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[Backorder] Seagate Expansion Desktop 16TB External Hard Drive $431.22 + Delivery (Free with Prime) @ Amazon UK via AU

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[Backorder] Seagate Expansion Desktop 16TB External Hard Drive $431.22 + Delivery (Free with Prime) @ Amazon UK via AUAffiliate
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Caped Baldy on 19/08/2020 - 17:44 amazon.com.au (2473 clicks)
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Same drive as this deal but even cheaper by more than 50 dollarydoos, however it is on backorder and is fulfilled by amazon UK rather than US https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/557264

This model should have an Exos X16 ST16000NM001G 16TB (7200 RPM) inside and is less than $27/TB.

The seagate external drives come with AU plugs. So stop asking.

Does not need mod for 3.3v pin issue, that affects some WD drives not Seagate.

Highly recommended to do a write check to see if there are bad sectors before shucking. Use a program like HD Tune. Takes around two days.

You should be able to use Crystal Disk Info to determine the drive inside.

Tutorial on HD Tune
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s45BA7mczts

Video tutorials on shucking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0DevtBXP6A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RQv9raiPQg

Was $422.43 at original time of posting.
The Amazon US deal also seems to have dropped to $459.23 ($28.70/TB).
Thanks to XZT for letting me know of the price change.

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        • chid on 08/09/2020 - 20:10

          that's an insane price!

  • Moi on 10/09/2020 - 01:32
    +1

    Finally shipping after 3 weeks.

    Sadly I too missed the price drop to $387 - that's an awesome price for the Exos.

    • Caped Baldy on 10/09/2020 - 07:45

      Hmmm. Mine still hadn't shipped.

  • notJV on 10/09/2020 - 09:23

    Shows item is in stock.

    EDIT: Price for new orders is $441.17.

  • username999 on 10/09/2020 - 13:12

    My 16TB Seagate order for $422 has been dispatched today.

    I just cancelled the WD 14TB $383 as I think this exo(hopefully) drive is better despite being a little bit more expensive. Dont really need both.

    • BargainKen on 10/09/2020 - 21:11
      +1

      They're $338 for the WD 14's now - https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/563850

      Also rumour has it they're actually 7200RPM drives (as are the seagate drives)… wonder whats the difference…

      • Caped Baldy on 10/09/2020 - 21:47

        False advertising from WD is the difference. Potentially there is higher power draw than anticipated.

        • BargainKen on 10/09/2020 - 22:25
          -1

          Was the drive advertised as 5400RPM? I dont recall RPM or power draw ever being mentioned anywhere considering they're sold as external drives driven by a power brick, not shucked and thrown into a PC/NAS

          https://documents.westerndigital.com/content/dam/doc-library…

          When it comes to shucking you get what you get, no guarantees it'll be anything other than whats written on the box.

          • Caped Baldy on 10/09/2020 - 22:33

            @BargainKen: The spec sheets say 5400rpm. This applies to other labels including reds not just white labelled which are normally the shucked drives.

            This reddit post goes in more details.
            https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/ikk0rv/psa_mul…

            • BargainKen on 10/09/2020 - 23:24
              -1

              @Caped Baldy: Spec sheet doesnt say anything

              "Looking at the spec sheets provided by WD, it seems they don't really list the rotational speed, but rather some fictitious "Performance Class". WD Reds (except Pro) are listed as "5400RPM Class". It would be great to figure out which WD Reds are actually 7200RPM."

              The only shifty (I'm aware of) that WD pulled that got them into hot water was selling SMR drives for NAS applications.

                • BargainKen on 11/09/2020 - 07:48

                  @Caped Baldy: I have, and you're free to interpret their marketing fluff all you want, but I look for the actual number and unless they explicitly state on the box its a 5400RPM drive and they give you a 7200RPM then I dont see it as false advertising. If you do want a 5400RPM drive, then purchase the product that lists it in the specifications.
                  I do wonder if there is some means to enable AAM (which slows the drive down a little) to manage the noise…. Google is giving mixed results as usual..

        • Nom on 11/09/2020 - 10:01
          -1

          False advertising where ?

          product-overview-wd-elements-desktop.pdf

          WD do not specify any rpm for the Elements external drives, nor do they specify power usage. The only specs they commit to are the physical dimensions, weight, and storage capacity.

