Ryzen 7 5800X for 10Feb-10Mar delivery at launch price is now avialable on Amazon.
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Saw this last night. Not worth it compared to the 5600x when it comes back surely?
5600x and 5800x are pretty much the same performance in gaming, just more cores.
Planning a powerful plex server. Would you happen to know whether the $220 is worth the more cores for my use case?
More cores are always better for Plex Transcoding, really depends how many streams though.
Want to future proof for at least 10.
Neither the 5600X nor 5800X will do anywhere near 10 transcoded streams.
If you plan to have that many clients, your only real options are:
1) GPU transcoding - best to go with Nvidia, the 1050 Ti with a driver hack is the best option, which should be < $150. Otherwise, go with an Intel CPU and use QuickSync - the onboard GPU will do a great job with GPU transcoding.
2) Pre-render 4K files at 1080p and 720p, and pre-render 1080p files at 720p as well. You can easily program your computer to do this overnight or whenever it is free. This will ultimately give you much better performance than transcoding.
After some point, option 2) becomes much more realistic.
@p1 ama: What happened to plex saying that it would take a 2000 passmark per cpu stream?
I don't really know real world use.
Guess I could put a p2000 in aswell.
What about how people saying gpu transcoding caused blurring and artefacting? https://youtu.be/vokD4_Gsvfc
What happened to plex saying that it would take a 2000 passmark per cpu stream?
Passmark is rubbish, it doesn't mean anything.
I don't really know real world use.
To begin hardware for a project, you really need to have some sort of an idea of what your use case is.
Guess I could put a p2000 in aswell.
Sure, but why would you pay for a P2000 when you can get a 1050 Ti for less than half the cost. Or just get some Intel i3 and use QuickSync for better performance.
What about how people saying gpu transcoding caused blurring and artefacting? https://youtu.be/vokD4_Gsvfc
The video points out how there is no artefacting. TL;DR, you're worrying about something that's not really a problem. If most of your Plex clients are local, then just stream at original quality. If you're streaming to mobile devices on the road, you won't see any artifacting on your phone.
If you're hosting your own content for other people and they're actually watching it on the big screen, consider offloading to a video platform (e.g. YouTube). If you don't like YouTube, there are other platforms (e.g. Vimeo) which offer better quality, better privacy…etc. Then and again, if you're at this stage, you might as well rent out a cloud server and host your videos there.
If you're running a pirate server for your mates to watch your torrented movies on the big screen, charge them a subscription fee and use that to get at least a 250/100 (or maybe even 1000/400) connection and let them stream full quality.
Again, what do you want to do?
No, I personally think if you wanna transcode get a GPU is far more cheaper compare to getting more cores. A 1650 or 1660 super or 1050ti or any recent old gpu can transcode up to 10+ stream without any issues after driver hack or a second hand quardro 2000 if you don't want driver hack method.
@[Deactivated]: This ^^ Having an okay CPU, and a NVENC capable GPU will yield much better transcoding performance.
With this setup, your video encoding (which even on a budget - with the right drivers - can do 20+ streams taking 4k down to 1080p), and the CPU handles the audio encoding if required.
Not only will it be a cheaper setup, but it will also save you money on power usage.
@BillyG687: I really haven't found where audio transcoding has been bottleneck but I have been dealing with just 1080p.
You will probably only see a bottleneck when doing multiple 4K transcode which at this point, I don't think I will doing any 4K transcoding anytime soon. So a relative decent core count and frequency xeon still works and usually will come out cheaper compare to new stuff but you just have wait for it second hand market. Anytime new like i3/Ryzen3 will do trick with a NVENC engine from last few years will do trick for multiple transcode, direct play won't be an issue.
They actually had some stock today with two days delivery.
prefer have $485 10700ka
I agree
The problem with Intel is the PCIe 3.0 and needing to upgrade sooner.
Whilst i agree AMD have great CPU's PCIe 3.0 is not that big of a deal, barely worth a few frames in any game.
As for upgrading, as far as I'm aware there is no upgrading from from the 5000 series, these will be the last mainstream CPU's to use socket AM4.
I'd still prefer AMD, but the 10700KA isn't a bad move either (If it can be gotten for $485, not seen that price anywhere).
I am crying with PCI-E 2.0 :(
PCIe 3.0
The vast majority of users don't need PCIe 4.0. For GPUs, there is no difference between PCIe 3.0 and 4.0. For storage, PCIe 3.0 NVMe drives are more than fast enough for the vast, vast majority of users, heck even SATA SSDs are fine for most.
@p1 ama: Four years ago nobody needed NVME drives. Things move fast. A system should last 5-6 years. And PCIe 4.0 will ensure you are future proofed. If that is a word. Current GPUs are all PCIe 4.0.
No deal.
It's RRP and not in stock, just like everywhere else that has it at this price.
If it was at least in stock it would be nice.
Waits on this particular poor value CPU are short as the cpu's above and below this model offer better bang for buck.
edit
Scorptec have the 5800x listed as 2-3 weeks which beats the timeline of the OP.
I'm sick of people saying the 5800x is "poor value". The entire reason this chip is placed in a higher price bracket than expected between 5600x and 5900x is the fact that it has 8 cores on one CCD. This means the entire CCD needs to be up to par which also means you're more than likely getting a great bin.
I caved in and bought a 5800x because I was sick of waiting for either of the above options to be in stock, and to my surprise it boosts as high as 5.15Ghz on a single core.
YMMV though I'm just glad to have any iteration of these wonderful pieces of silicon.
I considered the logistics of having 8 cores on a CCD (in particular the need for all 8 cores to yield well), but it still doesn't excuse the price.
My reasoning..
1) In rare workloads having a single CCD can be beneficial, for for everything else it doesn't matter.
2) The 3700X and 3800X were also both 1 CCD, but the 3800X was disproportionately more expensive.
3) The 5950X has the same CCD's, yet still manages to be cheaper per CCD or per core, whichever way you want to put it.
The 5800X at $699 could roughly be calculated as being $87 per core.
The 5950X at $1249 could roughly be calculated as being $78 per core.
There is a $149 deficit favouring the 16 core CPU, where if anything the 16 core variant should be more difficult to pull off if they binned silicone for likelihood of being able to run stable at lower power / voltage levels.
If yeild was a concern, it would be more so for the 5950X than the 5800X, yet the
I'm not sure they actually do this, but would make sense if they did considering the density of cores on a single socket.
Anyway, as i said earlier, a precedent exists with the 3700X and 3800X having essentially the same silicone, yet being also disproportionately priced.
Regardless, given the short waits and low sales on the 5800X i can't be alone in thinking it's poor value.
Whilst it does perform well and sustain boost speeds better than the 5900 & 5950 it needs to be cheaper to compare.
I'll concede it does have a minor advantage as is seems to be able to sustain higher boost clocks than anything else in the Ryzen 5000 range, but not by a margin significant enough to make a difference. (ref Gamers Nexus 5800X review
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