Had a drive fail in my server and needed a replacement.
Found Shopping Express was much cheaper than anywhere else (Centrecom is $185 including shipping, Umart is $179 + shipping).
Shouldn't be shingled, unlike the WD Red drives.
Shipping shows as being covered by an automatically applied discount code.
EDIT: As Gundala pointed out in the comments, if you're a Prime member, Amazon is $167.09 (If you're not, shipping is $14.95)
It shows as 167 + 15 for shipping on Amazon for me.
Free delivery for me. $167.09, may be because I am a Prime member?
Free delivery with Prime as it's an international order.
I'd happily pay $1.91 for faster shipping and Australian stock…
Yes, I agree with you. The one from Amazon will be delivered by end of June. Better to buy a local stock.
Is it the same drive though or not?
@Gundala: they said that but last time i ordered a monitor arms from amazon US, it came in 3 days FedEx… Auspost won't even do same metro delivery in 3 days now.
My estimated delivery was weeks away. Unless you click and collect, I'd put good odds in the one from Amazon US coming first.
Assuming you're a prime member.
@Gundala: Amazon does usually overestimate their international shipping by a lot, but imo it still isn't worth ordering from overseas to save <$2.
Try to remove the referral part of the link
i have a 4 bay and 1 drive seems to fail each year. Is this normal?
Are you buying Seagate drives? Statistically they fail more often than any other brand.
What a silly comment.
All brands have an average % failure rate and it varies drive to drive. Seagate is no better or worse than WD/Toshiba etc. It just depends on the year and the drives sold in that year.
BackBlaze almost always has Seagate on top in failure rates. Sometimes WD steals the crown.
Toshiba is a step above both WD and Seagate
Yes batches play a role, but statistically if you look at backblaze's reviews, Seagate earns the wooden spoon most often. They deal with 1000s of drives so I find it relevant
HGST was always my favourite but now they've been taken over by WD. It seems they were so good they've been designed data centre drives in WD's line up.
The only Seagate I'd personally buy is their enterprise Exos line.
@Click_It: Backblaze use desktop drives, not server or NAS ones. They're different models designed for different purposes.
From a quick look at their 2019 results, the HGST are enterprise grade drives, while the Seagate ones are desktop grade. That would be why the failure rates are higher.
@Zephyrus: I believe BackBlaze actually uses enterprise grade drives for both Seagate and HGST because Seagate HDD ST10000NM0086 is for an Exos HDD. The reason I think they now use enterprise drives is because they can get them for cheaper than consumer grade HDD which in Australia we cannot get enterprise HDD cheaper unless we negotiate with a seller or have some form of enterprise prices due to bulk buying purchases because most of the enterprise HDD in Australia are way more expensive than in USA.
So because of the fact that BackBlaze mostly uses enterprise grade drives it makes it slightly more harder to tell which manufacturer is more reliable for consumer HDD and that you should follow what BackBlaze does and choose the cheapest HDD that has features you need and not worry about reliability. The reason for this is using my simplified math explanation is that paying 10% more for a HDD that has failure rate of 1% is not going to make up cost vs the cheaper HDD with double the failure rate of 2% because it means if you buy 100 HDDs and assuming you get 1 less failure this is negated by paying 10% more which you could have used to possibly purchase 10 more HDD of the cheaper slightly higher failure rate HDD.
@AgentXKnight: Fair enough guys, it's obviously getting a lot murkier to navigate than in past years.
I personally am not a fan of either Seagate or WD but with my fave HGST gone and designated to a premium segment within the WD line up I don't have many options. Toshiba do seem to make great drives but they come at a high premium too so I'm going to bite the bullet and get different batch WD 12TB drives. At the end of the day the modern WD/Seagate are most likely much of a muchness in terms of reliability. I just have slightly more faith in the WD brand over Seagate.
@Click_It: I think nowadays with HDD not really have much advancement and most manufacturers are similar to each other with making their HDD the best way to buy HDD I believe now is to try and find the best one suitable to your needs. As well as hopefully not get tricked by manufacturers being doggy ie WD for the WD Reds 1-6TB being DM-SMR which is bad for RAID but other than that can be useful for normal PC HDD or in JBOD and Seagate had some bad firmware for their cache for Ironwolf HDD which I believe only impacted older model of their 10TB HDD but eventually released a firmware update that fixed their performance issues.
