine - hubby is less keen.

    You’re right, it is a bit of a lose/lose scenario, but second hand or made from recycled materials seem like good options, where possible.

  • +3

    So.. which ethical perspective do we take when we're shopping for clothes?

    Ethical perspective is to stop buying clothes. I know people who have wardrobes and wardrobes full of clothes they've worn once.

    I've gotten rid of my clothes save for a few t-shirts/shorts/trackies/hoodies that I wear to sleep, a few nicer polo/button shirts and chinos that I wear out of the house, and business shirts and 3 business suits that I wear to work, a few jackets I wear when it's cold and that's that. I don't throw things out unless they actually no longer fit or are worn. I've not bought new clothes in over a year.

    Genuinely feel much happier - takes up less space, easier to pack for a trip, easier to maintain and wash…etc.

  • In my view, the environment suffers either way and it's lose-lose. I may as well be warm

    Your birthday suit is the most ethical piece of clothing. But then the shrivel….

    Simply put, if it's not the vegans, then it's the environmentalists. And if it's not them, then it'll be someone else - someone's going to have something to say about anything you do. So you do what's best for you.

  • I used to work in one of the op shops, we used to say that they don't make them like they used to. That practically applied to anything.
    Furniture, clothes, shoes, etc etc.

    It could also be that things that we could use were in decent quality, so we only remember the good quality made products.

    As with the environmental point… frankly I don't really see it. I do wear clothes until I can't wear them anymore?

  • "I only source the most unethical Dalmatians due to my lust for vengance, apparently"

    — Cruella, probably

  • This OzB … price is king.

  • +1

    if you're really into the environment you'd ditch all these so called shops and buy 2nd hand….st vinnies, cash converters, antique shops etc,
    same goes for cars- save the world buy buy an electric car,.right….or just keep the one you've got-much better for the environment.

    • You forgot "second hand" in front of electric.

  • +2

    Why are labour standards not a big consideration in this discussion?

    I'd rather consider how the clothes were made in terms of the labour standards the clothes were made in, as well as the environmental impact than anything else.

    But in general one of the biggest problems around ethical clothing is accessibility and affordability.

  • Why would I kill or harm an animal when I don't need to?

    • You don't need to destroy plants either if you come hang out with me down at the nudist beach.

    • Do you work in an abattoir?

      • Sometimes our actions have direct consequences. Other times they are less direct.

  • Better if the poll was just 2 options. Natural or synthetic. Natural fibres are cotton, wool, leather etc. Synthetics are polyester, pu leather, Nylon etc. Neither natural or synthetic are good for the environment. Mother Nature wants you to be nude :)

  • Geez I'm surprised at the amount of people who choose the last option…I have shoes and clothes made from recycled material. Also try buying clothes from the op shop

  • Without going all 'Porter's Laws of Competitive Advantage' on OzB, clothing sellers try to differentiate their products such that the differentiation they add has utility to a particular market segment or population of clothes shoppers. If their differentiation resonates with a large enough population of the clothes buying marketplace or if they find a profitable niche then this differentiation will be successful for them. There needs to be enough people out there in the world prepared to pay the 'ethical differentiation' premium, people for whom it is worth whatever the added premium to the price is because for them whatever the 'ethical' tag represents has meaning for them. In other words there needs to be enough people prepared to pay extra for an 'ethical' product.

    There will be folks all over the population that are very passionate about this but I don't think mainstream consumers see enough utility in the 'ethical' tag to pay the premium. I see some suggesting buying second hand clothes, once again, there will be a part of the population prepared to do that but we are probably in the minority (I've done it). I think most people would like to think they are doing some good and buying the right stuff but the question comes down to the price of the utility added by the 'ethical' differentiation. Personally, if I had 2 identical T-Shirts, one marked 'ethical', another with no marking/branding. The ethical T-Shirt was $50 and the non branded T-Shirt was $20, I'd buy the $20 T-Shirt. As a general rule I dont buy $50 T-Shirts for any reason, it would have to be an amazing T-Shirt for me to even consider spending $50 on it. The 'Ethical' differentiation from the marketing team wouldn't be enough to get me to pay the extra. If the non branded T-Shirt was still $20 and the 'Ethical' T-Shirt was $22, I might spend the extra 10% for a warm fuzzy feeling that I was doing some good in the world.

  • Ignoring the animal vs non animal argument for a second, I think argument that really matters is the human ethics one. Big example being slave labour still used in Chinese cotton fields. Of course not everyone can afford Australian grown cotton shirts, but it raises an interesting dilemma. Even a made in Malaysia or Vietnam shirt can still have an unethical supply chain. Perhaps Indian textiles are a step above, but the working conditions still aren't perfect.

    I think we can at least agree that fast fashion does not help anyone in the end. It forces a race to the bottom and consumers end up with clothes that don't last a single wash.

    On to the animal side, it's important to remember leather cows and beef/dairy cows arent always the same. Either way material research is getting really close to good synthetic leathers and for the most part leather goods aren't essential items, fabric belts, v e l c r o wallets and a pair of heelies will have you looking like the coolest boss.

  • -1

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  • the only ethical clothing is 2nd hand the rest is greenwashing rubbish

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