One of the race favorites euthanised after breaking down during the race.
Anthony Van Dyck was ridden by star jockey Hugh Bowman, who on the eve of the race dismissed concerns about the massive weight the horse was carrying in the Cup.
I know it's over for another year, but say nup to the cup!
The second horse was the same stable as the dead horse and the Jockey of the second horse was fined $50,000 for excessive use of the whip btw
Is there a reason whips aren't banned? I don't get why they are allowed.
They are controversial because they are used to encourage a horse with pain or the threat of pain. Some horses just stop if you hit them. If they are trained to go harder with the whip then they go faster. This is purely to get a better performance by introducing pain. The fact we don’t do it to humans should be the guide as to whether they should be used on animals. But because it is an old world thing and vast amounts of money are at stake, they still get used because it might change the whole world of racing if they weren’t. So they compromise with limiting it in a weak attempt to change the optics.
Drew this guy in the work sweeps. he/she died so I could get my $5 back. RIP
You put in $5,000 on sweeps?
Yes, assuming your , is actually a .
err my brain must be adding "k"s without me realising.
Gambling and Animal Cruelty are the foundations of the Melbourne Cup. Neither are productive or ethical. Nup to the cup.
We could just breed them for equine sausages.
Nah, they make better meatballs
noIKEA
WoNt SoMeBoDy ThInK oF tHe GlUe FaCtOrY/?/
and gummy factory
Bahahahahhha
Or any horserace for that matter. Unfortunately these sorts of 2min internet slogans will do nothing to stop the industry apart from ppl feeling good about themselves.. by spending 3secs to type and share a few words.
I know what you're saying but not sure i completely agree.. i think every bit of awareness and discussion promotion helps. Especially with media/ social media when something gets big enough then sometimes politicians or whatever can be very pressured to act.
I don't mind if I'm wrong though
I agree. I also think this year has been different and could be the catalyst for the change. We had a year where there was less interest in the sport and the Melbourne Cup. Maybe people will realise how redundant and irrelevant it is.
We can only hope.
You can always follow and participate in campaigns that deal with these issues that are working towards reform. Here are some links: The Coalition for the Protection of Racehorses the Alliance for Gambling Reform and End Gambling Ads
by spending 3secs to type and share a few words.
Thoughts and Prayers.
While I'm not on the usual animal cruelty band wagon, this comment says it all. Well done sir.
It doesn't have to be. We put man against man and beast in Gladiatorial battles thousands of years ago.
Societies progress. Let's do the same with what is effectively a pretty shameful "sport".
Like I said - our society needs to decide whether we accept some equine fatalities as the price of this sport - or not.
I don't care much either way as I am not really a fan, but it employs thousands and I expect they have a view, as apparently do Ozbargain users - including the morons downvoting my comment.
If we decide as a society that we are willing to wear the deaths, we continue on as before. At some point I suspect that society at large will say, 'no more' - but I doubt we are quite there yet.
Nup to the cup, lets race marbles instead.
Let's race jockeys instead. I'd watch that.
Only if we can euthanise them too.
Sounds like something an 88 would say…
It's in Vic, just give the Lab gov a bit of time to tweak their euthanasia laws.
With whips?
I'd pay to see MotoGP bikes on the grass track
Oh… long track speedway bikes or dirt trackers instead of horses… 100% would watch that.
Thats no fun…. long tracks would walk it in… go the GP bikes, or even old SBK's.
dressed up as horses
Go banana!
Dont care about horse racing at all… not many more corrupt sports, maybe Diveball in europe…
But thanks for the long weekend.
linkk
I hate how they put the term "Humanely" euthanized.
Honestly, its a rich mans sport backed by poor people. Then the women dress up and back it in as well because they get to put make up on for a day and get out with the girls.
Agree that it’s all about the frivolity and the going out, but men love to suit up as much as women dressing up, so no need to single out women for that.
I think the whole Horse Racing in general is a joke and I do agree, and apologise if I singled out women in that regard. I've never liked the way the entire thing is done, each year justifications come out, people get drunk and violent, horses die and we have marquees to let the richer society get pissed as well.