The only thing that might change with WD and Seagate is with their possible two new technology for HDD they are created and which one of them turns out better for their newer and bigger HDD and whether 20TB+ are going to be improvement over current HDD.
@AgentXKnight: I'm actually changing strategy and going to buy shuckable externals when I upgrade my NAS. If I have a fail or 2 I'm still ahead compared to shelling out for high end drives. The 12TB WD-Whites is my likely target unless the 10TB model goes on sale. These will replace my bulletproof HGST 4TB drives from 2014.
So because of the fact that BackBlaze mostly uses enterprise grade drives it makes it slightly more harder to tell which manufacturer is more reliable for consumer HDD
I feel like basing the decisions on brand should be the fallback position anyway. Brands can have wild reliability differences within their offerings. Where possible it makes much more sense to try and buy specific models that align with known reliable units. Given the relatively large number of models Backblaze lists it’s not impossible to do just that, especially if buying internal drives rather than shucking externals where the drive can sometimes be randomised.
Ultimately where possible shop based on the actual unit, not the brand itself (unless you care about other factors like warranty periods etc).
Here's my personal stats. ~15 WD drives, last return about 10 years ago. Grabbed two 8TB Seagates. 1 dead on arrival. Whirl, whirl chunk
Ugh. I must be unlucky
Yep. And that's lucky - I often have disks fail in quick succession of each other.
But do check the warranty on any that fail, may well be entitled to a free replacement.
Comment "shouldn't be shingled" confused this noob
This means, unlike some WD Reds, which are shipped with DM-SMR (Drive-Managed Shingled Magnetic Recording), these Seagate IronWolf NAS 4TB HDDs are not so diminished.
Anyone have one of these can comment on it's noise when spinning? My seagate 8TB Barracuda motor is fairly audible just spinning.
I have 4 of these, and 3 4tb WD Reds in my personal NAS. Barely audible, but the they are in a Fractal Design R5 which does a great job of dampening sound.
these hdd prices don't seem to go down. I bought a 4tb red 5 years ago for the same price.
Yep 4TB hasn't changed a whole lot. I imported 4TB HGST drives in 2014 for $194 (each are still running solid today after 24/7 use)
The most price movement is in 8, 10 and 12TB drives today. Especially if you're willing to shuck the external drives. With the dollar heading to $0.70 we should see 12TB Externals around $300 soon.
Yeah I’m waiting for a good sale to come along. Never chuck an external before but will give it a try.
I've always shopped at the other end of town buying premium drives but with HGST now all but gone and Toshiba too expensive I'm going to switch strategies and just buy externals for my Synology NAS. If I have to replace 1 or 2 along the way I'm still in front.
A good trigger point for the WD 12TB is $330 but if you're not in a hurry I think we'll see $300 in coming months.
The 10TB rarely discounts but when it does you can expect to pay ~$260 for that which might be better bang for buck in a NAS scenario.
@tyb1987: I was specifically referring to these:
12TB WD External
10TB WD External
12TB should dip below $330 on the next sale
10TB which rarely discounts should be around the $260 mark on it's next sale
WD-White inside and you need to shuck them obviously. Not for everyone.
I'm also still wondering when the right time to buy HDDs is… it feels like pricing rose since the deals of last year (no doubt due to the various events happening) but I wonder if they'll come back down again anytime soon.
Yeah this just seems like normal pre-COVID price. Aussie dollar still hasn't bounced back yet, and even then COVID will still bump up prices.
When I place the order, everything works fine except when I want to checkout, it automatically put 1% surcharge on my cart.
I dont really know whats this surcharge for?
I had this as well, it's credit card surcharge. Direct deposit is 0% surcharge
Yeah they're dodgy like that - no clear indication on their website until the last minute (assuming you pay attention to the final cost!).
Are you paying with PayPal by any chance?
Can you use a NAS drive in a desktop?
Definitely.
Yeah, it's just rated for a higher duty cycle (24x7) than a regular desktop. Ports are the same.
Awesome! Thanks guys.
I have 2 x 4TB WD Greens in an old NAS. In 6 years they have both done over 51,000 hours EACH, and only one of them has bad sectors. That seems really damn impressive to me. Could I expect a similar timeframe for these Ironwolf drives?
Not sure why my comment is not published. It is cheaper in Amazon