COVID19 - Melbourne Protest Should've Been Cancelled Until a Safer Time [Poll]

[Deactivated] on 11/06/2020 - 12:16
Last edited 12/06/2020 - 10:13 by 3 other users

I don't have anything against peoples right to protest. but there is a level of stupidity about protesting in the middle of a pandemic. Considering the whole country has been in a level of lockdown for months and the protesters where urged 'not to protest' if they could keep social distancing, until things got 100% clear the state government needs to be held accountable and the organizers of this protest need to at least given heavy fines.

Coronavirus live updates: Black Lives Matter protester in Victoria tests positive for coronavirus

What are peoples thoughts?

Poll Options

  • 1415
    I agree the protest should have been cancelled till a safer time
  • 199
    I disagree i think the protests timing was no issue
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Comments

    • Bargain80 on 11/06/2020 - 13:50
      +17

      It's weird. First we have right wingers who think covid-19 is a conspiracy.
      And now we have left wingers who don't care about covid-19.

      • Tech5 on 11/06/2020 - 14:25
        +17

        Almost as if people who base a large component of their own identity on where they sit on the political spectrum is unhealthy for society…

      • MementoMori on 11/06/2020 - 18:09
        +4

        Yes, and 2 weeks ago they were ordering us to #StayTheF**kAtHome

      • abb on 11/06/2020 - 20:17
        +1

        There is also another option: "left wingers who do care about covid 19 but think the case count is low enough that the importance of the cause justifies the protest".

        Most things in life are not a pure binary choice.

        • knk on 12/06/2020 - 11:37
          +2

          I really fail to see how a protest is more important than a pandemic.

          You can argue all you like that the cause is just (not disputing that) but unless you can say that with absolute certainty that this particular protest is going to lead directly to live's being saved they're doing the wrong thing.

          There is a very real possibility this causes an exponential outbreak and causes irreparable damage to people's lives, businesses and the economy. It could very well kill someone you care about.

          • GG57 on 12/06/2020 - 11:51
            +5

            @knk: To be fair, all of those people that were at Chadstone Shopping Centre at the weekend also put people (themselves and others) at risk of an exponential outbreak.
            There are some pretty reckless actions by the public; at least the protest was outside.

            • knk on 12/06/2020 - 12:19

              @GG57: Totally agree, not attending / getting out of crowded areas is necessary.

              My main concern is so many people travelling to one area and then spreading it to other pockets. Where ideally unless people are driving / commuting very far for shopping this shouldn't happen. Some people probably are though I guess.

              This is all just my opinion, I'm far from an expert on the subject obviously.

          • Speckled Jim on 12/06/2020 - 13:46
            -5

            @knk: You can argue all you like that the pandemic is potentially dangerous (not disputing that) but unless you can say that with absolute certainty that this particular protest is going to lead directly to a spike in infections they're within their rights.

            Be even-handed or STFU.

    • Ghost47 on 11/06/2020 - 17:41
      -8

      The problem with right wingers is that they can't get a point across without attacking people on the other side.

      • brendanm on 11/06/2020 - 17:45
        +12

        Isn't it ironic, don't you think.

        • Ghost47 on 11/06/2020 - 17:50

          It's extremely ironic.

        • MementoMori on 11/06/2020 - 18:09
          +7

          A little tooooo ironic

        • 2ndeffort on 13/06/2020 - 14:38

          It's like raiiiiiin on your wedding day!!!

      • Ahbal on 11/06/2020 - 18:35

        sounds very familiar.

    • AlanHB on 12/06/2020 - 10:35
      +2

      Hey while we're making generalisations, it's great to see the right wingers believe Covid19 is real and worse than the common flu.

    • ozhunter on 13/06/2020 - 12:30
      +1

      is you simply can reason with them…

      *can't

      but we all knew what you meant :D

      • Trying2SaveABuck on 13/06/2020 - 12:53
        -1

        Yea i went to edit it but someone had already 'liked' it they wouldnt let me edit it after that

    • arcticmonkey on 13/06/2020 - 16:03
      +1

      Hopefully the left wingers can spell better than you though.

    • SnakeCasablanca on 11/06/2020 - 15:59
      -2

      Don't understand all your neg votes.