Horse racing made a lot more sense back when everyone rode horses. That was a long time ago though. Maybe we shouldn't race them, but just ride them in gentle mock exhibition, just for tradition sake. And then take out the robot horses for the real racing and betting.
@AustriaBargain: I'd happily watch an annual horse parade, horse parades are awesome. Edinburgh Military Tattoo anyone?
the ultra rich are in a different country - not in a tent.
The people who attend are the b list celebrities and business people who are given free tickets by companies that sponsor a marquee.
Yep "humanely" euthanized after pushing the horse to death by racing with heavy weights and then turning them into dog food.
If they don't use the meat for pet food then it will come from another animal that is slaughtered specifically for the purpose of animal food. It is making a positive from an unfortunate situation.
Agreed, time we start sending grandma to the knackery as well I think.
They could let horses go to pasture but instead last year 3000 race horses were sent to Asia for horsemeat for money even though they could have just retired instead
@Milk tea: Well they still require care, and take up land. they aren't going to be set free. Unfortunately they are a working animal with no more value,
@greatlamp: Well perhaps the racehorse and gambling industry need to pay for this as part of their revenue and cost structure.
It's a bit poetic isn't it.
As a society, we do the same to humans. Those that are doing better gets weighed down, sometimes to their demise. As long as they are still standing, those benefitting from it keep expecting more from them.
Once they are broken, the media feasts on the carcass and a sorry few reflect out loud.
Every year this happens. It's not even a matter of if, now it's become a matter of which horse/s won't make it.
I've stopped watching it as it genuinely upsets me every single year. I now also boycott every celebrity that associates with this death fest. The more you read about the industry, the more disgusting the whole thing becomes.
This is not a phenomenon exclusive to the Melbourne Cup - its just higher profile when its the Cup.
Horse racing has casualties - as I said above, we either accept that as a society, or we do not.
It’s a shame. I really liked him in Mary Poppins.
That was his brother, Richard.
Too funny !
We should be racing robots instead of horses. I bet more people would tune in to watch too.
I'm not a fan of gambling but at least things like Trackside is better for animal welfare.
You should see the cock fighting in BK! Those birds are fierce, they drop kick and I swear kickbox
I don't know about racing, but there is a TV program of robots fighting each other. Stumbled on it and actually watched it because nothing else was on. It wasn't bad.
they already have digital horse racing at the pubs and clubs… no chance of a computer working out how to finish the race to pay out the least LMAO
come in suckers
Don't see the appeal of horse racing at all. Most appear to be interested in it for the fancy dress up and get smashed aspect (which I love too, but not at the races).
Good candidate for a tradition we should be re-thinking in modern times.
Did you say Christmas?
Christmas has been accepted by most non-Christians for a long time now. For many, it is an excuse for a holiday and to party. Nothing wrong with that imo.
Christmas was the solstice festival, hence the timing of it.
I do agree with you, although Bearing is not what many would call a good information source
Or check out this reddit thread.
There is absolutely nothing classy about the Cup or horse racing in general. People who think they are upper class or whatever weird thing they think they are by getting dressed up and going to the cup are extremely dumb and basic.
What's even more sad is that people in Sydney actually get all dressed up in their stupid fascinators too and go to some RSL or bogan congregating area and watch the stupid thing on TV. THAT is sad. But hey that along with alcohol and football is Australian culture. Basically everything in this country revolves around getting drunk and the Cup and the Spring Racing carnival is just part of that.
STRAYA CUZ
Basically everything in this country revolves around getting drunk
Not really, man. Australia has an absolute plethora of natural beauty that you can go out and see. We also have absolutely world class cuisine in terms of quality and options (at least in the cities). Not to mention general freedom to do and say mostly what you want - at least relatively speaking. Just to mention a few of things. Maybe less TV/Facebook/reddit and more outside?
We have options thanks to migrants. If there were none Australians would be eating steak and potatoes their entire life.
You can’t argue that getting drunk isn’t a large part of Australian culture IMO.
We have options thanks to migrants.
I never stated otherwise. Australia is a complete hodge-podge of cultures, with very little in the way of tradition - which means we seem to pick and chose the best bits of what people have brought with them without getting stuck in the mud about "the way it's always been done".
