First post. Saw this deal for a 2TB SATA SSD. Cheapest I've seen.
$20 cheaper than deal two weeks ago
Western Digital WDS200T2B0A 2TB 2.5in SATA SSD, $229 + Shipping (Free Pickup) @ Umart
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This is part of Black Friday / Cyber Monday deals for 2020
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Exactly.
RIP HDDs, you're finally getting fazed out as a cheap storage medium.
Great price…..This or the Crucial MX500 as a storage drive in a laptop?
How much is the the MX500?
$264 at different times.
Either is fine for secondary, I’d just go with the WD Blue since is cheaper and available now
@skywalka: I’d use an NVMe SSD for primary but if you don’t have the slot I think either WD Blue or MX500 would be fine
I'd personally choose MX500 over this for a few more $$
yeah mx500 is slightly better than blue sata but at this price you can buy 2 sn550 or a2000 (if you know how to split pcie or just buy the m2 split card
Would anyone know how this compares to the Crucial MX500 2TB 3D NAND SATA 2.5 Inch Internal SSD - CT2000MX500SSD1(Z) https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B078C515QL/
Thanks
the MX500 may feel slightly snappier on the desktop when pulling up random files. This is still a great pickup price, and would be good for a game storage drive if you have an OS on NVME
Crucial MX500 2TB:
Sequential Read 560 MB/s, Sequential Write 510 MB/s, Endurance 700TBW info sourceWestern Digital WDS200T2B0A 2TB:
Sequential Read 560 MB/s, Sequential Write 530 MB/s, Endurance 500TBW info sourceYou wouldn't be able to tell the difference without some sort of benchmarking software. Crucial does have more endurance though.
So close to my $199 for 2 TB dream but I've got a new first world problem. Nvme floats by boat now. Sata 3 speeds won't load ozbargain on my 56k dialup NBN fast enough. True story and new 1st world problem. Life's tough. /sadface
Yeah same .. 500MB/s max is 6-7 times slower than the 2TB Samsung 970 evo pcie I just bought for 378 from amazon us via au, and pcie card can fit in newer computers and is tiny .. though deal has disappeared because low quantity https://www.ozbargain.com.au/comment/9715640/redir
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DKLA7w9eeA
The TBW tends to be much higher on NVMe drives, so they definitely have an advantage there.
For context, I think Outsider is suggesting the 6+ times speed improvement won't make much difference in real world, and links a gaming review as proof.
The thing is not everyone is a gamer - I'm doing enterprise development. I regularly have over a hundred chrome tabs + other applications open, and compilation uses a lot of files, and some of the tools I use take awhile to launch, and virtual machines etc. It will make a welcome difference in this case.
Yet actually the way I'm going to use it is to upgrade a thin and light sub 1 kilo notebook that has only a 256 ssd currently. The thing is so thin and light that you can't fit a SATA drive. Then it also has only 8G of RAM so it regularly has to use virtual memory which is where there's not enough memory so it caches things onto the disk. A 7 times speedup for this is going to enable me to do those enterprise things on this tiny sub 1kg notebook.
The point it, it does make a significant difference, depending on the specifics of your situation. Oh and for games the new consoles have been able to change the way they design games completely because of faster SSD loading time, so even the gaming situation isn't actually as LTT represented, just the last gen games he was looking at. https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/11/xbox-series-x-s-vs-pl… shows the biggest difference in the experience of using the newer consoles is much faster loading rather than graphics, and this has allowed developers to change the game engine architectures because of not having to focus so much effort avoiding data loading bottlenecks.
The truth is, LTT is just an attention seeking cheese eater, and used cherry picked examples where it didn't make much difference, to suck suckers in for his clicks and to make money (in this from people's general lack of understanding, and his cheesiness).
In lots of situations having 6+ times the drive read and write makes a huge difference. Of course you have to be able to understand what your machines doing in some detail to know if the 6+ times loading speed difference can help you. If you're not sure, well it probably isn't ^_^
@bono: I thought you just gave me a copypasta, but Google couldn't find anything so here you go:
I have no doubt that NVMe has its use cases, and will definitely help you if you are constantly transferring large files. Especially if you go over the 500MB/s that SATA SSD's are usually expected to perform at. Your example is terrible though… The 100+ chrome tabs wouldn't make use of that whatsoever and the only bottleneck would be your ram and maybe your cpu.
