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Damn you know your stuff. But also Remember, even though HCQ is an antiviral, it's only effective during the early onset of the symptoms. It basically becomes useless if you're hospitalized. That's why alot of the research saying HCQ is doing more damage than good. It's not that it's doing damage rather in those studies those patients are at the late stages of infection where HCQ becomes ineffective.
Also HCQ + Zinc is the way to go.
It's not clear HCQ does anything by itself, it was originally theorised it prevented a cytokine storm via it's inflammation control, it is also however a zinc ionophore which assists getting zincy goodness to the cells for some viral murderising (pretty sure that's how it works).
The thing is, there's plenty of better, less risky zinc ionophores around. So we'll probably start seeing some tests with those soon.
There was some early suggestions vitamin C through IV could prevent cytokine storm
There have been many studies of Chloroquine and HCQ over the years. No study has found them dangerous up until this year. Why? Remdesivir is under patent and costs $1K per dose, HCQ is out of patent and costs $1 per dose. So, there is no money in it for anyone if HCQ is to be found safe and effective.
There have been hundreds of millions of doses of Chloroquine and HCQ proscribed and taken over the last 70 years. And, to my knowledge without a single death attributed directly.
As mentioned above, it is said to only work when taken early (as soon as symptoms are experienced) and taken with Zinc; much like Tamiflu with flu.
@mostlygordon: I never mentioned remdesivir and there are plenty of out of patent zinc ionophores around. Also, as mentioned above, it only works when taken with zinc because it's a zinc ionophore - go read the New York paper that touts it as useful and you'll see that.
Instead of regurgitating the youtube videos doing the rounds about how it's all a conspiracy, it's worth reading that studies show remdesivir isn't a magic bullet either. It apparently helps reduce the time spent in hospital (which, considering the cost of keeping people in hospital, saving $1000 a day makes it worthwhile) but it's not going to be sold mass market, simply because there's not enough of it, and it doesn't appear very useful outside of hospital patients. It'll make a multibillion dollar company a few million dollars at best until something better comes along, seems a lot of effort to plan and execute a global conspiracy on.
@freefall101: Sounds a bit odd to me that the more commercial drug get randomized double blind studies. The drug that some good field reports has retrospective studies based on hail mary case use that's setup to fail.
@TEER3X: I recall reading lupus sufferers are very underrepresented in Italian Covid cases. But, not really the point. If something is proven to work with randomized double blind studies, its production can be ramped up.
@TEER3X: Perhaps don't eat up the press reports. The participants were found via social media. The HCQ was mailed to them and started late. There was no medical supervision given. People were said to have Covid if they self reported a cough i.e only 3% were tested. A P of .35; really give me a break! And, no Zinc. Another laughable study…
Not saying HCQ + Zinc works yet. Only that there has not yet been a definitive study. Countries that prescribe it routinely have lower CFRs. And Lupus sufferers who take it routinely are reported to be underrepresented in Covid case numbers. So, how about having a proper study with some integrity + Zinc!
It was notable that there were no bad reactions to the HCQ despite a larger than recommended dose.
@TEER3X: Did you see the Lancet study was retracted? https://www.thelancet.com/lancet/article/s0140673620313246
HCQ does nothing, could actually kill you.
Maybe ivermectin or remdesivir could work.
Your best bet however is to check your vitamin d levels and supplement if low (like 5,000UI/day).
@melb-ourne: Haven't heard of that one. Thanks
Whoever negged me might want to do some research on the link between covid-19 and poor outcomes of those that are Vitamin D deficient. Doesn't mean those supplements will help, but can't hurt to try.
@TEER3X: I think people with darker skin need to take higher does…white people dont need that muc vit D…Generally people dont know much about this stuff.. i am in the high risk group..so have to be carefull
@TEER3X: Problem is the most vitamin d deficient people in society are old people - body can't convert sunlight as well and they spend more time inside. Correlation doesn't equal causation, you'd find similar numbers if you compared covid deaths to white hair.
@freefall101: There have been plenty of studies showing a strong link between vitamin d deficiency and respiratory illnesses.
Covid-19 articles:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200512134426.h…
https://www.ibtimes.co.in/vitamin-d-deficiency-increases-cov…
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/03/time-take-seriou…
Of course correlation doesn't always equal causation, but that's a weak argument right now.
@TEER3X: Neat, all I'd seen so far was a paper showing that something like 80% of deaths had vitamin d deficiency, but it was simply because they were super old.
Makes sense to make sure no one is vitamin d deficient anyway, definitely can't hurt.
https://covidpep.umn.edu/updates
Again, hcq does nothing. Stop regurgitating the same crap as orange turd.
Just an FYI; while zinc is crucial for immune function, high levels of zinc have been linked to weaker immune responses.
Either be sure you need this, or only take it occasionally.
Not a doc, just do a lot of (peer reviewed) reading.
Thanks Op
This one works out a few cents cheaper per tablet and is 30mg over 25mg.
https://www.amazon.com.au/NATURES-OWN-High-Strength-Zinc/dp/…
I find Cenovis at Woolies usually cheaper:
https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/460958/cen…
On special atm, $7.80 for 150 capsules at 25mg
Thanks, good spot. Although personally I would rather buy from an Aussie retailer.
Zinc helps maintain the immune system and is readily available in food like Meat,Shellfish,Veges and Nuts.Bananas are the best thing to add to that.
Now, where to find some HCQ?