This is an exciting news for all the EV fans.
This is the price where I think I can afford to buy one. How about you? 🚗
https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/all-new-tesla-…
Tesla Model 2 Coming to Australia
ECE on 11/02/2021 - 21:33
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It’s unlikely that the price will not be doubled when it’s sold in Australia
All these websites just do a straight USD to AUD conversion for click bait.
They knowingly omit GST, Stamp Duty, Rego and shipping.
I'm expecting the price to be $39,990.
I just can't get aboard the Telsa hype train. I love EVs and I can respect that they are bringing them to the masses.. but I'll be damned if I ever like Elon Musk.
Also, are Teslas actually nice? I hear they are a bit lacklustre in build quality etc. and the longevity is a bit unproven? Perhaps I have drunk the big oil cool aid…
Hummer EV/Rivian more up your street or the EQC?
I respect Tesla for the innovation and turning the industry and market on it's head but not for me.
Not particularly. I don't drive or have much desire for a big car.
I think once the market catches up and your run of the mill manufacturers have decent EVs it will be awesome. Few years away from that though. I'll probably go hybrid or PHEV in the mean time… No idea.
That said, if there is sufficient supply of the model 2 and it's got decent range and general quality, I would probably buy one! 32k ish is pretty great deal, undeniable.
Have a test drive of a Model 3 perf, you can arrange it online and they just hand one over to you for an hour then answer any questions when you get back - absolutely no pressure as if you want to order you do so later online.
Absolutely mind-blowing car, I'm now considering weather I can wait for the Model Y.
What does weather have to do with it? They are both awd.
They are a next level thing to be in, there some dumb stuff (like the windscreen wiper controls being on the screen) but once you get yours (And it's actually gone through the QA process) it's pretty next level.
Honestly paying even $32k for a car I have zero tolerance for dumb stuff. I’m going to wait for cheaper EVs designed for human drivers.
Drove a friend's Model 3 recently, very nice to drive and if it was within my budget is definitely buy one. It was a very nice, smooth, quiet ride. Something that I'd really appreciate given the amount of driving I do.
In terms of build quality etc, I dunno, the one I drove seemed fine but like you Ive heard mixed reviews.
What is it that you dislike about Elon Musk? I watched this interview with him and he talks openly about production challenges and his many mistakes at Tesla - https://youtu.be/YAtLTLiqNwg
I don't pretend to know anything about these cars, but the US$25k target price does not mean it will be $32k here. The base Model 3 is ~US$30k in the US and ~AU$67k here.
The Model 3 is over $70k for the base model on the road. I think it's $73k in Victoria.
We don't get the absolute base model here. Range starts at SR+ and yes around 73K on the road
This is not real news. Tesla has not announced this car, or any details, other than that they are making a Chinese designed small car, and it will be sold around the world. We know nothing else about it. No design, timelines, pricing. Nothing.
I hardly doubt this will be $32,000 AUD
It will be a model that you will have to ring up and special order
Then you need to in app purchase all the extras.
I mean it basically seems to be small car sized, it’s quite possible by the time it arrives it will, it’s basically a discount Yaris. The target market for cars this small isn’t driving long distances, they could probably get away with 100km range and given the size it will be way more energy efficient than larger cars. Every feature can be a paid extra and you can store your luggage in the panel gaps.
No way 32K AUD, 32K USD, this will be $60K AUD. Model 3 is the affordable Tesla, that near $80K here so no.
Be ok at that price but I'm not supporting China. If the COALition wasn't so retarded they should of tended to have the Asia pacific Tesla Gigafactory in SA.
Pretty much everything you own is probably made in china, including the clothes and shoes that you're kids etc wear
stupid…. high wages, the furthest place in the world from anything from a shipping point of view, we don't refine hardly any of the metals required to build, high electricity prices, labor laws the list goes on
thats why its in China (thats why everything is manufactured in china, thailand, india, vietnam, etc)
What new features does it have?
MagSafe charging ???
At that price point Tesla can also bitcoin mine on the hardware. There is also in app purchasing.
CyberTruck 2 S 3 X Y
I dream of driving a Tesla but the time it takes to recharge is the real turn off. Needing to go into smaller towns on business trips and waiting for it to recharge.
1 BTC today = two Model 2 at 🎄. Drive one while the other is charging.
At home? I get it.
BUT
A public 150Kw charger will top this thing empty to full in 20 minutes.
And they WILL become far more common in the future.
It's just that Oz are WWWWAAAYYYY behind places like Europe where for example in Holland where they got right behind EVs they're actually slowly converting more than half of their petrol stations to EV charging.
It'll get there - just need younger more forward thinking politicians.
That is a BRILLIANT video. Great work.
P.S. I retract the 20 min to full I was reading the table from here:
https://pod-point.com/guides/vehicles/tesla/2021/model-3
And the empty to full are the first THREE lines. It then switches from 20-80% so the 20 min I quoted was actually charging from 20-80%. My apologies.