          • Caped Baldy on 11/09/2020 - 10:17

            @Nom: The 5400rpm/7200rpm false advertising applies to other products in the WD line up.
            There are operational benefits to having lower rpms, mainly lower draw and temp

  • notJV on 10/09/2020 - 13:25
    +1

    Just got notification of one of my disks being shipped (I ordered 2 in separate orders). Although I am not sure about the tracking information, which says Australia Post Global ? Is that a new service ? How quick is this ?

    FYI, I have never ordered from Amazon UK. only via Amazon US, which usually gets delivered by DHL and once by Fastway/Aramex.

    • Moi on 10/09/2020 - 13:30

      How quick is this ?

      Not very. My expected delivery date is 7th October - doh!

      • notJV on 10/09/2020 - 13:35
        +1

        Same ETA for my orders. But I have found these dates are tentative. Actual shipping times can vary.

        • notJV on 15/09/2020 - 14:10

          My drives landed in Melbourne yesterday. I will call myself lucky, if I see them by Friday.

  • garetz on 10/09/2020 - 17:19
    +1

    I managed to buy it at $387.77, also just got shipped today.

    • Caped Baldy on 10/09/2020 - 21:48

      Wow did you have the 3x camel price set up?

      • garetz on 11/09/2020 - 02:59

        It was just a fluke, happened to be looking at amazon when it happened for about an hour late at night.

  • ruddiger7 on 10/09/2020 - 21:38

    Just got the shipping notice for my 4 drives. Stock must have finally arrived.

    • chid on 10/09/2020 - 22:43

      also the same 7th of October?

      • ruddiger7 on 10/09/2020 - 22:45

        Eta 25th september, ordered about a week ago. Dhl is courier

        • notJV on 11/09/2020 - 00:19

          You got a better courier. I got Aus Post Global, and seems they have a slower service… ETA is 7th Oct at the moment.

          • ruddiger7 on 16/09/2020 - 10:51

            @notJV: onboard for delivery today, quicker than expected

            • notJV on 16/09/2020 - 15:32

              @ruddiger7: Expecting one today and one disk tomorrow (I submitted 2 separate orders), if Aus Post tracking is to be believed.

          • Caped Baldy on 16/09/2020 - 17:25

            @notJV: I've got Aus Post Global as well with an expected date of 7/10. Going on Auspost tracking it is in Sydney already so fingers crossed for this week.

            I find sometimes they under quote the delivery date to give themselves more time.

            I used this https://apgecommerce.com/tracking and clicked through to the "local" aus post website to track in more detail.

            • notJV on 16/09/2020 - 23:05

              @Caped Baldy: Yeah, it's definitely appearing to be a case of under selling and over delivering, as my 2 parcels are also sitting in my local depots, and hopefully will get delivered tomorrow.

              But knowing how Aus Post is operating in Melbourne at the moment, it might take few more days.

              • Caped Baldy on 18/09/2020 - 09:16

                @notJV: Just got mine this morning. Came in another box with packing paper instead of bubble wrap. Better than the bare box for my 10TB.

                Edit: CDI is saying it is exos (ST16000NM001G-2KK103). Only problem now is that it write protection for some reason.

  • atlas on 16/09/2020 - 16:04

    Got mine via AusPost today

    • notJV on 16/09/2020 - 23:06

      How was your parcel packaging?

      • Moi on 17/09/2020 - 10:45

        Mine arrived just now. Quicker than I expected (was shipped through Sydney - delivery was for Canberra)

        Parcel packaging wasn't great. Came in a big Amazon box but they hardly used any packing so it's all very loose inside the box. Hopefully doesn't affect the drive itself too much - will be testing it anyhow before shucking.

        • notJV on 17/09/2020 - 20:08

          Got both of mine as well today via Aus Post.

          Really bad packaging, as in no padding at all.
          Will start scanning on the disks tonight.

  • Moi on 17/09/2020 - 19:50

    Anyone shucked theirs yet to confirm the Exos?

    Mine still doing a HD Tune error scan before I'll attempt it.

  • notJV on 17/09/2020 - 22:34

    Running preclear on these disks now.

    The enclosures are really not designed well. My HP server reports 18°C ambient temperature and internal disk temperatures are around 31°C.

