Cheaper from Amazon UK - out of stock again.
Just under $29/TB for a 16TB external drive which should have an Exos X16 ST16000NM001G 16TB (7200 RPM)(reddit.com) drive inside.
A great option if you want to fill your NAS. No order limit from what I can see.
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Seagate Exos x16 16TB HDD is going for $1088 AUD from Shoppingexpress. RRP is $1318.90 AUD.
https://www.shoppingexpress.com.au/buy/seagate-exos-x16-16tb…
JW wants $1195.
https://www.jw.com.au/seagate-16tb-exos-x16-hdd-512e-4kn-sat…
So you're saving a crap load of money shucking it from one of the enclosures although you do lose out on warranty.
Hey holly thanks for the reply.
Wow never knew that the barebones Seagate Exos x16 16TB HDD costs more than $1000 with a price tag of almost 1.1k AUD. That means we should save at least 500 bucks if we shuck it from inside the enclosure. I will always do a full write and error check with HDtune pro to see if there are any bad sectors before I shuck.
As for warranty, its not worth the $500 plus premium on top as long as you ran surface scans on your HD before lol.
Theres nothing to lose, amazon offer returns within 30 days.
No guarantee that it will be 7200rpm. Disks runs too hot inside the enclosure and isn't reliable. Everyone is talking like they're getting a Exos 16TB but if its in these enclosures then it has failed many QC tests and will be limited to 5400rpm. Might also not have certain NAS features that the original has. It's sold a few hundred dollars cheaper for a reason
"then it has failed many QC tests and will be limited to 5400rpm. Might also not have certain NAS features that the original has. It's sold a few hundred dollars cheaper for a reason" that's a bold statement to make.where is your source? Do you work for Seagate? I call total BS on that
You can continue being naive about how disks are sourced and packaged but the only time the legitimate high end drives were put in an enclosed case were when WD ran out of stock years ago and had to put red drives in the 4TB external. For external packs, 7200 speed is knocked down to 5400 as those tested drives couldn't handle the heat and are slowed down. As being put in an enclosed case with no cooling would fry it. I can go on about so many different failures and features knocked back with these but you can do your own research and maybe you'll find out the hard way it's not the same disk. All the best Mr Naivety.
@Whisper Quiet: Totally wrong. By the way those WD Red 4TB hard drives from those WD 4TB enclosures are actually natively 5400rpm. They were always that. They don't develop NAS hard drives for 7200rpm it's always 5400rpm to save on heat and power.
And by the way you often find Seagate Exos hard drives in Seagate desktop enclosures at 10TB or higher. And Seagate Exos is higher end enterprise hard drives. And if you don't find an Exos HDD in one of the enclosures it will be a Barracuda Pro which is higher end than the standard base Seagate Barracuda. Barracuda Pro is not much different from an Exos in the first place it's identical in hardware but with another firmware and label on it. Both Exos and Barracuda Pro is native 7200rpm.
And wouldn't you think by now that hard drives manufacturers would have developed thermal protection throttling in the drive itself to avoid a hard drive from being fried. No it only slows itself down if it gets hot.
So you know where to place your uninformative and factually incorrect comments.
Hangon. Then how come the 10TB HDD i shucked from a Seagate Backup Plus Hub 10TB is a 7200rpm (Barracuda Pro). Your comment was nonsense. It was 7200rpm from the get go whether in the enclosure or not. It's now running in my desktop PC at 7200rpm like it always was.
Also by the way. I'm pretty sure that modern hard drives have thermal throttling technology to avoid the HDD from being fried. It will just seek from the HDD at a slower speed.
Barracuda is not a performance drive it's entry level. Those are the cheap ones they normally put in the externals. I'm talking about people saying that they're getting a WD red or Seagate Ironwolf, Exos etc and expecting it to be the same drive as standard. Also very rare that the drive will actual do 7200rpm even if it says it does by default on your readout for the specs. It will say 7200 but capped at 5400. That's why they don't release spec info about the drive for externals. Is everyone noobs in the PC game here? Or you just choose to believe whatever the companies tell you.
