Seems to be a good price for Australian stock on this beefy gaming CPU. Performs on par with the more expensive competition from Intel and AMD for gaming (even the 10th gen i9s and 3900X) and seems to overclock well.
Note the KF series does not include an iGPU, but this shouldn't be a problem for those building gaming rigs.
Local pickup available from several locations in Vic but delivery is free Australia wide.
why would you get this when the 3600 is 100+ cheaper, boggles the mind
Probably because the i5 has considerably better gaming performance, and is much less likely to cause CPU bottlenecks in CPU intensive games (like MSFS 2020). If you only plan on using your machine as a workstation you should probably buy the 3600 over the i5, but I suspect most people building workstation PCs are looking at higher end CPUs anyway.
Does that help unboggle your mind?
This i5 doesn't come with a cooler so it'll be more like ~$150 more expensive. At that price point I think I'd rather used the saved money from the 3600 towards a better GPU.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM5rtd61K2o, the i5 performs roughly 7% better overall. Up to you to decide whether it's worth the extra $150.
Does anyone not replace the stock cooler anyway? I haven't built a gaming PC in years so maybe stock coolers have come a long way.
$150 is also a huge amount to spend on an aftermarket cooler. I'm only aware of a couple of air coolers that you can buy for that price - the vast majority are cheaper.
@sinn3r: Haha yep, I realised that seconds before you posted your comment. My first point still stands though.
@Ozybargdias: The 3600 cooler is pretty crap, spins up constantly and is not pleasant to listen to, would still recommend getting a decent aftermarket one.
@Ozybargdias: I got a R7 3800X with intention of replacing the stock cooler….
…. Then realised how good the stock cooler actually is…
Did a bit of reading, seems whilst a few still do swap out the stock cooler the majority stick with it.
Turns out as far as stock coolers go they are pretty great.
Look at this 7 game comparison. 3600 isn't even comparable if you want the fastest game play. 3700x is better comparision https://i.imgur.com/mFSFP7y.png
@bobvegas: At 1080p.. higher resolutions mean much much less difference
But still great price for this
@wozz: New GPU generation coming out so cpu bottlenecks will probably become a larger issue even at 1440p
@bobvegas: "Isn't even comaprable"
7fps difference on mins and 10 on average, at values of around 140. Seems pretty comparable to me my dude.
~6% improvement for $100-150 more.
Because one's Intel and the other is AMD. What a stupid question.
Wow, that's an insane price, just remember there's not iGPU because it's the KF sku, but this is essentially a no compromise gaming CPU at an amazing price, wouldn't blame anyone for picking it up.
However, It only supports PCIe 3.0 and new GPUs coming out may need more bandwidth than PCIe 3.0x16 so this could limit gaming performance. Tests aren't in yet, but, that's the gamble you're taking.
Thanks for raising this. This is a valid point, but a couple of points in defence of the i5-10600KF:
* No consumer GPUs currently on the market are bottenecked by PCIe 3.0 (including the RTX 2080ti). This means that only the RTX 3080ti (or equivalent) has any chance of hitting the maximum bandwidth of PCIe 3.0, and even this is not certain. Besides, I don't think many people would consider pairing this CPU with something like an RTX 3080ti.
* Intel's next gen CPUs will support the same socket as i5-10600KF, so you can always upgrade your CPU later if the bottleneck becomes an issue.
So some caveats there;
We don't know the performance of the 30 series or the presumably RX6000 series, however bandwidth is part of the calculation, you may find some cards that don't perform as well as a 2080ti are still limited by PCIe 3.0x16, I mean the tests aren't out yet, but bandwidth is part of a calculation, so it may still restrict lesser performing cards.
So no, not just the 3080ti or anything below a 2080ti in terms of performance necessarily.
In fact even right now, you'll find the RX5700XT in some circumstances actually already benefits from using PCIe 4.0 x16, Hardware Unboxed had some videos on it, it is very slight but it shows the beginning of the end for PCIe 3.0. This is similar in performance to to a RTX 2070 (Possibly similar to the RTX 3060, again tests aren't in yet).
