Hi all, recently I was placed in the penalty box and while there I expressed my concern that there is no clarity in how it works. I was told that "punishable offences age off after years" but when I asked how long the mods ignored me.
So I'm here to publicly ask for a mod to provide a real breakdown of the rules around it. No more of this dispensing rules as you see fit, lay them out for us to know too.
Thank you
Lol, I’m still bitter about people being able to claim cholesterol is a reason to neg a deal and the mods upholding it though.
I'm not entirely sure what deal you are referring to but in general here are the voting guidelines. Moderators are not arbitrators of what vote meets the threshold of a negative vote (with exception of a small list of standard reasons). Too difficult to apply evenly.
If a comment is removed, you will always receive a PM.
For unpublished comments that is removed by the mods too?
If a comment is removed by a moderator that breaks guidelines e.g. a personal attack, selling in comments, etc, you will receive a PM.
If it's say a referral link and the system auto-removes it, you won't. Or you are commenting to add price to title (lots of these), those are just removed as resolved, no PM. Or replies to a comments that is removed won't etc.
Don't like the rules? Make your own bargain site. You're taking this way too seriously lol.
The thing that annoys me is it always coincides with when I find deals, I only just got the junee chocolate one in lol.
The thing that annoys me is it always coincides with when I find deals,
Don't break the rules then…
Problem solved….
My post was removed without a message 😉
Some rules are so undefined that you can just get banned "arithmetically".
…well…he does have a point…..make your own website and let free reign across all users, dont need a penalty box system, let them all go on a rampage and do whatever…..
Lol, I'd have to call it ozbargain no rules if facebook groups are any indication.
Because we are pretty attached and to be fair, as much as I think the rules and it's enforcement is pretty sub par, the mods don't get all pissy when they are criticized.
Why can we not upvote or downvote mods comments lol
Here, I've taken the moderator flag off.
That's cheating!
Call Dennis Denuto
Called him. Ring of steel is gone and said he's busy visiting a friend in Bonnie Doon.
It’s the vibe of it. It’s the Constitution. It’s Mabo. It’s justice. It’s law. It’s the vibe and ah, no that’s it. It’s the vibe. I rest my case
Ah Bonnie Doon; feel the serenity….
he's still too busy clearing f'n tray three on the f'n photocopier.
Someone trolling me admitted they were a troll.
When I referred to them as a troll - as written in the post immediately above my reply - I was auto banned for 2 weeks.
When I raised the issue with mods i was completely ignored.
That ban sits on my account generating points for my next ban.
There are no detailed rules published on this site by design, mods do largely what they like, and some so called community members are treated completely different to others, and targeted for bans, whilst others can do largely what they like.
Slippery fish ain't far off the money.
Those were a good couple of weeks.
Yeah it was nice not to be called:
a kike, a shill, a commie, a chinese agent, a loony, tinfoil head, an idiot, a whiner, commie scum, deranged, mad and all those other things the mods never see as personal attacks, or the personal threats routinely allowed under the unpublished rules of this site for a couple of weeks.
Bullying, threats and snide personal comments are the norm round here..
Bullying, threats and snide personal comments are the norm round here..
That would explain why you were binned.
No one has a gun to your head forcing you to stay? You are welcome to come and go as you please.
I got binned for suggesting you were a shill, hopefully that's helpful in your healing.
Can you link to the comment where that first insult appeared? Because I find it hard to believe that the mods didn’t see it as a personal attack.
@petry: Edits can only be made for a short amount of time after the comment is made (60 minutes). All edits can be seen in the revisions link accessible to everyone which moderators do check.
@neil: 'can be seen' being the operative meaning, and since mods ignore ban queries routinely the community can't attach too much meaning to the possibility that it may be addressed.
@petry: That doesn’t make sense. If people aren’t getting banned for making personal attacks against you why would they need to edit their comment after getting banned?
@mapax: To hide why they caused a reaction….provocation is used on this site all the time to justify banning - u only have to read on.
What on earth are you posting to generate such a wild set of comments?
@mskeggs: here you go
The user is not a reliable narrator, loves to engage in mental gymnastics and exaggeration, and plays the victim card as a full time job.
examples:
somehow trying to make a comparison between BLM rioters and a unit of Australian soldiers, and that the actions by the latter somehow excuses the former (ROFL)
says this in the thread, after having flung 47 sets of excrements in that very same thread
@payton: Payton is still somehow suggesting that the blm movement is guilty of more than 55 incidents of alleged unlawful killings between 2005 and 2016 as documented in the still buried report on the war crimes of the australian sas and commando's.
I regard this rubbish as trashing the memory of 'A "fearless" Australian commando who went public three years ago about his involvement in an alleged war crime in Afghanistan' - Sergeant Kevin Frost.
A whistleblower who was hung out to dry by Scummo's government who silenced the ABC by using anti-terror legislation rather than observe basic moral laws let alone basic rules of combat.
Sergeant Kevin Frost was a bloody hero in every sense. His name should be legend.
Its easy to see why Scummo will never release the full report because some people think murdering foreigners is fine.
Their is no single BLM - their are multiple different groups all over the world but like race some people just make them all the same to hate on them.
@petry: What is the relation (and relevance) between BLM and Australian commandos ?
Why do you think there is a connection between them?
I understand your passion in wanting to have the soldiers tried for murder, and injustice is all around us, but said troops have no connection to BLM.
@payton: Because you supported the view that all BLM groups in reality stood for only for BURN LOOT MURDER, clearly written in the comments you referred to above, which is how it obviously connected onto the SAS and Commando kill missions which were planned to do exactly that.
No BLM group anywhere has done that yet.
I think others dob you in, then the mods act.
I referred to them as a troll
Well there you go…………….
