Similar to previous deal: https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/545955 About $10 cheaper.
Delivery around mid Aug.
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I was going to go with this but the wait time was a killer for me and of mixed reviews so i ended up going with the Asus ROG Strix B550 F Gaming WiFi
That is my ideal board but it's $249!
I'm building a PC for my nephew with a Ryzen 5 3600.
Do you recommend the B550 over the B450 Tomahawk?
I don't know the ins and outs of each board, but The B550 board supports next gen where the B450 won't.
Edit : sorry it appears the arrangement has changed and 450 boards appear to support next gen.
X470 Gaming Plus MAX, essentially a Tomahawk minus USB-C for less. It costs less ($189 w/ free sh. at Centrecom) because it's probably a less popular option. B450M Mortar MAX is also good if you don't mind the loss of PCIe slots. As smpantsonfire said neither will support Ryzen 5000, so you're screwed for upgrades either way.
Right now it really depends on the purpose.
Do you expect them to last for 5+ years on it? If so paying the slight extra for B550 may be worth it.
The main things being WIFI 6 and 2.5 Gigabit ethernet. If they're going to upgrade their networking anytime in the next 5 years or so this might be the thing that matters.
Future CPU upgrades are a thing however its not likely they'll go from Ryzen 3rd gen to 4th gen. It is possible that any generation after this may not even be on the AM4 socket.
PCIe Gen 4 is the other main benefit however this is less so of a an actual reason to go for B550 over B450. It's nice to have and use for the upgrade but really it's not going to be a huge impact for quite a bit.
@wackedupwacko: Thanks wacko.
It's a 1080p gaming rig for a young guy and I'm sure his dad wants it to last as long as possible with minimal upgrades.
The B450 Tomahawk doesn't come with wifi so I was going to buy a card anyway.
I was looking at the Gigabyte B550 Aorus Elite earlier, the only downside that I could see is there is no USB-C. Any B550 boards you recommend?
the problem with the chipset fan is it will be covered by the graphic card if you have a long and large card, however most people bought this motherboard will use a powerful graphic card. I got this motherboard in 2 week even the waiting time was listed as 4-6 week when I bought it.
Mount card vertically, problem solved.
Yay hot throttling GPU
Bad design.
Yup went with a B550 board instead since it doesn't have a chipset fan
It's my understanding that unless you are running PCIe V4 stuff the fan will not even move. I've certainly never seen mine turning ^Shrug^
Chipset fans are unforgivable
Are they audible?
I have this board, never noticed the chipset fan. I don't use any pcie 4.0 cards though
That's what I thought.
Depends on the manufacturer, but my experience with X570 Unify is pretty positive. Setting to silent mode it never spins up, but testing out different fan curves it wasn't that bad honestly. It's basically the equivalent of a GPU fan, but I think MSI use slightly larger fans then others, they also position the fans in a more logical way (GPU doesn't sit on top of it).
Same with me. My MSI MEG Ace never spins up. Not even sure why it is there TBH.
cheaper than I paid for a B550 recently.
Honestly, unless you genuinely have a use case for PCIe 4.0 (GPU isn't an issues, PCIe 3.0 will remain relevant for a lot longer like 2.0 has) or are pairing with a really strong CPU like a 3900X or 3950X just get a B450M Mortar MAX or X470 Gaming Plus MAX and put the money to something else like a better GPU. You're investing in an EOL socket which almost certainly won't support Ryzen 5000 anyway, and all of the boards above already have such great VRMs that you're comparing two overkill solutions and processors can only get more efficient from here on (ok fine 3000 XT but no one's buying that shit).
TL;DR: Running a 3900X+ and there isn't any significant upgrade you can make with $100? Get this. Otherwise just get an X470 Gaming Plus MAX ($189) or B450M Mortar Max ($179).
I have Mortar Max, Wake On Lan, wol, flat out doesn't work.
