Any reason to buy a Tesla over a Hyundai Ioniq?

cannedhams on 03/07/2020 - 10:25

Well lads, I'm getting older and I don't get around much anymore. Can't tell you the last time I drove more than 200 kilometres and my car is just a runabout for the most part. Plus going to the servo and bantering with the grease monkeys seems like such a minor inconvenience. And frankly my hybrid car just isn't virtue signalling enough for my middle class liberal sensibilities. So I suppose its time I finally surrender my last remaining red blood cell and buy an electric car. Amiright ladies?

I know a couple of people who have the Hyundai Ionic and quite a few more who have a Tesla. Now I am a tosspot but I am also on Ozbargain so the price point is still important to me. The Ioniq has a range of 200ks and costs $45K. The Tesla has a range of 300ks and is 70K. On paper, I'd favour the Ionic.

The people with Ionics swear up and down its a fantastic car, efficient, apart from change the tyres every couple of years there is basically no maintenance. But the people with Teslas say no way, Tesla is the market leader, there's so much new tech in a Tesla, an Ioniq is just a Korean dogbox with a battery. Have you seen Tesla's share price? Market cap Blah blah.

My impression is that Tesla users have more than a whiff of Apple sheep mentality about them. The iphone of cars. They always seem to follow Elon Musk on twitter for some reason. And lets face it, Hyundai is a major maker and isnt going anywhere.

So Im probably tending towards the Ioniq. But am I missing something?

Automotive Hyundai Tesla Inc

Comments

  • TRANCE on 05/07/2020 - 12:32
    -4

    Personally I wouldn't buy a car powered by 18650 batteries, unless it was a toy car. My vape is powered by the same battery.

    • [Deactivated] on 05/07/2020 - 12:47
      +7

      An 18650 Tesla isn't in his budget. He's looking at 21700 powered Teslas. But from the sound of it the OP was never really considering a Tesla. He said he's now looking at a Leaf, which has only been panned in this thread (and in the real world), so this thread wasn't about getting information that might prove useful, it was about reinforcing the OPs own ideas.

      • cannedhams on 05/07/2020 - 17:56

        Hey toasty,

        I may very well buy a Tesla, you never know, this thread has been food for thought. I'm glad that you're enjoying your Tesla. Good luck with the shares.

  • dealsucker on 05/07/2020 - 14:09
    +2

    I guess its not as simple a comparison as comparing the range and then the price and declaring A or B to be better. Someone before me has already summed up why he went for a Tesla but think about this. If Tesla was not an electric car company and you asked me whether you should buy a Hyundai or a Tesla, I would have said Hyundai. Now reverse the roles, what you want to buy is an electric car and you are asking me to chose between a legacy company also making electric cars and Tesla which is only an electric car company and design its cars from grounds up to be one. They not only have the best battery technology, they have also refined their hardware and software by getting data from its massive fleet of cars to further refine the design and efficiency. Autopilot is another feature that legacy car companies simply cant do given they dont have the software and the hardware (Tesla designed its own autonomy hardware) chops of a silicon valley company. Tesla is as much a tech company as it is a car company and that is their biggest advantage.

    I would look at it from the point of view of cost of ownership throughout the life of the car, the expected longevity and the resale value at the end. Also, the range comparisons are meaningless because Tesla makes more than twice the amount of power of the Hyundai. Tesla also has the best battery efficiency in the industry and not without reason. If I were you I would spend extra and go for the Tesla.

    • cannedhams on 05/07/2020 - 18:07
      -2

      I think everyone expects this to be a replay of the phone industry when Apple came along and cleaned everyone's clocks virtually overnight. Suddenly there was no more Nokia, Sony, Ericsson etc. I can only presume that this is the case when you look at Tesla's share price.

      The problem is that the car companies are not asleep at the wheel the way Nokia and Ericsson were. GM and Waymo are also in the hunt. I know people say that Teslas "have all the hardware", but with the costs of lidar coming down and the advantages a lidar system has, its perfectly possible that governments will simply legislate that any fully autonomous car will have to be lidar equipped.