      I will probably receive more…

      I think the government should have eased restrictions already AND the protests are stupid.

      Neg away.

      • inherentchoice on 11/06/2020 - 19:16
        -1

        Sadly people are living in fear, often irrational fear. And many are deceived.

        I feel sorry for them.

  • ThithLord on 11/06/2020 - 12:34
    +15

    Protest is only going to work with momentum - I don't know how you think it would gain momentum if they held off for a few months. That's counter-intuitive.

    Let's not pretend you actually care about what they're saying, nor that the government is concerned for the protesters safety. The cops that all showed up did not have any protections to ward off Covid, so they definitely were not concerned.

    I agree the protest should of been cancelled till a safer time

    By the way, it's should have. Should have been cancelled.

    • Banana on 11/06/2020 - 12:36
      +5

      What about instead of protesting in mass gathering, write to your local representative and voice your concern?

      • ThithLord on 11/06/2020 - 12:42
        +5

        Absolutely - but the point of the protest is to disrupt. It is to get in your face. It is to force the conversation. Basically all the turning points in recent humanity were born of protest.

        • kipps on 11/06/2020 - 13:25
          +17

          If you are incapable of advocating a position peacefully without being aggressive and disrupting others then you are the problem.

          • ThithLord on 11/06/2020 - 13:42
            +13

            @kipps: What an absolute bunch of crock. When has peaceful protesting of Aboriginal matters ever been the topic of discussion on mainstream media, in Australia? The only reason we're talking about it is because they're protesting, bruv

          • Drakesy on 11/06/2020 - 13:48
            +3

            @kipps: nothing was said about being aggressive, you can disrupt peacefully and not be the problem.

          • unknown91 on 11/06/2020 - 20:47
            +4

            @kipps: I don't think you understand how much of what you probably take for granted today was a result of past protests.

        • Nugs on 11/06/2020 - 13:50
          +2

          I wasn't disrupted
          .

        • sakurashu on 11/06/2020 - 17:10
          +14

          Hilariously - plenty of turning points in history were born of protest but also swung the other way - I'd be surprised if we didn't see a resulting shift towards right-wing votes as a result of this movement

          • brendanm on 11/06/2020 - 17:30
            +1

            @sakurashu: All this rubbish constantly is why trump got in to start with, and why he will get in again next term. Trying to divide people doesn't work out.

      • Caped Baldy on 11/06/2020 - 14:44
        +13

        I think the problem is that the representatives and political parties don't care.

        For example, the majority of Australians believe climate change is real and want the government to take action. Meanwhile the government keeps approving coal mines and keeping coal power plants active. This is partly to do with kickbacks though.

        • Banana on 11/06/2020 - 14:53
          +5

          If most Aussies believe in climate change and our representatives don't care, then why do we keep voting these parties in?

          • Caped Baldy on 11/06/2020 - 15:30
            +5

            @Banana: Lobbyists have hedged their bets(bribes) with both major parties and we get manipulated by Newscorp

          • iDroid on 11/06/2020 - 18:50
            +5

            @Banana: Because people believe in handouts more than they care about climate change.

        • whooah1979 on 11/06/2020 - 15:29
          +14

          Voters only care about climate change as long as it doesn't directly affect their pockets. They will always vote for the party that looks after jobs and growth first.

          • GG57 on 11/06/2020 - 15:33
            +6

            @whooah1979: Jobs and growth…how is that going?

            • whooah1979 on 11/06/2020 - 15:41
              +2

              @GG57: Things are looking better now that more and more businesses are allowed to reopen.

          • Banana on 11/06/2020 - 15:38
            +3

            @whooah1979: Doesn't this show that although most Aussies care about climate change, we don't care about it enough to hurt our pockets? This applies to a lot of things (support local business, recycling etc).

            Unless we start a change at the grass root level, we would not see changes in policy. What I mean by this is that this change should come from families, parents, schools, educations etc. Unless we raise a generation of people who care about these issues, who will one day become politicians and people with power, we wouldn't be able to solve any problems by implementing polices that people are "forced" into coercing. These problems cannot be solved overnight and it really needs to start from educating our own families.

