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I am and have now upgraded from an i3 6100 dual core to a Ryzen 3600 6 core.
I've been wanting to build my first PC for some years, and I've only recently started looking into parts. I'm taking this as a sign to start buying parts.1 down…the rest to go :/
Ditto, got my first part for my new build, Ryzen 3600 is my first part.
How are they with after sales services? Warranty claiming through?
Replaced a damaged in shipping antec case and corsair 550 gold power supply that had a toxic smell that didnt go away after even a month (faulty burning part). no issues with service. Both under warranty and both times i was sent a return post slip that i attached to the product for free postage back to them.. this was a few years ago now so things may hav3 changed.
I had a 5700xt at the height of their problems for about a month and sent it off for an RMA through SE. They were great to deal with via email and phone.
Judging by the market, computer equipment is likely to get a lot more expensive for at least 6 months plus!
The $USD is going to tank, just like it did after the 2008 GFC. In 2010 the $AUD was buying $1.18 USD.
If you can wait 18 months, you'll be getting stuff for 50-60% of what it costs today.
If that's the case, then we can use price protection?
I'm not worried about the dollar value, I am worried that production of the components is not happening or is happening at a diminished rate, similar to what happened with the floods affecting the hard drive pricing (which is still higher post floods).
China is almost back to normal now, I guess it is only a matter of time before the shortage over Chinese New Year clears?
@Somewhat Anonymous: Depends on what's actually made in China though, a lot of manufacturing moved out of China a while back due to trade war and virus.
@[Deactivated]: many things were still made in china but shipped to other countries then passed through US customs to circumvent trade tariffs. So even though it is not "Made in China" labelled, it might still be made in China originally.
@Somewhat Anonymous: Umm no it's not. I've heard this repeated multiple times on here and whirlpool.
@w37hsyea: Do you have links to that? From what I read even Wuhan is reopening. ShenZhen has been opening up for a while now?
@Somewhat Anonymous: From a large network via wechat of people who actually live in different provinces and work in different industries. It largely remains shutdown the same as the U.S and Australia.
Floods destroyed infrastructure. That hasn't happened here. Even the death tolls won't mean massive downtime due to re-training.
But the factories are mostly automated.
We also had a competent government at that stage though.
Which will be offset by the even more incompetent government in the US.
The 2008 GFC happened largely due to the US housing market, so of course it affected their currency. This is completely different and your comment is complete made up BS.
Instead of downvoting me, explain your reasoning a bit better.
In the past 30 days the $AUD has increased 16% against the greenback.
The cause of the problems aren't really germane. It's the Fed's response to the problem. Like in 2008, they'll be pumping trillions of into the US economy (in the form of QE).
In the past 30 days the $AUD has increased 16% against the greenback.
Cherry-picking the dates, it tanked around that time and the 16% is just recovery.
1.58 - Today
1.74 - 30 days ago
1.51 - 40 days ago
Before that it's been stable between 1.40-1.50 for a year.
@KentT: No, you're the one cherry picking. You're even talking about the exchange rate a year ago as if that's germane.
I am specifically talking about the rate since the $2,000,000,000,000 USD CARE Act (corona stimulus package) was introduced on 19th March 2020.
Since its introduction in the Senate the Aussie has increased in value by 16%. Roughly.
The same thing happened post GFC. It's going to happen again, maybe even more so.
You could not be more wrong, the only reason we got out of the 08' crisis was the stimulus from China that dragged us through it when they buy our exports. And kept our dollar very high. Not going to happen this time.
There are so many factors that could affect the economy and here you are predicting AU and US economy with such confidence.
8 months ago, around $430 for 3700x..good investment..
Lexar NS100 1TB 550MB/s SATA SSD $139
^Getting $158 in cart
Also the bastards charging me $12.40 for shipping to 5km away. Off to eBay plus then!
Just bought a 3600 for $340 two weeks ago. Awesome price for this.
