Seems like a very cheap way to upgrade a standard modem to have 1.2gbps and mimo
Linksys Business LAPAC1200C Dual Band Wireless Access Point $69 (RRP $224) + Delivery ($0 C&C) @ Umart
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Do you know what the difference is? I can see any
AC1200 has (866+300). Maximum supported connection speed, 866MHz 5ghz and 300MHz 2.4GHz.
Do even GHzs have MHzs these days?
I remember simpler times.
@grumpybum: Bandwidth is indeed measured in Hz. It is literally the width of a frequency band. This is the traditional definition.
How fast one can push data through such bandwidth is called throughput. But in computing sense, people use bandwidth interchangeably with throughput and therefore bps (bits per second) to measure bandwidth. So it's not wrong to say bandwidth is measured in both Hz and bps.
@grumpybum: Mnke used the incorrect units to describe bandwidth available to the 2 different AC frequencies. But I was referring to your question "So bandwidth is measured in MHz now?"
@gazzas: And in this instance, it is not - bandwidth is still a perfectly valid word to use in place of throughput in computing terms.
At the end of the day though, I was making a joke and you've sucked the fun out of it.@grumpybum: You are not getting the point of my message. I never disputed the use of term "bandwidth" in this thread. I was merely pointing out that the unit of bandwidth can be both Hz and bps.
Besides the speed, it's also 3:3 MIMO.
I got 2 of the 1750's in January 2019 for $129each at Umart (one inside and the other on the outside wall in backyard). They are great. I'll get another 2 now because…. I can.
Thanks for the post!
I bought last night shortly after the post, but already having buyers regret - Uncertain if good buyWhich did you buy the 1200 or 1750?
If you need business grade features, and know how to actuallyuse them, like captive portal, and cloud monitoring, its a good buy.
If its just for home, well, your call.
Can you explain how the outside setup works? I assume you haven't got ethernet cabling to your outside wall, does the 2nd ap act as repeater?
I'm keen to improve my wifi coverage in my backyard. A pair of these might do it?
I have an ethernet cable running to the outside wall from my Gig network switch. The 5Ghz speed is damn quick. I can do all video conferencing calls from the backyard Lounge.
Nothing wrong with this 1200, as it's still much much faster than the internet you're just pushing around your home, but 1750 never hurt for $20 extra!
Looks great to replace my old nonAC wireless access point.
Wonder how the range is on these without external aerials?Aerials dont mean that much. The old cisco 35/3600s we used had exceptional range with internals.
Also ac1750 is like literally 5-6 yr old speeds.
The above is fine if you're SME and want to run a managed same brand setup.
Home users better off with ac2600 or better gear… or better still any of the new wifi6 class units.
not even my high end new motherboard's card supports more than ac1700
Sorry but that's terrible advice. 2600+ is just a waste of money. 1200 is the lowest I'd really suggest. 1700+ is a solid speed. A mesh/cable back haul and a few slower APs will serve much better.
Home users are often better with SLOWER speeds than a business. A home user will typically just be piping internet around a house. Most won't be pulling large quantities of data off a server.
There will be some instances where this doesn't apply, but not often.
My last ac2600 router was $60.
I strongly disagree.
I think many households now run gaming and streaming off nas boxes and the like and want high speed wifi. Many households ARE pulling large data sets off their own servers… like high res video. Why do you think there's such a big business in wifi gaming routers.
Most businesses I've consulted with have low volume needs for wifi… most with std. office apps and the like and low res videos.
But hey what do I know, I've only been consulting in wifi for the last decade or so…
@tonyjzx: What a load of nonsense. If you got an ac2600 router for $60 that's like a one off sale not a regular occurrence. Most households definitely do not run gaming and streaming off NAS boxes. Most households wouldn't even have a NAS box to begin with. People that run "high res video" to stream from a NAS box are usually only streaming at Netflix like bitrates which is not very demanding. "Gaming" branding is a gimmick, these routers would use the same chips and hardware as vanilla routers. The stereotype of business grade vs consumer grade isn't about individual usage, it's about how many people will be using it simultaneously.
@BROKENKEYBOARD: Thats the difference between a consultant and an engineer.
He gets to tell people what they want.
i get to shake my head as I configure it and watch the logs.
Wifi is a "polite" technology, if it's congested, each device will wait its turn.