    The 16TB disks in their enclosures are reporting temperatures 58 and 60°C.

    • notJV on 18/09/2020 - 09:59

      The disk temperartures went upto 64'C when I checked this morning, so I paused the preclear, and moved the disks.
      They are running much cooler, still in lower 50s though.

    • Moi on 18/09/2020 - 11:12
      +1

      The 16TB disks in their enclosures are reporting temperatures 58 and 60°C.

      Yeah mine got up to 52°C before I remembered that I should stick a fan on it while it's doing the error scan. Currently 36°C - still doing the error scan though.

      • Caped Baldy on 18/09/2020 - 13:07

        Good tip. I put mine on my air purifier. Down to 38C from 55C.

        • storageguy on 18/09/2020 - 13:13
          +1

          Ya when doing the error scans the temps can go up to 58C when i did my error scan on the hard drive. Caped u must be happy with your 16TB hard drive. Any plans to shuck it into the PC or a NAS unit ;)

          • Caped Baldy on 18/09/2020 - 13:59

            @storageguy: I am pretty pleased. Only disappoint thing to see it listed as 14.5TB in my computer, but you get that with all drives.
            I shucked a 10TB into my PC less than a year ago so still have a few TB free, the 16TB will be a manual backup.

            Had been wanting to put into a NAS but they're eye wateringly expensive. Might be smarter for me to get a UPS and do the manual back up.

  • Caped Baldy on 18/09/2020 - 19:31

    Not sure why but my error scan is taking ages. Probably going to take almost a week at this rate.

    • storageguy on 18/09/2020 - 21:11
      +1

      Hey Caped,

      Shouldnt take so long man. My 16tb Exos took 26 - 30 hours for the error scan to complete. The scan rate when I used HD tunepro to check for bad errors was averaging 175Mb/s scan speed. Error scan speed should be in the range of 165MB/s to 177MB/s mate.

      Yer I also thought the 16tb hhd would have 16tbs but it came to 14.5TB. I guess that 1.5tb is always taken off for software or something or the manufacturers always do that I think.

      • Caped Baldy on 18/09/2020 - 21:25

        Thanks. Restart did the trick. The front usb 3.0 on my PC sometimes go slow.

      • Moi on 19/09/2020 - 12:07

        Yer I also thought the 16tb hhd would have 16tbs but it came to 14.5TB

        This is normal and not related to the software installed on the HDD.

        It comes down to mathematics. HDD manufacturers use base-10 to indicate capacity but the OS uses base-2 for capacity. And because two different numerical systems are being used, the same storage capacity will be shown as different results.

        So 1 gigabyte (GB) is equal to 1,000,000,000 bytes in base-10 (used by HDD manufacturers)
        Whereas 1 gigabyte (GB) is equal to 1,073,741,824 bytes in base-2 (used by the OS)

        So 16 terabyte (TB) is equal to 16,000,000,000,000 bytes in base-10 = 16TB.
        But will be reported in the OS as 16,000,000,000,000 / 1024 / 1024 / 1024 / 1024 = 14.5TB.

        You can use this calculator to see real capacities http://www.endmemo.com/data/diskcapacity.php

        More details https://www.dell.com/support/article/en-au/sln115145/hard-dr…

  • chid on 23/09/2020 - 12:07

    I just got mine, does anyone's clicks once in a while? I can make a recording for you but it makes me nervous

    • notJV on 23/09/2020 - 12:14
      +1

      Yeah, my disks make a loud clicking and sometimes a thumping noise. I have put them through a 78 hour preclear cycle, and had no errors, so my disks are fine.

      I read somewhere on reddit,t hat these disks are prone to making such noises.

    • Caped Baldy on 23/09/2020 - 12:17

      Makes a bit of noise starting up when copying files over from idle. Not clicking that I've noticed

      • notJV on 23/09/2020 - 12:22

        These disks are no where as silent as my older WD 4TB Reds.

        But as they passed the preclear test, I have no issues. My NAS sits in a cabinet in my garage, so the noise does not matter much to me.

        • chid on 23/09/2020 - 13:14

          Thanks - it seems very silent during my testing, amazingly so. The irony is that at idle/random seeks its very noisy and clicky usually means bad things.

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