I envision most families with two cars could get away with at least 1 electric car that is used for the "local" runs and petrol for the longer runs. It would still save them a bucketload if they have solar for example. Especially if they work from home.
@Ramrunner: I'd say paying $70k for local runs would be a bit too rich for Ozbargain's principles.
Suppose an average family would have 2 cars, maybe an SUV and a sedan/hatch for everyday use. Spending 10k-20k on the secondary would make much more sense than a fancy EV.
And you wouldn't need a car if WFH.
You know, owning one is funny. The first thing people ask you is "how long does it take to charge".
The reality of owning it is you rarely think about charging it. It charges every night in the garage, you wake up every day with 90% charge which equates to 450-530km odd (model 3 long range in my case). The only time I think about charging it is on a really long trip, and then a supercharger or a nrma 50kw charger has it charged back up by the time you have a coffee/bite.
it's a total non event.
That's the thing with me. I can do 300-400km in a single sitting so having to stop and charge is a hassle. I think i'll sit out until more chargers pop up in the cities.
How much does it cost to replace the batteries?
Lots. But they’ll be holding hat the batteries last long enough that you’d be buying a new car anyway. There are electric vehicles around with several hundred thousand kms on them - the batteries can last a long time.
@jv: Google will be your friend if you want to know. But my guess is a little gets recycled in Aus, some gets shipped OS and some ends up in landfill.
The more batteries we get, the more it will be worth recycling them. They will be a valuable resource when there are enough to recycle in decent sized facilities.
Currently we recycle something like 98% of lead acid batteries. No reason lithium won’t be the same in the future.
$33K, for the base model, in USD, but like all their vehicle lines will only make the luxury/premium models for the first 2-3 years.
I wonder if they will have poor design and water entry like the model 3?
Hope they have improved on their Lada-like build quality.
Govt shud give subsidy for electric cars if it is really serious on going green. Other wise not worth buying electric/ hybrid cars when their prices are so high.
Govt shud give subsidy for electric cars if it is really serious on going green
Yea lets raise taxes more to pay for it. Love the idea.
Isn't the government still undecided about how it will raise the revenue it will miss out as petrol/diesel sales drop (and the taxes they raise from that).
The infrastructure costs for road transport are not going away.Unless someone (Musk?) finally delivers on the promise of jetpacks for all.
They can take it from the defence budget.
Not if they dipped into the subsidies that are being poured down the drain for Fossil Fuel industries :)
newsflash, renewable industry is full of subsidies as well.
look at solar, every single residential solar install is subsidized by the federal govt and in some states the state govt as well
@[Deactivated]: Lol are you under the assumption you've made a good point? Of fricken course renewables are subsidised, as they should be. The more money, the better - cos, you know - it's to create infrastructure and research into renewable energy. Which benefits Australia to the tune of billions, once done right.
AUS government doesn't support EV. There is no incentive to buy.
I found Elon is a hypocrite when he tout to saves the world with his EV n solar title ect. While convert his Tesla's share into bitcoin which being mine by NOT-so-green-energy. Follow the $$$ people … always follow the $$$.
Source:https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-08/tesla-bets-1-5-billion-on-bitcoin-in-new-policy-crypto-surgesTesla can use gains to buy carbon credits making the company carbon neutral.
They also record the asset on their balance sheet and in event that it drops in value use that to reduce their earnings.
It's a 200 IQ play.
LOL. Tesla sell carbon credits to other automotive companies, like Stellaris. It's a good revenue stream for them.
If you don't understand how to read a balance sheet, do you think it's a good idea to go on record with obviously made up bullshit? I mean, what is your endgame here? Are you going for most foolish or most ignorant?
@[Deactivated]: You sound personally invested in Tesla.
Tesla's decision to convert its treasury to digital assets have a limited downside and an unlimited upside.
They have now set a standard for protecting the company's purchasing power for which another big tech will follow.
@whooah1979: You sound like you don't know what you're talking about. Tesla spend $USD1.5B of $USD20b on BTC to diversify their cash holdings.
I agree with the value bit, but what Im talking about is their ethos/mantra of 'green car made from green energy'. OH WAIT, he said nothing about NONE-green shares LOL. GG I shut up now.
Lots of big miners have crypto mines near hydro dams in china and get power really cheap. Isn't hydro power green energy?
It's wet energy.
Let's talk about it, when it does actually arrive…
Or at least when its a real car not just a marketing brochure.
Tesla has done zero marketing on this upcoming car. All these renders, specs, prices are pure speculation. All Tesla has said is they are going to design a small EV, in China, for the global market.
There is speculation that the build quality in China will be better than the American made Tesla's
Waiting for the 7 seater Model Y. Love the Model X but too expensive.
Won’t happen, the X is physically much bigger than the Y and even then the X is a cramped 7 seater.
the CCP can suck my taint.