The very idea that less than a 10 person household could possibly saturate a wireless connection more than a business is laughable.
Even if people WERE serving high quality video files off a NAS, MU-MIMO will ensure thats a smooth experience (which this device lacks unfortunately).
As for his rhetoric around gaming routers, its because mu-mimo is important, "gaming" is a great buzzword for sales, and the firmware is tailored for "gaming" features, like ip geofencing.
It's not due to a hardware feature (except maybe mu-mimo)
@tonyjzx: Yeah nah.
866mbps is going to be fine for nearly every single household out there. I can pull nearly 650mbps over mine.
When am I going to need to transfer more than 250gb per hour over WiFi?
Slower speeds are worse for actual physical airtime. You want a faster connection that transmits hard and fast and then STFUs.
@Zorlin: Very true, but unless you're using a no ACK protocol, the stupid devices still have to respond to the whole "need me? No? Ok next…" calls from the router.
Whack your gaming or latency critical devices on their own radio (5ghz) and let the family share the 2.4ghz.
Lock it to exclusively "N only", this will greatly improve their experience, as several transmit speeds can be "skipped" during the routers negotiation, and also ensures MIMO is enforced.
Oh yeah my bad. Its Mbps. Should be:
AC1200 has (866+300). Maximum supported connection speed, 866Mbps 5ghz and 300Mbps 2.4GHz.i would imagine the base model ubiquti units may be a better deal if you really need a few of these for SME use
seems linksys discontinued these
WAP for 69 sniggers
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What happen after the 5 years cloud licence? Can they be locally managed without that?
Yes. U can locally manage and use this without the cloud function.
No delivery to VIC….. weird
I ordered last night. No problems for Melbourne delivery.
No in store for VIC, delivery is Australia wide
Isn’t mesh more popular now?
Not if you have a small house/unit and one of these covers it if located centrally. I have the Ubiquiti AP LR which covers my whole duplex. No need for Mesh
Wired backhaul should be better than mesh
Mesh is popular because it's easy to setup with 802.11r built-in. AP with wired back haul generally a lot more robust, reliable and faster but innitial setup is hard
Any annual subscription?
No annual sub. Comes with 5yrs free cloud management. But these are discontinued model. Interface are not as mature as ubiquiti. But all U need is set and forget. Don't expect active firmware release on these.
I was looking at getting the https://www.centrecom.com.au/ubiquiti-unifi-ap-ac-long-range… but saw OPs deal. Can anyone give me advice i.e. whats the difference / is one better than the other. Any assistance greatly appreciated.
My experience with the Unifi AP AC LR was terrible - management interface was great but hardware let me down - first unit had a ticking noise (like something was crawling around in it - known issue, google it), sent it back and was provided with a replacement with the same problem (not as bad this time, but could still hear it) - Ubiquiti claimed it was normal for the AP to have some noise! On top of that, range was mediocre at best - did not see a difference between my TP-Link older AP and this… have not used a recent Linksys product, so can't compare.
If you "need help" setting up wifi, you'll love ubiquiti.
If you're familiar with it, and just want your darn access point to work, prepare to throw it out the damn window.
if you have Ubiquiti kit, then the Ubiquiti AP works a great. Not sure how it goes with other personally I wouldn't mix & match unless you're up for some possible troubleshooting fun/headaches.
As for the claims the range is terrible. I suspect that's more of a configuration or faulty equipment loud ticking sounds shouldn't happen.
I had a Ubiquiti lite AP, then added a pro AP and there was a hugh difference in range (the lite was fine for a townhouse, but the pro meant I got workable signal at any of my neighbours backyards/decks & some inside areas). But also remember it's two.way, so your device needs the power to be able to transmit back to base (so long range may not be as effective for chromecast, phones as say laptops).
Also you should regularly check what other frequency other wifi in your area are running and change the channel your transmitting on. I noticed with my phone, I was ae to get a signal 2 houses away, but it wasn't working.
My only issue is when devices connect to a 5Ghz band, they love to hang onto it and not change to the 2.4Ghz when the 5Ghz signal is weak (even with bandsteering off). I suspect Mesh networks would fix this.
Would this be an upgrade to my WRT1900AC. Last year ive added more wireless devices and the WRT1900AC seems to be struggling now.
