What's The Biggest Discount You Guys Got off a New Car from a Dealer (My Budget $60k - $160K)

sunnyc on 21/12/2020 - 18:03
Last edited 22/12/2020 - 09:41 by 1 other user

Well comment below if you recently bought a new car and got a stunning deal. There's so many choices and I'm pretty much overwhelmed. I wasn't able to get my hands on a holden.

Why I'm asking this is because I'm looking to buy a new car within 60k-160k for my misses since she got a new job far away where there is no public transport and I'm looking for a bargain as I refuse to pay for anything full price. I've been hesitant to buy flagship vehicles because of the lct tax so I've been only buying and driving commercial vehicles.
I've only recently begun my search and I'm quite shocked to see the price influx of personal vehicles due to covid.
Preferably Diesel or Electric but can accept petrol or hybrids.

My friend bought a brand new Q5 2 years ago with all the features for 70k when price tag was 85k. It's a great deal but also seeing what else is out there.

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Comments

  • Hithere on 21/12/2020 - 18:21
    +11

    You probably couldn't pick a worse time to purchase a new car.

    Due to Covid imports have dropped to minimal numbers and the price of many new cars has risen 10% and more due to shortages. Second hand car prices are even worse.

    Instead of going overseas etc for a holiday people are spending their money on cars apparently, driving up prices everywhere.

    I purchased a new car six months ago and they are now selling, when available, for up to $3000 more.

  • SBOB on 21/12/2020 - 18:30
    +4

    I wasn't able to get my hands on a holden

    Not sure why you're saying that like it's a bad thing….

    • sunnyc on 21/12/2020 - 18:31

      It's not a bad thing. I waited to the sale day and there was nothing left.

      • SBOB on 21/12/2020 - 18:33
        +6

        Ever heard the phrase 'dodged a bullet'

        Also, no idea how anyone can have a car budget that's 60 to 160k and have literally zero idea on a short list of what they actually want.

        Go buy a Tesla model 3 and be done with it.
        At least you know you won't be getting any better or worse deal than the next person

        • sunnyc on 21/12/2020 - 18:35

          Model 3 is 93k with the leather seats and extra long range and is on my short list. Problem is that she leaves it at work which means my solar panels aren't charging it during the peak period.

          • Euphemistic on 21/12/2020 - 18:56
            +3

            @sunnyc: That’s smack bang in the middle of your budget. Just buy one. Who cares if you have to pay for the power, it’s still cheaper than fossil fuels.

          • netjock on 21/12/2020 - 20:48
            +3

            @sunnyc: You got $60k in your budget to charge it.

          • Geoff-bargain on 22/12/2020 - 08:04
            +2

            @sunnyc: Buy some Tesla batteries for home

        • Deridas on 22/12/2020 - 11:44
          -4

          Also, no idea how anyone can have a car budget that's 60 to 160k and have literally zero idea on a short list of what they actually want.

          Weird flex but okay

  • Euphemistic on 21/12/2020 - 18:50

    If you want the best deal, you need to find either a particular vehicle that someone ordered and didn’t take delivery or pick an unpopular model they are having a hard time selling.

  • Hybroid on 21/12/2020 - 19:04
    +2

    Why preferably Diesel? Do you really care about gas mileage if you're buying a 160k car?

    • SBOB on 21/12/2020 - 19:17
      +1

      new job far away

      also depends on what 'far away' is, on whether its a good choice for possible DPF related requirements.

      • sunnyc on 21/12/2020 - 19:55

        Either 22km or 42km one way.

        • This Guy on 21/12/2020 - 20:27
          +3

          HAHAHAHAHAHA.

          That's long for Europe. That's short for Australia.

          Let her pick her preferred Tesla with Autopilot.

          • sunnyc on 21/12/2020 - 21:19

            @This Guy: For Sydney, its very long. have you seen covid traffic, 44km or 84km return is still fairly long.

        • SBOB on 21/12/2020 - 21:12
          +1

          Why would you even need the long range Tesla :/

          • Euphemistic on 21/12/2020 - 21:16

            @SBOB: 200km range would be a few days of commuting between charges. Some people ….