Very difficult to predict the future at the moment (more than usual)… but I guess I would say this is a good deal for people buying PC’s right now. I’m still hopeful that you’d be able to get better components (at least in terms of the CPU), for the same spend at the end of the year (assuming intel and AMD have both managed to launch their next generation)
the new stuff is always expensive, current gen stuff should get a discount after the new stuff launches tho
for now you can get pretty good value if you do some tinkering with the haswell xeons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PJ8bJ5vTpE
Is $169 the best price for the Trident Z RGB at the moment?
https://www.shoppingexpress.com.au/buy/g.skill-trident-z-rgb…
I would go for this if you're after rgb + it's higher speed (a bit more expensive)
https://www.saveonit.com.au/product/corsair-vengeance-rgb-pr…
3600 is the sweet spot for ryzen
Memory speeds have been Proven to not do much unless you have a faster then radion 5700 GPU
Anybody know the best Mini-ITX motherboard to pair with a 3900X?
In what case? Thermals can matter in sff cases.. With so many rumours of ryzen 4000 might be a good idea to get an x570 but they are pretty damn expensive right now lol
Yeah they are insane, looking like I might have to bite it though. Was looking at the Gigabyte GA X570. Going in a Lian Li TU150 with a Noctua NH-D15.
Chose that case as it seems still fairly small but allows that cooler.
You can get open itx cases. That's what I got with my 3900x and nhd15
You've only really got 2 choices at Mini ITX for 3900x. The Gigabyte X570 I Aorus Pro, and the Asus Rog Strix X570-I. Asus has a little better thermals, but the gigabyte is usually cheaper. They're the only ones with good enough VRMS for the 3900x. You'll want to go liquid cooling too.
r/SFFPC is a good place to check out for getting good ideas on the build though.
@cnut: If you are running it in a full size case with really good airflow- I'd say, yes absolutely, but not in mini ITX cases. I would not call it a good idea. 3900x runs very very hot.
@ONEMariachi: Is the ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming ITX TB3 model ok VRM-wise? It’s expensive, but having access to Thunderbolt 3 for ITX is a huge bonus to me so I can use 10GbE TB3 adaptors.
@skittlebrau: Yeah, that board has very good VRM's- so the 3900x will run well on it. The only issue with that one is it's a single M.2 slot with no heatsink- or much room for custom ones, and it is PCIE only, so it won't support sata M.2 drives. So be careful of that.
4000 series has been shown to work with 400 series boards
I'm struggling to find X470 board that aren't price gouged, aren't significantly delayed, get ok reviews, and have USB-C…
@algy: Yeh I was slowly planning to get nzxt h1 with X570 and 3600 or higher and a 5700xt or 2070Super… Unfortunately got stood down from work but never hurts to dream Hahaha.. The only reason I said x570 over 400s is that I didn't find too many x470 boards B450s are value for money but the main reason I mention X570 was the pcie 4 support for storage and possibly less issues if/when upgrading to 4000 series CPU… But Yeh the costs here in Aus for those parts are crazy.
The nzxt h1 was listed as $569 pre order now they are $619 or $629 … Ryzen CPU prices may come down with all these rumours but the other parts aren't due to the $ and possibly supply.
@scud70: I love that H1, don't know why they would bundle a PSU in that price range, seems silly. I keep reading bad things about B450 board support for the 3900X which is why I gave them a miss.
@algy: I would too in small cases with lack of air flow… Zrmx is on the money, saw a few good reviews of the ASRock with thunderbolt could be handy in sff builds.
If money isn't too much of a concern:
Absolute best: ASUS ROG Strix X570-I Gaming
If you want Thunderbolt 3: ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming-ITX/TB3
If your case has good airflow and want to save a bit (still good board): Gigabyte X570I Aorus Pro WiFi
So you'd strongly recommend X570?
I might just bite it and get the one you recommend as absolute best, but it's a big bite. Especially when I was expecting to only have to spend about 300…
If you want an upgrade path, which at the moment leaves only the 16-core 3950X, then yes.
3900X is pretty the highest end you'll get as a safe option for the available B450/X470 ITX boards out there (pretty much only acceptable good options are ASUS ROG Strix B450/X470-I Gaming, or MSI B450I Gaming Plus AC). With those you'll still need a case with good airflow/some cooling for the VRM.