Your second scenario could be replaced with an M.2 drive, unless of course you plan to constantly transfer large files.
I unfortunately haven't seen any actual gameplay of AAA titles in the latest consoles, but if you have seen God of War (2018) on the PS4, the loading times were short enough with SATA SSD's, so that they were able to give users a "mostly loadless" experience. Some people talking about it here. There is a much stronger bottleneck caused by ram and/or the cpu. Very rarely do games need to load more than 500MB/s of data from storage. -This is the current knowledge I have, sorry if I am wrong.
Getting attention is literally the job description for YouTubers, and you can call him whatever you want but this guy and this guy seems to agree with LTT.
I do agree with you in the fact that as years progress, the speeds of NVMe will definitely be taken advantage of with newer drives and programming paired with better ram and cpu's, but as of now? I don't really see it to be that big of a deal in "the current market for most people".
There are definitely people who will benefit from NVMe drives, but the majority won't. Sorry for offending you and getting you all worked up, that was not my intention.
@Outsider: No copypasta at all because I actually work with this stuff on a technical level, and actually understand the details of this, that's why I'm correcting misinformation which is being spread and helping ozbargainers to learn the realities of the situation instead of being misled by LTT etc who work on soundbites instead of deep understanding.
The scenario I provided actually illustrates the performance gain potential, but maybe .. you missed the point .. so I will explain in more detail for everyone's benefit so we can learn what's really going on
Your example is terrible though… The 100+ chrome tabs wouldn't make use of that whatsoever and the only bottleneck would be your ram and maybe your cpu.
Mate it's not terrible because - Do you know what happens when you run out of RAM? Intro to the topic here https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/2160852/ram-virtual…
What happens when you run out of ram is it copies some of your currently used ram to the hard disk (that's called paging) and when it does this guess what actually slows your computer down - the slowness of copying to the hard disk. That's why the disk speed actually is very important in that situation.
Once you hit the bottleneck of RAM which my scenario outlines then the constraint that slows your system down becomes the speed of your disk. Over non momentary amounts of time processor is not the limiter for most user workloads and certainly not mine. So the disk speed becomes the slowest link in the chain. A six+ time speed up of that reduces that constraint to less than 20% of what it was so the lack of ram is not as much of a problem. That combines with the the benefits in loading new files not just ram paging.
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Think you maybe also didn't really get my point about why the games till now actually fit in sata speeds. The reason is because the game developers did a lot of work and took a lot of tradeoffs and spend a lot of time(money) getting everything to fit in that limited space. It's similar to how thin and light laptops cost more than bigger ones for the same performance.. it's hard to get it to fit.
That work was done, features that didn't fit were culled, worlds were chopped into segments, things super carefully loaded in the background so the users don't notice much .. so in that specific situation they didn't use the headroom of the NVME .. but that specific situation is not all the rest of how people use a computer. So that's point 1 on the gaming - you can't honestly and fairly use that as a representation to imply the only benefit is more TBW as the speed will benefit heaps of situations that aren't carefully constrained gameplay..
Then point number 2 on gaming is the constraints games are fit into is about to go through an inflection point and change. It will change because the consoles, (plus the general market), are moving to pcie 3/4 speeds that are 10 times faster than sata and the game programmers are not always going to constrain themselves to that old limit, in games for 2021 and forwards.
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On the topic of the references, they are all from youtube influencers .. Note that I'm quoting from technical documentation, not edutainment influencers. Real educational and reference writing is very different, and provides deeper levels of understanding.
I highly suggest that people get their technical information from actual documentation, in written format, instead of video. Video as a format doesn't tend to invite the level of depth and detail that textual format does. Then modern Youtube format video typically mixes lots of irrelevant entertainment in, has biased purposes of money making, and the actual education comes third and is almost always shallow and more often wrong/out of context etc. It's kind of the junk food of your mind..