          • sunnyc on 21/12/2020 - 21:26

            @SBOB: I always buy more than I need, but if i drive it, it could be 600-800km in two days.

        • whitelie on 22/12/2020 - 00:29
          +2

          22-42km is "far away"? lol
          I travel ~30kms every day to the city in Perth, takes me 15-20mins (not at peak hour). Other people I work with travel about 150km round trip and takes them around an hour each way. Neither are considered "far away" for us. If they're doing those distances in peak, you should have worded it differently, that they will be spending a long time commuting to work, not that it's a long physical distance.

          • sunnyc on 22/12/2020 - 01:07

            @whitelie: Everyone's concept of far is different. I don't know why people are debating whether my far is far enough to be called far away.
            So now that I'm riled up about far away. The definition is distant in space or time or both. It takes 40 minutes at 1am to drive 42km during the heavy lockdown. It can sometimes take up 2 hours during peak traffic to go one way.

    • sunnyc on 21/12/2020 - 19:53
      -3

      I siphon diesel from my commercial vehicles or top up from the same jerry can.
      and to your second question yes. I am a cheapskate but I'm not stingy. It's like the guy who buys a 7 bedroom mansion but lives in the closet and uses the jacuzzi for all his needs.

      • Euphemistic on 21/12/2020 - 20:55
        +9

        I am a cheapskate but I'm not stingy.

        But you steal/embezzle fuel?

        • sunnyc on 21/12/2020 - 21:13

          my own vehicles

          • Euphemistic on 21/12/2020 - 21:14
            +3

            @sunnyc: And what does the tax man say about using commercially purchased fuel in your private vehicle?

      • SBOB on 21/12/2020 - 21:13
        +15

        I siphon diesel from my commercial vehicles or top up from the same jerry can.

        And yet considering a vehicle up to 160k

        The posts and people in these forums just get more insane as time goes on

  • Ocker on 21/12/2020 - 19:20
    +2

    I got a 100% discount as I never returned the car from a test drive!

  • spackbace on 21/12/2020 - 20:02

    Are you buying a car or a discount?

    I buy milk for the price that's on the sticker because I want that brand milk. I don't go "ooh the other milk is 5% off, I'll get that"

    You have basically said you want any car over a $100k price margin.

    I think you need to do some better research first…

    • This Guy on 21/12/2020 - 20:40
      -1

      Dude, sell OP a GR Yaris for $80k. Get the stock controller to ring around and buy the next available allocation for more than the margin (or swap two for one). Look after OP by throwing in free paint protection, tint and mats.

      Create a dealer specific rallye SKU with supashocks, BBS alloys, Cooper AT3XLT, a custom Bimodal exhaust, custom leather interior and a Black sticker pack for $40k (cause tax…), to bring it in $40k under budget.

      You generally won't piss off a manufacturer until you start selling it as a 'pack' AND they decide to introduce their own accessory pack (usually due to the success of your dealer packs).

      • spackbace on 21/12/2020 - 22:44

        Wut?

        • This Guy on 21/12/2020 - 23:31
          -1

          Sell a car, in short supply, at a massive mark up, with the promise of quick delivery.

          Use a large portion of the mark up to secure promised car.

          Upgrade suspension, rims, tyres, exhaust and interior. Add a sticker pack to sell this as a unique car (again, at a reasonable markup considering luxury car tax).

          Instead of making $500 on a car, make a few k.

          You are Spackbace, the Toyota car sales person, right?

          • spackbace on 21/12/2020 - 23:42
            +1

            @This Guy: They're not just in short supply, they're sold out for 12 months…

            • This Guy on 22/12/2020 - 00:20

              @spackbace: Dealers generally allocate cars to customers. If your stock controller offered another dealer two GR Yaris allocations for one, or a similar amount of cash, as long as their is one in the country, I am sure you could have one in a fortnight.