    • Speckled Jim on 06/07/2020 - 17:35
      +1

      Tesla also has the best battery efficiency in the industry and not without reason.

      Not according to this comparison from 2019
      https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-reviews/tesla-model-3-v-nis…

      Efficiency (kWh/100km)
      Hyundai: 13.04
      Tesla: 18.48

      Real world range vs claimed range
      Hyundai: 80.5 per cent achievable
      Tesla: 64.8 per cent achievable

      • dealsucker on 06/07/2020 - 20:23
        +1

        Ignoring the fact that Tesla makes almost 2.6 times the power, 88kw vs 225 kw and Hyundai is also more than 200 kgs lighter.

        • Speckled Jim on 06/07/2020 - 20:30
          +1

          Read the comparison?
          If you did, you'd know they weren't using its power advantage. They were trying to maximise range at legal speeds, with mid-level regen and even swapping drivers to account for varying weights.
          They were not drag racing.

          • dealsucker on 06/07/2020 - 21:42

            @Speckled Jim: Right. Doesnt matter. Driving an engine, making more than twice the power of another engine, doesnt make it as efficient when driving at the same speed as the less powerful engine.

            • Speckled Jim on 06/07/2020 - 22:16

              @dealsucker: [sigh]

              Engine now?
              I thought they were using electric motors.
              What do I know?

              The topic I addressed was battery efficiency, in response to your comment on same.
              But what's this now?

              88kw vs 225 kw

              Yes?
              The Tesla has a bigger battery and greater total range as compensation. Battery management and cooling might be the answer.

              What else?

              Hyundai is also more than 200 kgs lighter.

              It's a smaller car with a smaller battery. Can't have everything.

              Swings and roundabouts. Just as the Hyundai was since upgraded, I'm sure the others were for 2020 also.

  • Thinkscape on 05/07/2020 - 14:28
    +1

    @cannedhams I forgot to mention, I highly recommend getting both for a bit longer to try them out. With hyundai you can usually get a demo car from dealer for a few hours. With Tesla, I recommend using https://www.evee.com.au/ - grab a Model 3 for a day or two. I recommend doing your usual commute, go shopping, go for a coastal drive, maybe go for a longer one (300km+) and stop by a supercharger to try it out.

    • cannedhams on 05/07/2020 - 18:07
      +2

      Thats a really good idea, I will seriously consider it.

  • ass3ts on 05/07/2020 - 14:45
    +4

    I've owned Tesla Model S Performance, this is the only Tesla model I'd consider. The instant shove is so much fun and it effortlessly blows supercars out of the water, and yes I've owned those too.

    I don't know anything about the Hyundai, but having the factory warranty is imperative with Teslas because soon or later you will need it. I've owned more than one; they have gone back to Tesla at different times for a new main battery pack, a rear motor, a main screen and automatic door handles. I don't really care since I enjoy driving them. Their service has been great so far, Tesla or premium courtesy cars every single time, prompt responses until they say they need to wait for answers from Tesla HQ. The Tesla Autopilot is also a very convenient feature to have on highways, this is something that even the new Porsche Taycan Turbo S does not have.

    Without the Supercharger network, currently in Australia other electric cars are predominantly for city driving only.

    • Orico on 08/07/2020 - 14:50

      Tesla Autopilot is not available in Australia, right? Something about regulations and continental drift screwing the GPS accuracy.

      • ass3ts on 08/07/2020 - 19:15

        er…what?

  • WhoGiveAShxt on 05/07/2020 - 15:49

    Uber

  • PurchaseAnxiety on 05/07/2020 - 16:33
    +2

    I like the tech of a Tesla, but not enough to pay $25K more (probably have to pay more to get all the tech anyway). Plus I'm not a fan of how Tesla is enforcing that you only buy a license to the cars software, which just feels gross to me. You shouldn't need to worry about features of your car being remotely disabled, either as a buyer or seller. Finally, I've always been a function over form guy when it comes to transport. So Hyundai all the way for me.

