I bought a whole heap of 3ply masks
2, 50 pack boxes.
It's so hard to breathe through.
Anyone have any suggestions for other masks
Best mask that is easy to breathe through
Moneyinthebank on 03/01/2021 - 20:46
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Loads of videos of Karens in America causing a scene because they printed some misspelled exemption which they thought would entitle them to endanger other people's lives. It's sad and funny at the same time.
@SlavOz: They are in charge they make the rules - they are elected to make rules.. They will never be 100% popular - thats just a fact..
or should we all make our own rules and go nuts?
Foil hats available in the lobby
@SlavOz: If the law says you need to wear a mask in certain places, or if a business owner has their own rule about it, then your options are to wear a mask or not be in those places. I doubt the government is doing this just to psychologically condition citizens into obeying pointless laws or some other grand conspiracy. It's about saving lives and saving money. When a taxpayer dies of covid they stop paying taxes, and all their skills they spent a lifetime gaining just vanish, a dead man's degree or experience doesn't help further us as a nation at all.
I 100% believe every government in the country is corrupt and will readily commit corrupt acts at the drop of a hat, but not about this.
When a taxpayer dies of covid they stop paying taxes, and all their skills they spent a lifetime gaining just vanish, a dead man's degree or experience doesn't help further us as a nation at all.
The bulk of those dying from COVID are not working aged tax payers, they're old and already sick people in aged care. In financial terms, these people actually cost the government more money than they bring in. Pension support makes up about 70-80% of our welfare spending.
And when they die, it's not like their money is going to waste. A lot of them have families which will find a very good use for all that inheritance. Isn't the government trying to encourage spending to stimulate the economy anyway?
The issue isn't just misspelt exemptions - it's that that the government keeps changing the rules whenever it suits them.
Yes, because they are trying to balance personal freedoms and not killing off the older generation. We keep getting restrictions rolled back then put back in place when quarantine fails.
Mate if you let the government walk all over you during an emergency then what's stopping them from creating new emergencies whenever they want to walk all over you?
They don't need emergencies for that. Australians are so tech illiterate that all they need to do is scream pedophile to erode privacy.
These restrictions are to save lives. Stop acting like a selfish child and support the efforts to protect fellow Australians from death.
should we all just live like programmed robots?
Yes. You and I are not epidemiologists. Stop empowering morons and short sighted politicians with your whinges. Pandemics are not new. Obey the experts.
You seem to like dystopian imagery. Think of this as an interaction with police. The sooner you show respect, shut up and comply with their instructions, the sooner it will all be over with.
We keep getting restrictions rolled back then put back in place when quarantine fails.
What's failed? NSW is in much better shape than it was a few months back. Cases are still very low and mostly isolated. Total deaths is minuscule, yet they've bought in harsher restrictions than before. Doesn’t add up.
We were doing perfectly fine without mandatory masking. You're just assuming that any measure implemented by the government must be necessary because the government implemented it. Not really thinking for yourself.
These restrictions are to save lives. Stop acting like a selfish child and support the efforts to protect fellow Australians from death
I'm happy to play a part in any reasonable actions which prevent unnecessary death, but giving up my personal liberties, income, religion, and social life just to save mostly old and sick people from a virus with a 98% survival rate doesn't quite cut it.
People die every day mate. Even when we fully eradicate COVID, heart disease will continue to kill around 30 times more Australians every year than this virus has. Yet we won't hear much from you or the government about saving those lives.
should we all just live like programmed robots?
Yes.
lol
Obey the experts.
You mean the pre-screened experts who the government has carefully selected to speak, and the media has trained to read from a script?
Sure, why not.
What's failed?
Quarantine.
NSW is in much better shape than it was a few months back.
Yes. NSW was in lock down and everything was closed. Correctly worn masks have been proven almost as effective without the mental health and financial issues. Do you prefer lock down?
Total deaths is minuscule, yet they've bought in harsher restrictions than before. Doesn’t add up.
Yes, because we have 10 months of watching 1.2 million people die internationally due to bad luck, distrust of authority or a lack of strong leadership.
We were doing perfectly fine without mandatory masking.
Yes, because NSW used lockdown last time we had community transmission and only lifted restrictions after that appeared to stop.
You're just assuming that any measure implemented by the government must be necessary because the government implemented it.
I think the NSW government's response was incompetent. They should have reacted stronger and quicker like the other state. My Christmas was wrecked by their stupidity.
but giving up my personal liberties, income, religion, and social life just to save mostly old and sick people from a virus with a 98% survival rate doesn't quite cut it.
That's quite selfish and childish. 1 in every 50 with treatment. Go's up to 1 in 10 confirmed cases with no treatment (so probably still 1 in 50 actual cases but because all efforts appear to be focused on stopping the 1000's dying each day, resources were most likely moved from testing).
Further
personal liberties
Do you wear a seat belt? Do you visit random primary schools at lunch time? Do you smoke in restaurants?