And it takes a good 17 seconds to post / do the bios stuff only. I have 4 mechanical HDD as well, but they aren't selected as boot possibilities in bios and I boot off a ssd.
Everything else works "great", but that's really only another way of saying, "as expected". I one click overclocked my ram from the xmp profile of 2999 to 3200 which was nice.
There was a x370 board at umart for $109 I thought about getting just because I expected it might have some premium features but I have enough computers.
TLDR, I couldn't recommend b450 max as anything more than functional. It's slow to boot and WoL is broken.
I think the post time is cut down a little bit on X570 and B550 because the BIOS is cut down, they probably have less microcodes because they don't support Ryzen 1000. That said you do have 4 HDDs, and it can be increased further with USB devices. As for WOL you could look at the edit in this post, and also make sure ERP control is disabled. This sounds like an edge case.
Yeah true.
But the other reason to go X570 or B550 though is amd announced they next gen processors won’t work on the 400 series motherboards.
No, they didn't. Well, they did, but they backtracked on that statement.
Oh really I didn’t realise. Maybe I should get a 400 rather than a B550
@blackfalcon53: I'd specifically go for MSI MAX boards, because with the 16MB non-MAX ones they might have to cut down on features in the BIOS, and MSI is also the only manufacturer to have announced support. On top of that they just make the best ones anyway.
@Void: Yeah maybe I should cancel my order. I have ordered a Gigabyte B550 Auros Pro based on Gamers Nexus video.
But going x470 or b450 would save me $80 ish.
@dexx: Yeah if i went for a mATX board (which i don't want to because i think they look bad in ATX cases).
But the ATX board isn't in stock at Centrecom online (which has free shipping). So once you count the $15 shipping makes it $205, so only a $74 saving over the $279 i paid.
They will work depending on manufacturer but its a one-way trip meaning once BIOS is updated to support the yet-to-be-released Zen 3 chips, you wont be able to use your old CPU anymore (its due to how the BIOS will be rearranged to support Zen3).
one-way trip meaning once BIOS is updated to support the yet-to-be-released Zen 3 chips, you wont be able to use your old CPU anymore (its due to how the BIOS will be rearranged to support Zen3).
True, but that's a non-issue. Anyone seriously planning on upgrading to Ryzen 4000 series and then downgrading to Ryzen 1000 series…?
@BargainKen: Exactly. The poor buggers who are looking for 2nd hand motherboard down the track had something else coming when they realise after buying the board that it won't work with their 3700X or 3600X or 3600 or whatever it is they happen to have and will be forced to pay for the expensive upgrade for the CPU or take another chance buying a used one. Expensive indeed.
@craving: Yep repurposing, resale value, unit testing - all sorts of weird and wonderful reasons given how many processors AM4 supported.
Everyone has a genuine reason to run gen4 and that's because gen4 storage is so much faster and is only a $50 premium.
You're probably on team samsung 970 but any of the gen4 drives are better by a long shot. (there's also a bunch of gen3 drives better now)
Lmao no one has a genuine reason to run Gen 4, it's at ONLY a $50 dollar premium for zero real world gain. And I thought Samsung nutters were silly.
Grab a gen4 next time one comes up cheap (1tb if possible). You'll agree.
@drew442: Sure mate. I went from a freaking DRAMless SATA SSD to a TLC NVMe SSD which hits 2GB/s and there was no difference, even as someone who edits video. Take your false "information" elsewhere.
@Void: To say that Gen4 is faster isn't false.
It's possible your video workload of a large number of small block transfers operates in the area where almost all SSDs overlap in performance. This would be true for scrubbing through video:
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/oCY7gQeAwXpu9PVhS3Mq8X-189…
You may also be dipping into an area when you're writing to NAND and not cache, therefore the DRAMless SSD performs similar. This is particualy the case with QLC drives like 660P and P1:
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/NaFfaEJksojRcYAJGJ3nZQ-189…
Which drive is the TLC you're using?