Finally, The current chipset for LGA1200 Z490, is highly likely to support PCIe 4.0, yes. But this hasn't been officially confirmed and even when it is, it may not apply to every single Z490 board.
Be careful, still a gamble, that's all I'm saying.
Thanks, this is great information. I'd encourage anyone considering the i5 to read this.
If you are into numbers, 2% can be called "SMASHED!!!"
This cpu is faster than 3700x and 3900x, and ofcourse faster than 3600 for gaming. It's a gaming CPU. If you want the fasted speeds in games you buy this above anything AMD is selling currently. Ofcourse 3700x and 3900x are much more powerful cpu's , but they're not faster at games
The 10600k is pretty damn fast when paired with decent memory and overclocked:
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/hpl7mi/gn_super_t…
The 10600k is pretty damn fast when paired with decent memory and overclocked:
Something else worth noting as well is that it seems as if AMD CPUs come much more "factory tuned" than Intel at the moment. It seems that with the 10600K, even though it's rated at 4.1GHz, you can easily bump it to 5.0GHz by just upping the voltage and cranking the multiplier. One of my mates who's never OC'd before just got some voltage off a forum and dialled it in for a 4.8GHz OC within a few minutes. Overnight stress test was stable and he's been happy since.
AMD has much less OC headroom. I have 4 AMD CPUs right now and none of them go far beyond their factory clocks. My 3600, 3700X and 3900X can hit 4.3 GHz, with only around a few % more performance than default PBO. Similarly, my 3970X in my main workstation only hits around 4.2 GHz OC, when it hits around 4.0 GHz all-core with PBO.
With AMD, most of the benefits of tuning come from very finicky things like infinity fabric OC or memory subtimings, which are much more complex than the "crank the multiplier" benefit that you get from Intel.
@p1 ama: Yeah there's not much to gain with overclocking Ryzens atm besides using PBO, in fact an all core OC might actually slow you down in single threaded tasks. The main gains would be from getting better ram and even then you are always constrained by FCLK.
Yeah there's not much to gain with overclocking Ryzens atm besides using PBO, in fact an all core OC might actually slow you down in single threaded tasks.
Yep - I got my 3970X to 4.3 GHz all-core, let it rip a Cinebench run, screenshot and all. Went right back to stock because hitting ~4.5 GHz single core turbo is much more important than 4.3 GHz vs. ~4.0 GHz (PBO) all-core. Not to mention not having to deal with the heat.
TIL "100+ cheaper" = ~$75 cheaper with delivery costs factored in.
Feel welcome to post a deal on Ozbargain if you can find a cheaper 3600 to prove me wrong!
they seem to be in short supply right now which gives more credence to this deal, but you can still get them for under 300 from amazon UK:
https://www.amazon.com.au/AMD-Ryzen-3600-Processor-100-10000…
What the 3600 is regularly $275 on Amazon, and this CPU is also cheaper on eBay if you have Plus membership
You just love getting into stupid arguments don't you?
If you like the Ryzen 5 3600, go buy it. Nobody's stopping you. Enjoy your $100. If someone else wants to buy the i5 10600KF, then can go buy it. They can enjoy their 10% higher FPS. Choice is a good thing, AMD has made Intel far more competitive, and let's not kid ourselves, Intel has made AMD more competitive as well.
If you build a $1500 system, say, then your extra $100 on a 10600KF vs. 3600 is an extra 6.67%. So you pay 6.67% more for 5 - 10% extra performance. That sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
What's your point?
what if i was building a $800 system?
the point is the intel offering is 40% most costly for 5-10% extra performance, and i'm not even talking about the extra intel platform tax. i'm fully aware that there is a segment of the population for which this makes sense, but since this is a bargain website where presumably people come to find value, i'd like to set some facts straight for the record if that's ok with you ;)
what if i was building a $800 system?
Don't be silly. If you're building an $800 gaming PC, you're not using a Ryzen 5 3600 nor a 10600K.
the point is the intel offering is 40% most costly for 5-10% extra performance
It's not 40% more, like I said before, it's 6.67% more.
but since this is a bargain website where presumably people come to find value, i'd like to set some facts straight for the record if that's ok with you ;)
Yes, but you can do that without spreading falsehoods. Saying that the 10600K is "40% more" than the 3600 is disingenuous because you're using the wrong denominator. Compare the total cost of an 10600K build vs. a 3600 build, not the cost of the chips themselves because you're not simply buying chips.