              Your supra launch was an exception. Usually with a car like this you don't estimate a delivery time as the client will be glad just to have one. Sales managers will often do silly inter dealership trades to secure a car like this when they have a high paying client (the Bullitt Mustang and GT Stinger launchers were interesting….). Those guys who put down for $40k will whinge to high heaven, but if you have a client who will pay $60k, they are getting their car first.

              Clients buying these off that DA deal will buy any and all options you give them. OP has no idea what he wants, so giving him the option to buy basically a factory rally car (minus the trick LSD's) that will play nice every day (hence the duel purpose tyres, multi mode shocks and exhaust) is an excellent way to get him to spend big.

              (yeah, I probably deserve some down votes…)

              • spackbace on 22/12/2020 - 00:24
                +2

                @This Guy: Yeah, dunno what planet you're on but no dealers are swapping GR Yaris, among other vehicles not being swapped

                Not sure if you've realised lately but there's a stock shortage and dealers are very hesitant to swap something common, let alone a rare car.

                So please don't suggest that I pull a rare car out of my ass, and then jack the price to stupid levels. You feel free to do business your way, but don't paint others in the same light because you're just bringing me down with you.

                • This Guy on 22/12/2020 - 10:42
                  -4

                  @spackbace: You can swap whatever you want as long as you have something the other dealer will make more money off. Swapping two mid 21 allocations for an instock unit is extremely feasable, but your GM/DP would not do it with out silly margin. This is why you would have to charge $80k. And even that might be a little low.

                  There is a GR on Car Sales for $58,500 plus delivery fees. With on roads it would be close to $70k (because the GM/DP will change that number). If it's on carsales at $70k, they will be asking for $80k for walk in's.

                  You wouldn't

                  pull a rare car out of my ass, and then jack the price to stupid levels

                  You would charge the client roughly what it costs to secure a highly in demand vehicle today, allowing them to skip the year plus waiting list. Plus a few k margin because you are going significantly above and beyond.

                  You feel free to do business your way

                  This isn't an insult. You are not 'doing business'. You are a pawn to draw heat off the GM and DP to allow them to do business at as high a margin as possible. You can learn a ton of great skills in your role. If you want to do business as a car sales person go join fleet.

                  • spackbace on 22/12/2020 - 11:28

                    @This Guy: Dude, just stop.

                    You feel free to sell OP a car, but don't suggest I do shit that I'm not gonna do.

                    • This Guy on 22/12/2020 - 12:05
                      -3

                      @spackbace: Dude, have some pride in your product and your service. You are literately selling the closest thing to a current mass produced, road legal rally car. The difference between something like the GR and an AMG a45 in top spec is a worse chassis, nicer chairs, a trick diff, bimodal exhaust, better rubber and adaptive suspension. I can't add a trick diff for a reasonable price and most manufacturers frown on dealer upspecing from their parts bins, but the rest can be added for reasonable prices, around $20k less than the best price AMG a45's sold for new in 2018. That is including that reasonable sourcing premium and getting a car to OP two months quicker than a fresh from factory AMG.

                      This is business. You sell items at what the market will bear because it keeps you and your coworkers in a job.

                      Yaris' have cost about the same as a Corolla to build for over a decade. Toyota now charge more because Toyota has invested heavily in marketing, especially internal marketing to justify the Yaris price increase to their sales people who will pass that justification on to their clients.

                      I know DP's who have lost millions. Dealerships are risky. If you get a gift like the GR from a manufacturer you need to take advantage of it.

                      • spackbace on 22/12/2020 - 12:17
                        +2

                        @This Guy: Just stop

                        1) There's zero Yaris GR's un-COSIed in WA. None. Zilch. And no, we're not going to try to get one from another state.
                        2) OP is in Sydney, I'm in Perth. Again, not gonna happen.
                        3) I'm not jacking up Dealer Delivery. If you knew anything about Toyota, you'd know that's actually against TFL and is frowned upon.
                        4) I don't need to listen to, or defend myself, against some random troll on the internet who feels like dictating what I should do. You stick to whatever the fk you do, I'll stick to mine.