Define struggling.
What logs are suggesting its struggling?
Not being a smartarse, im anetwork engineer, and want to try see what bottleneck you're hitting.
Are you over 24 devices active at a time?
If so, are you over 100?
Try installing OpenWrt and configure SQM (helps with latency issues and performance when you have a lot of devices connected). The WRT1900AC also supports dual firmware flashing, so you can have the stock firmware on one partition and OpenWrt on the other.
I have a WRT1200AC and been running OpenWrt since I got it. Performance has been excellent for my needs and think I’ll stick with it for the foreseeable future.
Needing to extend my telstra router for my double brick apartment. Would this work? Does it need to be connected via Ethernet
Honest advice from a network engineer.
Dont try to "extend" wifi, yeah it CAN work, and yeah Mesh specific devices exist, but there is a better solution.
"Apartment" makes it sound smallish.
Odds are, the issue is that the wifi isnt centralised.
If you simply use fttn (phone line) to connect to your modem; buy a longer cord, and move it somewhere central (kitchen?). You might find this fixes all your issues.
If you absolutely need more coverage, you should purchase an Ethernet Over Power set, and place literally any old router at the other end of the apartment ethernetted (sure its a word :p) by the EoP kit.
Just make sure dhcp is turned off on the 2nd router.
Set the wifi names to the same thing if you want them to seamlessly roam; but make sure the channels are different.
Its really quite easy.
The reason you avoid repeaters or extenders, is because wifi "waits its turn" to send signals. To add another hop, basically halves your speed, and somewhat, your reliability.
Set the wifi names to the same thing if you want them to seamlessly roam; but make sure the channels are different.
The only problem with this approach is that client devices are dumber than rocks.
If you walk from one end of the house to the other, plenty of phones and laptops will hang on to the first AP for dear life, even when the signal is unusable and the second network is right there with full signal 😐
Mesh networks improve this situation if they support managed roaming, where they force your clients to roam when they need to.Not usually the case when you use identical names and passwords but a different channel.
You're right if you simply store 2 ssid's though.
True that Wi-Fi could potentially be more centralised however the NBN (cable) connection is down one end of the apartment and to move the router would mean running a cable through either lots of brick or having something fairly ugly which I want to avoid.
Other than this I was thinking maybe the mesh system as you mentioned. It’s only the far/back room that has bad wifi signal compared to everywhere else in the house. Maybe Ethernet over power would work well!
Ethernet over power is for sure the solution.
@MasterScythe: Thanks very much! Really appreciate the help. Would I just plug a second router into the EOP in the far room then too?
@soupfluencer: If that end room needs wifi, yes.
Just remember to setup a few things.
Pick channels on you main router, and a different one on the 2nd; no "auto".
Turn off dhcp on the 2nd one.
Make sure the 2nd one is within the scope of the first (so, say your router is 192.168.1.1; set the second one to 192.168.1.200 or such).
Gateway and dns on router 2 should be your first routers IP.
Ethernet cable goes into one of the switch ports; not the WAN port on the back of the two modem routers.
It sounds like a lot, but most of those settings are on the same page.
Would it be any good for same room quest 2 wifi with virtual desktop to play pcvr?
I was thinking about this https://www.amazon.com.au/TP-Link-AC1300-Wireless-Supports-1…
I need something I can move to other rooms. Brick house. Both would work fine. Got cable already.
does it include poe injector or 12v adapter?
only a 12v adapter
I've got a shitty Aussie broadband modem, I'm guessing this will be an improvement and for $69 I can't go wrong.
your modem will remain but you can use this router for your wifi after switching off the wifi on the shitty modem
Its not a modem.
But to add reliable wifi to your existing modem; will work a treat.
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I needed a WAP for the backyard office and was going to buy a unifi ac lite from umart but saw this on clearance/special and ended up getting the AC1750
Pretty happy with it, easy to set up (easier than unifi) and the antennas seem pretty powerful as well as I still get low signal inside the house 50m away from the WAP.
I am going to pick another one up for inside the house.Just a note, the AC1750 is huge, much bigger than the AC Lite and Pro's I've worked with previously.
245mm wide at its longest points.
Probably worth the extra $20 for the 1750 (1300+450). https://www.umart.com.au/Linksys-Business-LAPAC1750C-AC1750-…