With the X570 boards, the VRMs are a lot more solid.
I'll probably go with either the ASUS or Gigabyte, both are very solid (the Gigabyte being better value), and only the ASRock if you really really want thunderbolt 3 connection.
@zrmx: I don't see myself upgrading for a while, kept my current rig for the last 6 or 7 years, and it seems like everything has to be updated at that point. I worry about stability, I really want to not mess around with stuff, which makes the extra few hundred almost seem worth it for the X570, but I'm still not 100% convinced. They just seem overpriced.
The B450 features seem fine for me, but I keep reading bad things about compatibility with the 3900X.
@algy: B450 would be fine for most people, specifically feature wise X570 practically only brings PCIe 4.0 new, and generally B450 can handle 3900X okay in bigger cases. While able to handle 3900X, the 3900X will stress the VRM and generate heat that require cooling. Space, airflow/cooling is a luxury in SFF/ITX cases and often limited. So the preferred choice is opt for a board with better VRM that'll be able to handle the stress without heating up much, especially if your case setup has minimum airflow (e.g. tiny cases like InWin Chopin, or like when AIO water cooler is used leading to lesser airflow within the case). The VRMs of the X570 boards are often very capable of that.
Having said all the above, just read that your case and fans are "Lian Li TU150 with a Noctua NH-D15", which a few quick searches online suggest to be okay even if you go with B450, although it might need an extra 40mm fan to direct airflow to cool the VRM specifically (which means you'll need to accommodate that into the space setup inside the case). I recommend the MSI B450I Gaming Plus AC (staticice, PCPartPicker), or pretty much the only one that I'd recommend, for its solid VRM (the best among B450 ITX boards). However again, I'd only recommend it if there's good enough airflow that'll cool the VRM. You'll
The B450 definitely is the much better value option, coming in at virtually half the price of X570 options. For comparison, the Gigabyte X570I Aorus Pro WiFi is from $410.60 (depends on your location) (staticice, PCPartPicker).
Although, we're talking about SFF/ITX here, what is "value"? lol
A pretty good comparison between B450 vs X570 for ITX Ryzen form factor video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUJgrtR40uk
While the video uses different CPU (the more demanding 3950X) and boards that I'd recommend, but the discussion and conclusion holds true for whether B450 or X570.
So you'd strongly recommend X570?
It depends on what you want to do. For the overwhelming majority of users, X570 is simply not worth it. For example, you can get a reasonable B450 board for around $150, whereas an X570 board might be around $300. That's almost enough to get you from a 3600 to a 3700X or a 3700X to a 3900X.
If you had to pick between B450 + 3900X and X570 + 3700X, for instance, obviously B450 + 3900X is the more logical choice. I run a B450 board with a 3900X at 4.2 GHz, no issues at all.
@p1 ama: Any 2x 16GB ram recommendations while we're on the topic? I've been looking at:
- Crucial Ballistix 3000 MHz C15
- Patriot Viper Steel Series DDR4
Both between 200 and 250
@algy: If you're going a 3900x, it'd be a waste to go 3000mhz. At a minimum, aim for 3200mhz, but recomended would be 3600mhz.
@ONEMariachi: I was under the impression that the idea of that RAM is that is takes an overclock really easily.
If you're going a 3900x, it'd be a waste to go 3000mhz. At a minimum, aim for 3200mhz, but recomended would be 3600mhz.
You'll be able to run 3000 MHz RAM at 3200 MHz just fine. The performance gain going to 3600 MHz is questionable at best.
If you just need 16GB, yeah fair enough, get 3600 MHz, but if you need 64GB, 3600 MHz adds a lot of cost.
@p1 ama: You're definitely right, but I'd say the 3-4% increase, will get much larger as developers start taking advantage of how much Ryzen CPU's utilise speed going forward. So that 3-4% could increase quite a lot in the next 2 years. Depends entirely on how long your usual upgrade windows are. I tend to be on 4-6 years cycles myself. I know it costs a lot, but If I'm bothering with a 3900x, spending an extra $100 for 64gb at 3600mhz seems worth it to me.