                        Now, feel free to go tell others what they should do, coz frankly you have no idea about what I should. While you're at it, feel free to find a dealer prepared to swap a Yaris GR… I won't hold my breath while I wait.

                        On your bike.

                        • This Guy on 23/12/2020 - 10:33
                          -3

                          @spackbace: 1) Bullitt Mustangs were in shorter supply. Swaps happen. It's not up to you to decide where swaps are from, it's the sales manager, GM, DP, stock controller and Toyota. You sell, not supply.

                          2) This isn't a deal. I suggested it as a joke. No idea about Toyota, but many manufacturers have bonuses for selling outside of their PMA as it shows the strength of that dealership's reputation and their willingness to keep the brands clients who have been burnt by the local dealer.

                          3) You would add a $15k swap fee and $2k transport fee. You don't hide costs like those in a contract unless you want it invalidated, especially a retail contract. But I am sure those GR's listed without a driveaway price will jack up dealer delivery, otherwise they would have listed drivaway. The difference is regional rego is small.

                          I don't know what dealer management software you use, but the reason every deal has to be approved by the GM is generally because sales people can set the price to whatever they want in most software. The only reason to inflate delivery would be if a non driveaway price is advertised.

                          4) There is nothing to defend. I knew better too as a 'sales person' and argued with actual sales people. I still have so much to learn, but you do you.

                          If you want someone to stop, you don't argue back…

    • cloudy on 22/12/2020 - 12:04

      I buy milk for the price that's on the sticker because I want that brand milk. I don't go "ooh the other milk is 5% off, I'll get that

      I certainly buy milk with a discount sticker on it sometimes when I see it. In fact I do so with bread, cereal, anything really.
      Maybe that’s what OP is trying to get with a car, nothing wrong with that.

      • spackbace on 22/12/2020 - 12:19

        Would you buy soy milk, because it was discounted heavier than the hi-lo you normally buy, yet still more expensive? Or would you still buy the milk you actually liked?

        I mean, both are milks, just one has a higher discount than the other.

        • cloudy on 22/12/2020 - 15:21

          Easy, the soy milk. Love soy milk, just don’t usually buy it coz normal milk is usually cheaper.

    • sunnyc on 22/12/2020 - 13:08

      Well I wait for the brand of milk I want and buy when it’s on discount. Otherwise I just buy Woolworths Caltex milk

      • spackbace on 22/12/2020 - 13:11

        But you don't buy soy milk, or almond milk, when they're on special for a larger % discount, even if they're more expensive?

        I mean, it's all milk…

        • Euphemistic on 23/12/2020 - 05:16
          -1

          Except soy and almond aren’t milk. Milk comes from animals, soy and almond are juice.

          • spackbace on 23/12/2020 - 10:03

            @Euphemistic: Still a liquid…

          • [Deactivated] on 23/12/2020 - 11:09

            @Euphemistic: "milk" is just a name for a bunch of similar drinks. It doesn't have to come from animals. Asians have been drinking soy milk for centuries, same for mediterraneans and almond milk.

            It's just a word snowflake, don't worry about it.

            • Euphemistic on 23/12/2020 - 15:37

              @[Deactivated]: the Chinese don’t call it ‘milk’ either. It translates as ‘bean broth’.

              I was pointing it out purely because others were insisting that you could buy soy milk, or cows milk depending on which was on special but implicating them being the same product despite significant differences.

              Call me a snowflake all you want, when there are silly discussions on the internet trying to use an example it’s fun to throw in some technicalities that mess it up.

              • [Deactivated] on 23/12/2020 - 15:46
                -1

                @Euphemistic: They are in the same category of products… No one said they're the same. Almond milk and soy milk are equally different from each other as from cow's milk, and from goat, sheep etc milk.

                Perhaps one part of China doesn't call it "milk", but to counter that; in Italian you say "latte di mandorla" which translates to almond milk. Same "latte" you'd say for cow's milk.