            • 2ndeffort on 13/06/2020 - 14:44
              +1

              @Banana: As with all these things your agenda hinges upon raising a generation of people who agree with your values and hopes for the future. We dont all agree on these things and the thought that someone, potentially a political think-tank or an organisation of activists would decide what our children should think and then set in play a program to influence their education and future agenda is eerily reminiscent of any number of totalitarian regimes. How about we stop trying to influence future generations, instead teach kids the tools to use in making their own clear and unbiased decisions and we let future mature rational clear thinking people make their own minds up not just echo whatever they were programmed to believe as a kid.

        • brendanm on 11/06/2020 - 17:32
          +7

          Yes, our 0.004% contribution to global CO2 will completely then everything around. Please note that I do not support coal mining or coal fired power, simply that the notion that Australia would make any difference is absurd.

          • Caped Baldy on 11/06/2020 - 19:45

            @brendanm: Where did you get that 0.004% figure from?

            From wikipedia "the World Resources Institute estimates that Australia was responsible for 1.1% of all CO2 emissions between 1850 and 2002.[6] This is about 3 times larger than Australia's share of global population, roughly a third of a percent as of 2013"

            • brendanm on 11/06/2020 - 20:34

              @Caped Baldy: You know that there are natural contributors of CO2?

              • Wuffybrother on 12/06/2020 - 10:43
                +6

                @brendanm: I can see what you’re trying to say but think you may be misunderstanding a few things. Bear with me on this. Hopefully this might clear things up otherwise happy to discuss further.

                Natural CO2 emissions are huge, but are balanced by similarly huge natural ‘sinks’ like oceans and vegetation. Natural sources of CO2 have been more or less in balance for hundreds of thousands of years. As a result atmospheric concentrations have never gone above 300ppm in at least the past million years.

                Despite our relatively small contribution, human CO2 emissions are large enough to completely throw off this natural balance. Concentrations have skyrocketed since 1950 and we’re now over 400ppm over a historically minuscule time span. It’s worth noting natural sources haven’t varied anywhere near as much over this same period. Climate change (as we are experiencing it) is nearly entirely man made.

                As far as Australia’s difference to global emissions go, I hope this rebuttal will help clear up a few points as well. Basically when it comes to climate change Australia should really be leading the way.

                TLDR: Humans are by and large the cause of climate change and Australia has no reason to be dragging its feet on climate change.

                • brendanm on 12/06/2020 - 11:10

                  @Wuffybrother: How do you explain the massive fluctuations in climate over the earth's history? It has been a lot hotter in the past than it is now. It's also been much colder.

                  Regardless, even if we completely stopped any sort of emissions from the entire country, the difference would be a tiny blip.

                  • Wuffybrother on 12/06/2020 - 12:16
                    +2

                    @brendanm: It has been a lot warmer and cooler in the past, you’re right.

                    Generally the fluctuations have been due to things like increased volcanic eruptions, solar activity, variations in earth’s orbit and so on. Greenhouse gas emissions are pretty closely tied up in these events too (e.g asteroid strike > wildfires > huge CO2 release, or more solar activity > ice sheets melting > cooler oceans > oceans dissolve less CO2). It depends on the specific event, you can do some research if you’re thinking of a certain time period in particular.

                    In any case none of the factors that caused previous climate change can explain the change occurring now, except the spike in greenhouse gases. But this time it’s humans causing the extra emissions and resulting climate change.

                    On your second point, not sure if you saw the article but Australia taking decisive steps to reduce emissions is more than just about our 1.3% of human emissions (or 4% with coal). This is largely a political issue and needs a political response. If a country as wealthy as us, with our extremely high per capita emissions and minimal action to date, will barely lift a finger, what sort of message does that send to India, China, Brazil etc. as we sit on our bum and point the finger? The issue’s obviously hugely nuanced but we’re ranked 56th out of 61 countries for current performance…

                    • brendanm on 12/06/2020 - 12:18
                      +1

                      @Wuffybrother: Per capita emissions means diddly squat. We have a small population. As I said, I don't like coal fired anything. No reason Australia can't use renewables and nuclear. I'm also not saying that out actions can't alter the climate, I just think that, like the vast majority of things, it's massively overblown. All the predictions from the climate doomsdayers have yet to happen.