But yes, just using "facts" in your sentence makes you smart and credible right?
Don't be silly. If you're building an $800 gaming PC, you're not using a Ryzen 5 3600 nor a 10600K.
i thought it was all about personal choice why is it not OK to build a $800 PC with a ryzen 3600?
It's not 40% more, like I said before, it's 6.67% more.
when you're building a $1500 system which we all most do correct?
Yes, but you can do that without spreading falsehoods. Saying that the 10600K is "40% more" than the 3600 is disingenuous because you're using the wrong denominator. Compare the total cost of an 10600K build vs. a 3600 build, not the cost of the chips themselves because you're not simply buying chips.
But yes, just using "facts" in your sentence makes you smart and credible right?
the CPU costs 40% more i thought this was an obvious fact, is this particular listing for an entire system?
i thought it was all about personal choice why is it not OK to build a $800 PC with a ryzen 3600?
Because it's not possible to build a gaming system for $800 with a Ryzen 3600. $300 for the CPU, $150 for the motherboard, $100 for 16GB RAM, $100 for a decent PSU, another $50 for a bargain case. So you're really going to build a gaming PC with a $100 GPU? Really?
the CPU costs 40% more i thought this was an obvious fact, is this particular listing for an entire system?
Look, I'm not going to argue with ignorant buffoons who failed primary school maths. If you're building a $1000 system and you spend $2 on an LED strip instead of $1, are you an idiot because you spent "100% more on LED strips"?
Because it's not possible to build a gaming system for $800 with a Ryzen 3600. $300 for the CPU, $150 for the motherboard, $100 for 16GB RAM, $100 for a decent PSU, another $50 for a bargain case. So you're really going to build a gaming PC with a $100 GPU? Really?
never say never my friend i had to dig deep for this one: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/471740
Look, I'm not going to argue with ignorant buffoons who failed primary school maths. If you're building a $1000 system and you spend $2 on an LED strip instead of $1, are you an idiot because you spent "100% more on LED strips"?
i'll leave the intricacies of budgeting a pc building to the individual it is not my concern ;)
and look i don't disagree with you on this point, if someone has a use for that 10% extra power then i say go for it, i'm not against it, but i'm not sure if most people understand whether they really need that 10%.
never say never my friend i had to dig deep for this one: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/471740
That's a pre-covid build though. Prices have gone up since then.
@Clear: sure but its still entirely possible at $800, the AUD has recovered too…
that deal was the pinnacle of value that techfast delivered so i'm cherry picking a bit
@p1 ama: Bargain doesn't have to mean budget, for example if a shop was selling the 3900x for 550 that would be a bargain but hardly budget.
TBH if I was doing a budget gaming build a 10400f is faster than any ryzen and costs $242, add a Asus Z490M-plus for $225 and Patriot Viper 3600C17 for $119 and you have the core of a very fast gaming rig for under $600.
Remember to fork out extra $$$ for a Z-series motherboard so that you can use your 3600 MHz RAM.
Even in this market, Intel tries to restrict what its customers can and can not do with regards to overclocking.
$369 not long time ago on SE
$400 is a lot of money for an i5, and TDP of 125W - can anyone say Prescott P4 3.6Ghz??
I previously made a comment about PCIe 3 vs 4. I think really, don't worry about it. Testing has shown that yes there is technically a difference, but it isn't ground breaking, you're really not leaving performance on the table, so it's more important the price/performance of the CPU and a 10600K, especially at this price, is probably one of the highest performing CPUs per $ you can get. Not 'the' best value, but it's very nearly 'the' best CPU for high frame rate, you'll still get into a Z490 system that has a 'good chance' of supporting PCIe4 on a future CPU should it really matter and you need to upgrade, but you probably won't, because it probably doesn't matter.
$50 more on amazon US for a 3700x, although the clock speeds are better on this.