        • sunnyc on 23/12/2020 - 10:35

          I do buy almond milk when it's on special at 50% off. and uht milk if it's my desired brand.

  • John Kimble on 21/12/2020 - 21:47
    +3

    60k-160k

    That's an odd/large price range…

    • SF3 on 22/12/2020 - 00:33
      +2

      Could just be weird flex or some sort of signalling 🤷‍♂️ Follow by “yes, I can”.

    • cloudy on 22/12/2020 - 12:05
      +1

      He has money and will buy anything that makes him feel like he snagged a bargain (high discount off its RRP) No matter the actual price.

    • sunnyc on 21/12/2020 - 21:57

      Saw that, but vehicle is too small.

  • [Deactivated] on 21/12/2020 - 21:55
    +4

    The lowest price a dealer sells you a vehicle is just that. Getting a discount off of rrp just means you got less ripped off, not that you got a better deal.

    Find the car you want and pay the best price for it. Shopping by discount is a terrible idea unless all the products are identical enough.

    Almost as importantly, you don't need $60-160k for your wife to get to work comfortably on a short commute (in no world is 40km long, mate. Check out M5 / M7 commuters, or heck, train commuters from Wollongong). I'd hate to see your business if this is how you run money. Yet you're willing to siphon commercial diesel into private vehicles? (profanity) me, talk about penny wise, pound foolish.

    • KaTst3R on 22/12/2020 - 00:54
      +3

      Publicly admitting to tax fraud just to save a few pennies so he can buy a 160k car for his missus. Some people are out of their mind.

  • FocusRider on 22/12/2020 - 08:00
    +1

    RS4

  • xpostmanx on 22/12/2020 - 08:13
    +1

    I successfully negotiated nothing off my new van. I even get to wait 3 months longer than the anticipated delivery date. I did get the ABN discount tho.

  • Rob-4x4 on 22/12/2020 - 08:27
    +1

    There is lots of fat in the pricing in the supply chain. I once saw some details of Holden pricing of one of their small cars. The retail price from the dealer in Australia was about twice the price the car cost Holden to land it in Australia, including shipping, taxes etc. At the time the Rec retail was about $18K for this vehicle, the cost landed cost to Holden was just under $9K AUD (Including taxes and shipping etc).
    That gives in idea of how much price gouging goes on in the Automotive business in Australia. Unfortunately the government protects these thieves at the expense of the Australian consumers by preventing imports of second hand cars like what is allowed in New Zealand or grey market import of new cars.

    • BestofOZB on 01/01/2021 - 23:06

      And yet everyone is going on about how they make more money from services etc and not from sales? And every single sales agent tells me they would "lose" money if they sell it at such and such price LOL.

      • spackbace on 02/01/2021 - 11:54

        Read what they wrote properly. There's big differences between cost price for the dealer, and cost price for the manufacturer

        • BestofOZB on 02/01/2021 - 11:59

          OK.
          But can you also please tell your coleagues not to use the "I can sell it to you for X amount, but at X-$10 we would be losing money". It translates into people's head as "I think you are an idiot".

          • spackbace on 02/01/2021 - 12:01

            @BestofOZB: The car has a cost price to the front of house.

            So yes, "we" would be losing money, as a department.

            No, we won't stop saying that

            It translates into people's head as "I think you are an idiot".

            Well, if you offered a ridiculous price, then…

            • BestofOZB on 02/01/2021 - 12:11

              @spackbace: Mate I don't know what you say when you sell cars, but I had sales people literally telling me I can sell it at (32k), but at 31,999 I would be losing money 🤷‍♂️
              I know what words they are playing, but, I mean, you know….

              And no, not ridiculous price if we were still talking and they didn't show me the door.

  • WorstBestHuman on 22/12/2020 - 09:14
    +2

    I got 3 grand off a Toyota Corolla hybrid. Pretty good considering they were on back order. I highly recommend using a car buying service. It's free and you'll get a better price

    • kaiiee on 31/12/2020 - 17:01

      Who was your car buying service?