                      • Wuffybrother on 12/06/2020 - 12:47
                        +4

                        @brendanm: I‘m agreeing with you, I’m saying it’s not just about the emissions themselves (per capita or otherwise) but the message our actions send. I think we would both agree Australia needs to do more, energy is certainly one as you’ve mentioned. As it currently stands we’re an international climate laughing stock.

                        Not sure about that last comment, that’s fairly baseless. Like anything else there are plenty of wrong predictions and plenty of right predictions out there, with extremists on both the alarmist and denialist sides. We could exchange examples all day but I’m not sure how that would get us anywhere. Climate science is well established but of course it’s not 100% predictable.

      • [Deactivated] on 11/06/2020 - 15:53
        +1

        You're a funny one. 1,000s have protested during a pandemic and nothing has changed. Do you really think writing to their local rep and voicing the concern would have?

        • Banana on 11/06/2020 - 15:56
          +4

          I don't know. Have the 1000 tried writing to their local reps?

          • [Deactivated] on 11/06/2020 - 15:59
            +5

            @Banana: I'm sure they did. We even had our Floyd moment in Australia:

            David Dungay Jr was killed when prison officers restrained him, including with handcuffs, and pushed him face down on his bed and on the floor. One officer pushed a knee into his back. All along, Dungay was screaming that he could not breathe and could be heard gasping for air.

            Dungay’s death in custody occurred in Long Bay prison during the 2015 Christmas season. It happened a short drive from an elite university, next to affluent, waterside suburbs.

            But his horrific death did little to pierce this white bubble of privilege. The media barely blinked. The politicians did not emerge from their holiday retreats. None of the officers involved were disciplined or called to account.

            Article

        • wendellX on 11/06/2020 - 16:13

          Seems like the protest did nothing other than increase the risk of a coronavirus outbreak then. Glad you understand the stupidity of these protesters.

          • [Deactivated] on 11/06/2020 - 16:19
            +11

            @wendellX: You don't understand. The grievances of the protesters are real. They won't just go away - their frustrations will fester and fester until they explode. Look at what is happening in the US.

            • wendellX on 11/06/2020 - 17:00
              +6

              @[Deactivated]: You haven't got a clue what I don't understand. The grievances of the protesters are contrived and just trying to piggyback off American politics that don't have the same relevance in Australia. At least they haven't managed to import their criminal rioting too.

              In prisons, from 1991 to 2016, 7 aboriginal deaths were considered homicide (6 unlawful). In police custody from 1991 to 2016, 18 aboriginal deaths were considered homicide (8 unlawful). Those are surely sad to hear about but it doesn't really speak to a pattern of police abuse that American protesters (and Australian copycats) seem so outraged about. Aboriginal criminals have been mostly dying from natural causes or killing themselves in custody, so no I don't think the protest was as worthwhile as you seem to.

              How about some evidence?

              But back on topic:

              • it appears that protesting has not created the outcome you would like
              • you don't think 1000s of people writing to their local representatives would create an outcome you would like
              • maybe this tantrum wasn't worth putting the country at risk?
              • [Deactivated] on 11/06/2020 - 17:02
                +6

                @wendellX: Listen to the anger and frustration in this man's voice and tell me it is just a tantrum that will go away if we ignore it?

                maybe this tantrum wasn't worth putting the country at risk?

                or maybe protesters may start thinking that it is time to go out for broke like they did in the US. That's also an option, one which everyone would prefer to avoid.

                • wendellX on 11/06/2020 - 17:12
                  +6

                  @[Deactivated]: It's one man doing a performance for television. He doesn't speak for everyone. My point still stands that this protest was for a contrived cause and puts Australia - our lives and inevitably our economy - at risk.

                • wendellX on 11/06/2020 - 17:15
                  +4

                  @[Deactivated]: Ah missed the edit

                  or maybe protesters may start thinking that it is time to go out for broke like they did in the US. That's also an option, one which everyone would prefer to avoid.

                  in which case I would hope each and every one of them ends up in prison. No one has the right to riot and destroy the property of others for any reason. That's unequivocally un-Australian.

                  • [Deactivated] on 11/06/2020 - 17:29
                    +2

                    @wendellX: or the government could actually listen their grievances before it reaches that point.