    • Thinkscape on 05/07/2020 - 20:24

      Where are you getting those theories?

      There's no license purchase with Tesla. You buy the car and get free updates (like a smartphone) which give you more features, not less.
      There is an optional FSD upgrade that costs $10k, which is a software-upgrade but not a license.

      If you're a "function over form guy" then take a look above, at the long list of functional advantages Model 3 has (for that $25k extra of course).

      • PurchaseAnxiety on 06/07/2020 - 00:01
        +1

        Not a theory, it's happened: https://thenextweb.com/cars/2020/02/13/tesla-autopilot-surre…

        Tesla remotely audited and removed the FSD software features because "the customer didn't pay for it" (i.e. they didn't have a license to use it). Granted it looks like Tesla eventually re-enabled the features in this instance, and it seems like this was an exception rather than the rule. So I stand partially corrected: Tesla probably won't do this, but they do have the ability to disable premium features.

        As for function over form: a cars functionality is down to the drivers needs. For me, I just want to get from A to B with relative comfort. If I can do that for $25k less, then I'll probably take that option. Others might be different :)

  • smartazz104 on 05/07/2020 - 16:58

    The people with Ionics swear up and down its a fantastic car, efficient, apart from change the tyres every couple of years there is basically no maintenance. But the people with Teslas say no way, Tesla is the market leader, there's so much new tech in a Tesla, an Ioniq is just a Korean dogbox with a battery. Have you seen Tesla's share price? Market cap Blah blah.

    How many from both sides did you speak with to arrive at this conclusion. Maybe you'd be better off with something sensible, like a Toyota. It doesn't sound like you would see any benefit from an electric car.

    • Euphemistic on 05/07/2020 - 19:15

      An electric car, in its simple form provides the benefits of quiet, efficient motoring and not needing to visit petrol stations or change oil.

      A Tesla is jam packed full of tech to get to the top of the list for people who want the best technology in a vehicle. Someone who wants to drive A-B doesn’t need a lot of tech. The ‘Korean dog box with a battery’ is the equivalent of what thousands of people happily buy for transport when they choose a Corolla or dozens of equivalent models.

  • Neptunesblood on 05/07/2020 - 19:31

    Hyundai Ioniq 0-100 9.9 seconds. No way. Standard Tesla 3 0-100 3.4 seconds.

    • Thinkscape on 05/07/2020 - 20:21

      Nope.

      Acceleration 3.4s (3.2s rolling 1ft) is only on Model 3 Performance, which is $108k drive-away in NSW (without FSD)
      The SR+ for $75k has 5.6s 0-100.

      • ass3ts on 05/07/2020 - 23:59

        0-100 in 2.5s with the current Model S Performance.

      • dealsucker on 06/07/2020 - 08:33
        +1

        The slowest Tesla sold is 4.3 seconds quicker! That is a lifetime. Apart from green motoring, the performance is one of the biggest USP's of an electric car.

        • Pinkyman on 06/07/2020 - 10:40

          That's all academic really as speed is not something we can really use much in Australia compared with Europe's higher limit highways. Speed camera's everywhere, point to point cameras and more. For what is worth I can spin the wheels at the lights with my Ioniq when in sports mode.

          • dealsucker on 08/07/2020 - 10:56

            @Pinkyman: Academic? What is not academic? How much time can a car take before performance is called academic?

    • Euphemistic on 06/07/2020 - 10:26

      For many of us 0-100 times are pretty much irrelevant. 10seconds and you are 40km/h last the speed limit doesn’t mean much except quicker loss of licence.

      I have no idea what the 0-100 time for my old ute is, but suspect it’s around 15. It’s still plenty fast enough in traffic and only extremely rarely needs the go fast pedal pushed to the floor.

    • Roney on 06/07/2020 - 13:54

      High acceleration drains battery faster which leads to shorter range.

    • Orico on 08/07/2020 - 14:52
      -1

      0-100 in 9.9 seconds is fine. Living in a big city means you're probably driving in 60-80 km/h roads. The only people who look at 0-100 are hoons.