@Whisper Quiet: Barracuda Pro is not the entry level drive. It's the consumer desktop high end performance 7200rpm HDD. Developed as 7200rpm from the ground up. There is no 5400rpm on that HDD. It's the standard Barracuda HDD from 4TB to 8TB which is 5400rpm. But the last base model Barracuda was the Barracuda 8TB HDD. Any higher size then that and it's all native 7200rpm.
So i suggest before posting a comment that you research exactly what Barracuda Pro is.
So yes there are 7200rpm hard drives in Seagate enclosures be it Barracda Pro or Exos which run at full 7200rpm speed in those said enclosures. But you only find them in either Seagate Expension or Backup Plus Hub 10TB or higher.
And here i am rocking on a Seagate Barracuda Pro 10TB ST10000DM004 shucked out of the Seagate Backup Plus Hub 10TB enclosure. And it reads at about 250mb/s at the full 7200rpm.
Thats a lot of data to lose in 1 go…
this has been mentioned again and again whenever theres a bump in capacity. if you are afraid of losing data, back it up. if you want it to have good uptime, then put in redundancy such as RAID.
If you are buying 16tb, then you will have more than 16tb already.
Over the years, I have gone from 500gb drives to 1tb to 2 tb to 4tb. Every time going up a step, the old drives act as back ups. I would have gone for this, if it wasn't for the fact I only have about 8 tb in data all up, and they are already duplicated, if not triplicated.
How much cashback?
currently zero parcent for electronics, checked SB and Crewa last night
So damn tempting but I'm going to be good and not buy this one… going to leave my DS1019+ with a couple of empty bays and one day will buy 2x16TB drives to upgrade!
WD Elements that I purchased recently worked out to cost around $25/TB (after cashback, $310 each full price). This is cheaper than this Seagate, per/TB. Also, it's more difficult to shuck a Seagate external drive without damaging the enclosure (which makes it difficult to make a warranty claim later). It takes very little effort to shuck a WD Elements.
If the primary use case for this drive (shucked of course) is NAS, you should consider WD Elements 12TB or 14TB instead. Being 5400RPM and filled with Helium they run a lot cooler than any 7200RPM drive. I have two three NAS servers, two of which contain WD Elements drives. They're also very quiet and more suitable to NAS operation due to higher resilience to vibration (NAS enclosures have typically 4 or more slots so the combined vibration of all drives can be considerable).
And before you ask… no, lower RPM drives in a NAS will not be a bottleneck for most users due to way RAID's operate (usually network is the bottleneck).
IMO it's six of one half a dozen of the other. Agree with your point generally about speed for using these in a NAS but so long as these contain the Exos X16 you're comparing enterprise against consumer grade HDs. I'd be very surprised if the data would support the WD Elements drives lasting longer than the Exos X16 - but happy to be corrected on this.
Also, if you only have 4 bays, using 16TB drives instead of 12TB or 14TB makes sense if space is important to you.
Ultimately I'd say it depends on your needs. Backblaze are using the Exos X16 so I'm happy to take that as recommendation enough.
hollykryten reported that these are probably Barracuda Pro. The re-labeled HGST Ultrastars reported on the WD 14tb Elements would be in a similar class IMO. Some people reckon that these higher end drives might be the ones not rated for the full spec of their original label and are downgraded into enclosures. If that's the case they might not deliver the same resilience as a true Exos or Barracuda. Max drive/vibration tolerance is a major factor there (along with noise being a personal concern), so I definitely have to agree with jace88 if you're concerned about vibration, noise, or heat the elements are the better choice, but when it comes to longevity yeah it's uncertain to make a call either way
I would add that if you're really concerned about risk of data loss and/or performance, then just spend the little bit extra and get the NAS drives with the warranty. I know nothing is entirely guaranteed, and you should always have backups (inb4 RAID is not a backup), but I wouldn't be cheaping out if the data was critical to me.