                    • brendanm on 11/06/2020 - 17:36
                      +5

                      @[Deactivated]: The grievances are simply emotional. There is nothing to address. There will always people who feel they are "hard done by", when the fact is they have just as much (or more) opportunity as everyone else, they just didn't want to take it.

                    • wendellX on 11/06/2020 - 20:48
                      +3

                      @[Deactivated]: Having a grievance doesn't mean that they must get their way. Responding to a threat that they may escalate into riots sounds like a horrible way to govern.

                      • [Deactivated] on 11/06/2020 - 20:54
                        +6

                        @wendellX: They've had those grievances for decades and nothing has been done about them.
                        I don't believe it's too much to ask that the government implements the Royal Commission's recommendations made almost 30 years ago and the numerous expert report recommendations that have been made since. All those reports were commissioned by the government. What was the point of them if the govt is just going to ignore their recommendations?

                • brendanm on 11/06/2020 - 17:37
                  +5

                  @[Deactivated]: Lol, he is a literal actor.

              • Tech5 on 11/06/2020 - 18:09
                +4

                @wendellX: Not a supporter of the protests but wanted to mention something. Isnt one of the very points of the protests the fact that unlawful deaths are not counted or treated as such? Like floyds death was initially put down due to numerous health conditions, rather than the knee on his neck.
                If this is the case, how can you rely on those stats? If the video was not there, dont you think the chance of it being covered up extremely high?

                • brendanm on 13/06/2020 - 12:50
                  +1

                  @Tech5: Have a look at the video of him actually resisting arrest. He not only had numerous health conditions, but also was high on meth, and had a potentially lethal dose of fentanyl in his system. The coroner also found no bruising on the neck.

            • [Deactivated] on 11/06/2020 - 18:10
              +9

              @[Deactivated]:

              their frustrations will fester and fester until they explode. Look at what is happening in the US.

              Yep, thanks to the brainwashing of our kids at Western institutions into identity politics dogma. This clip is from Jonathan Haidt, a NYU professor.

              The form that Martin Luther King adopted is not what institutions are instilling in our students today. They are teaching the dogmatic, Marxist kind of thinking that entraps them into a lifetime echo chamber. Block your eyes and block your ears when you hear something that contradicts your view. I'm oppressed. You're oppressed. Wah wah! Blame everyone else, it's not my responsibility to control my emotions. It's always someone else's fault!

              grievances of the protesters are real

              Are strangers responsible for someone else's emotions and hysterics.

              • [Deactivated] on 11/06/2020 - 18:15
                +3

                @[Deactivated]: They are not just strangers. They've lived here for over 65,000 years. If anything, you are more a stranger to this land than them. Sitting down and listening to their grievances is the very least we can do.

                • [Deactivated] on 11/06/2020 - 18:41
                  +8

                  @[Deactivated]: So Indigenous Australians are responsible for the hysterics of professional protesters?

                  That's confusing.

                  See how this non-Indigenous professional protester took her mask off when she realised she's on tv?

                  Seems like a vanity project to me. This is probably an exciting thing for her. Something she can post to her facebook or instagram to brag about and then shame the "others" for not being as morally superior or as caring and virtuous as she is.

                  Funniest thing is that it's usually the "white" people (whether in appearances and thus by extension the privileges) who drum up the hysteria and try to create race issues. Yes, there may be racial tensions. But we don't solve it by instigating racial division and identity politics. Minorities are just trying to work super super hard to get ahead in life so that we can provide for our families and our community (Australia). We don't want the drama.

                  Did you see the contrast between George Floyd's family vs. the professional protesters? The Floyd family, the people who are genuinely affected by the incident and from racism, don't want the drama. They just want things to be better for them and their community. That's the Martin Luther King stance. They would seek and create solutions that can solve the problems and issues affecting them and their community.

                  The professional protesters, what do they seek? "Problems" that they can exploit for some emotional or other gain.

                  • [Deactivated] on 11/06/2020 - 18:45
                    +1

                    @[Deactivated]: I don't we are talking about the same thing.

                    • [Deactivated] on 11/06/2020 - 18:52
                      +4

                      @[Deactivated]: I think we are but you're choosing not to register another view.

                      I'm not opposed to protests. I'm all for people expressing their views. And it does help to raise awareness of issues that perhaps we didn't really take much notice of. But there's a limit as to how much a protest can achieve for an affected community.