  • HelpMeiCantSee on 22/12/2020 - 09:27
    +1

    We bought a fortuner crusade for $56,000 with tow at and a few extras. From memory rrp of the car itself was $65k on road bare. So 10k+ off

  • OzHunterNSW on 22/12/2020 - 10:23

    Hahahaha… are you serious

    • cloudy on 23/12/2020 - 07:47
      +3

      That’s what we think when we read your comments

  • afah0447 on 22/12/2020 - 11:29
    -1

    Not going to one. Steer well clear as you'll lose 15-20% of its value as soon as you drive off the lot.

    Better to get your preferred car at least two years old second hand and not from a dealer.

    • spackbace on 22/12/2020 - 11:39
      +1

      Unless it's 2020 and COVID has driven used car prices up to near on new car prices

    • SBOB on 22/12/2020 - 11:45
      +1

      Better to get your preferred car at least two years old second hand and not from a dealer.

      You've clearly missed the current car price trends in this country
      I've seen second hard cars fetching new car prices due to people not wanting to wait or lack of stock on new cars

      We were chasing a new car this year but I've currently put it off till mid next year to see how the price trends go

      • BestofOZB on 01/01/2021 - 23:00

        We bought a Mitsubishi outlander 2016 3 years ago for the same price the cheapest similar outlander is being advertised on caresales now, crazy stuff.

    • sunnyc on 22/12/2020 - 13:12
      -1

      Because of my paint and paint correction preferences. I prefer to buy new.

      • Euphemistic on 23/12/2020 - 05:19

        Decided painting is too hard?

        https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/503158

        • sunnyc on 23/12/2020 - 10:44

          No, I've learnt to paint.

      • whitelie on 23/12/2020 - 05:35

        I think that's a pretty moot point. You can buy a used car that has had 2-3k spent on paint correction and ceramic coating and it will won't be worth much more than one that hasn't had it done. The paint will also be a lot better than what you're getting from a brand new car and there are no guarantees a brand new car will have thicker paint than another that has already had correction work done.

        • sunnyc on 23/12/2020 - 10:50

          Yes new cars now have thinner paint than used cars. It's hard to find a car that I want in a specific colour I want.

          • whitelie on 23/12/2020 - 11:22

            @sunnyc: Given that you've got a 100k price range with no specifics, I think finding the right colour is the least of your problems at the moment.

            • sunnyc on 23/12/2020 - 11:30

              @whitelie: I have a short list and specifics, My question is what car deals others have obtained.

            • BestofOZB on 01/01/2021 - 22:57

              @whitelie: Not always the case, I recently had 75k budget, and once I decided on the car and specs I wanted, there was like only 5 colours to choose from.

  • [Deactivated] on 30/12/2020 - 23:26

    Makes sense. Upto $150k instant asset write off.

    Hope ATO start some audit on business asset write off claims soon.

    • BestofOZB on 01/01/2021 - 15:39

      Why? That's what they want people/businesses to do to stimulate the economy.

      • [Deactivated] on 01/01/2021 - 22:40

        So that dodgy claims are caught.

  • Thy-San on 31/12/2020 - 13:47
    +1

    8k off mini PHEV countryman. Didn’t get it though. DA was 76k

  • BestofOZB on 01/01/2021 - 15:37
    +1

    2008 - Chrysler - asking 73k paid 59k
    2013 - Ford - asking 19k paid 17.5k
    2016 - Mecr - asking 142k paid 125k
    2019 - Camry - asking 33k paid 30k
    2020 - MBW - asking 83k paid 73k

    Merc and BMW were the easiest to negotiate, Camry was the hardest.

    • sunnyc on 01/01/2021 - 16:06

      I think that's why I'm so hesitant to go with Tesla, when I can negotiate better prices with dealerships. When it comes to more than 2-5 selections, I get overwhelmed and I just break down.

      • BestofOZB on 01/01/2021 - 22:55

        I would actually prefer a Tesla-style fixed price if it is actually what the car is worth. Other brands inflate price for us to haggle down and I still not sure if I over paid for all these cars.

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