How do these compare to WD Red for use in a Synology NAS home media server?
At the moment I have 2x 4TB drives in SHR/BTRFS setup which was ample for 3 years whilst we had our old TV and used 1080p media, but now I'm saving a lot more 4k content and have sailed close to running out of space a couple of times.
Before buying those drives I had a Seagate external 3TB unit which failed after 2 years (and still sits in a cupboard with a few years worth of inaccessible old photos on it that were foolishly not backed up elsewhere), then research at the time told me WD were more reliable than Seagate. But now at half the price per TB for these is it a safe upgrade?
Stick to 5400rpm drives. No point getting a loud high speed enterprise drive if you've still got slower drives (and you're just using it as a media server/photos/etc).
Best bang for buck though I've found is shucking 12TB drives - perfectly suited for home media duties.
And as for drive failures, plenty of views and experiences out there but that's why we have RAID setups, and also backups (RAID =/= backup).
Come on job market! I need a new job before I can justify any more tech, damn this is tempting.
God I can't wait for the all SSD future. The wait is killing me with HDDs (haha)
The bare Exos drive that doesn't have to be shucked is $100 cheaper from Amazon US??
https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-256MB-3-5-Inch-Enterprise-ST1…
That's USD.
519.66 Australian Dollar
I stand corrected.
3 including shipping and GST = 1,851.19 AUD (Amazon converted) so actually 617 AUD each, but they are including 5 year warranty and no shucking to do
@storageguy: If you mean at amazon, then $519 is before shipping and gst. On the US amazon site these are added later during the checkout process. Total is $420.80 US or ~ $590 AUD.
And then 10% GST added (and shipping)
why does the size keep increasing every 'deal' lol
Has been happening with storage since the beginning of time. It always just gradually drops in price.
I know I just meant we had a deal for 10 tb then 12 then 14 and now 16
I just want a 5tb :P
5TB would be pushing it for me. My Steam game library is hitting 4TB. So i went and got a Barracuda Pro 10TB HDD shucked from a Seagate Backup Plus Hub 10TB. Works great.
@hollykryten: I need to replace a 10-year-old 2tb drive so yea i dont wanna quadruple/quintuple the size for no reason lol
my PC has 3tb of SSD and 6tb of hd storage already :P
@hollykryten: Or maybe hold out for a really good deal on 4TB SSD even if it’ll be QLC? Perfect for steam!
@hollykryten: I think circa $550ish is where it seems to have plateaued (with Samsung cashback). I was very close to pulling the trigger on an 860 QVO previously but ultimately decided I'd rather upgrade my laptop to a 2TB 970 Evo Plus instead and later on I got a 2TB MX500 instead.
Dang now we are talking, 16tb for $500 not to bad, 32tb for $1000 not too bad, still reluctant to buy it, but about time.
64tb for $2000 not too bad
Geez that's crazy.
Not as crazy as 128tb for $4000
A noob question, if I back up internal drive to this one before shucking, the partition and data should still be there after I shuck and put it in a rig? I expect it to be the case since this is just a closure, but not 100% sure.
Data that is copied across while in the enclosure will remain exactly the same once shucked and used as an internal drive. If you wish to copy across a boot partition then you will need to use imaging software to make a bootable drive.
Cool, that's all I need to know, thanks.
can you confirm its right for this enclosure? some usb to sata bridge chips can encrypt the data
Can anyone who's shucked this in Sydney spare a power supply or two by any chance? Inner city would be ideal. Thank you.
People wont be receiving their disks for at least 2 weeks, so you might be waiting a while.
Doesnt it come with the power adapter/plug.