                      The "professional protesters", in my view, are not helpful. They need to tone down the hysteria and other-victimising of communities that they don't really understand.

        • [Deactivated] on 11/06/2020 - 16:39
          +2

          Edited typos

          You're a funny one. 1,000s have protested during a pandemic and nothing has changed. Do you really think that writing to their local reps and voicing their concerns would have made any difference?

      • abb on 11/06/2020 - 20:19
        +3

        write to your local representative and voice your concern?

        What makes you think that hasn't been happening?

      • bluesky on 11/06/2020 - 21:28
        +2

        What about instead of protesting in mass gathering, write to your local representative and voice your concern?

        If you have been following the issue, Aboriginal leaders and others have been voicing their concerns about this for a long long time. It is a misnomer to think they have not tried every avenue possible to be heard. Like many social issues, due to entrenched attitudes, indifference from those who are not affected, and more insidiously – those who prefer the status quo, real change is very slow in coming, or not at all.

        If injustice and racism against a disadvantaged group or minority go on for too long, and the opportunity for change looks promising, those who see the injustice for what it is will seize the momentum, if they believe for once, it will lead to real change. This overrides any health concerns they may have. It speaks to their desperation to see some real change after decades of inaction. I can understand their position.

    • tsunamisurfer on 11/06/2020 - 12:45
      +11

      Protest is only going to work with momentum - I don't know how you think it would gain momentum if they held off for a few months. That's counter-intuitive.

      We are in the middle of a Pandemic, there are still cases of the virus in the community. What is more important? The safety of the public or protesting?

      • ThithLord on 11/06/2020 - 12:51
        +10

        The safety of the public or protesting?

        Well, that's a loaded question - you completely omitted the reason why they're protesting.

        The police brutality in the USA has brought about an almost global event amongst Westernised nations - you gotta strike while the irons hot, wouldn't you agree?

        Also, let's not forget, ScoMo had zero issue with the protesters lamenting about 5G (It's a free country!), but came out swinging for the people protesting discrimination against Aboriginals in Australia.

        • tsunamisurfer on 11/06/2020 - 13:09
          +8

          Well, that's a loaded question - you completely omitted the reason why they're protesting.

          I omitted the reason because it doesn't matter what you are protesting about, personal safety comes first.

          The police brutality in the USA has brought about an almost global event amongst Westernised nations - you gotta strike while the irons hot, wouldn't you agree?

          Not when there is an infectious pandemic around, that is lunacy.

          • ThithLord on 11/06/2020 - 13:16

            @tsunamisurfer:

            I omitted the reason because it doesn't matter what you are protesting about, personal safety comes firs

            That's convenient.

            • tsunamisurfer on 11/06/2020 - 13:27
              +4

              @ThithLord: Yes….a Pandemic thats killed hundreds of thousands of people, infected millions more is a convenient 'excuse' not to march.

              You act like someone's invented it just to curtail the outrage.

              • ThithLord on 11/06/2020 - 13:30

                @tsunamisurfer:

                You act like someone's invented it just to curtail the outrage.

                Please, please outline how I've acted that way?

          • unknown91 on 11/06/2020 - 20:49
            +4

            @tsunamisurfer: YOUR personal safety, that is?

            Personal safety of aboriginal people dont matter then?

    • Ahbal on 11/06/2020 - 18:17
      +11

      You know what else likes momentum?

      Covid-19.

      • Twodogs on 13/06/2020 - 15:36

        Love it :-)

  • ssquid on 11/06/2020 - 12:39
    +9

    What are peoples thoughts?

    I think reading this post was a challenge and you should've spent more time proofreading.

  • knobbs on 11/06/2020 - 12:42
    +6

    I think even if it was banned most would still turn out.

  • sw00p on 11/06/2020 - 12:47
    +13

    I would have liked to have attended the protest in Sydney at the weekend, but elected not for fear of contracting and/or spreading COVID 19.

    At the same time, I can understand how my fellow Australians who identify as Aboriginal may feel that the impacts of institutionalised racism pose a more immanent threat to their lives than the current pandemic.

    • abb on 11/06/2020 - 20:20
      +7

      Nuance and empathy? in an ozbargain thread?