  • Pinkyman on 05/07/2020 - 19:53
    +2

    Allow me to set the record straight. I own a 2020 Ioniq and can provide a real updated report on the performance of this car. Normal suburban range is 335 to 345 kms with Eco mode drive setting, regeneration set at level 2 and braking provided mainly by this with one pedal operation..

    Operation of the Air Con or heating reduces the estimated range by approx 30 km's initially but this normalises (range increases) as the selected inside temperature is reached. Highway driving reduces the range as there is less regenerative energy back to the battery. Speeds over about 90 km's per hour due to increased wind resistance also reduce the range. A recent dive of 285 km's with 4 passengers, luggage, air con intermittently, speeds of 95 to 110 I arrived with 15 km reserve.

    Set cruise control and adjust distance between proceeding vehicle and you can let the car drive its self providing the camera can see the white lines.You need to lightly hold the steering wheel to avoid a prompt every 30 seconds to hold the steering wheel.

    Comfort is very good, arriving relaxed, Sound system is great with a large sub woofer located in the boot area. Has full range of latest safety features to achieve a 5 star ANCAP rating. A great car to drive and certainly should not be compared with a Tesla as we are talking established award winning car manufacturer vs the uncertainty of a new manufacturer who does lead the pack in performance and price but whose long term future is uncertain at this point, certainly quality control seems to be a issue currently..

    • [Deactivated] on 05/07/2020 - 20:02
      -5

      You know that Tesla’s market cap is almost 10 times larger than Hyundai right? And their sales only dipped 6% worldwide in the CV19 quarter vs 30-40% for basically every other manufacturer. Tesla’s future is secure.

    • dealsucker on 06/07/2020 - 08:35
      +1

      When did Hyundai win any awards for an EV? Also how many EV's did Hyundai sell last year vs Tesla? How many EV factories does Hyundai have?

      • Pinkyman on 06/07/2020 - 11:21
        +2

        I think we are arguing needlessly here.

        Tesla is certainly a performance vehicle and Hyundai is more a family fun car. Build quality seems to be an issue sometimes with Tesla but that should improve. Hyundai has many more years on Tesla to have committed to 160+ service facilities all over Australia whereas I note Tesla has only one service facility in each state.

        There is an old saying "When you are the leader with a new product and top of your field the only way is down" Like Apple who pretty much invented the modern smart phone and dominated this field their worldwide share is now only about 22%. This will also happen to Tesla as the major car manufacturers switch to electric and all the systems Tesla has invented are copied by them.

        Check out the new Porsche
        https://www.porsche.com/australia/models/taycan/taycan-model…

        • dealsucker on 06/07/2020 - 15:25
          +3

          They need 160+ facilities precisely because they are a legacy car maker and any IC engined car they sell has to come into service atleast once every year if not more. An electric car doesn't need much as far as service is concerned which is why even if you do not adhere to Tesla's servicing schedule, your warranty isnt void.

          I dont want to get into Apple vs others argument because quite frankly it is silly but they earned 66% of the entire smartphone market profits in 2019. You could sell a cheap product and have it hands of all and sundry but that doesnt make the product better, it makes it cheap.

          No one is saying that Tesla will be the only electric vehicle manufacturer in the future but as things stand, there isnt even one right now which is even worth calling a strong competitor even with their vast resources and experience. Also, I wont deny that there are build quality issues but again, people who have moved to Tesla's and have build quality issues still wont go back to a combustion engined car or even another electric car such as a Kona! That should say something and that something is that like everything else Tesla does or doesnt, it is normally blown out of proportion. What did they think? Fighting with fuel lobby and the car lobby at once would be easy?

          As for Porsche Taycan, it starts at more than three times the asking price of Tesla Model 3 Performance in the States and they dont have their own fast charging network either. Its not a mass market car.

          • Pinkyman on 06/07/2020 - 16:33
            +1

            @dealsucker: If your Tesla has a fault anywhere in a state other than downtown in the capitol cities it must be a real concern and a day or so of lost time while it gets towed back downtown to base for repairs.