You will dip into the large sequential reads and writes daily though.
Please try to keep personal attacks to a minimum. I don't mind, i'm thick skinned, but others will be interested in following our conversation along and it isn't useful.
@drew442: Sure Gen 4 is faster in sequential speeds, but I have neeeever noticed the difference between even SATA and NVMe. The drive is a Kingston A2000, from a Lexar NS100, and I even used a 960 EVO and couldn't differentiate the drives. All you're giving me are synthetic benchmarks, which don't tell me anything about the real world performance.
@Void: I disagree that I don't include real world performance in my conclusion. I mention the IO pattern of a video scrub.The second bit about overrunning cache is just the size of the cache vs the size of the write and therefore leading to non-cache like performance. You can use your imagination on that one.
In terms of does the video get edited and uploaded as per the deadline, the speed of the disk has no bearing on that. You are correct.
You reluctant agreeance that gen 4 is faster and it's not MY 'false' information is appreciated.
@drew442: I don't edit huge files, just 1080p at like 60Mbit/s, I'm mostly CPU bound with my 6 threaded 3500X, perhaps it'd change if I got a new CPU but if I've done the math correctly I can scrub at 266x the footage's speed with no hiccups assuming a strong CPU.
Edit: And in LTT's video the tests include scrubbing through the timeline on a video project, and there was no visible difference.
I think people overlook some of the real world application features of b550 and x570 of WIFI 6 and 2.5gigabit ethernet.
Sure you may not be running an internet connection that takes advantage of it, but there are more and more home servers and networks being set up. If you go and upgrade to this later down the track and have to pick up adapters / networks cards that alone will most likely offset the difference in cost.
The PCIe Gen 4 stuff is nice but really the practical big differences (other than needing beefier VRMs) are those 2 features.
I think people overlook that we're in Australia. Internet isn't gonna break 1Gbit without costing $200 pm lol. I addressed the VRM debate already.
The VRM issue will just limit your overclocking headroom really. Even the craptacular MSI Gaming Max boards can still run a 3950x stock, just not O/C. If you dont plan on overclocking much stick to the cheaper boards. In my particular case, making very good use of the better VRM but its not a gaming rig.
my mb doesn't have wifi compatibility, but looks like it's something I will need soon. can anyone give any advice?
best course of action would be to simply install a wifi receiver? I have an MSI B450 gaming plus.
https://www.centrecom.com.au/tp-link-archer-t4e-ac1200-wirel…
Just plugs in below your graphics card
I had a GC-WBAX200, and I had to get rid of it because it was causing temp issues with the GPU on my mATX board, but I made the switch to powerline adapters and I can't tell the difference. Wi-Fi is so good these days, as long as you have 5GHz 802.11ac it's going to saturate your entire internet speed.
Dunno about that, wireless N still has a much longer rage than 802.11ac. I have a fancy DSL-4320L I snagged for a good price service hand and the AC is good if you are next to it and about half bars one room over but one you get 2 rooms over you want to be using the regular wireless N. If you are operating next door to your modem you may as well just run a cable or the powerline stuff.
@Agret: That isn't going to saturate everyone's entire internet speed though. 33Mbps was the hard cap for me with 802.11n.
Amazon US delivered my gpu in a plastic bag where the gpu box had taken a heavy beating and even the box’s seals were cut open. Since then having serious doubts on their quality control for packing.
(yes talked to the support and they offered either a return arrangement or a gift card if i decide to keep it).
How much was the gift card?
Yes sometimes you got to wonder who is im charge of fhe packing at Amazon.
Most of the time I get-rich-quick stuff excessively packaged by Amazon but one of recent highlights was a enameled Dutch oven I had ordered from Amazon US. Was a bit concerned to start with to have it shipped all the wsy here in regards to shipping. And guess how it well it was packaged? It was delivered in its retail packaging, as it would be on the shelf in store, with the postage stickers glued right on it; no extra packaging, nothing. But behold in thorough inspection it turned out not to have a single crack or chip. So either pretty lucky (my theory) or someone knew what he was doing.