Yes, it does. Unfortunately, I now have a couple without power supplies after lending them to friends and families,
I'll PM you
i need a new backup drive thats 14-16TB, as a weekly backup for my NAS array.
what will the warranty coverage be for something like this? seagate seems to be the only cost effective option, but ive had too many seagates die…
It's right there on the Amazon page :
"Enjoy long-term peace of mind with the included one-year limited warranty"
Total for 2: $963.66 ($0.00 delivery or other fees)
Total for 3: $1,528.59 ($0.00 delivery, $83.10 Import Fees Deposit)
Is that deposit refundable?
Guess I'm better off placing 2 separate orders if I want 3 or 4 of them?
Why is Import Fees Deposit charged for orders > $1k ?
It's an over $1000 AUD importation deposit for tax. You won't get any refund unless your import tax, customs duty and fees turns out to be lower than the deposit. But it's likely not to be.
This is information about the Import Fees Deposit.
https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/help/customer/display.html?node…
Thanks. So it seems that for < $1000 orders, Amazon charges GST itself on the US import and avoids having to pay customs clearance fees but for over $1k they are payable
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B088S9PWNM/
This works out a bit cheaper…Looks to be the same drive.
I think that might be USD ?
It is but converts to under $450
just did the math, even with shipping its significantly cheaper. Good find, was about to pull the trigger on this
@codeworxsteve: https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-256MB-3-5-Inch-Enterprise-ST1…
bare drive works out about $530 which decent too.
Good find mate, I also got an option to buy $100USD to my Amazon US gift balance to get $10USD free gift balance (for those topping up balance for the first time with minimum $100) which I then used towards the purchase. Worked out to get a $20 saving over the original deal.
Ah. GST
When you go through the checkout it adds GST, making the USD total about 354 (~$493 AUD)
(profanity)…I didnt go that far…That sucks
Has anybody's order shipped yet? I placed my order on the 10th and it hasn't moved yet.
The estimated delivery date was about 3 weeks when you ordered - I wouldn't expect it to ship any time soon.
My last few orders shipped after about 2 weeks, and then took 5 days to arrive 👍
Thanks Nom. It arrived today.
Received and teardown it just now. It's 16TB Exos X16 ST16000NM001G. connected my external usb adaptor and tested copying 180GB movies to it, the speed is about 170-210MB/s.
Sounds like a great deal compared to how much the Exos X16 HDD is going for from Australian PC stores. Easily over $1000.
Just received the 16TB HDD yesterday. Can confirm its the ST16000NM001G-2KK103 16000.9 GB using Crystal disk info which is the 16TB Exos X16 HHD drive inside. Running the Error scan now with HD Tune Pro to check for any bad sectors.
Just wanna ask is it usual for the tempature to heat up to the high 40s like 48 degrees while running these checks because it looks like the hard drive is spinning at full pelt trying to scan the sectors so I suppose it could be that reason. Also its inside these enclosures which have no ventalation so Im guessing high temps is because of these 2 factors.
Yes, the drive in the case runs warm for most of them and when your doing a burn in, gets heated much quicker for the many hours it will be hitting the disk,
Great to see them all arriving with the exo drives :)
If you plan on running this in the PC after keep us posted on the temps you get :D
Unfortunately it's gone up to $467.64 now… so time to take chances with the Amazon UK deal for $431.22 even though it's on backorder.
Received 4 of them bought at $481.83 each, tempted to get a fifth now at $467.64 although cheapest was $446 just 3 days ago https://au.camelcamelcamel.com/product/B088S9PWNM
Did you have to pay any tax or duties at customs?
No, I split it into 2 orders, each of which was below $1000. If you do more than $1000 in one order coming from Amazon US it adds an extra charge
Through Amazon the customs tax is already pre charged in the Amazon order. So you should know any way if you check the cart before purchasing.
Placed order for UK listing (backordered) at $431.22 yesterday, will try to cancel and re-order if it drops again
lol netsurfer I have decided to gamble too. Either I get a 16tb enterprise exos drive or a 16tb burracuda pro drive. Fingers crossed that we are lucky.
Oh yeah does anyone know the original price for these segate 16tb drives. Just curious to know how much we are saving on these hard drives?