  • mooney on 11/06/2020 - 12:57
    +47

    Funny- I missed your poll on the Hillsong conference, or the one about the footy still being on when we had over 1500 active cases?

    Or could there be more to your post than just fake outrage about Coronavirus risk?

    It is a shame that people protested during a pandemic, but its also a shame that people need to protest against racism in 2020. Next time lets align with racist police globally and ask them to try really hard to not murder black people during a pandemic.

    • ThithLord on 11/06/2020 - 13:07
      +7

      You're on the money, Mooney

    • [Deactivated] on 11/06/2020 - 13:13
      +2

      Difference is we have no data to say someone had COVID19 at those events, we also were not in lockdown

      The deflection tactics are the exact reason racism exists in 2020

      No one left or right takes responsibility when they do something stupid - a prime example is the rebo-debt the government did something stupid and illegal and wont own up to it.

      These protest were stupid and reckless and even if there was a 1% chance it could cause a 2nd wave of COVID19 the organizers should of used common sense

      We are acting more like children instead of adults

      • mooney on 11/06/2020 - 13:29
        +21

        What rubbish- Coronavirus was growing exponentially at that stage, just because you didn't notice, doesn't mean it wasn't.

        I am going to assume you are not an indigenous or black person, if I am right its trivial for you to dismiss the urgency that many people feel towards this topic. I was outraged by the happenings in USA with George Floyd and with the subsequent police behaviour and I am a white male with no personal experience of these things.

        To you its people acting like children, for others, especially those with personal experience, it is a significantly bigger issue.

        • Trying2SaveABuck on 11/06/2020 - 13:55
          +14

          In all honesty what does the death of George Floyd have to do with aboriginals?

          Aboriginals get interest free loans, priority into social services ie housing, free health care including dental and free education ie no uni fees

          Afro Americans are given non of these privileges…. as for Aboriginals dying in custody you over looked the fact the majority of the deaths were from non police reasons ie drug over dose, medical reasons etc and Aboriginal deaths caused by Aboriginal people are out weighed Aboriginal deaths by non-Aboriginal people 3 (700+) to 1 (~250)

          Im not indigenous and im not white i've never really been given anything from the government but if you ask it is Aboriginals that have the privileges in Australia not non indigenous Australians.

          • mooney on 11/06/2020 - 14:09
            +5

            @Trying2SaveABuck: "Aboriginals get interest free loans, priority into social services ie housing, free health care including dental and free education ie no uni fees"

            I know, they are so spoiled and all they had to do to get it is endure a little bit of genocide!?! Where do I sign up? I hope someone kills off 84% of the white population so I can score me some free dental.

            Dude, sit down, I know this is going to be a bit of a shock, but you are either racist or uneducated, up to you which badge sits best.

            • ThithLord on 11/06/2020 - 14:12
              +10

              @mooney:

              "Aboriginals get interest free loans, priority into social services ie housing, free health care including dental and free education ie no uni fees"

              Surprised you didn't askl for a source, Mooney - cos that was a ridic statement from OntheShred.

          • tsunamisurfer on 11/06/2020 - 14:30
            +7

            @Trying2SaveABuck: OntheShred stated…

            In all honesty what does the death of George Floyd have to do with aboriginals?

            Aboriginals get interest free loans, priority into social services ie housing, free health care including dental and free education ie no uni fees

            From that you surmised he is racist?

            • mooney on 11/06/2020 - 14:50
              +14

              @tsunamisurfer: No more from the completely one sided, blinkered view of aboriginal life…

              He conveniently ignores genocide, ignores the racism they experience, ignores stolen generation… he looks at free uni courses and dental as proof that "if you ask it is Aboriginals that have the privileges in Australia"

              Every racist against aboriginals quotes this type of shit

              • [Deactivated] on 11/06/2020 - 15:15
                +9

                @mooney: PSA - to avoid being labelled a racist, every conversation involving Aboriginals should be prefaced with the acknowledgement of genocide and the stolen generation.

                Omission of the above statement and the resulting lack of evidence of bygone events is evidence of racism.

                PSA 2 - never quote affirmative action as "every racist" quotes this. If you never quote the aforementioned, you can not be racist.

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