Yeah seriously… I’ve had loo paper delivered from amazon au with bubble wrapped and super thick cardboard packaging, yet a vga is put inside a plastic bag…
To be fair this was from amazon-us. Amazon-au had done nothing wrong so far with packaging.
Box seals could be customs having a looksee…
I'm going to go with B550 for Wifi 6, 2.5Gb Ethernet and PCIe 4.0.
Which model are you looking at if you don’t mind me asking? Looking around for a motherboard to pair with a 3800x
Personally I got Gigabyte B550 Aorus Pro which is $279 delivered from Centrecom based on this video: https://youtu.be/ihg6XQiqW7A from Gamers Nexus.
But now wondering whether a X470 would be a better option.
(No wifi 6 on this board though)
Well if you need Wi-Fi 6 no question go for the B550 board, now you're only paying an extra $20 for B550 goodies if you count a Wi-Fi card.
After reading this thread, I am re-evaluating my choice of the X570 Tuf and came across your post.
The Aorus Pro AC would be great for my needs for $20 more (wifi and ARGB headers).
Better audio codec 1220, instead of 1200 (not that I could hear the diff). Same Wifi 5 instead of 6, but I doubt I could even hit wifi 5's limit on my crappy internet.
Always hears bad things about the ARGB support though? Worth switching from Tuf? Around the same price.
By the way, in case you don't need the wifi, I just saw that Amazon US has the none AC, micro ATX version for only $207. With Prime and cashback, it would be around $199, vs $239 locally.
Long lead time so only for those who can wait.
MSI MPG B550 Gaming Plus. Has front USB C which is also a must for me. $289 from PCCG
I can read minds across the internet. You have an NZXT H510.
@Void: So annoying so few board have a USB C front header, this is why I ended up getting a H511 (which is a H510 with two USB A's).
I don't think shops are meant to sell them without a system build, but lots of places seem to.
@blackfalcon53: I thought you were talking about the MB511 for a second lol, they really should be selling the H511 retail, I'm sure not being able to connect the Type-C port is a dealbreaker for some. Personally I hate the H510 though, it's an overused and mediocre case. Would much rather a P300A Mesh or P400A Digital.
@Void: Yeah deff better cases for airflow, but i don't like the look of them in white (which is my preferred colour).
So i'm willing to sacrifice some thermal performance.
Gaming Plus is a fancier A-Pro. B550M Mortar has better VRMs, audio and LAN for less.
Can someone tell me if this is a good price?
link
Or am I better off buying local for speedy delivery?
$296 is the same as local, possibly more.
Link please.
Scorptec have it for $299, but it's often like $289 at Shopping Express and I've seen it at $275. Though if you aren't picking it up Amazon will work out cheaper. Also isn't that Amazon thing you linked already local?
@Dorminate: I'm on my PC, it shows the option for U.S though on the side bar and yeah I think you should get it from there, I heard the return policy is pretty decent and it takes under 2 weeks.
Search staticice.com.au for local prices
ASUS always my choice of motherboard for quality and durability- bought Z490 PLUS TUF gaming $290 and very happy with it
ASUS make some quality gear and they also make horrible products. Look at the 10th gen laptops and overheating issues. Brand loyalty is for suckers. Check the reviews.
Look at the B450-F's VRM solution lol. 3900X was throttling on it.
I built my current PC back in 2016, so it is getting quite old. It's an Intel build, and I have not been really involved in Ryzen builds. Would this be a good pick up if I am looking to upgrade to a Ryzen build in the near future? Say next-gen processors or whatnot.