You admitted to breaking the rules, and then complain about getting caught out…
yes but you stated you were and weren't!
glad to see you both follow me so closely on this site and the reasons for your special treatment are now clear.
Maybe you should try and restrain from making personal attacks to other OzBargain members in future. Then you won't be put in the penalty box.
@jv: not when replying using the personal descriptor used by the commentator…. your confession of guilt
like a rapist confessing to being a rapist suing for defamation at being called a rapist….
looks like slippery fish is winning his points by a country mile….
@jv: maybe try that argument in a court and see where being totally unapologetic about whatever you're guilty of and see where it gets you…
in my original example 'like a rapist confessing to being a rapist suing for defamation at being called a rapist….' that would be yeah i 'm a rapist and i don't care …..
maybe try that argument in a court
This doesn't come under the jurisdiction of any court.
They are the rules of the forum.
Making up silly, exaggerated analogies doesn't help your cause…
Meh. I’ve had posts removed for being inappropriate. Done be a douche and don’t go in the penalty box. Although I’ve heard semen makes good sunscreen. And is a great replacement for protein bars. Go eat some!!
hides from the wrath of the mods
-golf clap-
Do we know who all the moderators are? It's fine to have rules, but the power of law enforcement can go to the head.
I was very surprised to get a warning for making a joke about wanting to get rid of a product I'd bought here. Selling is not allowed, nor apparently is the remotest suggestion in this regard. All good, rules are easier to enforce rigidly - it's better than having to have an inquiry I guess.
I've been pretty blunt with people with opposing opinions - I'm sure I must have broken some rules there - I'm really surprised my only warning has come from supposedly attempting to use the site as a sales platform :)
Selling is not allowed,
It is allowed, however it belongs in the Classifieds, not the comments of a deal or forum post.
Commenting Guidelines: Soliciting Sales or Wanted Items:
Do not advertise, draw attention to items that you are selling, or ask other users to contact you about your items in comments. If you want to sell your personal items, use the Classifieds Selling section. Similarly, if you want to obtain an item, please use the Classifieds Wanted section.
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Do we know who all the moderators are? It's fine to have rules, but the power of law enforcement can go to the head.
Moderators - 6 of us.
I got put in the penalty box for an off the cuff comment and no moderator even had the decency to reply to my questions about clarification. I asked multiple times and was ignored. The moderation team on this site needs serious revision.
I was also targeted by a user in a series of continual personal attacks, going on for months, and the moderation team gave him one day, despite the prevalence of continued and ongoing harassment, and to this day he still makes snide comments. I made an off the cuff comment in jest and was given a month. My comment at best probably deserved a post delete.
We don't respond to personal attacks, trolling etc because the result is usually like your response or others in this thread. Instead of taking ownership and responsibility for the comment, the user wants to get into a debate on how
a) it's not a personal attack
and/or
b) but how about this other user
and/or
c) attack the moderators
The point is that if the moderation is poor, then those are legitimate arguments. This thread wouldn't exist if there wasn't a problem with the moderation.
Thanks for proving my point.
@neil: Thanks for showing the arrogance that proves my point. You really need to think about why this thread has been created and why it's so popular.
@[Deactivated]: Thanks for proving a further one of my points.
We make no apologies for removing personal attacks. You are right this is popular and many of the commenters here have been binned for personal attacks which is a tiny proportion of the membership of OzBargain.
You can blame the moderators, you can do you whataboutism dance, but at the end of the day people need to own up to their actions, admit they were wrong and we can all move on.
We try to encourage the community in a positive way through competitions (T-Shirt & Mask), rewarding contributing members, meetups, and generally attempting to create a respectful enviroment. PAs, trolling, racist, and inappropriate comments just negates all the effort we put in to building this community so sorry if this comes up as arrogant but we're just a bit sick of justification of this bullshit.
@neil: No, stop trying to put words in my mouth. The policy isn't arrogant, it's the attitude you've just displayed. The holier than thou, 'we can't do any wrong' attitude is real issue here. Pushing everything back to policy when the complaints here are about the moderation team and their interpretation of the policy is just avoiding the issue. The reason for this thread isn't that people are complaining about moderation, they are complaining about how it is administered.
@[Deactivated]: I didn't say we don't make mistakes but we will always own them. Whereas there are some users who personally attack others and don't own them and instead complain that they are in the penalty box.
If you personally attack another user, you will end up in the penalty box. You may not like that it is administrated like that but it is what it is.
@neil: Is there any point in this thread if the moderation team can't accept that there is a problem with their culture?
@[Deactivated]: We always encourage feedback however that doesn't mean it aligns with the direction of our site. We will continue to remove personal attacks and will warn/ban users as well remind others to be respectful.
Which one of the two is a bigger problem:
Its the same with the ozbargain personal attack guidelines, which one of the two merits a stricter moderation?
Personal attacks are not allowed in any circumstances. We need to be consistent in how we apply the penalties and can't arbitrarily assign different penalties to different people and stores.
Personal attacks are not allowed in any circumstances
This is fine by me, I'm not asking for one to be let off, but I hope you'll see that some personal attacks are done to disrupt the thread or to troll high profile users and consider this when moderating.
We need to be consistent
If anything, a higher degree of consistency is what is being requested
The primary insult is the POST itself. Why are they so many ridiculous POSTs that are obviously penned by someone on medication asking about which State would you live in, or how much do you save, and other complete rubbish.
I tis these people that need to be sent to the sin-bin.
From memory it was just a lame joke response to someone and then not long after the original comment I responded to was also removed. I don’t actually care, I was just curious.
Lol, I’m still bitter about people being able to claim cholesterol is a reason to neg a deal and the mods upholding it though.