            Its ignorant to suggest that the major car manufacturers cannot produce a Electric Vehicle with all the bells and whistles of a Tesla and possibly even better. No one manufacturer can have the EV field to their own. I tried to relate this to Apple but you are obviously a fanboy of them as well ?

            I'll drop out now but will welcome discussing this further in another 2 or 3 years time.

            • Boogerman on 07/07/2020 - 13:12

              @Pinkyman: In 2 or 3 years time they may well have a Robotaxi money printing service & a market cap over $1T. Ark Invest hedge fund (one of the most successful funds in the USA) has a base case of $7,000/share in 5 years & a bull case of $14,000/share which equals a market capitalisation of $1.3T or $2.6T, much higher than Apple. That is without issuing any more shares for a capital raise, which they will do to build more terafactories & faster. I wouldn’t be surprised if they even invest in mining companies since they can’t get elements (eg: lithium) fast enough

    • Syd Bargain Girl on 06/07/2020 - 10:29

      Thanks for your detailed reply. Does the 2020 have more range than the 2019 then? Did the price increase much between the two?

      • Pinkyman on 06/07/2020 - 10:58

        Yes bigger battery, Bigger motor, Bigger Price. Longer range also as I reported above.
        The range of any electric vehicle is dependent on how you drive it. High speed highways are a battery killer as air resistance becomes an issue. Also very little if any regenerative breaking when on a highway.

    • Orico on 09/07/2020 - 11:19

      Tesla as we are talking established award winning car manufacturer vs the uncertainty of a new manufacturer who does lead the pack in performance and price but whose long term future is uncertain at this point, certainly quality control seems to be a issue currently..

      Clearly you've never been to America. ON any given street in the east and west coast, you're guaranteed to see a Tesla. All Tesla need is the US Market. They're very popular in China, especially Hong Kong. The defects seen in Teslas are no different to the multitude of defects coming from German manufacturers. Mercedes Benz, more like broken piece of shit.

  • LFO on 05/07/2020 - 20:11
    -4

    Tesla is a car, a sedan like vehicle.

    Ioniq is an SUV, a … an underfed, underdeveloped 4X4.

    So, from what you have written before, will either follow the herd a-la-iPhone or follow the herd a-la-SUV sheep-crowd.

    Alternatively pick the one you really like without rubbishing the one you don't like.
    So it will feel very impartial :-)

  • Pinkyman on 05/07/2020 - 20:20

    What I was try to express was whilst presently Tesla is the leader in performance and features plus price within a short time frame the Electric Vehicle field will be flooded by other existing car manufacturers who will certainly offer all the features currently available with Tesla and have larger, nationwide service facilities plus probably better quality control than Tesla currently has.There will always be a place for Tesla but their competition is closing in fast. The Porsche Taycan EV is an example and there are many other major car manufactures with specked up EV's due out very soon.

    • Thinkscape on 05/07/2020 - 20:30

      This has been true for the last 10 years… and we're still waiting for this flood of other EVs that are cheaper and better.
      I wouldn't mind a well built <$50k EV from Honda, Audi, Toyota or anyone else.
      But they're always "just around the corner" and still not really there (globally, and also Australia always gets new models with 2 year delay).
      I guess the ~20k EVs on Australian roads (Teslas, Hyundais etc.) are just people not holding their breath (and being able to afford the premium now).

    • dealsucker on 06/07/2020 - 08:41

      Your comment would have been true if an electric car was just about putting some batteries and motors together. That is before you can get enough batteries at a price at which you can be competitive. Havent come to the fleet data, efficiency or that the company made its own self driving computer - the chip et all! When was the last time VW/Toyota designed a computer chip?

  • ass3ts on 05/07/2020 - 21:56
    +5

    I've done weekend trips to the Snowy Mountains, Falls Creek, Mt Hotham and Mt Buller with my Teslas and their Supercharger network, try doing that with the Hyundai Ionig and you wouldn't be back to work until Tuesday.