Society has decided that the trauma to family/first responders, the risk to primary school children and the very low chance of cancer from 2nd hand smoke is more important than your liberties. At least Covid kills people.
income
That's why NSW is trying masks this time. If you would rather be locked inside for three weeks again, well you can't complain about income.
religion
Nothing stops you from practicing at home. It's against most religions moral code to harm others. If you spiritual leader requires your attendance during a pandemic they don't care about your salvation, they are more worried about the collection plate being light.
social life
If you are old enough to socialise in person you are old enough to die from covid… you claim to care about your personal liberties but you don't value your life…
98% survival rate
One in fifty. I have one relative on death's door but to support your life style I should loose three. Thanks mate.
mostly old and sick people
More like over 40, obese, stupidly fit or deficient in vitamin D. That's half my family. Double thanks.
People die every day mate
Yes. Would you support the execution of 1000 Australian's at random for your personal liberties, income, religion, and social life? We have killed over 100,000 Australians in war to protect those concepts. But we also fought for freedom of all Australians, not just the non vulnerable. The concept of 'let them die for my convenience' is against the principles Australian's were sold to support our wars. But we also sent the youth, not the decision makers so you win that point.
heart disease
Health spending was 10% of our GDP 17/18 and heart disease was 26% of all deaths 2018. I think it is safe to assume we spend at least 1% of GDP on heart disease healthcare.
You mean the pre-screened experts who the government has carefully selected to speak, and the media has trained to read from a script?
You grossly overestimate the competence of government.
Sure, why not.
Thank you.
Sorry for the long post. It was relaxing ripping apart your argument. I hope I made some liberties so you can correct me :)
Yes. NSW was in lock down and everything was closed. Correctly worn masks have been proven almost as effective without the mental health and financial issues.
[Citation required]
There's no guarantee that masks even make a noticeable difference. At best, they reduce the risk of spreading between 2 people…but that risk is always going to be lower if those 2 people don't meet up in the first place.
Do you prefer lock down?
We are already in a mini lockdown anyway.
Yes, because we have 10 months of watching 1.2 million people die internationally due to bad luck, distrust of authority or a lack of strong leadership.
Stop with the semantics. This doesn't actually address my point.
1 million deaths globally is minuscule. Heart disease kills almost 1 million people every year in America alone.
Way more people were dying everyday before COVID started yet the government never told you about it.
Yes, because NSW used lockdown last time we had community transmission and only lifted restrictions after that appeared to stop.
NSW was fine before the lockdown too. Total cases was quite low considering our population density.
Society has decided that the trauma to family/first responders, the risk to primary school children and the very low chance of cancer from 2nd hand smoke is more important than your liberties. At least Covid kills people.
Do you drive a car or order things from Amazon? Do you buy junk food or McDonald's? Have you ever paid to have your driveway/house renovated with concrete?
All these things directly contribute to other people's lives being at risk. Cars cause fatal accidents and contribute to cancerous exhaust fumes in the air. Junk food is directly linked to obesity, diabetes, heart disease and early death. Concrete dust is a known carcinogenic.
Why is it OK for you to enjoy everyday activities while putting lives at risk but when other people do it they're being selfish? Where do you draw the line?
That's why NSW is trying masks this time. If you would rather be locked inside for three weeks again, well you can't complain about income.
Keep in mind that the mask requirements for indoor gatherings don't apply to most workplaces. Because it's clinically proven that you can't catch COVID in the office, so the government has given these places a convenient exemption.
If you are old enough to socialise in person you are old enough to die from covid…
LOL this is just wrong. How many kids or teens have died from COVID? The number would be so low it's impossible to even contribute it as a global cause.
One in fifty. I have one relative on death's door but to support your life style I should loose three. Thanks mate.
My great uncle was also on deaths door a few months back…he was prevented from seeing his family one last time before he died because people like you fear monger and cheerlead for lockdowns. You're pretending to care about old people by stopping them from visiting the only people they have left in their lives. Good on ya.
Would you support the execution of 1000 Australian's at random for your personal liberties, income, religion, and social life?
In fact, I would. 1000 dead bodies is nothing compared to the amount of dead bodies that have been caused by government oppression when religion or other fundamental rights are taken away.
Just look at the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany. The risk of government overreach is far more serious than the risk of the flu mate. History doesn't lie.
You grossly overestimate the competence of government.
Our government already has the media by the balls. They've been raiding offices or locking up journalists for years. It's hardly a stretch to think that they would be able to control what the media shows us, especially when they fund the ABC.
@SlavOz: Congratulations. You are pro vaccine.
You are not going to kill 1000 Australian's with any of the vaccines in their current state. You are happy with a roll out tomorrow!!!!
Or if we keep the current proposed rollout, vulnerable first, we can use real world data and keep adverse reactions under 1000 Australian's too.
Back on topic
I can't cure you belief in our government's competence. Try interacting with them more. That might help. Or watch this coup attempt in the US and see how that turns out.
I said over 40. I know you think kids and teens socialise in person, but only so much as they are forced to.
Change of topic.