See my comment, probably not, I'd recommend waiting for the AM5 or AM4+ boards to release next year (hopefully) if you want to future proof.
thank you
If you think a 4 year old PC is old think again. I know a person still using a 12 year old PC running DDR2 and very happy with it. There are many (I mean lots) people still on Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge.
Depending on the individual use case and enthusiasm towards it.
My PC is still extremely viable compared to lots of others, but this doesn't mean I don't hear my AIO fans go ham on heavy-duty tasks and games while not even on max settings.
Usually, Android phones have an update lifespan of 3 years, that is also my personal basis for PC components upgrades, so I would consider 4 years to be relatively old/outdated. And if you consider the new tech that comes with updated hardware, like ray-tracing with RTX, the tech 4 years ago would definitely be outdated.
And for anecdotal argument sake, I also know someone who updates their PC with every generation, he would constantly switch between Intel and Ryzen depending on whatever was most powerful at the time. So extreme cases either way, but personally I would consider 4 years old PC would be old.
Has anyone got this board and can confirm the max PBO OC? I'm using the Prime X570-P and it only has +200mhz which is AMD's reference minimum.
Isn't +200MHz the max?
Only reference. I know tomahawk max has a +500mhz option.
I guess ASUS don't offer higher. From my limited googling only MSI offers 500MHz, but I doubt any CPU is going to even break +200MHz given TDC, EDC and PPT limits. If you want to go further you could try mucking around with static voltages (you'd have to be really lucky to beat non-thermally constrained PBO's single core performance), general rule of thumb is to stay at 1.25V or less, but if you find your FIT voltage you could go higher. I lost and can only do 3.95GHz on my 3500X at 1.23V (thermal constraint), still better than stock even in single core though.
@Void: My 3600 does 4.4ghz all core with PBO so I'm guessing it'll do single core PBO higher than 4.4ghz if it were allowed to. Static OC and static voltage aren't useful. You loose all the benefits that Ryzen offers in most tasks. If you can get a static OC higher than your AVX max clock you'll get a faster render if you're doing that in software. Most people only exceed this clock speed by 25mhz though.
@drew442: I gained a whopping… drum roll please… 4 points in CBR20 single core! Multicore went up 100, so victory! If you have PBO on, it just allows you to set limits, it won't allow the CPU to boost higher with your all core OC. So like you can set EDC, TDC and PPT, meaning it can throttle if it surpasses those limits. So you too are running all core and static voltage, but what do you mean the benefits of Ryzen? You say that you have 4.4GHz all core, which means you will outperform PBO +200 across the board because it will never drop from 4.4GHz.
Edit: Unless you mean PBO without setting the multiplier boosts up to 4.4.
@Void: PBO multiplier +200mhz, not static all core. Monitoring shows all cores at 4.4ghz regularly. This could be a monitoring anomaly though.
One of the major benefits of Ryzen is changing the multiplier and voltage per core every millisecond. This means lower temperatures, higher safe voltages and therefore higher clock speeds. It's difficult to monitor as HWinfo for example can only monitor ever 50ms. HWinfo gets around this by logging 'effective clock' which is the average clock speed for the interval. If you do a log file while playing a game for example, you'll see the effective below 1ghz on some cores.
Here's 254 data points / 15 minutes of Division 2 (minimum interval for HWinfo) on the preferred core. 'Clock Speed' in orange, 'Effective Clock' in blue. This is a 3600, not a very good one:
A static OC will only get [email protected] on this particular CPU.
@drew442: Youch that's terrible. I guess the CPU knows it's being put through a low current workload and cranks the voltage because it sees it safe. I think if you can be within 200MHz of advertised boost you'll have better single core performance, therefore better game performance, but if you're outside that window it's not going to outperform.
Thanks OP! Literally was looking for one of these last night to replace my current X570 which needs to be sent away for warranty, all local businesses are out of stock for this bad boy.
Thanks!
Decided to go with this instead of the B550m version for the better heatsink and ATX form factor.
Hopefully that little chipset fan would not be too noisy