If there were none Australians would be eating steak and potatoes their entire life.
I don't think there would have been much in the way of steak and potatoes if Europeans hadn't migrated here a few hundred years ago. Literally everyone that is not of Aboriginal ancestry has descended from migrants.
You can’t argue that getting drunk isn’t a large part of Australian culture IMO
Alcohol is certainly popular in Australia - undoubtedly - but as I said you have loads of options that aren't liquor-based. I would also say that reducing or cutting out alcohol is becoming more and more socially acceptable every day.
Yes - and thats why we should import a unlimited large amount and pay them poorer wages and let business exploit them.
I mean Australia's fascination with coffee was 100% due to immigration and certainly had Zero to do with tea rations.
Also Australia is not in the top 10 list of drinking (per capita), however we are way up the list on binge drinking.
If it's the sport of Kings why is everyone at the TAB wearing tracky dacks.
STRAYA
circle of life
Lucky I have shares in findus lasagne and clag glue
why glue
Above = True.
Apparently something like 96%+ of glue manufactured does not use animals bones, etc in the process - only very specialist glue is made from the 'old' way and thats the bones of cattle and horses (known as hide glue). Now only used in repair of Antiques and book binding.
I've heard Canada has a few factories that make this type of speciality glue, but unsure of how true that is.
Yeah that's it horses are born and bred simply for racing, no racing would mean no horses, same with cows, chickens, lambs all born and bred to feed the world, without the meat the world would cease to exist.
Millions of years we've been hunting animals
STRAYAAAA
If you replaced the word horse and animal with the word “human”, would it still sound humane?
You are comparing a natural person to property. The common law recognises that a natural person have legal rights while property doesn’t.
While animals may be "property", as legally defined. They should not be treated like inanimate objects. And I would contest that they do have rights too, which is where animal abuse comes in.
This is not even considering the philosophical point that as humans, we have higher emotional and intellectual capacity than the rest of the animal kingdom, thereby giving us the morale imperative and obligation to treat animals as more than "property".
Horse racing is not illegal, so legality should not come into it. Only ethics and morality.
@Tech5: No.
Property doesn't have rights under common law. The PCA Act is the legislation that protects animals from inhumane treatments. However, the Act doesn't prohibit animals from participating in sports or killing them for food.
@Tech5: Domestic animals are property and only useful to us as long as they can provide us with companionship, a source of food, commodities for trade, working animals e.g sports or farming, etc.
@whooah1979: Sounds about right, shame everything is determined by it's use to 'us', rather than just living out their lives.
Humans are awful.
@Bargain Hunter 007: Animals like any type of property is a liability. We don't take on liability unless we receive a form of benefits from it.
@Bargain Hunter 007: Don't quote me on this, but I'm fairly certain that the old fashion slavery is outlawed in most countries in the world.
@whooah1979: Firstly, a little biological lesson.. humans are indeed animals.
Secondly, I think you're right.. it is. But if it wasn't are you saying that's OK?
Because it sounds like your ethics are extracted from the law.. which depending which country/what time period you are in, can be pretty messed up indeed.
Also, using words like 'we' and 'us' does not mean you speak for others, I think you sound like a pretty awful person.
@Bargain Hunter 007: Have a look around. Almost everything we have in our homes has animals ingredients in them. That is how the world works.
@whooah1979: Again, using 'we' out of place.
Good luck finding an animal product in my home.
A couple of medications in the closet would just about round it out.
@Bargain Hunter 007: How about your keyboard and mouse or monitor? Any wooden furniture, toothpaste, shampoo, conditioner? iPhone or Android smartphone? All of those things and more contain animal by-products.
@whooah1979: Well I suppose you may have got me there on a couple of fronts. I'm not sure about my work keyboard, mouse, and phone.
However my wooden furniture, toothpaste, shampoo, conditioner are all vegan.
In any case, we certainly live in a non-vegan world, as it continues to become more mainstream there will be more options and less compromises.
toothpaste, shampoo, conditioner are all vegan.
Where did you buy this from and how do they compare to other brands? I tried some green toothpaste once and didn't like it. They didn't give me the "clean" feeling.
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