What happens when you run out of ram is it copies some of your currently used ram to the hard disk (that's called paging) and when it does this guess what actually slows your computer down - the slowness of copying to the hard disk. That's why the disk speed actually is very important in that situation.
Yes I am aware of virtual memory but if you are claiming that clicking into one of those 100 tabs is going to need more than 500MB/s (when a cached website is a few MB's at most), you have my doubts.
Once you hit the bottleneck of RAM
You are better off with getting more ram end of story.
You say
Note that I'm quoting from technical documentation, not edutainment influencers.
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Oh and for games the new consoles have been able to change the way they design games completely because of faster SSD loading time, so even the gaming situation isn't actually as LTT represented, just the last gen games he was looking at.
But the website you referenced is just the regular Playstation vs Xbox debate article.
And although the article does say that "All of the new consoles enjoy blistering fast loading times, thanks to the now-standard PCIe 4.0-rated NVMe storage." They NEVER said anything like what you claimed:
this has allowed developers to change the game engine architectures
I was expecting an example of a full open world game. A loadless game that completely changes the user experience of all gamers, "all thanks to the new existence of NVMe drives". Not some kind of "quick load into multiple different games" kind of gimmick. The only thing I agree with you on the gaming segment is that God of War (2018) took a lot of amazing work from hard working game developers and designers to achieve what they did. But you have given me 0 examples of something like that, and instead just posted some kind of Playstation vs Xbox debate article. -Maybe there is a loadless game listed in that article. However, that specific article you referenced makes no such note of a game like that.
I highly suggest that people get their technical information from actual documentation, in written format, instead of video. Video as a format doesn't tend to invite the level of depth and detail that textual format does. Then modern Youtube format video typically mixes lots of irrelevant entertainment in, has biased purposes of money making, and the actual education comes third and is almost always shallow and more often wrong/out of context etc. It's kind of the junk food of your mind..
No. The validity/depth/detail of information depends on the source of information. Not the format (text or video) it is in. I can clearly see that you are just trolling at this point so this will be my last reply.
PS. Thanks for reminding me to go and watch some gameplay of the latest games on the newest consoles.
At that point RAM is your bottleneck. Not a sata3 ssd.
Sorry . Quite the opposite. Games were actually oversized this last gen. Especially coming from consoles. Files were often duplicated as they knew most installations were being installed on spinners not ssds. Done to keep seek times down
Yep. Just pulled the trigger. Great price for a good quality high capacity storage :)
Thoughts on this for external drive for ps5?
Crazy good deal! Going to be a great replacement for my secondary drive :)
Its $289 instead of $229, maybe an error from op.
Shows as $229 for me
It was definitely showing as $229 earlier.. and is still showing as $229 for me…
Apparently SSD prices were expected to drop ~10% this quarter and a further 15% in 1Q of 2021 due to oversupply. Unless you need one right now, maybe it's best to wait.
Can someone explain to me the difference between 2.5 inch and 2.5 inch SATA (which is better)? These are the options found on the Umart website.
For consumer products they are the same. 2.5 is just the form factor. Sata is the connection, there is a 2.5 u.2 in the enterprise products but you are not likely to find any in consumer stores.
Alright thanks. I tried searching it up but didn’t find anything, before.
Never owned an SSD would this be good for use as a Windows 10 OS drive. Also what is the usual life expectancy of this type of SSD as an OS drive.
If you've never owned an SSD before, any SSD will feel like heaven. This should be a huge upgrade from even the fastest hard disk drive. Has a 5-year limited warranty so you can expect it to last at least that long.
Wow. I snapped this up. Pretty cheap.
I was in the hunt for another 2tb m.2 nvme but I’ll hold off until pcie4 is more ubiquitous
nice find op
perfect timing, steam account grew considerably this year due to lockdown
now $299 :(
No stock?
back in stock, just bought one
Yikes no stock, so there goes another item on my deal seeking wish list.
Would love to nab a Crucial MX 2TB or a Samsung EVO 2TB for a good price somewhere, Umart makes it handy to pickkup too!
back in stock, just bought one
oh dear, this is a very tempting price for a ssd
might have to say goodbye to my wallet soon