    • [Deactivated] on 05/07/2020 - 22:14
      +1

      You drove from Sydney to Mt. Buller?

      • ass3ts on 05/07/2020 - 23:00

        Why not? :)

        • [Deactivated] on 06/07/2020 - 13:40

          Because the only reason why Melbourne people go to Mt Buller is that it's only 3.5hrs drive away. Otherwise we'd all go to Hotham or Falls.

          • ass3ts on 06/07/2020 - 14:22

            @[Deactivated]: Mt Buller isn't my favourite either, but will have to make do with the lack of variety in the southern hemisphere until the northern hemisphere snow season kicks in again.

          • 4foxache on 06/07/2020 - 14:39
            +1

            @[Deactivated]: This. I only do Buller because its the closest to Melbourne and about the only one you can reasonably day trip. Otherwise 3-4 nighters are Hotham/Falls. I certainly wouldn't be going Buller if Perisher/Thredbo was on my doorstep! That said we are always seeking something different so I get it.

  • GrueHunter on 06/07/2020 - 13:38
    +6

    oh look it's this again

    "Apple users are such sheep. They only use Macs and iPhones."
    "What do you use?"
    "I only use Windows and Android, but that's different."

  • 4foxache on 06/07/2020 - 14:35
    +2

    I own a Hyundai and it's been brilliant thus far only done probably 30,000k's over the last 3 years (bought it 2nd hand at 75,000k's) or so but never had to do anything but the standard maintenance.

    That said its not in the same league as a Tesla, if you're asking the question which one then Telsa probably isn't for you. Styling is fantastic with many untapped features yet to be enabled, you really buy it for what it almost is and probably will be. I see it as an investment into a sustainable future.

    • cannedhams on 06/07/2020 - 19:50

      Im finding it difficult to source a second hand electric Ioniq that isnt a dealer demo.

      Thanks for the info - good to hear that they are still sound at the 100 000k mark. Batteries still going fine?

    • Dogsrule on 07/07/2020 - 13:13
      +1

      '30,000k's over the last 3 years (bought it 2nd hand at 75,000k's)'

      Are you sure you own the Ioniq Electric? I believe it was released in Dec 18, only 19 months ago.

  • zuuutoootuuu on 06/07/2020 - 15:37
    +2

    I bought an imported 30kwh Nissan Leaf 2 years ago, it does 170-200km per charge urban driving for me depending how heavy my foot is, it is quite fun to drive, it is one of the best cars I've ever owned yet one of the cheapest. Currently they can be had for around $26k if the instrument cluster and radio isn't converted to English and a little more if it has.
    Having the ability to charge at home and not worry about touching an infected fuel pump in the current climate is a huge relief for me.

  • SupeNintendoChalmers on 06/07/2020 - 16:18
    +1

    Looking at Telsas` share price,…..it gonna crash harder than Windows Me

    • cannedhams on 06/07/2020 - 19:46
      +4

      the problem is everyone said that about apple, amazon and facebook shares. No one's listening to the detractors any more.

      • SupeNintendoChalmers on 06/07/2020 - 20:53

        Major difference is the first 2 listed have made consistent profits. The last one only now has just started to make one.

        If my memory serves me right, Tesla have never had a year of profit

        • cannedhams on 06/07/2020 - 23:53

          I'm not disagreeing with you; I'm just saying that's how it is. Toyota sells eighty times as many vehicles as Tesla but has a lower market cap. I mean, jesus.

          • Boogerman on 07/07/2020 - 13:16
            +1

            @cannedhams: Because people don’t want to grasp the concept of future/expected value

          • Dogsrule on 07/07/2020 - 13:26

            @cannedhams: Market cap is a consistently useless metric. Here's an explanation why:

            http://livingstingy.blogspot.com/2012/02/myth-of-market-cap.…

            TLDR: Markets are notoriously irrational over the short term, and many companies with huge market cap have essentially vanished overnight. Market cap has become a popular culture term used to hoodwink Mum'n'Dad investors.

            Toyota (for example) will be here next year and the year after. Tesla may not be.