@ONEMariachi: Yeah, I agree, $100 is a lot of money though. I guess it also depends on how much you want to tinker. If you just want something where you can just import the XMP profiles and know it'll work, then you can pay more.
However, I've gotten really good luck overclocking 2666 MHz and 3000 MHz kits. There's always the tradeoff with latency vs. clock, but it's not hard to learn how to OC memory. For example, I've gotten 3200 CL16 kits to run at CL14, which is arguably very similar to 3600 MHz CL16.
Literally bought the Ryzen 5 3600 2 days ago. F to pay respect.
oof
Not sure if i want to buy 3700x now or wait,
Given as in March could be had for like $430, with ebay discount, and since has gone up in price soo much
Considering the price drop (or rather; amazing temporary deals) in the 2700X when the 3000 series was released; I guess I’d be hoping for the 3700X deals to be best when the 4000 series is released. That’s my thinking.
Such high prices - qualifying as deals :(
except it is a deal
a month ago, the 3600 was going for around 315 (not on sale),
except the USD has tanked since then (now retails around ~340)
$50 off is a deal
i agree with you. Tech generally goes down over time but this time i wish I bought earlier
The posts here for the 3600 over the last few months have been $260-$290. In other words, it's a good deal relative to current price increases, and a good deal long-term, but not a "great deal" long-term in the sense of breaking new ground.
This was great timing for me but now I need a decent GPU deal.
Yeh I'm in the same boat, have been planning a build the last couple months and watched it jump in price by $500, this definitely lessens the blow somewhat.
Same here, what are you looking for?
Nooo just got the 1600af for $185 few weeks ago.
Could of spend a bit more for the 3600
Nearly 60% more!
I'm still happy with my 2600, but if you're in the market for a new build then go nuts on the 3600 combos.
If you're truckin' on a last gen CPU, don't give into the temptation in this economic climate, especially if you're team bang4buck AMD.
Anyone know if the Asus ROG Strix B450-F Gaming board needs BIOS updated for 3000 series CPU or good out of the box?
Got the exact same question.
Asus advertises it as 3000 series ready, but doesn't mention it on the shoppingexpress site.
Not sure if helps but my B450-i requires an update for 3700x
Follow up for other readers - I emailed shoppingexpress and they adviised the stock they have is "3000 series ready"
Thanks OP, ordered an AMD Ryzen 5 3600
Postage is $10.53.
Not too bad but should add it in title.
Got an R9 3900x, would the stock Wraith cooler be fine?
Yes the stock cooler is fine
I personally find the stock cooler too loud, this might or might not be that big of a concern.
Any tips on a quiet cooler? I'll be recording audio streams with a new rig. Still have to do research
I am using 1800x now with MSI x370 Gaming Pro Carbon, should I pull the trigger upgrade to 3900x? I do videos, animation and a little bit of 3D work. Thinking to go Threadripper but it is too expensive and I will need to get new motherboard and cooler.
Check bios and VRM support on that motherboard before upgrading.. the last thing you want is a FAST but unstable system that crashes on everything you do because its overheating or not able to handle the 3900x
X370 Gaming Pro Carbon is a good board. I have the X470 Gaming Pro Carbon and it runs the 3900X at 4.2 GHz just fine. I did manage to push it to 4.3 GHz, but any higher and it would crash. I dialled it back to 4.2 GHz to lower the voltage a bit.
1800X to 3900X is a huge upgrade as well, you'll probably get like 25% gains in single-threaded performance which is really noticeable.
Hey, thanks op. I've been umming and ahhing for about two weeks over the 3600 and suddenly you dropped this on me. Thanks again.
Thanks, op. Ordered 3600 + mb + ram. I hope there is no delay on shipping
Anyone thinking to buy X570, B450 , X470 boards.
Please watch this video :
https://youtu.be/ti38JS8RuPU
I watched that video and ended up buying the MSI B450 tomahwalk Max
Even though i found the MSI X470 Gaming plus cheaper.. i really wanted Bios flashback :)
Got my ryzen 5 3600 a month and a half ago for 269. Happy with it! Was a massive upgrade from my i5 4400. Can totally recommend it!
Good god, is this the moment to buy???????????????