Masks at a sporting event are worse than useless. If the outside is covered in covid, and you use your hands to remove it every time you eat, and you use those same hands to eat as you don't use cutlery at a sporting event…
Masks at a sporting event are worse than useless. If the outside is covered in covid, and you use your hands to remove it every time you eat, and you use those same hands to eat as you don't use cutlery at a sporting event…
This isn't just at sporting events. Most people don't practice good hygiene. So wearing a mask at the shops is useless too. You take it off to eat or drink using the same hands that you used to touch everything at the shops. Then you go home and most people won't even wash their hands and will continue to eat/inhale all the germs they've bought home with them.
Masks aren't going to stop shit. They're just a visual cue for the government to show that they've got everyone under control.
Nothing impresses the global powers more than seeing an entire country walking in a straight line wearing matching uniforms. No risk of disobedience.
Nothing impresses the global powers more than seeing an entire country walking in a straight line wearing matching uniforms. No risk of disobedience.
I hope it is clear I respect you and your points, but, and it's a big but, Trump's coup failed. Most powerful guy in the world. Failed.
These are great. They form a tight seal around my face and the air doesn’t leak and fog up my glasses.
learn to breathe, if you are a shallow breather you will have great difficulty.
White underwear, with a skid mark?
Does it have to be white?
Not if there’s a skid mark
Maybe he's a bird.
You"re officially the worst person I've encountered on ozbargain.
Wow, big call!
The rules say you don't need to wear a mask while eating. Do I not have a right to eat whenever I want, as often as I'd like, or is that another selfish liberty that only racists care about?
Yes let's bring racism into the argument. That'll make everyone think I'm not insane.
Last time I checked. The rules also include wearing clothes and peeing in public. Wearing a mask during a pandemic makes more sense than wearing clothes in public as there is a public health benefit. Don't see you jumping around having that 'liberty' taken away from you.
Don't see you jumping around having thay 'liberty' taken away from you.
As far as I know, wearing clothes has always been mandatory in civilised times, so enforcing such rules is not taking away anyone's liberties. The liberty to walk around naked never really existed.
Either way, you seem to be missing my point. I already said I'd be happy to wear a mask whenever I'm not eating, which is clearly within the rules. Thankfully we don't have set meal times in Australia so I'm allowed to eat whenever I want, as often as I want. Is that a problem?
Just a carry around a banana and breathe normally. Take a bite when you see the Gestapo so they don't fine you
You stated to hold a banana and take a bite to try and avoid being fined instead of wearing a mask. You are suggesting to try to exploit a loophole, not exercising your right to eat.
@John Kimble: It's not a loophole - people need to eat. It's a perfectly sensible rule.
I don't need to explain or justify my eating habits to you or anyone else, including the police. Despite the crackdowns this is still a free country and we are allowed to eat as often as we feel comfortable doing so.
The right to discretionary eating applies equally to everyone, whether you're a diabetic on a strict eating schedule or just another average person who eats a banana very, very slowly.
Take a bite when you see the Gestapo so they don't fine you
Read in context of original comment, it sounds like a loophole.
It's not a loophole - people need to eat. It's a perfectly sensible rule.
Lol. It's bullshit! We are accusing you! It's not a loophole! You did not hit her. It's not true You did not! Oh, hi Mark :)
Read in context of original comment, it sounds like a loophole.
Sorry about that, please allow me to clarify. I do not support people exploiting the exemptions for the sake of it. Eating just so you don't have to wear a mask is pretty silly. People should absolutely not do so.
However if you want to eat a banana very, very slowly while at the shops, you should totally do so. I think we can all agree that personal eating habits don't need to be justified to anyone by anyone (unless you also think we should be questioning fat people over their eating habits since heart disease is the number 1 killer in the world).
Read in context, I'm sure you can understand that to some people it sounds like you are trying to question their right to eat.
@SlavOz: I think you should understand the definition of liberty. Just because it's the norm in society doesn't mean it's a liberty that isn't taken from you. But I guess bending the meaning of things to suit your argument is the M.O. of anti maskers.
I like how I'm missing the point yet you bring up racism in your argument.
If you don't have respect for yourself, then at the very least just have respect for others. Just wear the damn mask mate.
@Ryanek: Respect is a two-way street. Please respect other people's right to eat whenever they feel like it, or to raise their blood sugar levels if theyre running low, or to replenish energy after the gym, or for a multitude of other personal reasons.
The whole point of the mask mandate is to discourage people from going out unnecessarily so if other people frighten you so much then stay home.
I have found them hard to breathe through as well. I find that cutting a hole in the front of the mask makes it a lot easier to deal with.
No different from those covidiots who wear a mask but leave their nose uncovered, or worse yet leave both their mouth and nose uncovered.
if you have the reusable mask, maybe practice wearing them around the house try to get use to it.
They are meant to be kind of hard to breath through. Ideally it forms a tight enough seal that you can see the mask inflate and deflate when you breath. There's people on YouTube with one lung that can use a mask fine, people with asthma who go for a run with a mask on to prove that it's not a big deal. It wouldn't surprise me if the people who claim they can't breath with one on decided that they can't breath with one on before they ever wore a mask for the first time.
Also the blue side points away from your face and the edge with the metal bar goes over your nose, you bend the metal so it matches the contours of your nose.