            • payless69 on 08/07/2020 - 13:00

              @Dogsrule: True: Ford is one day bankrupt, the next a real darling. GM is falling perhaps a failing star.

  • sputmayer on 07/07/2020 - 00:00
    +6

    Do test drive the Tesla. I didn't think much of it either but then my friend bought a model 3, I think he paid 110k for it. I made a lot of fun of him and his tesla but then the test drive did blow me away, The pickup, console, the feature set etc. I reckon most of the other car companies are 10 years behind Tesla in innovation.

  • nurbsenvi on 07/07/2020 - 01:58

    Too early to buy EV still

    Limited options and premium pricing

  • bender000 on 07/07/2020 - 09:30
    +1

    Wrong life decision, the correct Ozbargain compliant answer is the 5k beater Corolla that's done 200,000kms.

    • bigbadboogieman on 07/07/2020 - 10:00

      The car equivalent of a burner phone. Use it, lose it, buy a new one.

      • bender000 on 07/07/2020 - 13:07
        +1

        back in the day I had a friend who would buy a 500 dollar beater, run it out of rego, push it a bit more, abandon, repeat. Reckoned it was basically like renting a car for 1k a year.

        • siuol on 07/07/2020 - 16:19
          +2

          And it will be a bonus if someone hit your mate's car from behind… jackpot.

  • bigbadboogieman on 07/07/2020 - 09:58

    TLDR answer your Q in title "No".

    OzB Long form answer is "no reason whatsoever to buy either Hyundai or Tesla if your existing car works fine. Get NRMA mobile service to come to you if you're way too bothered to go get your car serviced. This will still be cheaper than buying a new car which I am sure will have its own requirements. Moving parts = need for maintenance"

  • [Deactivated] on 07/07/2020 - 10:52

    Ones cheaper then the other. The end.

    • Euphemistic on 07/07/2020 - 11:14
      +1

      A bicycle is cheaper than a motor home too.

      Both will get you from A to B.

      • bender000 on 07/07/2020 - 12:42

        Apples and oranges, functionally the Hyundai is similar to the Tesla except without bells and whistles and self driving gizmos etc. Both are 'normal' car sized and capacity and both are driven with steering wheels and accelerator/brake lol. They're the same category of device (car).

        Bike vs motor home are totally different categories of device.

        • Boogerman on 07/07/2020 - 13:17
          +1

          And a car without autonomous features will depreciate faster
          If Tesla manage autonomy, the car will be appreciate in value

          • [Deactivated] on 07/07/2020 - 16:30

            @Boogerman: No it won't. That's just Elon BS. But it will probably depreciate slower. I didn't believe that Tesla would achieve FSD with the current sensors, until the first time I used Smart Summon. Then I realised it was possible. I still think that the current sensors and computers will only be functional 99.9% of the time, which means the robot taxi idea is pie in the sky. There are just still too many mistakes and edge cases for it to be 100% reliable (or approaching 100%). Right now navigate on autopilot will get you 95% of the way there, but it makes some mistakes on lane changes, or doesn't change when it should. The disclaimer being that I've not driven 3.0 hardware, only 2.0, and I've read reports that 3.0 makes better decisions.

      • [Deactivated] on 07/07/2020 - 13:24

        Maybe, but is that what you want the bicycle to do? to go from home and work, then work and home.

        If so buy one, show us what it looks like: how does the family get on it, what's the milage, where do you store it.

        • Euphemistic on 07/07/2020 - 13:58

          So one being cheaper than the other isn’t the end? An extreme example used as an example that it isn’t all about price.

    • leiiv on 08/07/2020 - 00:17

      And how much cheaper is it again?

  • gavincato on 07/07/2020 - 13:06
    +6

    Well, it looks like you already decided Tesla owners are a pack of idiots and it's clear you would hate yourself if you bought one, so why are you even asking?

    • cannedhams on 09/07/2020 - 14:02

      I think we're all big enough here to take a bit of ribbing. Some of my best friends are Tesla drivers.