This is a great option. It's within the most popular price bracket for most car purchases.
Until EVs can charge batteries as quickly as filling up the tank at a servo, never gonna touch them.
You know you charge an EV in your garage at home, at night, right?
Does your petrol car fill up it's tank overnight, while you're sleeping?
With a 500km real world highway range (which is what you get on the high end Teslas), you can drive Melbourne to Sydney, stop for lunch and a jimmy riddle, while it charges, then keep going. No time difference in the trip.
Lol, "real". You being sold the dream by Mr Musk.
I know i would rather prefer to be able to stop at a servo and fill up and pay and get out of there in 2 minutes rather than have to wait 30 minutes to charge at a supercharging station (if they even exist in Australia).
Go try and drive on a single charge, and let me know how it goes. Those figures never include use of air-conditioning/heating and other equipment which drains the battery like lights and interior.
Seems like you've done about zero research.
There are supercharge stations which will get you all the way from Adelaide to Noosa, and other fast charging stations which you can use all over the country. Charging isn't an issue.
And a Model S Raven will do an easy 500km on the freeway without breaking a sweat. You can push it to 600km if you don't go above about 110kmh.
Perhaps, if you literally know nothing about the subject, you should refrain from giving your 'expert' opinion?
It’s not your ignorance that’s annoying, it’s that you get to vote utilising said ignorance
And there’s millions of voting ignorami, just like you. Everywhere, everyday@Boogerman: Ok… have fun having to meticulously plan your trips so that you dont run out of battery and having to wait 30+ mins charging your cars at places. Lol
@mrvaluepack: its Not that difficult to plan around charging, just like it’s not that difficult to plan around eating, fuel stops, overnight stops etc.
@Euphemistic: Charging planning is literally built into the navigation itself. Tap drive to Sydney, it will show you the superchargers along the way, add a stop and off you go.
@mrvaluepack: Wow, you have some issues in having to figure out how to travel from Sydney to Melbourne. There’s this road, it’s called the Hume Highway. Welcome to the 20th century…
I just drove mine from home to hunter valley and back, approx 460km's, with air-con on the whole way.
Back home with 20% battery left.
Yeah, such a struggle.
The difference here is I've actually used it, and you are just making crap up with zero actual experience.
@mrvaluepack: Tesla have onboard computers that calculate everything.
Gavincato, just take a photo and be some with it.
@whooah1979: I don't have a photo sorry as it was 2 days ago but the kwh usage was hovering on 133 average for the whole trip.
Thats pretty normal for a long drive, I had very similar with blue mountains & back a few months ago.
it's the long range version though!
that would work…… IF syd to melbourne was 500km, which its not. its actually 878km
I’m guessing you’re not into reading entire posts?
@Boogerman: Who wants to wait 30min and ensure your route has a supercharge station?
Not very flexible
@[Deactivated]: Charge network is improving all the time. As for stopping, it would be pretty rare that you don’t want to stop for a decent break or meal after 400km. Our last long trip with kids we had about 3 30min stops in 600-800km driving.
@[Deactivated]: Who wants to have petrol, oil & grease all over their hands, when they go to wrap said hands around a purchased sandwich during a lunch stop at a refuelling roadhouse?
@Boogerman: ever heard of a bathroom?
even driving a Tesla for 4hrs id hope you wash your hands before you ate
@[Deactivated]: I've done Melbourne to Sydney, many times, in both ICE cars and a Model S. I've stopped the Model S more than it needed to stop to charge, to eat, go to the toilet, and stretch my legs. Trips in both cars, took the exact same amount of time. Once my ICE car took much longer, because of the ridiculous wait at the petrol station in Gundagai.
My bladder is good for about 5hrs after I have a drink. What about yours?
When you drive around town you never need to go to a servo. Full charge every morning when you get going. The vast majority of driving and drivers can use this method without ever going to a charger.
It’s only on a long trip you need to change your habits a bit. Personally I’d welcome an hour stop after 4hrs at the wheel.
I’d welcome a stop every two ish hours. Don’t think my bladder is good for much longer than 4 at a stretch.
Most of my use case is daily trips of less than 50km, so it’d be great to never have to ever leave home to fill up or fill up with a specific stop on the way home for work, electric would be so much more convenient for me.
vapourware? like the truck and the ute.
And the Model Y……FFS
You mean the one they've sold hundreds of thousands of, the one in production in China and the USA?
@[Deactivated]: Might want to read the whole post before typing angrily next time.
You just said calling a hero a pedo for rejecting you is ethical. You said a billionaire trash talking the people who generate his wealth when they ask the billionaire not to risk their's and their loved ones life's in a pandemic by ignoring government public health closure orders is ethical. You just said a social influencer billionaire with no medical training trash talking public heath officials in the middle of a pandemic is ethical.
Or you just didn't read the last paragraph and/or don't keep up with daddy Musk's shenanigans.
Being motivated by social change in one niche field is different to being ethical.