  • [Deactivated] on 07/07/2020 - 13:30

    https://youtu.be/KzE6SqNqH8w
    Tesla car charges women to face court, Not sure what brain cell she was using.

    Doubt placing chewing gum on the car camera (since the car has criminal detection sonar when parked ahh) would have made much difference, but dam is it scratchy the Tesla, thought it was scratch resistant geez.

    • payless69 on 08/07/2020 - 09:58

      Did they catch her?

      • [Deactivated] on 08/07/2020 - 10:12
        +1

        The car charges anyone. The judge listened to the Tesla and she charged.

  • R4 on 07/07/2020 - 14:34
    +1

    The Kia E-Niro is supposedly coming to Australia next year (pushed back from this year). Reviews I've seen show it to be very good

    • [Deactivated] on 07/07/2020 - 17:03

      But can it charge people.

  • Trioboy on 08/07/2020 - 09:48

    Will Tesla make cars under 50K mark? I think there will be a market for them if they can manage that.

  • payless69 on 08/07/2020 - 09:54

    A Nissan Leaf and a Taxi subscription?

  • cannedhams on 08/07/2020 - 12:22
    +1

    There's this on the insurance costs:-

    https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/are-electric-c…

    Insurance on the Tesla is expensive, because people are unaccustomed to the acceleration and it gets away from them. Also limited supply channels, very few people who can do the repairs and parts have to come from the United States, by ship, because the airlines wont transport batteries. Many of the same concerns would apply to the Hyundai, but at least they have an established network.

  • Salty Pretzel on 08/07/2020 - 12:22
    +2

    Anyone who can afford to buy a tesla and is willing to fork out the money for one wouldn't be choosing an ioniq over it.

  • DBBROS on 08/07/2020 - 12:25

    What about servicing ?

    • El Grande on 08/07/2020 - 15:05

      It still has to be serviced. Inspection is the biggest part of the service in any car. Oil Change is NOT a major cost. Brakes, rotors and tyres still need to be replaced.

      The big issue is the parts availability with tesla. Watch the owners reviews on youtube. Super hard to get parts as they barely meet the demand for their own production.

  • El Grande on 08/07/2020 - 14:57
    +1

    Eventually, Tesla will compete with Toyota in all segments. I don't want to pay 80k for a car that will cost 25k in the future. Buy your last ICE car and wait for prices to fall. I remember I paid $8,000 for a SD plasma TV back in the day, then 6k for HD LCD followed by 4k for FHD LCD which was replaced by $700 3D FHD LED. Tesla will go the same way. I would not want to pay the early adopter tax.

    • Orico on 09/07/2020 - 11:24

      Tesla will go the same way. I would not want to pay the early adopter tax.

      You're like one of those people who can't stand people who can afford expensive things. Believe it or not, Sydney has some fat cats with lots of cash, especially in business. A Tesla is not going to dent a large company's balance sheet.

  • Adp on 08/07/2020 - 15:45

    I like the model 3 but the uplift in price on the Australian model is too much for me so I went for the ioniq. Melbourne Sydney road trip was fine, the ioniq is a car the other is an iPad on wheels.

  • herrod on 09/07/2020 - 22:20
    +1

    Ever Ozbargainer goes through this thought process in one way or another. Whichever way you choose, this should be forever be named the 'cannedham protocol'.

    From the cut of your jib, and the fact the extra doubloons for the tesla doesn't faze you, I figure you're some silverfox, most interesting man in the world type memelord. So you dont need the tesla . The tesla needs you! And it's quite possible your powers combined would suck all women into some irresistible black hole vortex of attraction. So for the sake of the rest of us battlers, go the ioniq. Which I can only guess will go the way of bog paper in the first week of covid when the general public see you in it. You may single handedly have ended global warming and our addiction to oil. Thank you sir.

  • jpee on 09/07/2020 - 22:37

    I drink the Tesla kool-aid. I would recommend.
    If you’re in Sydney I could show you.

    But based on your preferences of range, features etc Hyundai sounds like the choice. Enjoy either way!

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